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posted on 7-15-2017 at 02:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Oddly enough, the last time we got a heavy pro-Cena crowd was against The Rock.
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* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


There's a batshit crazy rumor floating around (and I give this a virtual zero percent chance of happening, though it would be awesome) that the big "secret" is that it will be revealed that Jason Jordan is Angle's illegitimate son, that Corey Graves knows this because of his NXT connections, and that Chad Gable latched himself into Jordan because he knew and wanted to get to use Jordan as a chance to become Angle's prot�g�. Again, I'm certain there's nothing to this but if it was done properly it could be a really fun few weeks of storytelling.





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posted on 7-15-2017 at 04:53 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There's also a rumor that the Angle story is going to be extremely similar to the AJ/Claire story in TNA, with Angle as AJ and Dixie as Claire. Oh, and this rumor supposedly comes from Eric Bischoff with inside information.





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posted on 7-15-2017 at 05:28 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Can current WWE scripting make this turn out to be as embarrassing a failure as the original AJ/Claire story was in TNA? Hmm.....







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They should just air the Paige fuck tape, with Angle's face superimposed over Brad Maddox's.





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The Dixie thing is a bit curious if true; I mean getting a legit interview is one thing for the wrestling history books; but to use her as an onscreen character is a bit baffling.

I mean good on Vince for being willing to work with any former competitor if it is good for business, but the difference between WCW and TNA is that 1) when he used Bischoff WCW was already long in ground, and 2) Bischoff was extremely front and centre in a product that was at least for a time bigger than the WWF, and had (inter) national media exposure.... TNA, not so much.... honestly I'm a big wrestling fan and for the first year or two Dixie was around I thought she was that actress off of Designing Women.

Yeah TNA isn't exactly on the same level as the WWE, but at a time when your own ratings are lagging do you want even one person to go "hey, what's this TNA thing?" I get it, most wrestling fans know at least something about TNA; as evidenced by the near instant success that guys like AJ and Joe are having; but on a move the dial, or this is a story we must tell scale I just don't see Dixie anywhere in that formula... yeah it'd be surreal for Dixie to bump into a Joe, or Styles, or Angle backstage for a little moment, but I think you're going to have more than a few audience members going who's that lady.

I'm all for them using her for the interviews, as I think any time you can get a complete sense of wrestling history together it's worth the risk to the company as in that case the greater sense of a full historical record eclipses a few people Googling TNA... and while Dixie might be on tap to record some stuff for some kind of Kurt Angle special I also fully expect that they'll grab a few sound bytes on AJ, Joe, Christian, and whomever else for the vault.

So now that we've had Sting, AJ, Joe and now (seemingly) Dixie* in the WWE is there any left out there in terms of that great white whale that you'd never figure on seeing in the WWE? I mean half the roster is full of Indy guys from a years back that we all said never in the WWE... I googled a quick list of top talent working now who haven't wrestled in the WWE and there's some names out there I've heard of (bucks, Ricchochet, Kenny Omega... ect) but aren't exactly huge names outside of Indy wrestling fans... and also guys that at this point you'd probably figure will eventually wind up in the WWE.

*Dixie is not exactly a whale in the sense that Sting was; but she ran the number 2 wrestling competition in main stream wrestling for many years, so she gets bumped up a bit.

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The last one of any (self-proclaimed) significance from the old days would be Vince Russo. I imagine it would cause a splash of some kind (mostly negative though) if he were to return to WWE in some kind of a creative capacity. He'd be about the last one though. The only other real major shock out there to maybe happen one day would be if Martha Hart finally signed off on Owen going into the HOF and allowing WWE to do the memorial DVD sets and get his matches and promos into circulation on the Network.





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Dixie would mean nothing to most fans. It would be a mixture of "Who?' and "ugh". Let's not forget that Dixie may be a nice lady, but she's really, really terrible in any sort of promo or performance capacity. She is bad at this. The one percent of the audience that would be thrilled at the forbidden allure of her participation would not be worth the pain of watching her stumble around with a microphone trying to sell the story.

I don't even know if Russo would matter now. Maybe if you pulled him around Mania, when the crowds are smark-heavy, but even his onscreen time in WCW was a LONG time ago (and again, he wasn't exactly beloved or good).





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posted on 7-15-2017 at 02:08 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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There's also a rumor that the Angle story is going to be extremely similar to the AJ/Claire story in TNA, with Angle as AJ and Dixie as Claire. Oh, and this rumor supposedly comes from Eric Bischoff with inside information.


Didn't WWE already try to rip off that god-awful angle with Daniel Bryan and Brie Bella in 2014? Considering how quickly they decided to weasel out of it, I can't imagine them trying again.

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They should just air the Paige fuck tape, with Angle's face superimposed over Brad Maddox'sthe NXT Women's Belt.



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posted on 7-16-2017 at 07:56 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Yeah TNA isn't exactly on the same level as the WWE, but at a time when your own ratings are lagging do you want even one person to go "hey, what's this TNA thing?"


I don't think they care anymore, since TNA is dead. There's this other thing called GFW now that they can pretend doesn't exist...

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So now that we've had Sting, AJ, Joe and now (seemingly) Dixie* in the WWE is there any left out there in terms of that great white whale that you'd never figure on seeing in the WWE? I mean half the roster is full of Indy guys from a years back that we all said never in the WWE... I googled a quick list of top talent working now who haven't wrestled in the WWE and there's some names out there I've heard of (bucks, Ricchochet, Kenny Omega... ect) but aren't exactly huge names outside of Indy wrestling fans... and also guys that at this point you'd probably figure will eventually wind up in the WWE.
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posted on 7-17-2017 at 12:09 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


There's a batshit crazy rumor floating around (and I give this a virtual zero percent chance of happening, though it would be awesome) that the big "secret" is that it will be revealed that Jason Jordan is Angle's illegitimate son, that Corey Graves knows this because of his NXT connections, and that Chad Gable latched himself into Jordan because he knew and wanted to get to use Jordan as a chance to become Angle's prot�g�. Again, I'm certain there's nothing to this but if it was done properly it could be a really fun few weeks of storytelling.


I'd heard the same rumor only with Gable as the son; Alpha had been conspicuously absent from TV lately (particularly Jordan).

Of course when it comes to illegitimate-child payoffs, it's hard to top the big one:







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posted on 7-17-2017 at 03:21 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
What would be a good but non-batshit crazyreveal for this story?

The way it's set up it almost has to be an over the top revelation. Ruin Kurt Angle's career and have his family leave him?

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And the plot thickens:

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World Association of Wrestling (WAW) - the promotion owned by Paige's family - have announced that their world title, previously held by Alberto El Patron, has been declared vacant.

They wrote the following:

The WAW Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship has been declared vacant at last night�s Academy Show in Costessey, following a unanimous decision by the WAW Championship Committee. The WAWCC�s decision was announced by Zak Knight but no information was revealed regarding the crowning of a new champion. Since the announcement several individuals have announced their desire to compete for the title. Both European Heavyweight Champion Robin Lekime and British Heavyweight Champion Aaron Sharp have already revealed their desire to add more gold to their repertoire, as well as former World Heavyweight Champion Brad Slayer and former European Heavyweight Champion King Kendo. With four of WAW�s top competitors already eyeing up the most prestigious title will anyone else step forward in the hope of gaining public support?

A 32 man tournament has been announced to determine a new Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion over the course of the rest of 2017 with the final taking place at Epic Studios, Norwich in December. The entrants into this tournament will be deliberated by the WAWCC over the coming weeks before brackets are announced.

Perhaps telling of their relationship at the moment, the news article from the website doesn't even mention Alberto by name.






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WWE posted a preview of the new "Table for 3" airing tonight. It features the Nation of Domination and they are surprised with gifts from The Rock.



If you remember the last time The Rock gave gifts to his fellow Nation of Domination mates, you know where this is going.

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I don't get this whole idea that WWE fans don't know anything about TNA.

Did they pop when AJ Styles came out at the Rumble. Yup.

Did they know who Samoa Joe was when he debuted in NXT. Yup.

Booby Roode. Yup.

Austin Aires? Yup.

Like, do you think that WWE fans are dumb? Or live in a vaccum-sealed bubble?





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I don't get this whole idea that WWE fans don't know anything about TNA.

Did they pop when AJ Styles came out at the Rumble. Yup.

Did they know who Samoa Joe was when he debuted in NXT. Yup.

Booby Roode. Yup.

Austin Aires? Yup.

Like, do you think that WWE fans are dumb? Or live in a vaccum-sealed bubble?


Except for AJ Styles, who was arguably the biggest non-WWE wrestler in the world at the point he showed up, all those guys debuted in NXT, which is notoriously full of die-hard superfans. I mean, half the point of sending proven commodities such as Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode and Austin Aries to NXT first is to slowly introduce them to the main-roster audience so their debuts have the appropriate, er, impact.

I mean, there's a halfway decent chance that, if WWE were to toss Dixie Carter out there as part of Kurt Angle's secret, the live crowd might pop for it. But there's a good chance the audience following at home wouldn't recognize her, and wouldn't give a crap about whatever explanation WWE gives for her involvement (since you know WWE's not just going to straight-up say she used to run TNA). And even with the live crowd, you're not going to get the reaction you'd get from a Styles or Joe, because I would endeavor to say the superfans who know and love Styles and Joe probably loathe Carter, and not in the optimal "heel heat" way.

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posted on 7-18-2017 at 03:47 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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I don't get this whole idea that WWE fans don't know anything about TNA.

Did they pop when AJ Styles came out at the Rumble. Yup.

Did they know who Samoa Joe was when he debuted in NXT. Yup.

Booby Roode. Yup.

Austin Aires? Yup.

Like, do you think that WWE fans are dumb? Or live in a vaccum-sealed bubble?


TNA doesn't really get credit for 3 out of your 4 examples because Joe, Aries, and especially Styles were names outside of that promotion before they ever went to work there. And Roode benefitted from getting to be introduced to the company through the typically smark heavy NXT crowd. I don't think it's a stretch to say if Roode had just randomly debuted on an episode of Smackdown that he wouldn't have gotten anything approaching that reception (I was at Money in the Bank and experienced the "who the fuck is this?" reaction for Mike Bennett firsthand).

I know it's fun to bash TNA for bashing TNA's sake, but in this case I think it's a fair assumption that 80-90% of the audience at any given main roster show might be aware of TNA's existence but will have little to absolutely no familiarity with the product. I'm a smart fan and I barely bother to keep up with it. Like I don't even go online and read about it unless there's a headline about them doing something exceptionally dumb. So I don't think Johnny Casualfan and his 11 year-old son in the crowd for Raw are going to be well-informed on TNA.





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posted on 7-18-2017 at 03:53 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Can Dixie credibly take credit for AJ Styles after he's been publicly critical of TNA over the way things were run there when Hogan was brought in, how their home-grown talent was pushed aside for WWE cast-offs, and that they (in his opinion) didn't bother to try very hard to re-sign him before he went to ROH/Japan? Whatever TNA did right is really long in the past and they deserved every bit of criticism for their self-destructive management that they engaged in for most of the last decade. That TNA didn't immediately improve after Dixie was no longer in charge only proves that Jeff Jarrett and Ed Nordholm are a couple of dickheads too, not that Dixie was some kind of talent-development genius.





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We've had this debate at least once before. Nothing has changed since the last one. Ccharger is on the losing side of the debate.


Closed.

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* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


There's a batshit crazy rumor floating around (and I give this a virtual zero percent chance of happening, though it would be awesome) that the big "secret" is that it will be revealed that Jason Jordan is Angle's illegitimate son, that Corey Graves knows this because of his NXT connections, and that Chad Gable latched himself into Jordan because he knew and wanted to get to use Jordan as a chance to become Angle's prot�g�. Again, I'm certain there's nothing to this but if it was done properly it could be a really fun few weeks of storytelling.
Not so batshit crazy now is it?

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Wow, just saw on the local news Shane McMahon giving an interview after the private helicopter he was in had to make an emergency landing in the water off Long Island!

He and the pilot had no injuries!

http://abc7ny.com/news/helicopter-carrying-shane-mcmahon-makes-emergency-landing/2233003/

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Wow, just saw on the local news Shane McMahon giving an interview after the private helicopter he was in had to make an emergency landing in the water off Long Island!

He and the pilot had no injuries!

http://abc7ny.com/news/helicopter-carrying-shane-mcmahon-makes-emergency-landing/2233003/


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That was all over the local news here. Good to hear that nobody got hurt.

On a side note, though:

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The OPD are now mulling over charging Paige for Battery (Domestic Violence) over the incident.

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