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posted on 9-7-2019 at 07:57 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
IT: CHAPTER 2

So this one has probably been on most of our "want to see" lists since last years pretty decent Chapter 1 came out; so I went into this one with pretty high expectations... and it's...

It's not very good.

It's not bad either... They just make some weird decisions that not only make this one a bit of a mess, but they do it in such a way that it almost infects the first movie because surprise there was a whole bunch of other stuff that happened during that late 80's summer setting of the first movie. They also seem to sacrifice a lot of scares in favour of laughs... I think it was King himself (who has a fun cameo) once said something to the effect of the two hardest things to write are comedy and horror; because in the hands of amateurs comedy can become horror, and horror can become comedy... This is on full effect here, but what maybe makes it worse is that they steered into it so hard with deliberate laughs that rob a lot of scenes, and by default the over arching movie, of their horror.

I'm still hung up on the lack of symmetry to that they steered away from in the movie adaptations from the well done book... Like there was something interesting in the book about how Pennywise attacks the children via the horrors of childhood, and they in turn are able to use the power of their imagination to best him in the 50's; It's this that somehow makes them gang banging Beverly down in the sewers seem less like they were re-enacting Ninja Turtle porn and more completing a right of passage; which means that when they face a much more "real" IT when they are adults everything is much more visceral... The attempt to re-use the tools of childhood that they used to best IT the first time fail (disastrously for some), leaving them to both literally and figuratively fight, claw, and tear to take down the monster... Unlike the book the first movie ends with them basically going to town and jaw jacking IT with any physical weapon they could find, and the seconds... well, not to veer too far into spoilers involved something akin to bullying him to death, a problem that plagues mostly children.

They also seem to throw a lot of stuff in there that felt out of place, even if it's hinted at in the book... Like we get a bunch of stuff that ultimately goes nowhere, and leads to a lot of kinda "off" interactions.

There's some good in there... great even; Bill Hader as mentioned in every review was quite excellent; but as much as I normally like James MacAvoy he was just collecting a cheque here... Jessica Chastain was better, but also looked bored most of the time. The guy they got to play Ben had zero charisma... He's not worthy of sniffing John Ritter's jock strap. The guy who plays Eddie was pretty good... the resembles between him and his childhood version is eerie. The movie looks good for the most part; there's some cool imagination on display here, but some of the CGI is meh...

Maybe because it was on a week night and a long movie during a late show 2 different couples walked out on the epilogues... Not usually a good sign for a must see movie if people are willing to skip out on the last ten minutes. Like I said though, it's not bad movie... it's satisfying in its own way, they just make a lot of choices that feel like they were working towards in all the wrong ways; its a bit more maddening because you can tell they are huge fans; all through this movie and the last there were small references to The Turtle; a running theme in several of Kings books.

I'd say see the movie; if you liked the first it's a conclusion to it and I can see it being more enjoyable for some... I think from a structure and acting standpoint I much preferred the 1990 TV movie... Somewhere out there maybe the two meet and give us something great.

Here's a bizarre fact in closing... There's a third adaptation of IT that came out in 1998 and it's Bollywood!

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posted on 9-8-2019 at 09:51 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I saw It Chapter Two this weekend and agree with your analysis Flash. It's decent but not great and I can't say I have any real desire to watch it again in the immediate future. Which is too bad, because I enjoyed the first movie and had high hopes for the sequel, but it just felt overlong and there were certain aspects of it that I thought didn't work.

And without getting too spoilery, I was pretty disappointed with It's final form at the end. I was hoping for something grotesque, like the Alien queen meets Cthulu meets a spider, and it wasn't that.

Also, I read that they digitally de-aged some of the kids for the flashback scenes which is amazing, because I totally didn't notice (though I did wonder during the movie how they did the flashback scenes, since obviously the child actors would have aged a lot in the two years since the first movie was filmed).





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Agree with you guys. The bullying thing just turned me off to the whole thing. Spoiler at the bottom*

Also, I figured that they filmed all of the child parts when they filmed the first one as the only difference I saw was the plump kid Ben looked a little plumpier.

One last thing: in the first movie they had the child’s part of Dear God by XTC playing during a montage toward the end where the kids were doing kid stuff. I thought it was a no-brainer to add at least one stanza (not the final 12 or so lines at the end) as a call back in this one while also having the lyrics work. Of course, they didn’t which makes me wonder why the first one had it in there. More music in the first one too but I guess that was just to remind you that “hey, it’s the 80’s!” Oh, and I loved the Lost Boys poster in the hideout that was like the hideout in The Lost Boys that had a poster of Jim Morrison. Not sure if that’s why they used that poster but that’s what I immediately thought of.









*Spoiler:Bullying kills Evil Personified? Huh? When he started saying “I am the Eater of Worlds” and they kept heckling him I just rolled my eyes. It turned this badass monster into a human and he wasn’t, regardless of what kind of face he wore.

[Edited on 9-9-2019 by CVD39]

[Edited on 9-10-2019 by CVD39]

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posted on 9-9-2019 at 10:10 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Add me to the "disappointed" camp.

I rewatched Chapter 1 Friday night before seeing Chapter 2 yesterday, and had recently finished re-reading the book (I think this was 4th time on it) in anticipation of this.

It was long. As in loooooooooooooooooong. And it felt long. Long movies are fine if they don't feel long. This felt long.


The child -> adult casting was great. I'm not commenting on the performances - just the physical and mannerism characteristics between them.

Loved the Lost Boys poster as well. In the first one, the Cult's "Love Removal Machine" playing in an early scene was my throwback highlight. This was that in Chapter 2.


I just checked Rotten Tomatoes and it is 64% with critics, 80% with audiences. The first was 86% critics, 84% audiences. The critics falloff seems about right. The audiences must have been high for round 2...





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Originally posted by williamssl
Add me to the "disappointed" camp.

I rewatched Chapter 1 Friday night before seeing Chapter 2 yesterday, and had recently finished re-reading the book (I think this was 4th time on it) in anticipation of this.

It was long. As in loooooooooooooooooong. And it felt long. Long movies are fine if they don't feel long. This felt long.


The child -> adult casting was great. I'm not commenting on the performances - just the physical and mannerism characteristics between them.

Loved the Lost Boys poster as well. In the first one, the Cult's "Love Removal Machine" playing in an early scene was my throwback highlight. This was that in Chapter 2.


I just checked Rotten Tomatoes and it is 64% with critics, 80% with audiences. The first was 86% critics, 84% audiences. The critics falloff seems about right. The audiences must have been high for round 2...


I also re-watched Chapter 1 this weekend and loved Love Removal Machine in it. I’ve heard a lot of people complaining about the CGI being bad and the director not being a very good director and the de-aging thing and some of the acting being meh but honestly, with the exception of Pennywise turning into a pussy at the end, I enjoyed it and would love a director’s cut that added some extra scenes.

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Another thing that kinda irked me about IT2 was (I guess this is technically a SPOILER: The kid that started picking on the gay dudes at the very beginning seemed like he was young enough to be killed by Pennywise but we never see him or his older buddies again. So I’m wondering if PW was “using” them to explain how some people were disappearing (by which I mean using them without their knowledge as subterfuge) or if they were under his spell (doubtful) or what. Thought that they’d make another appearance but then nothing. And the guy who saw his boyfriend get killed by PW was ok? He didn’t explain to the cops that some clown with 534 huge teeth ate his buddy while 99 red balloons floated by even if it was just a hallucination of sorts? Woulda been nice to see him in the insane asylum scene talking about a clown or something but nope, I guess he just went about his day. Am I missing something?
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posted on 9-11-2019 at 10:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I get to be "guy who read the book and nitpicks the book vs. the movie":

MAYBE SPOILER IF INTEND TO READ THE BOOK BUT HAVEN'T:

One of the very early scenes in the book (and the first of the "flash forward 27 years later") was the death of Adrian Mellon and the subsequent questioning/interrogation by police of Don (the dude he was with) and a couple of the attackers, all of whom witnessed IT killing Adrian in the same violent fashion that happened in the movie.

The police dismiss all of the clown and balloon comments, none of it comes up in trial, and 2 of the attackers are sentenced to prison...and Don leaves town.


Anyhow, that was the little arc there which had a beginning/middle/end.


Maybe there's some additional stuff on cutting room floors that we see in the DVD/expanded cut release. Maybe they decided that what they had was sufficient to get Chapter 2 going and establish that Pennywise was back before moving on to Mike contacting everyone. I'm guessing the latter but would love to see the former as a book purist.

[Edited on 9-11-2019 by williamssl]





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Thanks for the info. Maybe it was more of a Easter Egg to readers of the book (and showing that PW is back). And yeah, I’m hoping that there’s at least an answer in a directors cut that explains why nothing seemed to come of it. Because in the first one kids were going missing and there’s a least fliers around and police were at least on campus at the last day of school. In the new one, nobody seemed to care. Even Bill let’s that kid ride off with just a warning to leave the city with his parents.

[Edited on 9-12-2019 by CVD39]

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