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posted on 6-8-2018 at 04:39 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Caps win.

Angstboy (or was it Borntorun?) should be happy.

Another generational #1 pick has won a Cup. Stamkos is still waiting. So is McDavid. If it takes 13 years for Matthews to get a cup for the Leafs, so be it.

Bring on screaming / cursing Ovie gifs.

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posted on 6-8-2018 at 04:58 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Vegas winning would have been a better historical story, I could care less about Washington. A dull crappy series compared to how much fun the previous three rounds were. Glad it's all over for four months at least.





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posted on 6-8-2018 at 05:50 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Happy for Alex Chopinsky...er... Ovechkin (that joke is so inside).

Not Happy cuz, like, Washington Wins The Cup is a meeeeeh story if you're not a fan or DC resident.

At least Lord Stanley's Silverware was presented for the first time in the middle of a desert. Phoenix, you had, like, twenty phucking years to make that happen, and phailed miserably. Give the Christ up, and send your stanky team to Quebec City, please? Thank you.

(Yes, I'm still pissed that the Nordiques moved to goddamn Denver.)

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posted on 6-8-2018 at 06:28 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Count Zero......send your stanky team to Quebec City, please?........


We could send you the Calgary Flames organization if you want them but that isn't something I'd want to lay on even my worst enemy.





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posted on 6-8-2018 at 03:40 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Caps win.

Angstboy (or was it Borntorun?) should be happy.

Another generational #1 pick has won a Cup. Stamkos is still waiting. So is McDavid. If it takes 13 years for Matthews to get a cup for the Leafs, so be it.

Bring on screaming / cursing Ovie gifs.


Angst. And yeah - even though I'm not a Caps fan, I'm happy for him. And it's nice to see Ovie - someone I'd consider one of the greats of our time - finally get a Cup.





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posted on 6-9-2018 at 04:28 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
That's kind of how I feel; Nice story for Ovie and a few others (I think there was a blurb about how TJ Oshie's dad is suffering early onset alzheimers, so nice he could see this while his faculties are still sharp)... But that ultimately Vegas winning would have been the better team story.

I know that we're only 24 hours removed from seasons end; but this is looking like a crazy summer; Islanders just turfed their brass and still have Tavares to contend with; Karlsson in Ottawa, Subban in Nashville, Kessel in Pittsburgh, and Lucic in Edmonton are all names thought to be on the move this summer, nevermind a few intriguing free agents hitting the market this summer.

One story I thought was a bit out of left field was that Austen Matthews just signed on with a different agency... You know that has to chap his old one agent given the deal he'll be signing this summer that they will now no longer be getting a cut of, but really... given his numbers and role on the Leafs you'd think this would be a pretty straightforward deal... Not McDavid numbers, but maybe a bit better than Eichel money? So somewhere in between $10-$12.5 m a year for 8 years.

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posted on 6-27-2018 at 10:43 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
What's in an NHL contract?

TSN did a cool little calculator https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tavares-calculator that kind of breaks down exactly how a big money contract like Tavares would work out...

The immediate take away is how much these guys lose; for example were Tavares to sign a 7 year $70m contract ($10 aav) the amount of money he would take home at the end of the deal would differ radically depending on where he'd sign... For example over the life of the deal he'd pay about $37.2 million in taxes in Toronto, but "only" pay about $25.6 million in either Tampa or Dallas.

Throw in the what... %10-15 cut their agents take (probably before taxes?), insurance (which can be in the millions), and the whole NHL escrow payments and what sounds like massive contracts quickly get whittled down.

Not saying that any of these guys should be crying poor, but when you figure on say $70m and walk away with less than half that that's a big hit.

The article does point out that it creates a bunch of weird side considerations... like how Tampa or Dallas could actually pay Tavares less but he'd still take home more if you swing the numbers right... Or that while Toronto is at a disadvantage for taxes NHL contracts are paid in US dollars and all of his expenses would be in Canadian dollars (to say nothing of him already living in Toronto during the off season). Toronto would also offer far more in endorsement opportunities.

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posted on 6-28-2018 at 09:14 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Guys like Sundin or Gilmour making bank post retirement thanks to being connected to Toronto playoff runs is one thing. But guys like Domi and Tucker do well too. Marner is already cashing in, and Matthews as well.

Now imagine those guys value if they get to the 3rd round. The Leafs were the 3rd best team in the East this past year (they had to play the 2nd best because...Betteman). Upgrading Tyler Bozak to Tavares SHOULD make the Buds better than Boston.

That being said...I think he goes to San Jose. Weaker division. Better d. Quality goalie. They'd be a top 3 team in the west with JT. Path to conference finals is pretty open. And the Sharks would match up well with either the Preds or Jets.

Regardless, the best part of this offseason is Tavares not willing to be pitched by the Habs, and Ottawa being the joke of the league.

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posted on 6-29-2018 at 08:46 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Man, what happened in Ottawa?

I mean seriously, you've got your assistant GM now suspended due to him being up on charges for touching a 19 year old, you had to trade away a perennial 20 goal scorer (Hoffman) for pennies on the dollar because your captain's (Karlsson) wife has a restraining order out against Hoffman's significant other, and the former face of your franchise (Alfredsson) walking away because the teams owner is a clown...

Even feel good stories like last year with goalie Anderson seem to be coming to a an end as his name is also now linked to trade rumours.

As much as I think Ottawa owes it to their fans to try and keep their captain and face of the franchise, a fresh start might be best all around for everyone.

You might be onto something about Tavares BFG... I can see why SJ would be a very attractive option, although with Burns, Vlasic, and Kane eating up big bucks, and a Couture extension rumoured (he's making $6m now, so probably going to get a raise) adding in another big name might make them have to pinch with the rest of the roster, or leave little room if they develop some 2nd or 3rd line talent in years to come... Although Pavelski might be sacrificed (1 year left) but Tavares would be an upgrade there, and Thornton is a UFA this summer so if they want him back it'd only be a 1 year deal and the numbers can probably be played it to make it fit... Beside, SJ has like $18m in cap room this year per capgeek. With the cap going up each year and the room SJ has I don't see why you wouldn't go all in on a 27 year old like Tavares, they don't come along every year.

I'm curious; if Tavares spurns Toronto does Toronto then wind up paying a bit more for their own in house guys?

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Kings have apparently come to terms with Drew Doughty on an 8 year $88 million dollar extension. You gotta figure that even at a comparable $11m/yr salary that puts Karlsson and his two to Doughty's one Norris Trophy out of Ottawa's price range... although really, they had to figure he'd be getting at least $10, so what's another million?

Doughty and Karlsson are in a special class of defensemen but still, you gotta figure even your average top four D-man is going to get around $5m now which will make how teams spend their cap dollars all the more crucial.

Let's say the Leafs snag Tavares... Would you consider maybe a deal with like a Carolina and send Nylander and maybe someone else (Leivo and a pick?) there in exchange for Hamilton (3 years left at $5.75) and Skinner (1 year left at $5m)... Hamilton would be the centrepiece for Toronto, but I think Nylander is worth more than Hamilton alone... Skinner is hot and cold sometimes but him on say Tavares wing could be pretty good. Not that I'd want to trade Nylander, but of the big 3 franchise pieces of the Leafs he strikes me as the one I'd consider moving out (also the most rumoured) if it meant getting a long term D-man in the mix and something else of substance, and again that would also be contingent on them getting a Tavares like player up the middle which could give you:

Hyman Matthews Brown
Skinner Tavares Marleau
Brown Kadri Marner
Kapanen, Gauthier, Grundstrom, Martin... ect on fourth line and spot duty.

Feel free to change that around as needed... Then a D-corps of Reilly, Hamilton, Gardiner, Zaitzev, Hainsey, and Dermott/other guys breaking in.

Otherwise maybe if they miss out on Tavares they could look at bolstering the D with Moore, Sustr or Sbisa(who'd be my last choice of the three)... all are only 27; not flashy but come out of more defensively minded teams and will probably do well on July 1, but not break the bank type money either.

ETA: Really though; I'm curious to see what the Leafs do... I mean they've got 3 great young players up front and a bunch of really good players... D remains their glaring weakness but help is seamingly in the pipeline in the form of Liligren, Dermott, Nielsen, and now Sandin, but outside of maybe Derott they're all years away so you don't want to do anything to screw up what is likely to be a very good team for years, but with about $18m in cap space how do you not try and grab a player now to make a run for the cup.

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posted on 6-30-2018 at 02:09 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Here is what the Leafs lineup may look like if they donít add any players:

Hyman Matthews Brown
Marleau Kadri Marner
Johnsson Nylander Kapanen
Martin Gautier Leivo

Riley Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermitt Carrick

Andersen / McElhinney

Thatís a playoff team, with potential for more if Nylander strives at centre. Plus the odds of Zaitsev not being a shell of his rookie self is high. Dude was never the same last year after the injury/flu 1-2 gut punch.

With JT, the forwards are likely this:

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Marleau Tavares Marner
Johnsson Kadri Brown
Leivo Gauthier Kapanen

I donít think Toronto would go for Hamilton. Justin Faulk? Maybe. Either way I donít think Carolina would get Nylander.

A package of Sparks (Carolina needs to improve their goaltending, Sparks dominated the AHL), a prospect (Marlies are loaded with good wingers), and a 2nd round pick would be a reasonable starting offer for Faulk.

And the Leafs can sign Tavares without giving up anybody. Considering Gardiner/Hainsey will be gone after next year thatís another 7 million in cap space freed up to add to their current 24 in cap space.

Matthews 11 million
Tavares 11 million
Marner 8 million
Nylander 6.5 million

Thatís 5.5 million more than theyíd have. Putting Horton on LTIR frees up the space.

The year after Marleau comes off the books. Which will help with depth etc. Plus the cap will likely go up each year due to the NHLPA having the inflator option.

One other thing...I wouldnít be shocked if Nylander signs a bridge contract this summer. Heís looking at less than Pasternakís 6.66 a year based off of his current play. If he scores 30 goals each year the next 2 years, heíll go up to 7.5-8.5 a year.

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I guess they could swing keeping them all, and yeah; they've got cash coming off the books over the next few years... So we'll see; still, kinda surprised that they'd let Nylander get to July 1... Offer sheets are seldom seen, but for the kind of young talent that he is I wouldn't want someone else setting the conversation on terms for you.

For what it's worth I think the numbers on Leafs players will be higher... I'm betting Matthews comes in around $12m, and Marner and Nylander wouldn't surprise me if they came in around $9m apiece... Not that either are necessarily "worth" that right now, but the trend with younger players has generally been towards 8 year extensions which will mean they will give up a year of UFA, and the deals will be structured to be more in line with pay later in the contracts... Toews and Kane are probably comparables... Not so much in terms of play style, but more how their $10.5 million dollar deals seemed astronomical in the beginning, but by the end of them will probably be about right for the finish. No one wants to be another Duncan Keith and get stuck on a way below market value deal, especially with the cap having gone up every year and a 32nd NHL team on the horizon to bump up league profits even further... Amazing that a decade ago many teams were crying poor at around $50-60m a year payrolls, and that's the cap floor now.

It looks like Tavares has probably moved on from the Islanders given that we're after midnight now and there's no news of him signing (if he signed before midnight he could have had an 8th year added to the deal instead of 7 that he can now only sign for with any team), which will make him (per TSN) the first major superstar player in their prime to leave they drafting team since Scott Niedermayer did it more than a decade ago... If the Islanders are out then that leaves us about 11 hours until we find out which of the 5 remaining teams (Dallas, SJ, TB, Toronto, and Boston) will be landing him...

JVR is being linked to Philly as per this writing... I would assume it will be a max 7 year deal, but I'm a bit surprised that the rumoured amount is "only" $7m a year... that's only about $1.5 more than he got on his old deal, and with his track record of consistently scoring in the high 20's for goals (nevermind getting into the 30's twice) I figured he'd come in around $8m... Maybe it's because he's 29, and thus would be older at the end of the deal than the other UFA's available?

Jeez, remember when NHL UFA didn't start until 31 and that didn't seem like that big of a deal or old?

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posted on 7-1-2018 at 11:55 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Holy crap... Tavares coming to Toronto is one of those things I just didn't even want to let myself THINK was possible as I didn't want to be disappointed; but holy crap... That's a pretty potent 3 punch Toronto has up the middle not seen in the league since Crosby, Malkin, Staal.

Behind that the second biggest surprise has probably got to be the restraint shown today by NHL GM's... There were a few big dollar deals handed out (Statsny, JVR) but even they were for shorter terms (3 and 5 years respectively)... Even the limited D-men available signed for less than expected (Moore).

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posted on 7-2-2018 at 06:36 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Flames are markedly stronger on paper now with their four recent acquisitions than they were at the end of their terrible last season. Then again they were very strong on paper at the beginning of their terrible last season. History repeats, fans go numb and/or alcoholic, at least Edmonton will probably suck more again, yadda yadda yadda.

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I think what the Flames have going for them more now is a bit more versatility; They've got guys who can play in a few different positions and up and down the line up on any given night. I don't know if that will translate into being a playoff team, but it should help them along the stretch and if they get into the playoffs help them a lot more there.

I still think this was a fluke year for the Oilers... yeah they looked terrible last year, but going into last season a lot of experts were calling them a cup favourite. I don't know if I'd go that far anymore, but hard to write off any team that boasts the best player in the league. I like the Brodziak deal; short term and adds nice depth to their roster.

St. Louis and Buffalo swung a big deal today; O'Reilly winds up with the Blues and the Sabres wind up with a nice haul which should help them... probably not out of the bottom half of the league, but in the next year or two as some of their back end talent develops further. Blues get a #1 centre; curious how he plays with Tarasenko, but even if the chemistry isn't there the Blues have a number of options that should work along side him... Nice pick up for them that should make them a playoff threat.

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Oilers are still saddled with Lucic though, and that guy is the biggest waste of space on the ice and on the salary cap too in the entire league. Oilers fans will still be themselves too no matter how bad the team turns out to be again, McDavid and maybe Draisatl notwithstanding, and basically come out with their usual attitude "aww yeah, don't even bother to play the season, just give us the Cup now because we're so awesome". Being stuck three hours down the highway from this nonsense gets fairly tedious after about the last twenty years of hearing it every opening October.

As for Calgary, it will be the coaching and not the quality of the players this time around. If they're smart enough to not put defensive stiffs on the powerplay again, like they did all last year, instead of puck-movers then they stand a chance to be much better. If it's the same manta though of defense-uber-alles again then the same thing this year as last year will repeat again. Yes, everyone on the ice has a responsibility to do their best defensive part when the other team has the puck, but if you turn it into a mantra where your shooters are being forced to think about the next three defensive plays even when they've got possession then you've effectively crippled your offense again. This has been the worst thing about the NHL since New Jersey ruined everything with the center-ice trap. Now someone gets eighty points and they call it a magnificent year when twenty-odd or thirty years ago for a lot of players eighty points would be a big disappointment. It sure knocked a lot of the fun out of the game since then.

EDIT for HOLY FUCK! moment - today the Flames signed James Neal, one of the highlight players from the Golden Knights first season to a five-year deal; ownership must have agreed to open the wallet and go for broke because this is no lower than an A-minus free agent signing.

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Good move by the Flames...their division is winnable. Tkachuk getting bumped to 3rd line is interesting. Do you think they try and move a guy like Sam Bennett? And I'm guessing they move on from Stajan who was never the same after leaving Toronto.

And the Oilers should be better if guys like Nurse, Larsson, and Sekera return to form. It would appear their GM thinks that's likely as Klefbom seems to be available. If he was a right handed d, there'd be an easy move sending him to the Leafs for McDavid's junior line mate, Connor Brown.

Also...trying not to be that guy, but how silly is it that a 20 goal guy who kills penalties like Brown is possibly doomed for another year as a 4th line / utility forward for the Leafs. Honestly I think Brown is the main reason everybody keeps saying the Leafs will trade Nylander. But unless it's for a guy like Pietrangelo or Ekblad there's no reason to give away Nylander.

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Yeah, I don't know what the deal with Brown is, but he seems to have break out potential, or at least the versatility that they should be using him in more situations... Maybe that's why he was rumoured to be trade bait going into last year's expansion draft. I'd only move Nylander for a top flight D-man, but I can't see Ekblad or Pieterangelo being on the block even for someone with Nylander's talent (Although I'd gladly welcome either to the Leafs)... Maybe a package of some kind out of Anaheim, or as I mentioned in one of my above posts Carolina has options.

I wonder what Florida is doing... They still have Luongo and Reimer signed, but then went out and signed Hutchinson for $1.3m... I can't see anyone wanting either Luongo or Reimer's contracts, so I can't see a trade being imminent. Given that the Panthers have less than $5m in cap space for this season (that changes dramatically next year) it just seems odd to bring in a third goalie.

I like the Neal signing for Calgary, and I think it will help them for the next few seasons but I'm glad it's only for 5 years... He'll be 31 when the deal starts and I could see him production dropping off after a couple of years and while not one dimensional, he's not a huge point producer beyond goals. What worries me is that the Flames have $12m in cap space left with Hanafin, Lindholm, and probable backup Jon Gillies all needing contracts... There should be more than enough to cover them but that doesn't leave a lot left if say Mike Smith needs help. Curious to see what they do with Bennett... Way, way too early to call him a bust, but he's probably at that point in his career when he either needs more ice time to see if he progresses beyond the third line or a fresh start... but with Calgary's likely cap situation I wouldn't trade him as they likely can't afford what would make him worth dealing away... But with Jankowski, Klimchuk, and Foo all probably looking for NHL ice time on the wings, and Calgary's other off season pick ups being more useful up the middle it might make for a bit of a log jam.

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For all the criticism he took Stajan did the best he could in Calgary. It was unfortunate that he ended up taking the heat for a really bad trade when Phaneuf was sent to Toronto; that was Flames management's failure, as usual, not Stajan's. That series-winner he scored against Vancouver three years ago will never be forgotten though, and he entirely deserved to be the one to score it considering that his family had lost their little boy a few months earlier to a sudden death. Given his age and that they have to give these spots to the younger guys so they can develop there's really no choice but the let the older guys on the team like Stajan go. Pure numbers game and they can't risk wrecking the younger guys by not giving them the game time they need.

As for Bennett, and maybe Backlund too, the coaches that stymied them with not enough ice time are gone. If they are given the opportunity by the new system they have to seize it. Bennett in particular is too potentially good to waste with lack of game time. If he gets that time this year he has to use it the best he can. If he doesn't he'll probably be gone by the trade deadline, depending on where the team is sitting in the standings, or be released next summer. I hope it works out because he was certainly creating a lot of interest among the fans earlier in last season before the doldrums the Gulutzan system had created ended up demoralizing the entire team.





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Derek Ryan and Lindholm beat out Stajan by being younger and better at the draw, but in saying that Stajan's 51% face off percentage should mean that he could find some work somewhere likely on a 1 year deal for cheap... in saying that; while a 51% draw puts him in the top 50 for face off percentages at 34 and with little point production over the last few years you gotta figure GM's would be more likely to go with a younger talent who might just be "okay" in the circle, but have more of an upside.

Curious to see what he does... he's made some damn good money over his career (about $30m less taxes and all that other stuff), so does he really want to chase some PTA deal to maybe make a team for another year or two at best? In saying that maybe he still loves playing, so who knows.

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Just checked, and the Flordia Hutchinson contract is a 2 way deal- 1.3 million at both the NHL and AHL levels... Florida only has 1 other guy in net down on the farm and he's still developing, so I guess it's just to add some depth in net.

Carolina singed Calvin De Haan today which will give them 5 D-men making more than $4m apiece with Trevor Van Riemsdyk still to be signed (he's arbitration entitled too)... Checked his stats and he finished with a +9 on a bad Carolina team in 79 games, and they traded took on Marcus Krueger's bad contract (a Carolina is one of the more frugal teams in the league) in exchange for TVR, so you gotta figure he's in the plans, and is probably in line for a raise to round out their top six, with Haydn Fleury probably looking for more ice time after having made it into 67 games last year... So maybe Faulk will be on the move.

Carolina has more problems than that: Jeff Skinner and Jason WIlliams are both in the last years of their contracts and Skinner was apprently set to be traded but vetoed it using his no trade clause... The loss of Skinner up front would hurt an already really weak forward line up on paper and leave the Hurricanes scrambling for next season as it looks like they'll need to spend quite a bit just to get to the cap floor.

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posted on 7-9-2018 at 03:28 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Leafs recently signed former Sabre, and recently bought out Wild player Tyler Ennis to a 1 year $650k deal. Ennis has had problems getting into the Wild line up and has been pretty snake bitten since some concussion issues, but is a 3 time 20 goal scorer in the league... So for the cost it's not a bad chance to take for a 28 year old one time first round pick. Toronto also recently traded Matt Martin back to the Islanders... while a popular Leaf in the dressing room, he's had problems sticking in the lineup and with a $2.5 million cap hit he ate up more salary space than his play time warranted. In saying that; because Toronto already paid Martin's bonuses he was easy to trade as he only has 2 years left, gives teams a nice cap hit that are looking for that, but is also dirt cheap in "real" dollars... ie what they actually have to pay him.

The moves give Toronto 10-11 forwards with a good shot of making it (Including Leivo who should hopefully finally get a full time shot), with three or four guys like Lindholm, Grundstrom, Gauthier, and Kapanen all slugging it out to stick in the bigs.

The destruction of Ottawa continues as while the Sens did offer Karlsson an extension as promised, they did also give him and his agent permission to talk with other teams despite having a year left on his deal. Right now Tampa is the rumoured front runner to land him but things like Ottawa trying to include Bobby Ryan's contract (and I'm assuming that is no longer the case because...) and Tampa's lack of cap room requiring a third team to get involved are holding things up. The rumoured solution is that the NYR are in the mix to get Ryan Callahan, their one time captain back from the Bolts.

Karlsson has a cap hit of $6.5m for this coming season, and then will likely land a Doughty similar deal of $11m per year... The Bolts have about $3m in room for this season, so trading Callahan would allow them to make the necessary room for this year, but landing Karlsson will likely mean that one or more of Stralman, Coburn, or Giradi will probably be out. Looking at their depth chart they do have Sergachev in the mix who should be stepping up soon, although you gotta figure for a player of Karlsson's caliber the Bolts are going to have to give up something good beyond just late first round picks... So Cal Foote would be the centre piece I'd go for... maybe Cirelli and Raddysh would be intriguing.

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