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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:31 AM Edit Post
RAW thoughts 8/11/03

Okay show again this week. Nothing great, but not much bad either, IMO.

Jericho is so gold on the mic. I don't want him to lose his hair, but I think he could make it work for him at least as well as Angle played it last year.

I thought the Storm/Goldust exchange wasn't as crisp this week. I'll still hold out hope, but I've got a funny feeling that if this doesn't pan out, Storm could be released. I think that would be insanely stupid, but I can see him on TNA in 3 months. Maybe at least there he will have some nice work-rate matchups.

How can I take Goldberg serious when WWE puts him in a janitor's closet for the duration of the show?

I guess its nice having 'Berg align with the other faces before the Chamber match, but this whole 'friendship' just wreaks of Michael's trademark insincerity. This could be a nice little I cannot spell 'feud' down the road.

The RVD 5* on the chair was a beautiful move. Great timing on both he and Kane's part - and some nice camera work to boot.

What did you all think?

EDIT: I didn't edit this post's content, I just tossed in a date stamp in the title. — ModSquad.

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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:44 AM Edit Post
Ack. Didn't Jeb already post a thread about this? I hope I didn't post on the wrong thread.

Could someone clear this up for me?





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:47 AM Edit Post
The RAW Chat thread announces that people are chatting in the chat room. To get there, go to the main page and select "interact" from the top menu. Meanwhile, just cut-and-paste your thoughts into this thread, and I'll delete your post in the Raw Chat thread.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:50 AM Edit Post
Thanks so much for clearing that up, ModSquad.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 05:58 AM Edit Post
I liked the Flair-Goldberg-Orton match, nothing technically great but it was interesting with Orton as the ref. Jericho was the MVP of Raw again this week, I'm finding Test alot more entertaining lately, went to piss during the Dudley's La Resistance match, Christian needs his old music and pyro back.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 06:39 AM Edit Post
Well, I thought it was another strong Raw. Maybe Raw can end SD!'s streak of wins in the Battle of the Brands? We'll see.

-The finish was a bit shady. Hey, Michaels counting the three was novel, in a Stone-cold-"Screw the rules" kind of way but I actually wanted to see how Goldberg could get out of it...and if he even could period. A large part of me was hoping Goldberg would lose, if only to make Ric Flair finally look like the former 16 (17?) time world champ the WWE keeps reminding us he is. Oh well. The finish was still entertaining. I hope Raw tries to show Goldberg actually has some weaknesses though.

-Good show to Bill showing how bad his knee was throughout the match, but I thought it strange when he kept grabbing and hobbling when he knew Ric would just bounce off the ropes and hit it. It looked ridiculous. He just stood there and took it and didn't try to punch or anything. I'm all for giving Goldberg the benefit of the doubt when it comes to putting on decent matches, but stuff like that makes me grind my teeth.

-Gail Kim's promo was awesome. I couldn't have asked for a better explanation. And the match was damn good too. Those fans can kiss my ass. "You fucked up". Gimme a break. The spot wasn't that bad.

-Christian showed up with the IC title to Booker's music, which was cool. I would've liked his match with Spike to be a bit more squash though. Christian looked a bit too fragile. Looks like we'll be getting a new feud for the title here soon, which is a plus.

-JR is back and sounded great. Especially when Kane was gonna chokeslam Bischoff. Good stuff. I didn't like how he just stared at Coach, expecting him and us to understand what was going down. JR...what a dick.

-Well, hopefully, Kane is free of the paddywagon thing and Bischoff is gonna let him do what he wants now. The heat between him and RVD has just intensified.

-Ugh, I didn't enjoy Nash on the mic one bit. "You don't tell me what to do". Oh boy, let's sound a bit more like a third-grader, Kevin. He just seemed way too relaxed and downbeat for his attitude to add any drama to the problems between him and Jericho. Just like Goldberg, I'm all for giving Nash a chance to impress me but he didn't tonight. Even his descripting of the pictures was a bit lame. But I liked the inclusion of the clippers. Jericho was great though with the showing off of his hair. Lovely.

-Shouldn't they keep the hair v. hair match for Unforgiven? Ah, well. It'll be something to see next week. Looking forward to it. Should pull some ratings. Maybe.

-The tag title situation got a bit more interesting. I feared they would drag the nationality cheap heat into it even more with the Dudley's defending America's honor and they did just that. Well, it was done in a bit different way, with the wine and the covering of the Dudleys, so I'm not too disappointed. But regardless, the end result is the same: instead of the Dudley's defending the honor of the tag titles from inferior champs (like they should have said from the beginning), now they're defending the honor of their country from an inferior one. We've seen it all before, and done better.

-Eric v. Shane is official. The contract thing was kind of a tacky way to do it though. But it served it's purpose in Austin outwitting Bischoff.

-The Lance/Goldust bit was priceless. I laughed too hard at the "Ass-ass-ass-ass-ascension" part. Oh, man. This is gonna be good.

-The Hurricane/SHIT part was a bit hokey but the whole gimmick of the Hurricane is hokey so it was forgivable. I hope they come up with funnier stuff though, maybe involving superstars instead of old ladies.

Anything else that I forgot to note? Don't think so.

Overall, great show. Good two-hours.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 06:56 AM Edit Post
I thought Raw was pretty weak this week. The funniest moment on the show was Goldberg "Coming out of the closet", that was sweet.

The SHIT thing is really inane, I usually like stupid WWE humour (I absolutely loved it when the Big Bossman showed up at Big Show's father's funeral), but this one is too unfunny even for me.

The best thing on Raw right now, the Kane storyline, wasn't spectacular this week, as a result, the show didn't have any real high points.

The second best thing on Raw right now, Chris Jericho, was the best thing on Raw this week. I'd love to see him come away with the title at Summerslam.

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posted on 8-12-2003 at 07:24 AM Edit Post
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The funniest moment on the show was Goldberg "Coming out of the closet", that was sweet.


Yeah, that was funny as hell. I can't believe they did that. I smacked my forehead.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 07:57 AM Edit Post
Hell, they should bring back the Bossman yet again and have him... aww nevermind.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 01:20 PM Edit Post
I liked RAW alot. Even the throw away segments had their point. Some may dislike the whole Dudley/Resistance thing, but at least they kept it short. They had to have something on the show, and rather than sit through a boring match and get the same ending, a cheap shot and beat down right at the start is pretty good.

Good quick explanation of the Booker T thing. Herniated disc. So he was hurt, but he had enough to lose on a house show. Of course they could have just said he lost on a house show when he never really did. Most people would be none the wiser. Another thing I question, if Booker was good enough to put on a match at a house show, couldn't they have done the match at RAW instead? Either way, works in my books. I was actually damn impressed with the match that Spike and Christian had. Kept me watching. Lots of near falls. I knew that Spike wouldn't win, but it had me thinking for a minute, being the debut of Spike TV and all.

I also liked the Goldberg match. Wasn't the standard 3 minute match with punch, knee, powerslam, spear, jackhammer, pin. I probably just did a full recap of most of his matches. Anyway, I thought it was really well done. May have been better if they didn't have the no dq stip so Goldberg couldn't touch Orton. Giving Orton the ability to give a DQ if Goldberg looked at him wrong would have stacked the odds even more. Still could have had the same ending and everything.

Drop Rosie, S.H.I.T isn't working IMO. It isn't horrible, and Rosie can work, but it won't be as a Hero. Comedy stuff aside, good match with Hurricane and Mack.

The only thing I didn't like was the Highlight Reel. Jericho aside, becuase he is great on the mic, Nash is just really horrible. He brought the whole segment down. He is more boring to listen too than Lance Storm. Which is a shame, because he wasn't always like that. Just glad I didn't see Brutus the Barber's hedgeclippers. Chris "The Barber" Jericho anyone?

Oh, and drop the Kane house arrest thing. If there are no charges against him, then he shouldn't have the cops hanging off of him across the country. Now I have an idea for Kane, if they had him in a straight jacket and under psychological observation or something along those lines, then bring up some little lackey from OVW to be a shrink following him around with a couple orderlies, I would accept it more.


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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:12 PM Edit Post
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Originally posted by cpdevine1 Oh, and drop the Kane house arrest thing. If there are no charges against him, then he shouldn't have the cops hanging off of him across the country. Now I have an idea for Kane, if they had him in a straight jacket and under psychological observation or something along those lines, then bring up some little lackey from OVW to be a shrink following him around with a couple orderlies, I would accept it more.


I'm in total agreement. The police escort thing is just stupid IMO. Especially since JR, just stated for the record, he is not pressing charges.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:42 PM Edit Post
Jericho CANNOT loose his hair.

PLEASE just ditch Rosey and let Hurricane and Christian feud.

thanks Vince, 'preciate it.





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 04:58 PM Edit Post
Gail Kim = Terrible





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 05:02 PM Edit Post
RatherbeinChyna = one note idiot





What, you actually read this stuff?

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posted on 8-12-2003 at 06:10 PM Edit Post
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posted on 8-12-2003 at 06:45 PM Edit Post
maybe its just that i am not much of a "smark" but raw has continued to be entertaining to me.

i love how stiener just yells things at people during his match. it makes me laugh everytime

hurricane/rosey and stom/goldust are more entertaining then ever.

cant wait to see the hair vs. hair match next week. nashole was pretty funny and he just provided the internet folks with a new word to call big daddy cool. lol

kane should stop talking and just kick ass.

elimination chamber is gonna be awesome!!!

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posted on 8-12-2003 at 06:50 PM Edit Post
All this, and nobody mentions Molly's sweet double cross of Gail??????? THAT was the best segment of the night.

And Goldberg (you know, that selfish untalented hack who hurts people) sold the leg very well. Even when he was executing his power (you know . . . boring) offense, he was planting on his "good" leg. Benoit does that and we'd see a thread here on what a genius he is.

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posted on 8-12-2003 at 06:55 PM Edit Post
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Gail Kim = Terrible


Rick, give this guy the CtB spotlight. This post was thoughtful, insightful, and in depth. If more people would post like this what a wonderful world this would be. There is nothing more you can add to this post. All that while not being too wordy. Who needs to clutter up a post with stupid stuff like explanations and examples? Sentence structure is overrated anyway.


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posted on 8-12-2003 at 07:20 PM Edit Post
And, oh yeah, Ric Flair has never looked more like a short, old, overweight, over the hill wrestler than he did last night.






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posted on 8-12-2003 at 08:40 PM Edit Post
Maybe they were using Fisheye lenses. Rico looked like he'd just swallowed Crash Holly whole. And speaking of Hollys, Molly's new outfit isn't exactly 'slimming', although she's still the only Diva I'd want to marry.
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posted on 8-12-2003 at 09:17 PM Edit Post
Jericho rules the known world. I wish (I know it won't happen) that he could win back the title. And I disagree with all the Nash-hating. I love his understated style. Everyone can't just yell all the time. That gets stale. I like the fucking enormous guy who talks calmly because HE CAN. It makes sense, and it's a change of pace.

Rico did look like he was on hormone shots, or something. Bloated. Yuck. Although, he was still a better looking woman than Ms. Jackie. The old Rico was irritating. The new Rico is downright god-awful. He was the only thing I actively disliked.

Even La Resistance had a little more fire under their asses this week.

ratherbeinchyna...I'm just glad that other people are starting to see the inanity of his posts. I got into a big back-and-forth with him about his complete dismissal of any female wrestlers once - I'm glad to see that maybe I wasn't the only one who found his act obnoxious.

I disagree with the hating on Rosie, too. The guy is finally worth watching. He's selling the gimmick, man, you have to give it to him. He isn't just the boring ass big dude anymore.

I thought the overall product was excellent tonight. Very watchable, very entertaining.






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posted on 8-12-2003 at 09:48 PM Edit Post
Gail Kim = Terrible
'nuff said.

Molly had a good match..I have stated before that i think she is very talented although I dont find it entertaining I do not deny the fact that she has some talent.

Lets let Mr. Scooter weigh in with his thoughts.

"- Women’s title: Molly Holly v. Trish Stratus v. Gail Kim. Funny how there was big boos backstage for Gail’s interview, but no reaction to her entrance. Trish attacks both to start and gets a spinebuster on Kim for two. Thesz Press and they catfight, and then Trish botches a headscissors in the corner and gets yanked out by Molly. Gail then attempts a pescado and blows THAT. That could have been REALLY bad for her. The heels double-suplex Trish and stomp away, but Molly hangs Trish in the corner, and then turns on Gail with a clothesline and gets the pin at 2:25. ½*"

I am not proud to have the same stance as Scooter but still he is stating the facts.

As far as some of you are concerned, read some of my posts in the past if you think I am a one trick pony. Unless your name is #tcb or one of his 34 other posts I dont attack people personally, unless they attack me. The topic of this thread is "RAW thoughts" , I posted mine. Disagree with what I said but to say
"RatherbeinChyna = one note idiot
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and "...I'm just glad that other people are starting to see the inanity of his posts"
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posted on 8-12-2003 at 09:53 PM Edit Post
And cp I cant tell if you are with me or against me (must be my lack of a brain) but If you are saying something about me not saying more please review the thread; Gail Kim =Terrible

http://www.onlineonslaught.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=5102





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posted on 8-12-2003 at 11:35 PM Edit Post
While I do agree that the skit with Hurricane and Rosie last night was not the best, I still think they could pull some funny shit out of this. They just need to integrate some other superstars like DustStorm did last night, rather than the another painfully obvious skit.

And I have consistently enjoyed the women's division for quite some time now. There were times when it was the best and most coherent thing on Raw. Yeah, Gail's push to the title came too soon but now everything seems to right. We've got a reason for Gail to hate Trish and Molly in the middle to make the matches from average to good. Just give a Trish rebuke to Gail's statements and I'll be happy.

And I do agree that the women are pushed too soon, except maybe Victoria, who was damn impressing during her feud with Trish. I've always been one to think that since the women are usually lighter and thinner than the men, couldn't they jump around like Rey Mysterio or Kidman with the right amount of training?





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posted on 8-13-2003 at 05:10 AM Edit Post
put Storm and Hurricane back togther and PUSH them, his name's Lance Storm for god's sake - could he be any more superhero?.





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