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Author: Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (December 7, 2015)
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posted on 12-8-2015 at 12:07 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (December 7, 2015)

Tonight on RAW: it's the final live show before the TLC PPV, and really, there are only a handful of questions left to answer...

Will the Dudleys and Tommy Dreamer be adding a fourth before the PPV, and who will it be? With Dreamer being added to WWE house shows and taping all the way up through the Royal Rumble, you'd think any other Extreme Alumnus would also be in for a brief full-time run (which probably makes RVD a favorite over is-a-responsible-grown-up-with-a-real-life-9-to-5-job Spike Dudley)....

Will Kevin Owens be joining the League of Nations, too, or will the group be standing pat?.... he fits in a few ways: (1) he's not American, (2) Canada is, technically, a Nation, (3) he's the IC Champ, and the LoN already has the WWE, US, and Tag Champs as members/associate members, and (4) with Ambrose already automatically having Reigns back at all times, the Owens/Ambrose feud is already included in the over-arching Nations vs. Reigns' Family thing....

And of course: which match gets stuck with the silly "Chairs Match" stipulation?

The TLC card is:

Sheamus vs. Reigns (WWE Title TLC Match)
Dudleys/Dreamer/???? vs. Wyatt Family (Tables Match, presumably)
New Day vs. Dragons vs. Usos (Tag Title Ladder Match)
Kevin Owens vs. Ambrose (IC Title Match)
Alberto del Rio vs. Jack Swagger (US Title Match)
Charlotte vs. Paige (Women's Title Match)
Dolph Ziggler vs. Tyler Breeze (Rubber Match)

You could also very easily add Ryback vs. Rusev (or Ryback/????? vs. Rusev/Barrett) and/or Goldust vs. Stardust (or Goldust/PTPs vs. Stardust/Ascension) as prefectly logical pre-show fodder... and while it's unlikely to have any bearing on Sunday's PPV, WWE has finally kicked the "Miz goes scouting for lackeys" storyline into high gear, in which he has already targeted Neville and everybody assumed he'd try to recruit Big Show, too (of note, Big Show returns to house show booking sheets after the holidays, and is still a heel)...

That is all. End communication.

The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!

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posted on 12-8-2015 at 12:52 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
TLC is actually shaping up to be a really nice PPV on paper, as every single match announced so far has the potential to be in the "good to great" range.

And I know this is the time of year when the WWE puts things on cruise control, but I am kinda curious to see what (if any) advancement we get with the League of Nations tonight, just since it's been a while since the WWE has had a big stable like this.





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Uh...League of Nations meet the Wyatts!?!?!?!?

ETA: Way to ruin a moment and make it look so sterile and contained by going to commercial just as 4 stables are coming together to fight. If we come back and a 16 man match has begun, what a waste of a cool start.

[Edited on 12-8-2015 by S Kid J E T S 48]

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posted on 12-8-2015 at 01:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Rhyno as the ECDub 4th. Fuck it, I''l take it. Agree with Skids. Shit time to break the momentum of the moment.





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posted on 12-8-2015 at 01:17 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Why couldnt they have had this idea a month ago and have this has a co-SS main event?
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Who wrestles the rest of the night? This is most of the roster in one match.
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Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk Ironman Match
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posted on 12-8-2015 at 01:34 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
No big deal if some of them have to pull double duty tonight. Elimination match rules so most of them, especially those slated for other matches, will probably be out before they even break a sweat.





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posted on 12-8-2015 at 01:38 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk Ironman Match


One of those guys is injured and is loathed by Vince, so that's unlikely. The other guy, well, I'm pretty sure Punk's busy elsewhere.





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Holy crap. You desperately need to build Sheamus some credibility AND YOU HAVE HIM GET PINNED???

Kind of amazing that WWE could come up with such a great idea to start the show and muck it up in just enough ways to somewhat ruin it.

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It's more than dumb doing that because Sheamus has defied all expectations so far into this title run and put in a really good over-the-top heel performance. Him sitting down next to and hugging a terrified Lilian last week was fucking aces.





Well you know, just because these young men have little education and live in squalor, it doesn't entitle them to commit antisocial behaviour and get away with it.

it's a child molesting robot

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That just confirms him winning at TLC, innit? Probably with LoN fuckery so we can officially certify yet anoter Chickenshit Heel.





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posted on 12-8-2015 at 01:56 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
No reason to complain though if they're doing a great job at it like Rollins was and Sheamus currently is. I'll save my bitching for real problems with the product, like Sasha Banks being exiled by Vince and Bucky to Main Event for her singles matches and not getting even a sniff at the women's title so far.

[Edited on 12/8/2015 by Paddlefoot]





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it's a child molesting robot

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WWE got Coca Cola to sponsor the Slammy Awards? For all the overreactions made over ratings decimals, WWE has been hitting some interesting benchmarks in ad goals this year.

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No reason to complain though if they're doing a great job at it like Rollins was and Sheamus currently is. I'll save my bitching for real problems with the product, like Sasha Banks being exiled by Vince and Bucky to Main Event for her singles matches and not getting even a sniff at the women's title so far.



They kinda have to hold off *someone* for the Wrestlemania title match. No need to run through all the new women at the same time.

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No reason to complain though if they're doing a great job at it like Rollins was and Sheamus currently is. I'll save my bitching for real problems with the product, like Sasha Banks being exiled by Vince and Bucky to Main Event for her singles matches and not getting even a sniff at the women's title so far.



They kinda have to hold off *someone* for the Wrestlemania title match. No need to run through all the new women at the same time.


The cynical-me says it's more along the lines of Vince and Bucky adhering to their insane logic that only makes sense to them. Sasha's too short. Too small. Not white. Not Diva Search-type statuesque. I'd almost guess they'd put the belt back on Nikki at WM just to tie it in with that stupid show on E again rather than let Sasha have it. Can probably count Naomi out too because no matter her talent level is at now she also doesn't meet their whackadoo kind of criteria.





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it's a child molesting robot

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No idea who Bucky is supposed to be.

WWE is pushing 3 Samoans in their top group, including one as their future Cena who is most certainly not white. Their top tag team gaining more segments every episode are 3 black guys. When did the Bellas become white? Their US Champion is Mexican.

I know WWE is everything bad in the world when need be...but come on. Understandable WWE may not carry a story out right, but this isn't Cesaro...there aren't a ton of divas hanging around that are above Sasha taking her place. She'll get her time.

Also AJ was like 5 foot nothing and held the belt for a year.

And btw, more important than anything else - Sasha's Snoop Dog's cousin. WWE loves C-level stars more than anything in this world.


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No idea who Bucky is supposed to be.




I think Owens was acting like he got acid splashed in his face when Dean threw the drink because that was probably a full glass of Wild Turkey with, like, a splash of Pepsi. Because Ambrose is crazy.





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posted on 12-8-2015 at 02:23 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
It all makes sense now.
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posted on 12-8-2015 at 02:28 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Well, it should. I am one of the most sensible posters here.

ETA: What's with all the ethnics in the ring? Ah shit. #sensibilityfail

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I didn't understand anything you just said.

Please rephrase in gif bomb form.

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posted on 12-8-2015 at 02:57 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Well, it should. I am one of the most sensible posters here.



ETA: What's with all the ethnics in the ring? Ah shit. #sensibilityfail = New Day and Team B.A.D. in the ring all at once.



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2015 Translator of the Year in the bag.
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That hot blonde sitting so close to Ric better be careful lest she get taken on a ride to Space Mountain.

Also, don't much care what y'all think, but Miz is the shit. And I, for one, like his Space Hijab.

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Anyone complaining above about Sasha banks, must miss the obvious WM Womens match between Charlotte and Banks that is going to happen. Its clearly the top women's match WWE has.

Strategy with Banks is clear...make the fans want it more, then give it to them.

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...make the fans want it more, then give it to them.



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