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posted on 10-4-2017 at 03:25 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'd be the first to admit that the USA has serious flaws in many areas, particularly as it comes to domestic spying, etc.

But the United States is measurably and demonstrably more free than mainland China and by quite a large margin.





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posted on 10-4-2017 at 03:39 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Not so free to be able to attend a concert and not have some nut job with 42 guns kill me and hundreds of my friends. I'm not trying to be obtuse, and I see your point, but the right to life guaranteed to us seems like lip service at this point.
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posted on 10-4-2017 at 04:31 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Not so free to be able to attend a concert and not have some nut job with 42 guns kill me and hundreds of my friends. I'm not trying to be obtuse, and I see your point, but the right to life guaranteed to us seems like lip service at this point.

And I see your point, and I'm not arguing with you. America has serious, serious problems, and I would be the last one to say it's all star-spangled awesome.

I'm just saying that for all it's faults, it's more free than many other countries.

My brother lived in Singapore for many years. He raved about how clean it was and how everything was super-organized and efficient. When I pointed out to him that it was controlled by a dictator who had people beaten with canes for dropping gum on the ground, he just shrugged his shoulders.

Just speaking for myself, I'd take the freedom and insanity of democracy over the brutality and efficient security of authoritarianism.





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posted on 10-4-2017 at 06:46 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by CCharger

When rural white folks hear "gun control" they see ATF agents kicking in their doors and taking their weapons.

[Edited on 10-3-2017 by CCharger]


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posted on 10-4-2017 at 11:20 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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What is more worrisome is that Trump repealed regulations that would have kept firearms out of the hands of the severely mentally ill.

False. You need to quit getting your information from uninformed, social justice warrior Jimmy Kimmel. This talking point about February’s repeal of a ban on certain social security recipients has nothing to do with “severe mental illness.” Those “adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to any mental institution” are prohibited from owning firearms under the 1968 Gun Control Act, unaffected by the legislation Trump signed.

These late night talk show hosts say we need more gun control, but none of them offer any real solutions. Let Kimmel, Colbert, Noah, Meyers and Fallon give their ten solutions for how to resolve this problem and maybe someone will start taking them seriously. In the meantime it's just grandstanding on their parts.

Where are they when there are 59 people shot or killed every month on the streets of Chicago? In a state like Illinois, that has some of the most stringent gun laws in the entire country. It takes a tragedy like the one in Vegas to get these guys on their pulpit and wag their fingers at us about how our society is going to hell in a handbasket. They can all suck it!





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posted on 10-5-2017 at 12:11 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I made an ass of you and me, when I assumed the apparent mod to this dude's gun was illegal. Looks like it's fucking legal. Jesus. I had no idea this was something you could just do.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-may-consider-plan-to-ban-gun-bump-stocks/ar-AAsUvmg?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

"The bill offered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the Senate Judiciary Committee’s top-ranking Democrat, responds to revelations that some of the weapons Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock used to commit the worst mass shooting in U.S. modern history Sunday were apparently outfitted — legally — with bump stock devices.

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posted on 10-5-2017 at 12:58 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Hey, a "but Chicago" comment! Drink!
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posted on 10-5-2017 at 04:10 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yeah, Chicago is the new defense fad. I’ve outright been told it’s illegal to purchase a gun there (I found it funny since they treated Chicago as its own separate entity from Illinois), to which I had to do research and respond with:

“They have a FOID card for residents. Non-residents are totally exempt from this. The FOID card is given by police to qualified applicants, as long as you’re squeaky clean, so it’s not illegal to purchase guns in Illinois.

They also provide concealed carry licenses to those who go through 16 hours of training. Shotguns and rifles are even available for purchase. There’s a 72 hour waiting period waiting period for handguns and a 24 hour waiting period for rifles and shotguns.

Oh, and I’m sure all of the readily available guns (almost untraceable, thanks to the law that prohibits gun records being accessed via the internet) that get stolen and sent out into the Wild in all of the states that legalize and encourage gun ownership don’t account for any of the guns that find their way into the highly corrupt, gang-ridden world of Chicago.

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https://www.timeout.com/chicago/things-to-do/5-steps-to-getting-a-gun-in-chicago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois

FLW, it’s easy to point the finger at late night hosts and say “why don’t thy provide a solutions?”. It’s not their job to provide a solution (some of whom actually have during their more somber moments). They are hosts on a comedy show. It’s the job of our government to address and find a solution, but it seems they are interested in anything but.

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posted on 10-5-2017 at 04:21 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
In an era where a game-show host/crooked realtor managed to become president what's wrong with comedians saying their own piece?

[Edited on 10/5/2017 by Paddlefoot]





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posted on 10-5-2017 at 12:05 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Yeah, Chicago is the new defense fad. I’ve outright been told it’s illegal to purchase a gun there (I found it funny since they treated Chicago as its own separate entity from Illinois), to which I had to do research and respond with:
[Edited on 10-5-2017 by CamstunPWG187]


I get why "but Chicago" is proving to be such a popular defense. None of the usual NRA-approved defenses are working for this one:

1) "The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." Every patron at that concert could have been packing heat, and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference because the shooter was firing from the 32nd floor of a building across the street in the dark.
2) "The problem is mental health care." Prior to the shooting, there appeared to be no indications that Stephen Paddock was suffering from any sort of mental illness, aside from maybe being kind of antisocial, depending on who you asked.
3) "He was probably brainwashed by violent video games." Even if he played a lot of violent video games, which seems highly unlikely, he would have been 40 when "Doom" came out.

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posted on 10-5-2017 at 03:11 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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What is more worrisome is that Trump repealed regulations that would have kept firearms out of the hands of the severely mentally ill.

False. You need to quit getting your information from uninformed, social justice warrior Jimmy Kimmel. This talking point about February’s repeal of a ban on certain social security recipients has nothing to do with “severe mental illness.” Those “adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to any mental institution” are prohibited from owning firearms under the 1968 Gun Control Act, unaffected by the legislation Trump signed.

These late night talk show hosts say we need more gun control, but none of them offer any real solutions. Let Kimmel, Colbert, Noah, Meyers and Fallon give their ten solutions for how to resolve this problem and maybe someone will start taking them seriously. In the meantime it's just grandstanding on their parts.

Where are they when there are 59 people shot or killed every month on the streets of Chicago? In a state like Illinois, that has some of the most stringent gun laws in the entire country. It takes a tragedy like the one in Vegas to get these guys on their pulpit and wag their fingers at us about how our society is going to hell in a handbasket. They can all suck it!

First, I don't watch late night TV, so you're already off the rails there.

Second, our use of "social justice warrior" as a pejorative indicates pretty clearly what you're about.

Third, the rule I was speaking of was an Obama administration policy of having "to require the Social Security Administration to report the records of some mentally ill beneficiaries to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System"

That includes "those who have been deemed mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs".

Now, maybe it's just me, but if someone is so mentally ill that they can't balance a checkbook or keep track of how much they make a year or keep a household budget, then maybe they shouldn't own a gun. In my mind, that's not a mental illness like depression, general anxiety, or OCD - that's "severely mentally ill".

Also, A+ Fox News trolling with the Chicago stuff. Maybe you should stop getting your information from Trump shills. Here are the facts as it relates to Chicago:

Yes, gun deaths rose by 61 percent between 2015 and 2016. But let's put that in to context. First, Chicago DOES NOT have the most stringent gun laws in the nation. They USED TO. But you see, in 2008 the Supreme Court ruled it's hand gun ban was unconstitutional. It also had a concealed carry ban until 2013 when a state law superseded it. What happened after that? Gun deaths increased. Who knew?!

Also, it's important to note that Chicago is in proximity to two states with very WEAK gun laws: Wisconsin and Indiana. Neither Wisconsin nor Indiana requires licenses or permits to purchase a gun, for example, nor do they require waiting periods. A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, co-authored by Cook, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states.

So, your argument about the mental health requirement and your dog whistle about Chicago are both basically a pile of coiled dog shit.

The ironic thing is, I'm pro-gun. I think most liberals look stupid when they talk about guns - and I'm a fucking liberal myself. I'm also not someone who is going to go watch MSNBC or Fox News and decide which talking point my side should thinks I should regurgitate.

As my post above said, let's discuss this rationally and with the facts, rather than ideologically entrenched warfare.





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posted on 10-5-2017 at 07:58 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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So, your argument about the mental health requirement and your dog whistle about Chicago are both basically a pile of coiled dog shit.

The ironic thing is, I'm pro-gun. I think most liberals look stupid when they talk about guns - and I'm a fucking liberal myself. I'm also not someone who is going to go watch MSNBC or Fox News and decide which talking point my side should thinks I should regurgitate.


We will agree to disagree on this point. As it pertains to the legacy media like MSNBC, Fox and CNN, they are all full of shit. They are nothing but corporate owned entities that spew nonsense. Their only purpose is to line their pockets. Anyone who gets their news from televised news media, is a sucker.





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posted on 10-5-2017 at 10:39 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
well, i was naked and wasn't wearing my holster........

Common sense here. I like guns too. I want to have sex with them, and/or with the big-titted girls in bikinis firing them. Just cut through the bullshit because every single pro-gun argument that goes beyond a right to property ownership is a complete crock. George III isn't coming back to seize and redistribute your precious white women among the blacks, and Fidel Castro or the Area 51 greys or the black helicopters aren't coming for you either. If you believe that or any of that other horseshit that the NRA or the other maniacs push then you're the type of person who wouldn't be allowed to have a gun if gun ownership were simply predicated on passing an IQ test first.







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Eh, I work in a northside neighborhood in Chicago. I have never personally felt unsafe. That said, there are a few very bad neighborhoods and they do export their problems around the city somewhat. There have been a few incidents near where I work where people have been robbed and twice shot.

I agree with some of the other posters. In truth, given how easy it is to get a gun just outside Chicago, it is hard to have gun laws work that well for a city that isn't walled off from the rest of America.





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posted on 10-7-2017 at 07:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Blah blah what about Chicago. Blah blah


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html?smid=fb-share

This is an article describing how easy it is to run guns to places like Chicago from other states that have lax laws. Feel free to share.





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posted on 10-7-2017 at 08:56 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I grew up in Indiana, where fireworks were illegal. We did, however, live close to the Ohio border, where they were very legal. Come summertime, as the 4th would approach, stands would be set up, literally within ten feet of the state line alongside the highway, with giant FIREWORKS FOR SALE signs.

While I'm sure the gun dealers are a -little- more subtle than that, I imagine the situations along the Indiana and Missouri borders to Illinois are a little bit along those lines.





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posted on 11-5-2017 at 10:32 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
One guy walked into a church in Texas this morning and killed (as of the last count I saw) an estimated 27 people.

One guy. Killed 27 people.

Out of respect for the victims, please don’t politicize this tragedy. Instead, please offer thoughts and prayers.

And don’t even think about saying the word “gun.” Except for “One [or more] gun(s), please,” when you go out to buy a gun. Which you should totally do.

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posted on 11-6-2017 at 12:24 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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One guy walked into a church in Texas this morning and killed (as of the last count I saw) an estimated 27 people.

One guy. Killed 27 people.

Out of respect for the victims, please don’t politicize this tragedy. Instead, please offer thoughts and prayers.

And don’t even think about saying the word “gun.” Except for “One [or more] gun(s), please,” when you go out to buy a gun. Which you should totally do.

[Edited on 11-5-2017 by Cherokee Jack]


Thoughts are with those inconvenienced by this.

No prayers because if people being gunned down in church isn’t enough to make you realize how little praying does to prevent this, nothing will.

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I think I'm just going to be proactive and start sending my thoughts and prayers now to the victims of the next mass shooting that will occur in roughly three to four weeks.





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f the next mass shooting that will occur in roughly three to four weeks.


I'm going to bet the over on this. Not by much, mind you, but > 3-4 weeks. I think we get past Thanksgiving and into December, but we don't exit 2017 without 'next'.





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f the next mass shooting that will occur in roughly three to four weeks.


I'm going to bet the over on this. Not by much, mind you, but > 3-4 weeks. I think we get past Thanksgiving and into December, but we don't exit 2017 without 'next'.


I will take the under, if we are including other acts of mass violence (see truck running down people on a bike path)





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Another one.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norcal-elementary-school-shooting-20171114-story.html

"Gunman kills 4, injures 2 children in shootings at several places in Northern California, including a school"





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Does 4 people count as mass shooting still?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/14/564117257/at-least-3-reported-dead-after-shooting-at-school-other-locations-in-california

9 days....9 fucking days and more kids are Shot at I n a place (elementary school) where they should be fucking safe as could be.

But again, thoughts go out to those inconvenienced by this totally unavoidable event.

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