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* Apparently, there is a fair bit of heat on Paul Heyman due to the fact that he often makes changes and ad libs much of his promos and segments with Brock. Creative provides Heyman with a script, but Heyman is allowed by Vince to make changes as he sees fit. Apparently the writers dislike being overruled and have passed their grievances on to management.





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Creative provides Heyman with a script, but Heyman is allowed by Vince to make changes as he sees fit. Apparently the writers dislike being overruled and have passed their grievances on to management.

The writers are quite often terrible at making compelling wrestling drama. Heyman is basically a legend and has a decent track record in making compelling wrestling drama. The writers need to know their role and shut their mouths.





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posted on 9-13-2017 at 08:48 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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The writers are quite often terrible at making compelling wrestling drama. Heyman is basically a legend and has a decent track record in making compelling wrestling drama. The writers need to know their role and shut their mouths.


Seriously! The contrived and stilted dialogue they force upon the talent is atrocious and appalling! I hate how the block talent during backstage segments. If someone is watching the monitor backstage or having a conversation, they are always standing at an angle, facing the camera, and talking with staring sideways. Then the dribble comes out. "When you [first name, last name] almost beat me within an inch of my life and WWE's Great Balls of Fire..."

Complaining to management? Get the F outta here. They should be thanking management for allowing Paul E. to use his Midas touch and turn their shit into gold.

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I wonder if it's just petty jealously. The writers work overtime writing a show and then rewriting to accomodate Vince's ideas and whims constantly shuffling back and forth to appease their masters while Heyman has the blessing from the man himself to do whatever.
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The blocking thing reminds me a bit of what I thought was a good idea from Nash in one of those you-shoots or guest booker he does all of the time; the WWE (and as I've said before the brand split was a perfect time to test some of this out both to make the shows distinct and to just even try out new ideas for the whole company) should introduce two different camera filters- go to HD for the in ring action- something for the interviews, and then some different look for the behind the scenes, breaking the fourth wall bit- He gave an example about how you could start with a backstage promo, but then follow two guys passing by after the promo for their scheming bit.

I liked this as I thought the colour differential would solve the whole age old why are the heels scheming in front of the camera and no one notices as they could recondition this with the fans that this is "real" behind the scenes stuff... the story telling stuff- it would also let you package more stuff together for your entertainment story building stuff, and then let you have longer matches in the ring without the need to constantly cut to the back for different things.

Watching the Cena and Reigns free for all and Roman struggling at times is probably just going to underscore in Vince's mind the need to stay with scripted promos... which is a shame, as you listen to a lot of the industry guys talk about this and they say that those awkward sink or swim moments are the best teacher and make you better in the long run... plus; the WWE has no excuse for guys to not be a bit better on the mic as they run several house shows a week where you could give guys a free hand to try out promos minus the TV... not saying everyone is going to turn into the Rock, Dusty, or Flair, but it would go a long way towards helping them to get better, and every arena has a PA system.

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You know - with the Cena - Reigns stuff - if Reigns has the chops to ad lib they really need to let him do it. Another segment of the two of them going back and forth and Reigns stopping and saying something along the lines of "This writing is shit." and then cutting his own promo is the way to save his character and this angle from going to shit. Roman winning after looking like a chump for the whole program is going to be terrible payoff.





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The scripted promos are here to stay for two reasons:

1. The WWE doesn't want someone going out and ad libbing and saying something offensive to sponsors or shareholders.

2. Since NXT, all new talent have been conditioned to deliver word for word scripted promos. There are very few guys on the roster anymore capable of going out and delivering a kick ass, improvised promo.





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I tend to agree that Scripty McPromoface is going to be a WWE Universe Member forever, but there's one thing I wonder.

HHH loves him some 'classic' wrestling. When somebody in the Dev Center studies "The Masters" (i.e. those generally regarded as great mic artists), and can demonstrate proficiency to The Hs, will that person get to John Cena on people?

Basically, what I'm saying is that it's -possible- (but not necessarily likely) that the WWE homegrows some promo wizards. The existence (and 'acceptance' ) of scripted promos does, however, seem to give them a way to cover up somebody's weakness without having to employ a manager: if Wrestler X can manage the bare-minimum WWE Talking Style, then s/he can rely on other attributes to tip the scales.

Yes, we miss managers, but they've also decided that they're not interested in that -- a whole other discussion, that one is.

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Fuck the writer monkeys. Seriously though.

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You know - with the Cena - Reigns stuff - if Reigns has the chops to ad lib they really need to let him do it. Another segment of the two of them going back and forth and Reigns stopping and saying something along the lines of "This writing is shit." and then cutting his own promo is the way to save his character and this angle from going to shit. Roman winning after looking like a chump for the whole program is going to be terrible payoff.


This whole Reigns being left to sink or swim against a guy who can genuinely talk is yet another in a long line of the WWE not doing any favours for someone they push as their top guy... I mean just the number of times where they have put him in a position to fail, or further alienate fans is bizarre...

This whole feud is a bit weird, which is a shame because it should be a good match, and it's very much a generational matchup; but:

*It's happening with little build up on a "off" PPV.

*Reigns is being left out to dry looking like he's inept

*The guy skewering him is/has been painted for years as being over pushed by the company at the expense of others as well.

*They are forcing the two guys biggest supporters- women and children to choose between them

*At 40, and with one foot out the door to a burgeoning post-WWE career Cena's whole I still need to be here, came back to be here because you couldn't get the job done is crap as we know he's leaving again.

*Their main fight seems to be over who sells more tickets and T-shirts... does anyone outside of the WWE care about this? What's more- claims about how business has never been better are weak when pictures of the arena from Anaheim (last week... two weeks ago) show MANY empty seats and whole sections roped off.

*They seem to want to win fans over to Roman by having him beat respected legends, while simultaneously putting him in positions to be booed so we'd boo others less (Orton, Rumble), and putting him out there on his own when you know talking isn't his best strength. Meanwhile he's at his most loved when he gets beat down, or does something pretty heelish like driving the ambulance into a truck with Braun inside.

I can honestly say that Reigns has busted his ass and had some of the years best matches over the last stretch- Can't say I love the over-push he gets, but the guys work is up to par for it and he's won me over.... but I can't for the life of me figure out why the WWE keeps putting him in spots where you can't help but hate the guy.... not in a heel way, but in a I don't want to see him or the WWE succeed (in this particular instance) kind of way.

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I won't claim to be objective about any of this but I think that these last three promo sessions are actually the best Reigns has ever done. Yes, Cena is much better and Roman definitely botched the one moment. But he's also getting his own shots in too and, as has been said before, the weakness is coming from the scripted lines he's forced to use and not from his overall delivery and presentation. I'm not going to condemn the guy anymore over things like this just because it's the smark trend of the moment to do so. Getting tired of this in general, being pulled one way to the other by an IWC composed of fuckwits* trying to get the last word in on everything that the industry produces. Yeah, they botched the Reigns booking with pushing Daniel Bryan down and followed it up with the Royal Rumble debacles. That's not forgivable with this trend it kicked off but it's also about 95% WWE's fault and maybe 5% Reigns. But then they followed up with the Reigns/Strowman feud which (most of the time) was humming along at about a 4 out of 5 level of quality in terms of great matches, terrific RAW segments, holy fuck! moments, and overall fun/hilarity. There's a limit on how logical or sensible the group-hate on Reigns can go and it's gone past the point where it had any justification, so count me out of it from now on in.

* not aimed at anyone here, more just a fatigue with the kind of wankers (I'm assuming college-age males who are going to be dicks at any given time anyway just for laughs) who show up to boo just so they can have the show focused on them instead of on the performers; if it's really bad then complain, if it isn't then quit making up reasons to be unhappy

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You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 9-14-2017 at 11:43 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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You know - with the Cena - Reigns stuff - if Reigns has the chops to ad lib they really need to let him do it. Another segment of the two of them going back and forth and Reigns stopping and saying something along the lines of "This writing is shit." and then cutting his own promo is the way to save his character and this angle from going to shit. Roman winning after looking like a chump for the whole program is going to be terrible payoff.
Yeah, and then they can bring in Tony Schiavone to sit in commentary and freak out about how "this isn't in the script!" Actually no, let's not do that.

I guess the horse is out of the barn already with regards to this angle, but one thing WWE does not need to do is fall into blatant "everything else on the show is fake and scripted, but THIS part is getting real!" storytelling.





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* Hulk Hogan confirms his piece-of-shit status on his Twitter by calling people in Florida who are "only" without power and water a "bunch of crybabies"; does "crybabies" include the six seniors who basically baked to death after the storm when the winds and fallen trees knocked out the generator their rotten for-profit nursing home was using to power the air conditioners?

* NXT's Lacey Evans lost her home and possessions to Hurricane Irma

* "Sexy Star? YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!" - Y2J Chris Jericho, after an interview with Taya Valkyrie that detailed the shenanigans going on with Vampiro and Sexy Star at the Mexican AAA promotion (that led up to Star deliberately injuring Rosemary during a match), announced that Star is permanently banned from his podcast:

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ďIf thatís true, Sexy Star, youíre a sexy piece of sĖt and so is anybody that books you from now on. [In pro] wrestling youíre giving each other your body. Thereís a lot of trust and to do something malicious like that, on purpose, I donít care what the circumstances are Ė thatís just bad, bad news, man. I donít know where her mind is at. Iíve never met her. At this point, I donít think I want to. Sexy Star, you are now going to have a lifetime ban from Talk Is Jericho. Sexy Star is banned from Talk Is Jericho for life. There you go. Thatís my little piece of the pie. Thatís what I say about that.Ē


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I can honestly say that Reigns has busted his ass and had some of the years best matches over the last stretch- Can't say I love the over-push he gets, but the guys work is up to par for it and he's won me over.... but I can't for the life of me figure out why the WWE keeps putting him in spots where you can't help but hate the guy.... not in a heel way, but in a I don't want to see him or the WWE succeed (in this particular instance) kind of way.
In this case, I think they are tring to avoid both cena nd Reigns getting completely booed. Cena preaching the the smark crowd is a way to do that. No, there won't be a thunderous pop for Cena, but at least SOMEONE will gets some cheers here.

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* Hulk Hogan confirms his piece-of-shit status on his Twitter by calling people in Florida who are "only" without power and water a "bunch of crybabies"; does "crybabies" include the six seniors who basically baked to death after the storm when the winds and fallen trees knocked out the generator their rotten for-profit nursing home was using to power the air conditioners?
If you read the actual tweet he is referring to those who are complaining about losing power and water, not simply people with out power or water. He actually makes a point, but he has no clue how to articulate it in 140 characters or less and should stop using Twitter because of it.

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I think they're just comfortable with where Reigns is at and don't mind putting him in unflaterring situations here and there. Sort of like when w were in the first years of Super Cena and HHH would shit on him by saying he wasn't a good wrestler and mocking his young fanbase. Instead of having Cena counter those arguments constructively he'd just spew lame atempts at a burn or get all pissed.
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From the "You Finally Figured Out This Might Be A Bad Idea, Dumbasses?" file, gambling sites are considering dropping the ability to bet on WWE matches after one person won over $45,000 off a 10 match parlay at SummerSlam:

https://411mania.com/wrestling/gambling-drop-wwe-45000-summerslam/

I am shocked that an insider could use his knowledge of the finished to WWE matches to win big money. Shocked I tells ya!

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* WWE is set to bring back Starrcade for a live event in Greensboro, NC. on Novemeber 25th. No word on if it will be a Network special.

* Brie Bella is training with Daniel Bryan for a return to the ring. They had filmed some behind the scenes videos of her training, but WWE forbid them to be released because it showed Bryan taking bumps. Bryan is not allowed by the WWE to do anything wrestling-wise while he is under contract.

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Bringing back WCW's legendary event as a glorified house show. Vince might think it's another blow to WCW's legacy but it'll probably be betetr than the last few SCs under Vince Russo.
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I would not be surprised if they do one of those unexpected title changes at a house show deals that they like to do in Europe to make this event a bit more special. Here is the card per wwe.com:

WWE Championship Steel Cage Match
Jinder Mahal vs. Shinsuke Nakamura

SmackDown Womenís Championship Steel Cage Match
Natalya vs. Charlotte Flair

United States Championship Triple Threat Match
AJ Styles vs. Baron Corbin vs. Rusev

SmackDown Tag Team Championship Texas Tornado Match
The New Day vs. The Usos

Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens

Bobby Roode vs. Dolph Ziggler

Breezango vs Aiden English & Mike Kanellis w/ Maria Kanellis

The Hardy Boyz are also confirmed to appear at Starrcade in their home state of North Carolina, as are WWE Hall of Famers and Starrcade legends Ricky ďThe DragonĒ Steamboat and The Rock Ďní Roll Express!

http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/article/starrcade-2017-greensboro

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Given that card, having Charlotte win the Women's title there would seem appropriate.





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Having Charlotte blade would also be appropriate.
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She looks so different when not in character as a jizz dartboard. What an amazing performer on so many levels.
Side note, anyone else think her finisher should be known as Paigeís Stuck Together?

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* Sasha Banks is apparently not happy with her current situation on RAW. She had a very telling interview with Sam Roberts where she says she pretty much gave a big middle finger to all things WWE:

Regarding preferring NXT over RAW:

"We kind of always knew where we were going, so it helped me prepare and think of ahead of time, like, 'how can I make this better?'. But when I go to RAW, it's legit, like, 'I have no clue what I'm doing.' I don't even know what to prepare for. I'm just, like, handed something or told something. And I was like, 'okay, I have one hour to get ready. Oh, okay. Alright. Let's just do it!' So, honestly, I wish we had the opportunity to know what we're doing in the next three months. If we're going with a storyline, I would like to know, 'yeah, we're going with you and Alexa and this is where we want to take it and where we want to go' instead of just being, 'oh, maybe you'll have a tag match. Maybe you'll have a promo. Maybe you'll have this random match that doesn't make any sense or whatever. Who knows? Or maybe you'll just sit in catering. Who knows?"

Regarding being jerked around as champion:

"I'll be honest about something. I'm a three-time RAW Women's Champion, right, which is awesome. Within a whole year, I'm a three-time Women's Champion, which, to me, is a lot. I am a three-time two-week holder of a championship, so that took away my confidence so much."

Meanwhile, Sasha recently removed any references to the WWE on her Twitter account.





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