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rasslinjunkie
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posted on 4-20-2004 at 05:16 AM Edit Post
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And before you start in on the barbed wire, YES, IT HURTS TOO, FUCKTARDS.


Yeah, REAL barbed wire probably hurts like hell, however I don't think that plastic shit they used last night that had a few little sharp points in it for blading has that much of an impact on your survival.

And RJ, your thumbtack story made me weep, seriously. You are a single mother (I'll admit, one of the toughest species out there), but you are NOT a professional wrestler. Those tacks are nothing to these guys, and as Insider pointed out, they wouldn't be that painful in real life. It's purely a visual.


FFC, don't be a jackass.
Wait. What am I saying?

I wasn't suggesting that Foley and Orton ran home weeping.
My problem is this: When talking to non-wrestling fans, all I ever hear is how fucking fake it is, and how these guys are just pussies. That's bad enough; I don't need to hear actual fans disrespecting what the guys do by saying "aw, it prolly don't hurt that bad."
Fuck that.

And with Insider, we have this nice little thread about Backlash. Then here comes attention whore, telling us not to make a big deal of it, cause *cough cough* he's done it, by the way.

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It doesn't tickle, but it isn't the be all and end all of bumps. Like I said, stiff chair shots to the head hurt far worse.

I never said it was the "be all and end all," fuckhead. I said it certainly did hurt, and shouldn't be waved off. And anyone who delivers a "stiff" chair shot to the head will very quickly have no opponents willing to wrestle them.
Gee, I bet C-4 hurts worse, too.

Dumbass.

And back to FFC: I am not an "insider." What I am, is a fan. And, from what I've seen, in the wrestlers' OWN words, like Mick's, for example, thumbtacks hurt, which is why they're rarely used.
As for the barbed wire, generally, they use real barbed wire. The trick is in the way it's used, not what it's made of. WCW, for example, used special wire with blunt tips, and apparently, from Mick's account, anyway, the "trick" wire is much worse.

And, as a redneck, I can add that nice, tightly wrapped, barbed wire is much less dangerous, hence the use of "barbie."
That came out weird, heh. I meant I've handled it building fences, not that I've been in barfights with barbed wire, lol.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 06:20 AM Edit Post
At the risk of bringing the apocolypse yet another step closer, I'm siding with RJ on this one.

First off, "the_insider" is, shall we say, a goofball who'll write just about anything, no matter how stupid, to try and "put himself Over". And people who try and "put themself Over" on a wrestling board are one step below people who eat paste.

Those are BIG-ASSED THUMBTACKS, and they're REAL big-assed thumbtacks. I doubt there's many people here that would willingly slam their palm on even one of them- kudos to Randy for taking a backdrop on to dozens of them.

Now, as for the barbed wire- well, I'm wasn't in the match, but I do know that Mick has stated several times that when he's taking the bump, he goes with the real thing. As I recall, they used a fake Barbwire Club for his cage match with HHH, and still ended up puncturing HHH's head in three places. Again, I wasn't there, but Mick wrote in his book that HHH stated that he wished they'd just gone with the 'real' club, since he ended up needing stitches anyway.

I dunno why some people feel the need to denigrate the accomplishments of guys like Mick and Randy in matches like this. From the look of Randy's face tonight, only one of those cuts were from blading. The rest are all legit punctures and ragged cuts.

I mean holy shit, did people expect them to use chainsaws on each other? Yes, the probably attempted to avoid death or permanent mutilation in their match- does that somehow take away from what they did? I'm pretty sure that the table Mick went through in his legendary HIAC match vs Taker was rigged- hey, guess that means 'the_insider' could have done it, probably without even losing any teeth.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 06:33 AM Edit Post
I simply pointed out the truth as opposed to what was incorrect. Sorry for that.

By no means should Orton's work be denigraded. But I'd hate for people to read accolades and think 'well, if all he did was bump on tacks, the he hasn't done anything' because the truth is, tacks are a very cool visual and sting like a bitch, but are not as insane as they look.

Orton worked his ass off and deserved credit for everything he did in that match. And believe me, when I worked hardcore matches, i *cough cough* got the accolades I deserved for the sick things I did.

And yes, barbed wire in wrestling is almost always real. and yes *cough cough* I have used it and *cough cough* the guys I work with have to. But then again, i'm just a fuck head.

Now go fuck yourselves.

lol

Promoter - sort of agree about Bret, but I still think they could easily write a convincing story for him, if he'll do it. Doesn't he realise we as fans all want it? We made him a star and a millionaire. All we want is one last run. I think he needs to do it.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 06:40 AM Edit Post
To recap The Insider's last post-

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I'm a fuckhead blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Promoter- blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 06:41 AM Edit Post
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I simply pointed out the truth as opposed to what was incorrect. Sorry for that.


God, I HATE when people do this shit.
DON'T BACK DOWN NOW; that's almost as bad as going back and editing to change an offensive post.

THIS is what you said:
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for the record, thumb tacks don't really hurt, so I'm not sure what the big deal is.


Now don't try and tell me that wasn't denigrating Orton's efforts.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 06:49 AM Edit Post
You know, just because he has done it before doesn't mean everyone has to jump on him and treat him like crap. If that's what board vets do, let me never become one. I think it's nice to have someone who's actually in the sport around here.
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posted on 4-20-2004 at 07:00 AM Edit Post
obviously you dont know the insider very well.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 07:05 AM Edit Post
A quick note on the thumbtacks, and whether or not they really hurt: anyone notice when the ref counted a near-fall and he hit his hand on just one of the tacks? You would have thought it was a rusty nail by the way he reacted.

Just thought I'd point that out.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 07:17 AM Edit Post
I noticed that too Alana, and did you notice that ref had a bandage on his hand on RAW tonight?





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 06:20 PM Edit Post
jesse316: the difference in board "vets" is just that they (or "we" if I'm one) are more likely to snap at stupidity.

Now, just speaking for myself, one of my "sore spots" is seeing posters shit on wrestlers. Whether it's laughing at serious injuries, claiming to "hate" them because they have bad haircuts or some shite like that, or just saying "that doesn't really hurt," these are the things most likely to piss ME off, personally.

But everyone has their own pet peeves; just look at grammer nazi Jeb.

This board's a VERY friendly place, and we revel in stupidity, quite often. Stick around, and you'll get the idea.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 07:24 PM Edit Post
My one thought during the match wasn't whether the barbed wire was real or how much the tacks hurt, but simply how gruesome it was. And a big part of that gruesomeness came from how the blood happened. Orton landed on the tacks on his bare back. There was nothing there to do anything to "break" the fall or the punctures. Unless they were using little flat disks isntead of tacks (didn't look like it, but I was watching the webcast), Orton has a lot of little pins poking into his skin. Which stuck around. And hurt like hell when they start getting wriggled around while they're in the skin, say during a throw off a stage onto a crate.

And for you science buffs, RJ's point is all based on pressure, pretty similar to a bed of nails. If you want more, here's an experiment. 1) Buy barb wire. 2) push down with palm on a single barb. 3) push down with palm on a wad o' barbs. 4) determine which went through the skin the easiest. It was a helluva match, and man this is a helluva rambling post.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 11:27 PM Edit Post
No, that was not denigrading Orton's performance. It was deinigrading those who think he is God for bumping on them.

Considering I put over the chair shots, then I was not denigrading him at all.

BTW, a puncture on the hand is a little different then a back bump. I'm sure the ref's hand was sore. The guy I worked got a tack in his hand when he Stroked me face first into the tacks and he complained more then I did. To each his own, I guess.

Orton deserves respect, dispite his ridiculous over-push.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 11:31 PM Edit Post
Amen to that.

A week ago everyone was clowning on Orton non-stop, now the guy does a back drop onto some tacks and he's the fucking messiah around here. I give him NO props, and stand by my original assertation that he is indeed, still a pussy.

Until he gets a limb chopped off with an aforementioned chainsaw and THEN finishes the match. Only THEN will he get the hard to earn FFC Props.





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posted on 4-20-2004 at 11:47 PM Edit Post
FFC, I've yet to hear anyone treating Orton like a god.
What I've seen has been a combination of "well I didn't expect that from Orton," and an "atta boy" sort of respect for a wrestler not a lot of people liked. I don't think anyone saw him fall on tacks and immediately changed their mind about him; if it were that easy, we could have just saved the match, and thrown tacks at him at a house show. Or after, as he runs for his car, screaming like a little girl.

Possibly would have been more fun, even.

Lay off the booze, FFC. It's making you daft.

Umm......"daft-er," perhaps.





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 12:13 AM Edit Post
RJ, will you marry me? We'd have such lovely domestic disturbances, can't you hear the sirens now?





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 12:16 AM Edit Post
I just had to add this thread has turned into high comedy. The back and forth Orton debate has me cracking up. I have one question for Insider. Did you ever post at Solie's Vintage Wrestling(sorry for naming other websites, but hey)? Your posts are reminding me of someone very similar from back in 97-98 when that site use to get heated.
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posted on 4-21-2004 at 12:17 AM Edit Post
You got stroked by a guy?

nice.

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posted on 4-21-2004 at 12:23 AM Edit Post
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RJ, will you marry me? We'd have such lovely domestic disturbances, can't you hear the sirens now?


FFC, you, my dear, are the most delicate of flowers, tinged with the first soft blush of sociopathic rot.

But alas, I'm afraid I'd be too much man for you, sweetheart.


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posted on 4-21-2004 at 01:35 AM Edit Post
Never posted on that site. I only got into the business in summer 2001. Prior to that, i did not post anywhere.

This forum has it's share or morons, but it's much better then others I've seen. You should check out sites that are frequented by the boys. THOSE get nasty...lol





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 02:31 AM Edit Post
EDIT: In retrospect, my post may have been slightly excessive.

[Edited on 4-21-2004 by OO Kyle]





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 02:38 AM Edit Post
Okay, I'll bite. It's just getting so fucking irritating. What are these sites, Insider? And, what the hell... who are you? Is there any REAL reason you have to remain anonymous? I know you don't care if we respect you and I know that you're just trying to "enlighten" the unwashed heathen on this forum, but honestly, you aren't making many friends here. So why do you continue to bless us with your vast experience and knowledge? Really, I want to know.

Edit: What Kyle said... until he pussied out and deleted it.

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posted on 4-21-2004 at 02:42 AM Edit Post
Kyle, there is NO WAY he will understand that. He's in pro wrestling... try keeping your words to 2 syllables or less.





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 02:45 AM Edit Post
Decided to remove it altogether, Bone. I suddenly realized that unless he was willing to look up all the big words, he'd probably think I was complimenting him.





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 02:50 AM Edit Post
Yeah, but I'm sure he has a dictionary handy to use in all his SUPR KOOL HARD KORRE MATCHEZ!!! Nothing like a dictionary to the head... you know, it hurts WAY more than pussy thumbtacks. And if you don't believe me, ask the Insider... did you hear that he once took a STROKE, FACE-FIRST on some tacks!

He's hardcore! He's hardcore!





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posted on 4-21-2004 at 03:38 AM Edit Post
Ya know, I was shaking with the need to spew venom after that last post -- he really WAS begging for it. I held back, thinking "nah; I've attacked him enough; let someone else have a swing at him."

Now that you guys have responded to the call of moronic splendor, here's a heavily edited version of the post not posted:

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#$%@!!!
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