DBMacJericho
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2.24.11 HUGE Announcement Showdown: Jericho vs. Mistico
So, apparently Chris Jericho is set to make a major announcement that is supposed to shock the world later today in LA. I've been reading that
it's likely going to be the announcement that he's going to be joining up with "Dancing With The Stars" but I'm really holding out
hope that doesn't happen for a couple reasons. One, that show is obviously fuckin' stupid and I will NOT contribute to it's peculiar
popularity. And two, it means that he wouldn't be able to possibly return to the WWE until late this summer.
Has anybody else read about this announcement possibly being anything other than some dancing bullshit? I sure hope so...
[Edited on 2-25-2011 by OORick]
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DudeLove721
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Read about an interview he did that mentioned something about Fozzy playing some big festivals this summer but I dunno. If he does DWTS I can't
really fault him, I mean that's extra mainstream exposure for him that would also translate to exposure for Fozzy. While I'd much rather
he be in the WWE, I can't fault the guy for wanting success outside of the ring too.
Plus, knowing Vince's hard on for mainstream exposure, being on DWTS would probably make Jericho a more valuable commodity to the WWE in the
future.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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Can't be DWTS because their cast announcement is next week and nobody is allowed to announce beforehand. Not saying he can't be on it, but
that can't be the announcement. However if he was on DWTS I don't think he'd do well as he's pretty heavy on his feet.
Jericho says there is no point in coming back now given Rock, Taker and HHH all came back and he'd just be another guy returning and lost in the
hype shuffle.
I could see he tour the summer festival scene with Fozzy and then maybe come back in the fall.
He also said if he comes back it will be a different character again as he thinks too many heels are doing the silent brooding type now (he thinks
when he did it it was groundbreaking).
I'd like to see somebody do a Pillman-esque Loose Cannon gimmick.
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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DudeLove721
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You know, I've gotta give Jericho credit. He could easily rest on his laurels and still be popular doing his original WWE shtick/character but
he keeps changing his character each time he comes back. I find it commendable that he would continue to challenge himself like that when so many
wrestlers are comfortable doing the bare minimum once they've made it to the main event level.
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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DBMacJericho
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| posted on 2-24-2011 at 10:23 PM |
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Good point, DudeLove. I'm kind of curious to see what sort of character he comes up with if he does decide to return. How many more different
kind of characters can their possibly be in wrestling?
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Joeldacat
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... and he's hosting some award show for VH1 Classic. Whoop-dee-doo!
This warrants no more than a DevSop length reply.
X-Box Live: Mr Whale Jr. Message me who you are, though!
When the plane full of wrestlers crashed in the Arctic, he became known as "Nourishing" Rick Rude.
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DBMacJericho
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| posted on 2-24-2011 at 10:29 PM |
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I think that Chris Jericho needs to think really hard about using the word major next time. Or shocking for that matter. This announcement is neither
major or shocking or interesting. Who the fuck even watches VH1 Classic?
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OORick
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| posted on 2-24-2011 at 10:58 PM |
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Who watches VH-1 Classic? Me~!
Maybe not "watch" it all that regularly, but it's easily the better of the two VH-1s, as you might actually stumble across something that
actually rocks on there.
That said, as far as Jericho's announcement goes, I either already knew that, or the "Golden God" Awards is an annual thing, and Jericho
hosted it last year. I don't know which of the two it is, but this is NOT the first time I've been informed that Jericho and that awards
show belong in the same sentence.
Sorry: I love ya, Jericho, but even I (noted WWE-critc and indie/international wanker-hater) thing your huge announcement deserves zero press in favor
of emphasizing WWE's huge announcement... you know, the one where they signed Mistico and renamed him Sin Rostra (so that they now have a "Two
Face" and a "No Face" on the roster, both hailing from Mexico), and I barely stifled a yawn, as I await the day he actually -- you know? -- shows
up on TV and starts doing something worthwhile.
But I digress...
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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If Dos Caras is "Two Face" how can Sin Rostro be "No Face", wouldn't that be Sin Caras? So Caras and Rostro both mean "face"?
Either way, I'm not feeling that name at all. I mean this is a MAJOR branding decision for Mistico and that's all he can come up with.
Rey Mysterio is "King of Mystery" and now we have "Without a face/Faceless", and "Two Faces"...
Either way I don't think it will matter in that I don't think Mistico will last long in the wwe. He thinks that since he was big shit in
Mexico and Alberto Del Rio was a midcard act, that he should automatically be ahead of ADR and a top guy.
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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nobledictator
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Since he got kicked in the skull he could do something where he is slowly forgetting things, like holds and what not, who people are etc. But maybe
it comes and goes. He is of course in total denial.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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Wwe is announcing Mistico as Sin Cara - No Face. I wonder if Sin Rostro was used at first and they found there was already a trademark, or if
somebody heard the translation being "No Face" and when they re-translated it it became "Sin Rostra"
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/sincarajoinswwe
I wonder what Hunico feels about this, being in FCW for a year and Sin Cara going straight to the main roster.
I think the wwe probably should have paid for the Mistico name and trademark silver mask.
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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nobledictator
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Sounds like this dude will debut on Smackdown
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DBMacJericho
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You make a valid point there, Rick. VH-1 Regular plays nothing but the most horrible of reality/dating shows all day long. Kind of like E! does, come
to think of it. Anyhow, I don't have VH-1 Classic as Comcast seems to think that channel belongs in a more expensive package, but would I be
correct in assuming that mostly music videos, Storytellers, and the occasional episode of Pop-Up Video is what they play?
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by DBMacJericho]
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knuckleballschwartz
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quote:
Originally posted by nobledictator
Sounds like this dude will debut on Smackdown
I'm thinking he debuts at wrestlemania, wins MITB and then lines up on SD to make a big deal of stalking the (by then) heavyweight champion ADR
playing up some sort of history between them.
ETA that by makes a "big deal of stalking" I really mean "gives a couple of promos in respect of ADR before cashing in his shot at the next PPV and
losing".
[Edited on 2-24-2011 by knuckleballschwartz]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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Considering Alberto Del Rio doesn't like that another Mexican wrestler was brought in as he wants to be the next Mexican Superstar, I wonder if
Mistico is rubbing it in his face by calling himself Sin Cara, given ADR is Dos Caras in Mexico. Mistico is "No Face" and ADR was "Two Faces"...
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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The Immolator
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Hmmmm...
As a part-time lurker and someone who's only paid attention here and there since 2005, I'm going to risk an observation.
What the WWE does is something different from every other wrestling promotion. It is heavily TV-based. Anyone who works for them has to learn how to
work their specific, TV-friendly style, which I suspect from my limited experience (never worked with them, only with people who have) is
substantially different from wrestling live, or even anyone else's TV style. Some people are naturally better suited for TV than in-arena, or at
least might need more training, aside from their technical wrestling skills.
I chime in only because I'm reminded of this dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Evans_%28actor%29
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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I think it was in one of Mick Foley's books that he talked about that to some extent. Basically when you're wrestling in an arena with no
television you're selling to the people in the back row, so you don't have to work as tight, but you really have to oversell everything to
make sure the people in the back can tell what is going on - oversell punches, slams etc, as well as facials. However when you work television
it's much different as you got to work much tighter as the camera being so close will see if you're pulling your punches too much and
missing etc. Also you don't have to oversell for the back row because it looks phony as hell to the zoom lense of the camera.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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OORick
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Wow. For a thread with this title, it sure contains a TON of off-topic (yet highly informative) material.
May I, for a moment, direct us back to the "Sin Rostro" vs. "Sin Cara" issue, and why there was initial confusion? If I may, then I'd just
like to posit that this thread needs more Super Karate Monkey Death Car. *
And about VH-1 Classic: you've got it about right. Every single thing they air has something to do with music, at least, unlike VH-1 Regular and
MTV, which are almost utterly unwatchable by self-respecting humans (MTV2 can still be counted on to still have a little bit of good stuff, though).
VH-1 Classic will most often have either live music (canned stuff like "Storytellers," but lots of other shows from venues of widely varying sizes,
and from widely varying timeframes, up to the present day) or documentaries about bands of significance. After that, you'll actually get videos
for parts of the day (and they pre-warn you by packaging the sucky ones into hour long "Billy Joel's Top 10"). They also have a few movies in
the rotation that are memorable for soundtracks, with "Breakfast Club" being a crappy one and "Blues Brothers" being a good one.
I am not ashamed to say VH-1 Classic and it's increasing innacurate name (you can see videos of "War Pigs" right up through "White Limo")
became my most favorite music channel about 2-3 years ago, upending the rapidly-spiralling Fuse (for which I had such high hopes when it debuted).
Thus ends my contribution to the multiple digressions of this thread.
Rick
* Ten shiny OO FunBucks to the first person to CORRECTLY explain the Super Karate Monkey Death Car Theory, and how it applies to this topic.
Bonus FunBucks for casually commenting how Mistico is Mexico's leading Macho Business Donkey Wrestler, or adding a Hulu.
[Edited on 2-25-2011 by OORick]
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Matte
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
I think the wwe probably should have paid for the Mistico name and trademark silver mask.
Mistico was probably too similar to Mysterio. And to be honest, they didn't do the worst job they could've done with the repackaging of
his looks. The mask is even similar in design.
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Dead Ben
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Rick-
Super Karate Monkey Death Car is the theory when you switch something from English (or any language, I suppose) to another language, then back to
English again. As far as Macho Business Donkey Wrestler is concerned... unless Mistico is Jimmy James under a mask, I'm not sure on that one...
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drmuerto
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It's a shame they went with "Sin Cara" instead of "Sin Rostro". The two mean roughly the same thing literally, but "rostro" has a bit more
of a poetic feel to it, and definitely conveys something more mysterious. I think I remember "El Hombre sin rostro" being used as a tag-line for the
old Lone Ranger TV show, so maybe that gives a bit of the flavor of why I find that version of the name better. Also, for some reason Sin Cara just
doesn't sound particularly good, maybe it's something about the sond of the vowels or something. More than likely, though, this guy will
just get the Ultimo Dragon treatment and be gone after a short while.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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^I agree. I didn't like Sin Rostro, but I like it helluva lot better than Sin Cara. I think it might be because Cara is a girls name.
In the very least wwe should bastartize it into one word/name - Sincara.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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Matte
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
In the very least wwe should bastartize it into one word/name - Sincara.
I think I'd prefer them at least keep his name meaning something. Sin Cara = no face/faceless (or whatever it translates to). It might not be
the best name choice, but I think it's better than a bastardized Spanish name that doesn't translate into anything (Sincara).
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TownOfDalem
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quote:
Originally posted by Matte
I think I'd prefer them at least keep his name meaning something. Sin Cara = no face/faceless (or whatever it translates to). It might not be
the best name choice, but I think it's better than a bastardized Spanish name that doesn't translate into anything (Sincara).
The Corre disagrees!!!
My assumption with signing Mistico is they see him more as a future replacement for Mysterio (masked babyface), while Del Rio fills the Eddie Guerro
role (latin superstar that can do face or heel as needed). The big question though is can he speak english? If he can't then I seem him more
like Ultimo Dragon or topping out as Tajiri. I don't see WWE pushing someone who doesn't speak english into the main event.
@townofdalem you're awesome #fact
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OORick
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I also agree that "Sin Rostra" has a much more manly-yet-poetic feel to it than calling the guy "Cara."
Going back to the confusion/reporting-of-both-names, is anybody here fully immersed/fluent in Mexican Spanish? Even if they two words mean basically
the same thing, there's GOT to be some kind of subtle (or even colloquial) difference between the two. Sort of like how I choose my words
carefully, and thus Randy Orton is "retarded" while Glenn Beck is a "dipshit" (and there is a very important distinction, even if both boil down
to variants on "stupid"), I assume there's a reason for having the two words, and they aren't entirely equivalent to a Mexican
audience.
Any help out there, OO Nation?
Or are the two really exactly the same, and we really did just have us an instance of Super Karate Monkey Death Car Syndrome hit the rasslin'
press yesterday? *
Rick
* Kudos to the new guy for knowing what Super Karate Monkey Death Car Syndrome is. Fie on all the rest of you tenured slackers for not having
intimite knowledge of the most underrated sitcom of the 90s.
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