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posted on 12-16-2019 at 11:59 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (December 16, 2019)

Tonight on RAW: WWE officially enters its annual holiday low-power mode... the final PPV of the year is done, and a combination of water treading and pre-taped shows mean things won't really ramp up again until the week of January 6, 2020...

RAW, in particular, is noticeably limping at this point... the red brand didn't even serve up anything of note at last night's TLC PPV, so it's not like they went out with a bang... no WWE Title (because Brock Lesnar), no women's title defense (because Becky Lynch was in a tag match), zero developments in RAW's top active storyline (Owens vs. Rollins) much less an actual match, no US Title or other bankable upper-mid-carders (Styles/Orton/Ricochet), no nothing outside of a random tag title open challenge, a dose of WrestleCrap, and a match relegated to the pre-show... RAW's year is basically over, and I think that qualifies as one hell of a whimper...

Maybe they'll buck the trend and surprise us tonight... but I wouldn't count on it, since they are taping both tonight's and next Monday's shows, and double-shots tend to be scattershot affairs where there's tons of filler inserted to mask the fact that WWE tries to keep too many top guys from having to pull double duty in lengthy marquee matches...

The only thing WWE has promised so far is a match between AJ Styles and Randy Orton... that doesn't do much for me, but your mileage may vary.... personally, things would be much more interesting if you included Orton in the pre-existing US Title issue between Styles and Mysterio (and then, you also add in Ricochet, and hey, now you're cooking with gas!)...

Presumably, there will also be more details and developments with regard to the Seth Rollins/Kevin Owens feud, which started out as a battle for "locker room leadership" but has turned personal, with Rollins enlisting the AoP as his henchmen.... I'm a fan of Rollins reverting to heel status, and having hired goons plays perfectly into his "Architect"/mastermind persona.... but at the same time, I'm not at all sanguine about how you make this work with Becky Lynch, whose non-participation in any Rollins segment since Survivor Series is quite distractingly conspicuous (and let that be an object lesson in why you don't just randomly decide to do storylines revealing real-life relationships, because at some point, it'll bite you in the ass)...

Mostly, I sympathize with the fans in Des Moines, IA, who are being asked to show up an hour early and who are going to be expected to stick around extra late, as WWE tries to tape 6 hours of TV... granted, with the afforementioned filler and some smart use of time, you can probably get that done in 5 hours of "real time," but it's still gonna be a long night for them folks...

That is all. End communication...

The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!

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posted on 12-17-2019 at 12:05 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Mostly, I sympathize with the fans in Des Moines, IA, who are being asked to show up an hour early and who are going to be expected to stick around extra late, as WWE tries to tape 6 hours of TV... granted, with the afforementioned filler and some smart use of time, you can probably get that done in 5 hours of "real time," but it's still gonna be a long night for them folks...




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posted on 12-17-2019 at 12:37 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Jesus Christ. Sitting through two episodes of Raw in 2019? I'm pretty sure that's how they get terrorists to talk at CIA black sites.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 12:44 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Im just glad to have advance notice as to being on for spoiler duty tomorrow.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 01:04 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Offer some of these fans some free KFC and they'll stick around for just about anything. Do a modern turn on the stoning of the village adulteress by letting them throw those little containers of gravy and cole slaw at Lana just to make it that much more exciting.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 01:21 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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posted on 12-17-2019 at 01:34 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Of course the "stoning" of the adulteress includes the unspoken implication that a good bukkake is also acceptable to show displeasure over her activities.

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posted on 12-17-2019 at 02:16 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Seth bringin' the premium surliness tonight. The pre-apology was interesting. Wonder who's gonna get jumped? Ooooooh, maybe he asks Bex for the ring back!

Also, and agayn upon further review, there's no got damned reason Karl Anderson didn't get totally covered in steaming hot gravy by the Viking Warriors.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 02:30 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Have they used the "best tag team in the world" thing in recent months? It seems like someone just remembered that was a thing they could reference again.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 02:41 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Here's hoping for a night where "never missed an episode of RAW" isn't considerably lamer than "never missed an episode of Hee-Haw".





Well you know, just because these young men have little education and live in squalor, it doesn't entitle them to commit antisocial behaviour and get away with it.

Y'know, families really do absolutely fucking suck. They're the true source of everything that fucks up someone's life. Would have been better off to have been born into a vat and raised by a government robot.

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posted on 12-17-2019 at 02:44 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Im still angry at gravy.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 02:51 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The mystery of Rowan's thing in a cage in a sack DEEPENS. My apathy.

Edit: It's really weird hearing Liv Morgan speaking in a slow and steady fashion. Also, hopefully now that they're showing shit for her eventual return, the situation doesn't get Emmalina'd. Although we've already been waiting months for them to do something with her, just without the constant promise of CUMMIN' SOON Y'ALL.

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY SHITTY.

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posted on 12-17-2019 at 02:57 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
They need to have a jobber put their hand in the cage. Then start screaming and gushing blood from a severed wrist-stump like something out of Sam Peckinpah's Salad Days.





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Watching that Rowan match and something came to mind....I miss the days when jobbers/carpenters/enhancement talent were a bit hairier and beefier. They were older (20-30 years old) and pudgy/semi-muscular enough to make it seem like they have more than a 50% chance of getting some offense in. Nowadays they all look like scared & skrawny 12 year olds. This must be a part of Vince's big man fetish...watching them muscle over hairless, lithe, young, skinny boys.

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posted on 12-17-2019 at 03:01 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The only thing in Rowan's cage I'd really accept at this point that could keep my interest would be Bray's head lantern given to him by The Fiend hisself for safekeeping. Or maybe Liv Morgan is in there?

Not his hand, Missuh Feetz.

Oh good, more of this shit.





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We'll get angle synergy and a valid, compelling reason for this garbage will be found inside.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 03:06 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
This trashy-Floridian miscegenation angle is especially stupid.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 03:07 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I can safely say that they could drop this angle now and I'd never complain. I once thought it had the chance to go super stupid, but in a fun way. It's mostly just gone super stupid in a stupid way, and I never want Lana to be on TV ever again in any capacity.





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Looks like watching RAW tonight is my punishment for being a lifelong asshole.







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posted on 12-17-2019 at 03:16 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Thank [Deity Of Choice] for R-Truth. I wish Vince had the stones to put the WWE or Universal title on him somewhere down the line, if only for a month or so.





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posted on 12-17-2019 at 03:22 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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posted on 12-17-2019 at 03:47 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Oh shit, gauntlet match!

R-Truth is amazing and Im happy Tozawa is on my TV.





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