LuckyLopez
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Jericho's Movie (and Bad Publicity)
Not to be left out of the newest way wrestlers can show themselves to be mediocre performers Chris Jericho apparently was in a crappy looking B-Horror
called Albino Farm (and if I say a horror looks bad, that's bad). Here's the trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlWG7krGBtU
Of course the only reason I know this is because Jericho apparently made a drunken (or at least that's the best excuse) ass of himself at a
screening of the film tossing around the racist term "Hadji", dropping a "fag", and generally just being enough of an ass to make the audience and
host clearly uncomfortable. TMZ has video of it and while Jericho gave one of those "sorry if I offended anyone" apologies GLAAD is calling him on
being an insincere ass.
Video at this link.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/05/chris-jericho-wee-racial-slurs-wrestling-statement/
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WWE star Chris Jericho is wrestling with a pretty serious controversy -- after he made a slew of offensive slurs against Middle Easterners and
gays.
Jericho was at the Sacramento Horror Film Festival two weeks ago ... for a screening of a movie in which he appears. During a Q&A; session, Jericho
referred to the moderator several times as "Hadji" -- a term sometimes used as a racial slur against Middle Easterners.
After the first wave of slurs -- and a random shot at Paris Hilton -- the host jokingly takes Jericho's drink to sniff it for booze, when Chris
chimes back, "it's apple juice ... fag."
Jericho tells TMZ, "After seeing the video I realize some inappropriate comments were made and I apologize if I offended anybody." Jericho
continues, "Just know that everyone on stage was having a blast and we all shared a drink and a laugh after! The good news is I got my wish of being
posted on TMZ."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/05/glaad-to-jericho-thanks-for-hollow-apology/
quote:
Jarrett Barrios -- president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation -- tells TMZ:
Chris Jericho: Click to watch"Just three months ago Chris Jericho's boss and WWE Chairman Vince McMahon acknowledged to GLAAD that words
matter.
There is no time, context or occasion in which it is acceptable to utter racist and anti-gay slurs. Jericho's hollow apology 'if (he)
offended anyone' is a template used by many and is insincere and worn."
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ThePunisher
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quote:
Just three months ago Chris Jericho's boss and WWE Chairman Vince McMahon acknowledged to GLAAD that words matter.
Pot? Meet kettle.
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OORick
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For whatever it's worth, I suspect my feelings on this cosmically stupid non-issue would be identical even if this was Randy Orton getting
"outed." So disagree with me if you want, but don't use that as your main argument for why I'm not crucifying Jericho over this... the
second he does tens of thousands of dollars of damage to a hotel room because he is a Secret Douchebag? I'll crucify. Till then: just a dude who
thought he was being funny and is almost comically harmless by rasslin industry standards.
quote:
a slew of offensive slurs
Holy Loaded Language, Batman! A "slew"! Which is apparently an acceptable description because.... ummm.... uhhh, it RHYMES with the actual number:
TWO. "Offensive"! Because the targets of them were so upset they forgot to not go out drinking with Jericho afterwards. Totally forgot. They were
brain-scrambled!
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"Hadji" -- a term sometimes used as a racial slur against Middle Easterners
And all the OTHER times, it's used how? I'd like to know, because this claim is a new one to me, and I don't know if there's
an actual real, sensible person (i.e. NOT GLAAD/etc.) who would put this word in a category with the dreaded N-word, or if it's more just like
taking a visually distinctive side-kick and giving him a cute nickname like "Curley" from the 3 Stooges.
For all I know, this is about as offensive as if Jericho had borrowed his cue from some random cartoon and just started calling the same dude "Apu"
in order to indicate his joking lack-of-interest in addressing someone by their real name. Ahem. You know, like calling people "Junior." Which is
clearly a name offensive to the temporal-advancement-challenged!
quote:
After the first wave of slurs
Oh my god, take cover, they're coming in WAVES, now. Waves of one! Or possibly: none.
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and a random shot at Paris Hilton
Any credibility this "report" may have had is lost the second the muckraker in question believes THIS is behavior that needs to be explained or
justified.
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Chris chimes back, "it's apple juice ... fag."
That does it. Jericho is just as hateful and evil as Bill and Ted (of "Excellent Adventure" fame) the second this vile word escaped his mouth.
It's clear to even DENSEST observer that if there's one thing that male homosexuals like more than cock, it's apple juice. What a
despicable comment by Jericho to mock the very core of gayness!
quote:
There is no time, context or occasion in which it is acceptable to utter racist and anti-gay slurs. Jericho's hollow apology is insincere
and worn."
And worse: he meant it with the EXACT SAME level of genuine heartfelt feeling as he meant with his horrible slurs designed to offend, humiliate, and
belittle entire groups of people.
What a jerk.
Rick
PS: Call Jericho unfunny (it's kinda hard to call this the height of rapier-like wit) or call him unsmart (it's one thing to be all
comfortable and snarky with friends or in small groups, but it's stupid NOT to act like a watered-down un-fun PC Weenis in front of a gathering
that large, which is statistically likely to have other no-sense-of-humor/no-sense-of-priority weenisses in the audience)... but don't try to
ascribe any other motives here. There were none.
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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Paddlefoot
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"if this was Randy Orton getting "outed."
It could be arguable that the gays even want him.
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LuckyLopez
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Just to be clear since I started it I'd bet money Jericho ain't a racist and I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt that he
doesn't hate the gays (I mean, look at his wardrobe and hair for most of his career). He's just a loud mouth who (probably) got boozed up
and made a bunch of unfunny jokes in public that he really shouldn't have said outside of the safe confines of private conversation. Even a
minor celebrity ain't getting away with yelling "fag" in a crowded room in 2009.
I don't crucify loud mouth drunk douches for being douches. I just call them douches and post trailers to bad horror films.
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TomS
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Maybe Jericho knew the host rides a Harley.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Just to be clear since I started it I'd bet money Jericho ain't a racist and I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt that he
doesn't hate the gays (I mean, look at his wardrobe and hair for most of his career). He's just a loud mouth who (probably) got boozed up
and made a bunch of unfunny jokes in public that he really shouldn't have said outside of the safe confines of private conversation. Even a
minor celebrity ain't getting away with yelling "fag" in a crowded room in 2009.
Who the fuck still uses the word "fag" in reference to gay people, though? Hasn't fag sort of lost its meaning and just become another basic
word for jackass? Is it really still that hateful of a word? I have a tendency to throw it around all the time ("dude, what do you mean you
don't want to go watch the game and eat $0.50 wings? Quit being a fag and get over here") so if I'm running the risk of really hurting
somebody's feelings I need to know about it. And I've never even heard the term "Hadji" before, and frankly I think "towelhead" is
quite a bit more hateful. But whatever.
Not disagreeing that Jericho showed his ass a bit- which, BTW, is sadly not uncommon for him anymore- but this really seems to be much ado about
nothing.
(Adjusts webcam) Hey what up y'all. This y'all girl Lil' J and this lil' girl right here (pause) ain't scared of nobody
so if you got anything to say to me you can say it to my motherfuckin' face or send me a mother- (pause) or hit me up on my motherfuckin'
MySpace. I ain't scare and this little bitch right here will fuckin' kill yo ass. NICK-GAH. So if you have anything to say you can say it
to... (pause) me. (pause). And if you wanna bump let's go cause I ain't scared of yo motherfucking ass, aight, bitch, latah.
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chewey
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quote:
Originally posted by TomS
Maybe Jericho knew the host rides a Harley.
Too bad that episode didn't come out until after the movie, or he really could have used this excuse.
"Don't matter how many times you get burnt, you just keep doin' the same."
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LuckyLopez
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Pretty much every gay man I know hates the word and won't let it stand. A few liberal straight people I know treat it the same way. One of my
best friends will never let you get away with it. He is legitimately offended and angry if you say it, and if you say it casually to in no way refer
to homosexuality he finds that worse. He regards it the same way many people view casual usage of "nigga". I've all but stricken it from my
vocabulary but early in our friendship that wasn't the case and I'd regularly get in trouble or fights over it. I'd say "You know
I didn't mean anything by it" and he'd say "And you know what that word means to me and my culture so why don't you have the
decency and maturity to not say it and respect us?" And for the life of me I never had a good answer for that so I drove the word and most all
"You're gay" insults from my vocabulary.
Its definitely still a very loaded word in the gay community in my experiences and I'm standing by the "politically correct" stance that not
saying it is my show of respect towards them.
Which doesn't mean I think people who DO toss it around are homophobes or don't respect gays or anything. They haven't had my
experiences and don't react the way I do. But while a decade or so ago you could have heard me toss it around plenty I now squirm a little when
its said like many racial slurs.
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the goon
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Yeah, I agree that "fag" is still a pretty big no-no. Isn't using that word what got the guy fired from Grey's Anatomy (and caused a
bunch of hoopla) a few years back?
Though with that said, I don't think this Jericho thing is exactly a huge deal (and count me in as never having heard the word "Hadji" until
today). Was it stupid? Yes. Should he have refrained from saying it? Sure. But this ain't exactly Michael Richards, where Jericho was running
around onstage screaming the word "faggot" at a group of homosexuals. Don't know if Jericho was drunk or not, but I really get the sense that
he was just trying to be funny and edgy for the crowd, and it came back to bite him in the ass.
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Matte
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People need to get over the fact that people are offended by people. Whether people mean to offend others or not, it's going to happen.
It's time to let it go, instead of getting on everybody's case who offends anyone. All my opinion of course.
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CheMateo
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517 And I've never even heard the term "Hadji" before, and frankly I think "towelhead" is
quite a bit more hateful. But whatever.
No one ever watched Jonny Quest? Hadji was Quest's best bud from India. India and the Middle
East, same thing.
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Not disagreeing that Jericho showed his ass a bit- which, BTW, is sadly not uncommon for him anymore- but this really seems to be much ado
about nothing.
What else has he been doing? I always thought he was one of the few stand up guys.
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Joeldacat
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Man That Jericho Used Slurs Against Calls Him An "A**hole"
From 411: (I'd link it, but the code how to escapes me)
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The man who Chris Jericho used racial and homophobic slurs against at the Sacramento Horror Film Festival told TMZ that Jericho was an
"asshole" and that Jericho's apology was "crap."
Mr. Lobo, the host of the film festival, said he was deeply offended by the insensitive remarks, saying that Jericho's claim that "everyone on
stage was having a blast" was false.
"I don't think [Chris] has the capacity to give an honest apology," he said. "I don't think it's in his character."
To me, this kinda changes things. If the guy up there on stage with him wasn't his friend, or someone who knew him well enough to roll with
it... that's pretty uncool of Jericho.
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Matte
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quote:
The man who Chris Jericho used racial and homophobic slurs against at the Sacramento Horror Film Festival told TMZ that Jericho was an
"asshole"
man called jericho a mean word, can we get up in his case now too? mean people offensive. offensive stuff not allowed in this
country or we riot.
I know "asshole" is a much different remark than "fag" or "Hadji(?)" but hearing people complain about being offended is so overdone at this
point. It doesn't seem like a time is coming where every person who goes out in public will be politically correct and totally unoffensive to
everyone around them, so I think it's time for people to learn to move on, ignore it, and get over it.
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Al Snown3d
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America really needs a blow job.
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DrBoz
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So should we all not be offended by anything anymore? Or is it if we ARE offended we shouldn't say anything about it to anyone. Is there a
list of words, opinions, or situations that are SO offensive that we are allowed to speak up?
Just want to have a clear understanding so I can react appropriately in the future.
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by Matte
I know "asshole" is a much different remark than "fag" or "Hadji(?)" but hearing people complain about being offended is so overdone at this
point. It doesn't seem like a time is coming where every person who goes out in public will be politically correct and totally unoffensive to
everyone around them, so I think it's time for people to learn to move on, ignore it, and get over it.
Look at the cute little guy acting like he understands how the world works and how everyone should be as evolved as him and not care about things like
racism or homophobia while just repeating the same silly things people have always said when they wanted the right to be unapologetic assholes without
the fear of the dreaded Political Correctness ruining their fun. In a year he'll either be calling it Marxism or be quoting Niemoller.
EDIT: Ok, that was WAY condescending. My apologies. But the point still remains.
[Edited on 11-6-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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knuckleballschwartz
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so did the guy front up and say something about how out of order jericho was at the time or is he crawling out of the woodwork now there is a bit of
publicity available (he asks whilst in no way defending Jericho's own dickishness)?
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LuckyLopez
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In fairness, did he HAVE to make a stink out of it when it happened? Some douchebag insulted him and offended people. He was polite and moved on
with his life. Then the story made news and the douchebag said "I had drinks with everyone and we cool, so whateva" and NOW he's speaking up
because he directly contradicts Jericho's lame defense. Its not like he is just grabbing a spotlight when no one gave a shit about him. He is
(a) the "victim" and (b) Jericho's "cover." He's setting the record straight.
And hell, Jericho probably didn't even realize he pissed the dude off. I'd be willing to bet the scenario played out exactly like
they've said.
Jericho gets offensive and makes host uncomfortable.
Jericho and host share a drink and part amicably because host sees no need to make any more of an issue of it.
Someone else brings the issue to light.
Jericho presumes that because the host was cordial he wasn't offended. He presents this presumption as defense against criticism.
Host clarifies that he was indeed offended.
[Edited on 11-6-2009 by LuckyLopez]
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Matte
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@LuckyLopez @DrBoz
What I was trying to say was just my own opinion; that people are always going to say things that are offensive. Especially since he's a
celebrity of sorts, people are going to point it out and make a big deal of it. I personally believe that people will remain offensive to other
people, but as long as the offense is verbal and not physical and does not decrease the overall life value of the one who's offended, a big deal
shouldn't be made of it. It seems to be a natural occurence in life that people are offended, and it's just my own personal belief that
people should let things go or take less offense to things, knowing how humans, in general, act and what humans, in general, say.
All my own opinion. I can, however, see from the other side, too, though. If people aren't as passive then yes, they will take more offense and
make it known that they take offense. I won't say that it's a bad thing to do this, it's also natural. I'll just say that
it's not my own choice of paths to take.
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repeating the same silly things people have always said when they wanted the right to be unapologetic assholes without the fear of the dreaded
Political Correctness ruining their fun.
I definitely don't want this right, jtlyk. I do not take pride in making others feel less happy
than they have the opportunity to feel.
[Edited on 11-6-2009 by Matte]
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cardscott5
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Between this and the thing with the fans where he hit the girl, Jericho kinda seems like a prick. In this era of hyper sensitivity, you have to watch
what you say. Especially when you know cameras rolling and anything inflammatory you say will be blown up.
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LuckyLopez
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He's probably no more of a prick than most wrestlers who rant online about their exes being "feces" or steal said girlfriend or blame others
for his firing after years of problems or get arrested for possession or get arrested for drunk driving or trash hotel rooms or whatever. Or no more
of a prick than the immature 20 year olds they basically are.
Has anyone ever stopped and considered how weird it is that "fired because he went into a drug induced seizure" has become a common thing in
wrestling?
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punkerhardcore
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Has anyone ever stopped and considered how weird it is that "fired because he went into a drug induced seizure" has become a common thing in
wrestling?
Who else did that happen to besides Lance Cade?
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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LuckyLopez
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I can think of Eugene off the top of my head but no one else. Admittedly maybe that's it and I'm just remembering constant re-tellings of
those stories. I dunno.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by CheMateo
What else has he been doing? I always thought he was one of the few stand up guys.
Well, there was the thing with him allegedly getting physical with a fan a year or so ago. I'm fuzzy on the details but it was one of those
things where he claimed self-defense when he probably could have walked away from it. And then he got all self-righteous on his Twitter account
because people came to the natural conclusion from Jeff Hardy's drug bust that perhaps Hardy has a drug problem, because we have no right to put
2 and 2 together and come up with 4 because we've never been in that situation, man. I dunno, when Jericho was gone all I wanted was for
him to come back but ever since he's been back I kind of just want him to go away again.
(Adjusts webcam) Hey what up y'all. This y'all girl Lil' J and this lil' girl right here (pause) ain't scared of nobody
so if you got anything to say to me you can say it to my motherfuckin' face or send me a mother- (pause) or hit me up on my motherfuckin'
MySpace. I ain't scare and this little bitch right here will fuckin' kill yo ass. NICK-GAH. So if you have anything to say you can say it
to... (pause) me. (pause). And if you wanna bump let's go cause I ain't scared of yo motherfucking ass, aight, bitch, latah.
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