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posted on 3-28-2017 at 10:21 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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posted on 3-29-2017 at 12:48 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
First time in a long while that I've been excited about a Spider-Man movie.

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posted on 3-29-2017 at 05:11 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yeah, this is looking really good. After watching the new trailer, I think my interest level has gone from "eh, I'll watch it regardless because it's an MCU movie" to "damn, I'm actually kinda psyched for this now."

Also, Marvel nails it again with their casting by having Michael Keaton be the villain. Because you can't go wrong with Michael Keaton.

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posted on 3-29-2017 at 06:04 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I also love this about the Keaton casting:

Batman -> Birdman -> Vulture

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posted on 5-24-2017 at 09:06 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Sorry Tobey and Andrew, but this kid's got...well, you know.







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posted on 7-7-2017 at 02:42 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Go see this movie.

Possibly the best MCU or Spider-Man movie.

Need a 2nd viewing...damn.

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posted on 7-7-2017 at 06:05 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Concur; very well done, and just a heck of a lot of fun.

Even a nice Miles Morales nod in the movie for the super comic geeks.

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posted on 7-7-2017 at 06:13 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
How much of the film centered on Spidey and Iron Man together? Thinking that if they wanted to they should have a series of movies based on the old Marvel Team-Up concept where they can add a second hero that gets equal billing and screen time instead of just being a "guest" appearance.





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posted on 7-7-2017 at 01:08 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There's a lot of time spent on the relationship, but not a lot of actual Iron Man in the movie. Black Widow had more screen time in Winter Soldier.

And the movies are based off current thinking....if a character is needed, they show up. Cross overs just happen, no need for mini series or events.

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posted on 7-8-2017 at 02:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Best MCU movie in a while and one of the better and different origin stories as they really embrace the High School setting.
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One thing I noticed, and maybe it's something he'll develop later, is that they seem to be underplaying his spider-sense. "Karen" seemed to kind of take the place of that to an extent, so maybe they decided the Spider-sense would be too comic-bookish, or diminish the danger potential a bit too much.
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posted on 7-10-2017 at 08:23 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Very good flick. Spider-Man coming off as a legit high school nerd and not a 30 year old playing a high school nerd was done well.

Of the 15 or so "Avengers" movies I think this is in the top half, nearing the top 5. I'd put both Avengers, GoTG1, Civil War and IronMan 1 ahead of it but it's solidly in the next group.





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posted on 7-11-2017 at 05:11 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Spoilers ahead. I mean, you should assume this from the thread title, but hey...

Definitely a good movie,and I say this as a casual Spider-man fan at best. I liked the Toby ones, never saw the two that came out a few years ago, and this one was better than average. I liked much of what everyone else seems to like. The fact that they didn't spend half the movie on the origin story was my biggest "thank you" when watching it. The fact that the father of the love interest was the bad guy was a bit cheesy, but it's fine for a comic book movie.

I do like that when he knew who Spidey was, he was pretty respectful and open and honest about it all. And honestly, I could sort of see where Keaton's character was coming from. It reminded me a bit of an old 90s movie called Falling Down, where the main character was a psychotic villain, but when you saw how he got to where he was you kind of felt for him and understood where he's coming from. Keaton was a great pick for the role.

The sidekick/friend bit was fun and new for the franchise from what little I know of it, and it's not bad that the love interest fell apart. The ending was great, and seeing Pepper Potts again was neat. Overall, a fun movie, and one of the better Marvel ones.

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an old 90s movie called Falling Down



Get the motherfucking fuck off my lawn. "Old 90's movie". I swear....





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posted on 7-11-2017 at 06:43 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Haha, I was a senior in high school when the movie came out. It was like my first "date movie" on a serious level. So I say it and feel old doing so.

Ah well.

ETA: 24 year old movie now.

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posted on 7-12-2017 at 10:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Just took my nieces to see this and as it was my second time viewing it I caught a lot more stuff- I didn't want to say too much when not everyone had seen it; but here's a few easter eggs.

*A lot of Spiderman character nods: Betty Brant, the MJ one is the biggest- but you've got Ned who might be Ned Leeds; one of the Hobgoblins (doubt it, but curious why they chose that name instead of Kenny/Kong from the Ultimate-verse given the actors dimensions... although he's a more physical match for the Miles Morales Spiderman's BFF). Mac Gargan aka The Scorpion is the guy buying the weapons on the ferry- noticed a little scorpion tattoo on his neck. The Vulture's little weapons maker guy is the Tinkerer. I mentioned it above but the guy who spidey interrogates to find Tombs is Miles Morales uncle. I also caught the picture on the principals desk- which I'm guessing is a nod to him being the grandson of the Asian guy in the Howling Commandos- from Captain America. Last but not least from the name dropping- one of the girls on his trivia team is Asian and named Cindy- so maybe a Cindy Moon aka Silk reference?

*Lots of little art nods- various covers and such- probably the big one (and I had to look up the issue) is from ASM #33 when he lifts the rubble.

*Donald Glover's character has an alias of Brian Picchelli- which is the combo of Brian Michael Bendis and Sara Picchelli who created the character he is based on.

*The spidey suit at the end looks like it might be Tony's Iron Spider suit- albeit modified for the cinematic universe.

There was a lot of stuff in there, so I'm sure I missed some.

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posted on 7-13-2017 at 07:22 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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A lot of Spiderman character nods: Betty Brant, the MJ one is the biggest


Is the MJ one a nod, or a troll of the folks who were freaking out that they had cast a non-white, non-redhead to play Mary Jane. I kinda think it's trolling the folks who over reacted more than anything else.

As for the picture in the principal's office...it's actually a picture of himself. Well, of the actor at least as the principle was played by the guy who was in the Howling Commandos. So yeah, I'm fairly certain they were going for the Grandson angle.

Which would also explain why the gym teacher HAD to show the Cap videos.

Speaking of...HOLY FUCK< HOW HAVE WE NOT TALKED ABOUT CAPS MULTIPLE SCENES!!! Just amazing, and the best "we've ran out of things to tease that won't spoil other movies" end credit scenes.

It's kinda funny how Marvel has conditioned the audience to expect a teaser for something upcoming, only to find themselves in a situation where they can't even release the name of the 4th Avengers movie without spoiling the 3rd one before it's release.

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posted on 7-14-2017 at 06:48 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
It's funny as I was thinking it was the same guy, but then my internal white guilt monologue kicked in and said "hey now, all Asian's don't look alike", so I kind of talked myself out of it and was just too lazy to look it up... so thanks for the fact check BFG!

I don't know... I think it's MJ- I just think they wanted to swerve (amazing how wrestling lexicon has seeped into my thinking process) with the Michelle name... I mean I guess we'll know a bit more by the time we get another Spider-Man, and since they've kind of said that the pace they are looking at is akin to Harry Potter where each movie equals one year, it's probably a long time before we'd have to worry about it... You could also point to the last ten year or so of comics where Marvel has erased Peter and MJ's marriage (I think she's kicking it over in Iron man last we saw her) and in the Ultimate verse they were pretty off and on and I think Kitty Pryde became his main squeeze... so long story short, just because MJ is (or isn't) in this go around with Spider-man, doesn't mean her and Peter are going to be a thing.

The Cap stuff was hilarious- especially when the gym teacher was on the wrong side of the TV for that little bit they did... dug the post-credit scene as well.

One other little Easter egg they threw in there was that one of the sounds was done by Eugene Thompson; which is of course Flash's real name.

Just out of curiosity and to take this thread in a different direction; in honour of them NOT doing another origin story for the first movie; is there anything you'd want to see, or not want to see in future instalments?

I personally would like to see them leave the Green Goblin off the table... love the character, but let's figure on Spider-Man having maybe a 3-5 picture life span for this go around... I just think we've gotten enough of him directly, or indirectly overshadowing all five prior Spidey movies before this one.

I'd love to see them use Scorpion, and Rhino getting a fuller treatment would be cool. Hobgoblin would be a cool looking visual... but the danger of him becoming a Green Goblin substitute would be tough. Kraven and Chameleon could be well done and work well for a movie.

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posted on 7-14-2017 at 12:32 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Saw this last night with my son for his Birthday, and let me say that we all liked it. The references to the comics were awesome.

My first thought after the credits started to roll, "Is this your first Marvel movie?" Because about 75% of the theater left as soon as the Ramones started playing. Like WTF?

Second, the Vulture being Liz's dad was a surprise that my wife and I did not see coming, maybe we were just enjoying the movie and not thinking about it, but we enjoyed the swerve, plus having him figure out who Peter was all within a few minutes was much better than a pair of glasses hiding your identity for years.

Third, What I would like to see is some cross over with Marvel Netflix Universe, either Kingpin or Matt Murdock popping up.





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posted on 7-16-2017 at 03:19 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
OOMike beat me to it with the inclusion of Kingpin and Daredevil.

Besides that, I'd like to see more of the rogues gallery spared for future movies. Sinister Six would be fun and it'd be absolutely badass to see a Venom possessed Spidey absolutely wreck several villians in a row.

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posted on 7-16-2017 at 04:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
You know, something a friend of mine brought up in a rant about how bad the movie was that actually was a really valid point: Where's his spidey sense? I didn't realize it while watching the movie, but he doesn't have it. And that's kinda weird, as it's one of the core powers of every incarnation of Spider-Man that I can think of.
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posted on 7-16-2017 at 04:19 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Maybe with "Karen" kind of being there they wanted to ground his powers a bit- I mean he's also no where near as strong as he is in the comics too. I guess you could have re-written several scenes in the movie to incorporate his spidey sense- but just kind of going through a mental check list of a lot of stuff that happened in the movie you would have either had to add a bunch of exposition to explain it, or do it completely different.

I think "Karen" will ultimately take the place of his spidey sense, but they could also have him develop his powers further as he gets older and more experienced.

ETA: Just a did a quick google on the topic and there are a few quotes out there from the movie's higher ups: basically they wanted to focus on stuff you haven't seen thus far; and the Spidey sense played a big part of the other movies. They aren't ruling it out for future movies, but want to think of a different take on it- maybe make it more internal, or second nature that he develops as he goes along.

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posted on 7-19-2017 at 11:44 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Saw this on Monday night and really liked it a lot. I think the MCU movie I'd most compare it to is Ant-Man, just because I found the more humorous tone and smaller-scale/underdog hero story of Homecoming to be in the same vein. And I'm not sure yet if it'd crack my MCU top five, but it's pretty close (and easily in the top ten). Some random thoughts:

-I like how they tied in the origin of the Vulture (and really, most of the events of the movie) into the first Avengers. Seeing as how Spider-Man and his supporting cast are big time latecomers to the MCU, it helped make everything seem more connected to previous events.

-Speaking of the Vulture, it seems he somewhat took the place of Green Goblin/Norman Osborn here as Spidey's arch-nemesis. But I thought Michael Keaton was great in the role, so I don't hate it. Also, I thought it was a really nice (if improbable) swerve that he was Liz's father; when he answered the door when Peter went to pick her up, my first thought was "oh shit, he knows Peter is Spider-Man and he's kidnapped Liz and her family." But when it turned out he was just her father, having no idea he was opening the door for Spider-Man, I thought "well played."

-Okay, last thing on the Vulture: I was really hoping for an Iron Man/Vulture tussle, because that would have been badass, but I totally get why they didn't do that, since this is a Spider-Man movie.

-The Captain America videos, including the 4th wall-breaking end credits scene, were awesome. There weren't a ton of people in the theater where my wife and I watched the movie, but we were all cracking up at Cap's amazingly cheesy vids. And I loved the gym coach saying something to the effect of "I think he's a fugitive now, but I'm legally required to show this video, so whatever."

-I'll definitely be interested to see where they go with the sequel, as there's any number of possibilities (especially in a post-Infinity War MCU). If they somehow get Daredevil or Kingpin to show up, even for a cameo, that would be amazing.

-Gwyneth Paltrow wouldn't normally rank in my "top ten hottest actresses" list, but holy shit did she look good during her cameo at the end of the movie. And Marisa Tomei still being smoking hot at age 52? 'Nuff said.

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