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Author: Subject: Ric Flair 1983-1987 face/heel question?
Norm
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posted on 5-8-2003 at 05:43 AM Edit Post
Ric Flair 1983-1987 face/heel question?

I watched the PWI video of The Great American Bash 1985: The Ringmasters, and it was a one hour comp tape of this big NWA event from 1985. I might do a review of it on here, if anybody is interested. The NWA World Title match was between Flair and Nikita Koloff.

My question here is, I know Flair was a face in 1983, a heel in 1984, and was a heel from late 1985-1989. However, was Flair a face in 1985 against Koloff, or more of a defacto face? I wasn't a big NWA fan back in the day, and I just like to get a timeline on Flair. I've checked some of the major sites like Kayfaybe Memories, but I can't get much on it.

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posted on 5-8-2003 at 09:35 AM Edit Post
I am not sure, as I didn't watch back then, but easily enough to answer, when was Magnum TA in the accident that took him out of wrestling? If it was before that Koloff and Flair match, then Flair would have been the heel. Koloff stepped in and took Magnum TA's spot as a top face when TA went out.

Its not an answer really, but I hope it helps you find it.

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posted on 5-8-2003 at 09:58 AM Edit Post
Cpdevine1, thanks for your reply, but that was for Starrcade 1986. Where Koloff was the defacto babyface because "he was so touched by Magnum T.A's accident" storyline. The feud I'm talking about happened in 1985, when Koloff was still with Ivan and Krusher Krushev. The storyline (according to the PWI tape) was that the Ivan got permission from the Kremlin to have Nikita destroy Flair, so Nikita could bring the gold home to Mother Russia. Nikita even Russian Sickled David Crockett, who ended up being special referee for the event.

I hope that helps everybody else on here, in helping me find the answer.

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posted on 5-11-2003 at 08:57 AM Edit Post
Flair was defacto face (facing anyone else he'd had been heel) - only because of how evil and powerful Nikita and his Russian comrades were. Mangum's accident occurred in '86 a little while after Nikita & Magnum's best of 7 for the US (or TV) belt
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posted on 5-12-2003 at 02:21 AM Edit Post
I think you're right dragonmak, I got this email from a post I wrote someplace else.

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I followed it through the 80's and from what I remember, Flair was a good
chameleon because as the champ he took the belt to a lot of feds that had
ties to the NWA. If he was in Georgia, he could fight heels and be the
face. If he was in Texas, he was probably going to heel to a Von Erich
face.

He wrestled very rarely on TV in the early 80's, but when he did show up, he
got reverential treatment from Gordon Solie. If he did get in the ring on
TV, it wasn't usually against a palooka, but probably a mid-carder or even
someone feud-worthy. By Starcade 83, he had already been the champ several
times. Race had out-heeled him into a temporary stint as a face, but it
wasn't too long before he reverted to being the "dirtiest player in the
game" again.

He would do some screw job or cheat to save the title, thus giving him all
the heel heat he needed to feud with the next face. Guys like Tommy Rich,
Dusty Rhodes, Magnum TA, Paul Orndorff, and Butch Reed were all steady faces
in the early 80's so Flair would be the heel when they feuded. Nikita, Ted
Dibiase, Iron Sheik, and Funk had earned enough heel heat to push Flair to
face status. It was all about getting/keeping the belt and the heel/face
role didn't matter.

In the late 80's, he was more steady as a true heel, the Funk feud being a
notable exception. Dusty, Sting, Luger, Ron Garvin, Ricky Steamboat, etc.
took their turns as faces against him.

Fun stuff.


Wierd that you could be a face in one place, and a heel in another. I remember Jeff Jarrett doing that same thing in the WWA against Nathan Jones and interfering with Lex Luger and Sting. Yet at the time of the taping, Jarrett had just turnd babyface in TNA. Weird stuff.

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posted on 5-30-2003 at 06:14 AM Edit Post
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Originally posted by Norm
Wierd that you could be a face in one place, and a heel in another.



That reminds me of the old WWF/USWA situation, where guys like Jerry Lawler would be a heel in WWF, but a face in USWA, then a face from WWF, like Tatanka, would come in to fight Lawler, and he'd be the heel in USWA. Of course, I know why Lawler was usally the face there (though he did do a heel turn or two, if I remember correctly) but it was still weird to see people usually seen as the faces as heels and heels as faces. It was like the bizarro WWF.






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