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posted on 12-26-2016 at 10:17 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Alien: Covenant

I'll see it eventually butt my anus is still pretty tattered and torn from that piece of shit 'Prometheus', of which this new film is its direct sequel and supposedly lands us proximate to the beginning of the original 'Alien'. And instead of getting hit-or-miss yet technically adept Neill Blomkamp's proposed direct sequel to 'Aliens' with a returning Sigourney Weaver as 'Ripley' and Michael Biehn as 'Hicks', we get this...







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posted on 12-26-2016 at 04:17 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
There really hasn't been a good Alien movie imo since the second one. All the rest (including the Predator crossovers) have alternated between being mediocre at best to simply a steaming pile of dogshit.

I guess what I'm saying is that I have no interest in seeing this movie. It doesn't mean I won't randomly NetFlix it two years from now. But I wouldn't bet on it, either.

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I kind of want to go back and watch Prometheus again as "just" a movie, free from the hype of seeing it as "Ridley Scott's triumphant return to the Alien franchise he kicked off"... 'cause the reality is that it wasn't that; walking out of the movie theatre me and a buddy were just kind of left scratching our collective heads wondering what we just saw (Run sideways stupid still springs to mind)... it wasn't even necessarily an Alien movie... but now, however many years later I'm a bit curious to watch it again and see if it might be a good movie on its own.

I think the thing with the Aliens movies is that they take place in space, feature aliens... but each one is kind of it's own entity, and that might be why it's been hard to find that perfect formula for meeting everyone's expectations; Alien was all about the unseen horror, Aliens the very much seen Xenomorphs in a balls to the wall action movie... Alien 3... well, hard to tell what exactly that one was due to the massive amounts of studio interference and leaked scripts before hand probably meant no matter what we got was going to be DOA... in saying that what did wind up on screen did have some interesting moments to it; I think it tried to be cerebral with the meditations on redemptions, God, and of course the alien representing a demon of sorts... it may not have entirely worked in the end, but go back and watch it and there is no shortage of ideas in there... and of course Alien: Resurrection... another one that could have been something; Joss Whedon's signature rag tag crew of space-misfits facing long odds in the face of mad science and an oppressive military regime (sound familiar Firefly fans?)... free from the spot light I didn't dislike this one as much as I once walked out theatre shaking my head about... it's not great, and definitely goes to some really weird stuff by the ending, but there's some fun stuff in there.

Geez, starting to feel like I'm over-defending the movies... Alien and Aliens are great movies... the others are disposable, but not outright offensive... heck, I even enjoyed the Aliens vs Predator movies... the first was better than the second with the remote Antarctica location, the who hunting preserve melding of the two franchises was clever... I think where the second went wrong was trying too hard to throw various ties to the other movies into it... it worked in the first movie, but by the second it was anvilcilious at times...

I don't like the trailer for this new one... it's like where is it going from the last one being sandwiched into yeah we know you were passed there were no Xenomorphs in the first one, so here's a bunch of stuff... I'll see it, probably walk out complaining about various aspects of it, and be right back on here in a few years time musing about watching it again with a more open mind as I gear up for Alien vs Predator vs The Thing vs ET vs Alien Nation...

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posted on 12-27-2016 at 01:27 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
All you learn from watching Prometheus again is that almost every single human in it was a choad that needed to be killed by monsters. Looks like Scott just can't overcome the trope of making the ship crews a bunch of loudmouths, jackasses, or morons so stupid that you actively want to see them get wiped out by slimy aliens with all kinds of sharp pointies on their digits. Aside from advancing the overall development of the Aliens universe some more, the highlight looks like it'll be two Fassbender-class sexy androids either fighting each other or teaming up together to make sure even more humans get slaughtered. Two Scott movies per year is highly unusual so it could be a case of all his good stuff ends up in Blade Runner 2049 whilst Aliens gets afflicted by another wally-squad dose of characterization.

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You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 1-12-2017 at 11:19 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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All you learn from watching Prometheus again is that almost every single human in it was a choad that needed to be killed by monsters. Looks like Scott just can't overcome the trope of making the ship crews a bunch of loudmouths, jackasses, or morons so stupid that you actively want to see them get wiped out by slimy aliens with all kinds of sharp pointies on their digits.



Maybe he figures he can fix it by adding two guys in James Franco and Danny McBride who specialize in playing the loudmouths, jackasses, and morons. I'm not really being sarcastic, either: McBride plays a dumb asshole as well as anyone to the point where him, in a horror movie, might actually work wonders to making parts of the crew relatable.

Or he goes the route he did in "This is the End", quits the crew, goes out and decides to start his own team with the aliens.





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posted on 1-13-2017 at 01:21 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
He can repeat the catamite scene from This Is The End, with sexy Fassbender instead of sexy Tatum, where the David/Walter bot says "I have to let him or he'll let the xenomorphs play with me".





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 1-13-2017 at 02:42 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I could see him walking him on a leash and saying "I call him Assbender."





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Fassbender deserves it anyway for ASSASSin's Creed.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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I still thinks it's lame that the Xenomorphs went from uncontrollable forces of nature, fucking any species that tried to experiment with them to bio-engineered accidents. The idea that they were a primitive but destructive terror that more advanced beings had to be weary of is so much coooler than the strings of science gone wrong events.

Anway, making a better film than Prometheus shouldn't be that hard. If you're going to idiots as main characters then give them a background that justifies. The guys in Aliens were just cargo workers who were dealing with something above their pay grade making their mistakes understanable. The Prometheus crew on the other hand were highly trained scientists making their mistakes annoying.

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posted on 1-15-2017 at 09:17 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
While we're on this subject, just curious where everyone stands on Alien vs Aliens? I'm of the mind that Aliens is an amazing film in it's own right, but I prefer Alien; give me the solitude and creepiness of the original over the balls-out action explosion of James Cameron's sequel any day! Plus I'm still not sure how I feel about the "there's a queen who lays eggs" idea that was introduced in Aliens, even if the alien queen looks fucking awesome and terrifying.

With that said, there's no real wrong answer here.

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I think the Alien vs Aliens question is a tough one as in a lot of ways they are going for almost completely different genres; Alien is about the unseen horror, the solitude of space, and encountering the unknown whereas Aliens is very much about seeing the horror coming at you, and co-operating to beat an insurmountable enemy. In saying that they both feature some commentary on human greed, and a dark worn down used future... plus the whole hostile terrain/cold of space thing.

I think I like Aliens a bit more... the excitement level makes it a bit more appealing, and I think the characters are strong. Starting with Ripley in Alien she is a bit more of the typical horror female lead archetype... reacting to a situation, on the run from one scare to the next trying to escape the unseen horror. By Aliens Ripley starts to change... she's faced the horror and survived, but in the start she's still running... by the end of the movie she's emerged into one of the first, and maybe most enduring Hollywood strong female characters.

It's a tough question, and both have their merits... I mean you couldn't have Aliens without Alien, which in some ways gives the edge to Alien for the world building it started (and for being a great movie)... but I think Alien is a horror (Sci-Fi horror) movie and there are other horror movies I like more (even with a Sci-Fi slant)... but Aliens remains maybe one of the greatest action movies of all time.

Sticking to a general Aliens franchise thread I saw some re-solicitations for an old Dark Horse Aliens graphic novels which were published prior to Alien 3, and were a direct continuation from Aliens... they largely featured Hicks and Newt, and tackled the long rumoured Aliens on Earth story that has floated around (Joss Whedon's Alien 4 script was supposed to end on Earth)... Alien 3 kind of put the kibosh on it by killing off the two characters so later printings of the books changed the characters names to keep the stories somewhat relevant. Bonus, it features a bit more on the "builder" or "seeders" aliens that formed the basis of Prometheus.

Not the greatest, but still pretty good and worth checking out if you are a huge fan of Aliens.



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posted on 1-18-2017 at 11:35 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
So with all of the alien talk I had to go on a bit of a binge...

In watching Aliens (extended cut) there is a line in there that I had never quite noticed before; it's when the various executives and others are grilling her when one says that the Nostromo when adjusted to todays dollars would cost $42 million dollars...

Now I'm sure they were thinking that back in 1986 that if they said something like $1 billion dollars or some other monstrous number the audience would just think that this was far too outlandish and unrealistic... even for a movie set in the future, in space, with space aliens... the thing is, the movie cost $18 million to make in 1986, and grossed $180 million per Wikipedia, and I did some comparisons (it's late, I'm really bored) to what a big ass naval aircraft carrier ship would cost... in 1975 the USS Nimitz (currently the oldest service ship in the fleet) was built for $106.5.... So that $42 million number seems suspiciously low.... then it dawned on me... there must have been some kind of wide spread economic collapse or all this space mining and terraforming has resulted in some kind of surge in raw goods and materials which in turn lead to massive deflation... this would seem to be supported by Burke's comment to Ripley later in the movie about how sneaking an alien back onto earth could make them millions.

ETA: I did a bit of Googling and it would appear I'm not the only one who latched onto that monetary anomaly... and it get's weirder as apparently there is a line in Prometheus which states that this trip is costing the company trillions... so if Prometheus takes place like what.. 5, 10 years before Alien, and Aliens takes place 57 years later it would appear that in the intervening years there was some kind of universe spanning economic deflation.

Another weird throw away line is when Hudson asks if this is going to be another bug hunt, or a stand up fight... now "bug hunt" might just be a slang term for something else, but given that they have space-marines it may also suggest that there are other alien species out there (some other reading I've done also pokes some comments about the whole quarantine procedure they have in Alien, and the existence of a the ICC mentioned in Aliens which monitors for biological materials coming into the planet)... so throw away line or a suggestion of something bigger happening in the universe...

There might be something bigger going on... now that I'm thinking about it you also have the line from Gorman about having done 38 drops to which Vasquez asks how many where combat drops (so the 38 didn't shock her, more that a tool like Gorman might be that experienced) to which he responds with a measly 2 including this one... So just what are all of these combat drops the space marines are doing? I mean the space marines could be doing mundane things like inter-company border skirmishes, or space piracy that kind of stuff.. but there is another line I caught about Arkturian poontang right after all the marines wake up... now maybe Arkturia (?) is just a well known pleasure planet or something, but with the bug comment and all their combat experience maybe the movie was suggesting a bit of a bigger universe? Let's now forget that in Alien the message form the company to the Nostromo is to investigate the life-form... Prometheus tells us they already knew, but we didn't find that out until 30 some odd years later... so who knows what the next movie might reveal

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So just what are all of these combat drops the space marines are doing? I mean the space marines could be doing mundane things like inter-company border skirmishes, or space piracy that kind of stuff


It's been a while since I've watched Aliens, but I did always wonder what exactly the space marines deal was. Even just the term "space marine" conjures up images of something like Starship Troopers, but it's never really conveyed in the Alien series that there's any sort of hostile alien threat(s) out there in the galaxy that the space marines are constantly fighting. So when they're not getting slaughtered by aliens on LV-426, what exactly is the job of a space marine?

Of course, there are a bunch of Alien novels and comic books, so maybe this has been further explored in those.

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The grunts were bitching about going on another "bug hunt" before the dropship left the Sulacco so the assumption would be that on other colony worlds there's native wildlife that they need to protect the colonists from. Probably no where near as dangerous as the Xenomorphs turned out to be but probably significant enough to need some kind of military organization to provide the security. That and, as with most sci-fi works, some of the colonies probably revolt every once in a while against the heavy hand of Earth/Weyland-Yutani and the Marines get sent in on rebellion pacification assignments.





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I think they have touched on some other stuff in the comics... I mean comics and novels wise the aliens and predators do exist in the same universe, and we know from Alien/Prometheus that there are for sure other aliens out there... I think they even did a video game not so long ago where the space marines were kind of caught in the mid
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I imagine they could ret-con it, with Aliens happening a significant number of years after the events of Prometheus/Covenant, so the existence of the Marines is a standing military response to the threat posed by the Engineers.





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So I was watching Aliens again last night (I'll sometimes watch a movie like this a few times in a short spell... kind of throw it on while I'm going to sleep for noise to keep the bad thoughts away, lol) and I noticed a couple of additional random things...

*The Sulaco has some massive guns on it, which kind of in story supports the idea that war or military action is very much a thing in the future. Speaking of the ship, that is a massive ship for what... 15-20 people? I mean in the world of Aliens we've already kind of established that these ships kind of self-pilot, so it makes you kind of wonder why they are so god damned big when you wouldn't quite need the same support crew... I mean makes sense if your are taking a whole brigade into action, but you would think hey let's save on gas and maybe take a smaller ship... although maybe the thinking was that they might be off loading a lot of survivors as well? Just a funny thing, I'm sure the real world answer is because it looked cool.

Gotta love Wikipedia... apparently they published a technical manual for Aliens at some point, and someone took the time to write up an article on the Sulaco.. some neat stuff in there about the history of the ships name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulaco_(fictional_spacecraft)

*The wings on the drop ship that unfold are purely weapons arms... I mean yeah we know from the end that the ship can hover and do vertical take offs, but I just noticed that the "wings" don't unfold evenly, they are kind of stacked in front of one another to make room for the buttload of missiles at the ends of the wings.

*The USA still appears to be around... all the soldiers have American flags on their shoulders... it's hard to tell but it does not appear that the U.S. has added any more states in the next couple hundred years. Actually did a bit of digging into this... apparently Prometheus states that it is set in 2093-2094 per some onscreen stuff, so it would make sense that we aren't operating under some utopian one world government, and might also help make sense of why there would even be space marines... it's not so far into the future that people aren't still dicks that fight over everything (IE in Aliens extended cut there's some stuff with Newt's parents wondering about a company honouring their claim, and based on some other comments it would appear space travel has been somewhat privatized). Not sure where they got the date, but it looks like Alien is set bout 20 or so years after Prometheus, and then Aliens directly says Ripley was floating around for 57 years, and then you kind of get the sense that she was left twisting by the company for a year or two before the colony went offline...

*Definitely a bit of a Christ aspect to Ripley... this was very on the nose in Alien 3 right down to her assuming the cross position as she sacrifices herself, but you can find a lot of other stuff... in Aliens you could say she's kind of upsetting the money changers, she's surrounded by marines/apostles, she's betrayed by one of her allies, in Alien 4 she's resurrected... hell, you could even say that the whole lost in space was her kind of lost in the wilderness moment.. She's tempted by Burke but rebukes him... ect, geez I miss my university film class sometimes, I would've loved to have written a paper on this instead... although ripping into Rear Window was kinda neat.

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I'm totally fucking pumped for this. I believe they are trying to right the wrong of Aliens 4 and the AVP disasters.

Also, Prometheus is pretty great in it's own weird flawed way. It could've been better, but I digress. It was seriously fun at times and holy shit that final leg is insanity.

Interesting takes on the money side of it all. Cameron is a damn genius and I would bet any amount of money that he was was hinting at a huge economic downturn.

And yes, that marines have seen a shit load of action leading into Aliens. It's clear simply based on their banter early in the movie, that they killed lots of shit and never had much resistance. Sounds like probably alien life forms that are primitive and easily killed. Nothing like the xenomorphs.

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I've never quite gotten the hate for the AVP movies; the second was definitely the poorer of the two, but I thought for as far as crossing over two franchises goes the first one kind of scratched that itch quite well. It had an interesting back story as to why these two species were interacting, the female lead was decent, and the movies helped fit enough of a explanation as to why aliens aren't known to humans in the future, and was a fresh looking locale for the movie to unfold in (other than White Out and the Thing I can't think of too many Antarctica based movies).

I think where the first one fell down was (and I'm betting it was a studio call) was the short run time... it made most of the characters kinda flat and too disposable to the point that when pretty much everyone bit the dust you couldn't care less. They took some time to build to some action, but without any emotional investment in it it's not all that memorable. The teaser ending with the hybrid was a nice closing touch though, although you kinda see it coming from earlier in the movie... although it did set the second AVP up quite well, but that's about all the second movie did well.

Overall for a series that's now what... 8 movies deep, there's really only maybe two great ones in there with the rest ranking from "meh" to fun.

Unrelated note, but I'm watching Event Horizon now and in the opening history of the future blurbs they do they say in 2015 the first permanent lunar colony was created... I guess looking forward from 1997 when the film was made, and you had all the burgeoning excitement of the Mars missions a lunar colony 18 years in the future probably didn't seem too fantastic... ditto for Blade Runner (set in 2019), Back to the Future PT 2 (2015 I think?), and of course Judgement day seems to kinda floated between 2004 and 2029... so it could still come to pass, lol. Long story short, I feel really damn old with the once far off future of yesteryear being now... I probably won't make it to the 2090's that Prometheus is set in, but my nieces and nephew will more than likely... by the same token I think I read something about how the last known surviving WWI soldier passed away this year... the start of WWI was now over 100 years ago; when I was a kid there was a still a reverence for the survivors of the great wars because they were still part of our lives.... now it's slowly fading to the domain of solely resting in the history books.

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I think where the first one fell down was (and I'm betting it was a studio call) was...


It fell short because it was a bad movie. For starters it was PG13. WHY?! Studio of course. The whole fucking thing was ruined by the studio and their belief that an R rating would have hurt it. ALL of the previous movies were R and they were so because that's the only way to deal with the subject matter correctly. Also the direction wreaked of mid-2000s schlock. There is a "bullet time" shot of a facehugger leaping.... oh fuck off, Hollywood. This pretty much summed up everything that was wrong with the film in one shot. It ruins everything that is visceral with the facehugger, as if the crew didn't understand anything we learned in Alien or Aliens.



And don't get me started on AVP2. It's not just the worst of the entire group of films, it's one of the worst movies I've seen in the theater.

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Overall for a series that's now what... 8 movies deep, there's really only maybe two great ones in there with the rest ranking from "meh" to fun.


Alien, Aliens, and Predator are all iconic films. Alien 3 was a nice bookend to the xenomorphs (and in retrospect actually pretty damn good), but they ruined that with 4. Predator 2 is stupid and fun and worth watching. Predators almost.... almost achieved greatness but fucked up with it's need to be creative and have swerves that didn't need to be there. AVP is shit. AVP2 is shit covered in piss, blood, and jizz and shot onto a film screen by monkeys that are actively butt fucking each other.

Yes, I have strong feelings of this. Aliens is literally my favorite action movie of all time, and Predator (and Robocop) are in the mix as well.

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posted on 2-23-2017 at 06:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Some kind of prologue footage released today.



I already want everyone except for the Fassbender-bot to die.





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I've never quite gotten the hate for the AVP movies; the second was definitely the poorer of the two, but I thought for as far as crossing over two franchises goes the first one kind of scratched that itch quite well.


Well, I can explain it, at least for me. I actually saw the first AvP in the theater. And I didn't hate it. But it had the same problem Freddy vs Jason had in that the movies had too much time devoted to humans that nobody went to the theater to give a shit about.

I get it, there has to be humans and that's fine. But they missed out on giving me what I paid money to see and replaced it with human drama tomfoolery that I didn't really care about.

For what it's worth, I thought the AvP crossover novels were far better.

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If there's a innate problem with the Aliens franchise it's this: they're really not sci-fi movies, they're horror movies. In sci-fi no one really ever acts like a dumb-fuck retard, does the dumbest thing possible at the dumbest moment possible, or loses complete control of themselves and runs around in sheer panic to get picked off one by one. That's the way the designated victims behave in horror movies, which means that in pretty much all the Aliens films (even the good ones) are horror films with a sci-fi veneer covering them.

If Star Trek ever met the xenomorphs they'd lose a handful of red-shirts to them but by the end of the episode Kirk & Spock or Picard & Data would either have killed them all, rendered them harmless through some kind of trickery, or learned to talk to them. That's what happens when the writers who create the characters invent ones that approximate actual thinking people as opposed to goof-ball or asshole cannon fodder that people want to see getting gutted by a creature that's basically a walking bundle of barbed wire.

Don't get me wrong. I like most of the Aliens movies. They're a great no-brainer no-stress time killer. I just can't treat them with any of the seriousness that the film-makers and advertising wants me to, not when almost all the humans in these movies are forgettable caricatures and not compelling characters.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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Welp, here's your horror aspects...agayn. I'm glad my congenital retardation didn't prevent me from wondering why there was human made wheat front and center on some distant planet and was immediately acknowledged by our future NuAlien fodder. Hopefully Ridders learnt his lesson from The Dumb that cancered up Prometheus. Game on, man, game on!





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Well, at least the marketing for these films remains top-notch. Be nice if it carries over to the actual film but, oh well.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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