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posted on 1-27-2014 at 03:41 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Road To Wrestlemania Thread

Use this thread for news, rumors, musings, rants, and (mild) fantasy booking related to the lead up to Wrestlemania.

Please excluse Streak talk to the Streak thread.

This is the first "unofficial" official Wrestlemania card. It is VERY similar to the rumored matches from several days ago, but with the addition of a few:

*Batista vs. Randy Orton for the WWE World Heavyweight Title
*Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker
* Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena
*CM Punk vs Triple H
* Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
*Ultimate Warrior vs. Ryback
* Dean Ambrose/Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns/Sting

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I don't know if this was touched upon already on the other thread, but Warrior in a match just seems really odd to me. He hasn't been in a match in over 5 years and is in his mid-50's now. I just don't see him as being fit enough to compete in an actual match, although I could be wrong.





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Well, the Rumor Crap thread got a little bloated and un-readable. This time of year is always rife with rumors, musings, and a little bit of "news". Remember, take everything on here with a grain of salt. Or the whole shaker.


Think this thread can be improved from the other one by sourcing the rumors.






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Well, the Rumor Crap thread got a little bloated and un-readable. This time of year is always rife with rumors, musings, and a little bit of "news". Remember, take everything on here with a grain of salt. Or the whole shaker.


Think this thread can be improved from the other one by sourcing the rumors.


Good idea.





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Let's make this the general Road to Wrestlemania thread as well (or pre-WM thread).

What tends to happen this time of year is every thread gets going on speculation, fantasy booking, etc, and stuff either gets lost or repeated 100x because of it.

We've done Pre-WM threads before for this purpose and it has generally worked.

Except keep Streak Talk the fuck out of here.





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I think based on rumor and last night that there's about a 100% chance that Cody vs. Goldust happens at Mania. I just don't want them to make Cody the heel in the split, since he never really got a chance to go solo as a face.





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Except keep Streak Talk the fuck out of here.


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I would like to tlak about my fantasy booking of the combination of Sting and Daniel Bryan teaming up to end the streak...

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Except keep Streak Talk the fuck out of here.


Nevermind.

I will say this: I never buy Wrestlemania. Ever. And with the Network launching in a month, I don't think it is going to matter. But I have to say, I've never had so little interest in a Wrestlemania before it happened as I do with this, yet never have I been so intrigued by the potential reaction of a crowd as I have this one (because, let's face it: Bryan isn't going for the title, and he isn't ending you know what).

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salmonjunkie posted in the Rumble thread about a triple threat for Mania involving Batista, Orton and Bryan.

I was going to reply that in the WWE's mind, Bryan can't beat Orton one one one, so there is no way he can beat Orton AND Batists in the same match.

and then this thought occurred:

UNLESS HE TURNED HEEL

Imagine a scenario where The Authority continues to "try to keep Bryan down" and "force feeds us" Orton and Batista. They make Bryan jump through hoop after hoop and overcome obstacle after obstacle.

Finally, The Authority relents and makes it a triple threat match for Mania for the title. 80,000 fans are chanting Daniel Bryan and YES YES YES anticipating a babyface finish to the main event in the Super Dome.

The match is a classic with Bryan taking much of the heat. At the end of the match Bryan is on the outside, selling. Batista is in control. He readies Orton for a Batista Bomb, but the Authority arrive at ringside. Batista gets into a verbal spat with HHH on the apron, he turns around into an RKO from nowhere! Orton goes for the cover, ONE, TWO...but HHH yanks the official out of the ring disrupting the count and sending him back to the locker room. Orton can't believe it. Meanwhile, Bryan back in the ring as Orton argues with HHH. Stephanie gets up on the apron and hands Bryan a chair. Bryan looks at it, looks at her, looks at the fans. Orton finally turns around. BOOM! Chairshot from Bryan. He drops the chair, and covers. HHH slides in and counts the pinfall. Bryan is your new champion and celebrates with Vince, HHH and Stephanie as the crowd showers him with boos and NO! chants.

The next night on RAW, Bryan explains that all the Daniel Bryan chants and YES! chants did nothing for him; that selling out to the Authority was the only way he saw to become WWE Champion. HHH congratulates him and says that at first he thought very little of Daniel Bryan, but he saw Bryan run the gauntlet and pay his dues the last few months, and he deserved to be the FACE of the WWE.

A heel turn on par with Austin at Wrestlemania 17.





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Damn good booking there, Charger. Couple that with the fact that Jim Ross said on his blog that he believes that WWE is just taking their sweet-ass time making Bryan a top guy, and it makes sense. Bryan could easily be a bigger heel than Orton, even HHH, if that was to happen.
But, we all know we're talking about WWE here, so it probably won't happen that way.





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It wouldn't work. That chair hitting Orton releases the loudest 'YES!' ever, even if StepHHH hands it to DB. If you don't do anything to set the turn up beforehand, he'll get cheered stomping kittens at WM.

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I'm not sure that hitting a heel once with a chair would really work for an epic heel turn. Austin was hitting one of the biggest faces of all time over and over again with a chair and celebrating with one of the biggest heels of all time. Even with all that his heel turn didn't really completely take.





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It wouldn't work. That chair hitting Orton releases the loudest 'YES!' ever, even if StepHHH hands it to DB. If you don't do anything to set the turn up beforehand, he'll get cheered stomping kittens at WM.

[Edited on 27-1-2014 by Arschclown]


They have been setting it up, ever since HHH stripped DB of the title. Granted, this hasn't been building for years, like Austin/McMahon, but it has been building. Even DB's in-character tweets about the machine keeping him down, and all of that, can be used.
But, as you mentioned, the fans are at such a fever pitch for DB to be THE GUY that they will be happy with him winning, regardless of the method. I whole-heartedly believe that Batista wouldn't have returned if he wasn't going to have a run with the title while he is using the WWE to cross-promote "Guardians of the Galaxy." In my mind, he is a lock to win at WrestleMania.
I just hope J.R. is right and HHH and co. know exactly what they're doing with this. Doubt it, but I can hope.

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I'm not sure that hitting a heel once with a chair would really work for an epic heel turn. Austin was hitting one of the biggest faces of all time over and over again with a chair and celebrating with one of the biggest heels of all time. Even with all that his heel turn didn't really completely take.


Very true. In a perfect world (i.e. perfect set-up, none of this booking on-the-fly), Charger's scenario could work. But, as with Austin, the fans are so enamored with him that the turn wouldn't stick, IMO. I guess I'm just hoping to be surprised by WWE, but I really know better than to hold my breath.





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You're going to have Daniel Bryan "turn heel" twice in 3 months? The first one didn't take and I don't think there's a single wrestler in the world right now that can be used to turn him heel - he's above everyone.

And frankly - why would we be trying to change something we love? Just to get him to the top? What's the point of that? I'd rather have him being 100% approved and loved and getting the best reactions and not being champion than Austining it and like Austin, us regretting changing the character completely, making him something different, and him never being quite as big of a face ever again.






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You're going to have Daniel Bryan "turn heel" twice in 3 months? The first one didn't take and I don't think there's a single wrestler in the world right now that can be used to turn him heel - he's above everyone.

And frankly - why would we be trying to change something we love? Just to get him to the top? What's the point of that? I'd rather have him being 100% approved and loved and getting the best reactions and not being champion than Austining it and like Austin, us regretting changing the character completely, making him something different, and him never being quite as big of a face ever again.


The first one wasn't a heel turn, per se. It was Bryan pretending to be a heel.

Also, the sight of Bryan hugging and smiling with Stephanie McMahon and HHH and Vince would make everyone boo in that arena. Plus, think about the reaction if Bryan walks out on RAW the next night, beard freshly shaven, in an Armani suit, with the belt on one shoulder.

Yes, we love our underdogs, until our underdogs sell out. That's why Austin's heel turn was never believable. We didn't see Austin as the underdog. The fans didn't understand WHY he turned heel. His character didn't NEED to. With Bryan, we would understand why he felt he needed to sell out, but we would hate him for doing it.

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The first one wasn't a heel turn, per se. It was Bryan pretending to be a heel.

Also, the sight of Bryan hugging and smiling with Stephanie McMahon and HHH and Vince would make everyone boo in that arena. Plus, think about the reaction if Bryan walks out on RAW the next night, beard freshly shaven, in an Armani suit, with the belt on one shoulder.

Yes, we love our underdogs, until our underdogs sell out. That's why Austin's heel turn was never believable. We didn't see Austin as the underdog. The fans didn't understand WHY he turned heel. His character didn't NEED to. With Bryan, we would understand why he felt he needed to sell out, but we would hate him for doing it.



What have HHH and Stephanie done since Hell in the Cell that would make them even heels? Treated John Cena well. Acted against Randy Orton. Welcomed Batista back with open arms. Made matches that hurt the Shield. Unified titles, which was very popular with people...etc.

How are they heels? Who would care? At this point it's all meta and insider and we'd look at this as WWE, the company, deciding to put the title on our favorite. We'd be ecstatic, no matter what he did.

C'mon. He was 1/5th as over after his 18 second Wrestlemania match and we were still loving him, despite verbally abusing his girlfriend on air. There's nothing you can do to turn him.

All you are doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Take away all the things we love about Daniel Bryan so he can become a heel? You know how hard it is to build a pure face, let alone someone this freaking over with everyone, no matter the age? Then you take a huge hack at something that could be a disaster? That doesn't seem like good storytelling or company business.






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The first one wasn't a heel turn, per se. It was Bryan pretending to be a heel.

Also, the sight of Bryan hugging and smiling with Stephanie McMahon and HHH and Vince would make everyone boo in that arena. Plus, think about the reaction if Bryan walks out on RAW the next night, beard freshly shaven, in an Armani suit, with the belt on one shoulder.

Yes, we love our underdogs, until our underdogs sell out. That's why Austin's heel turn was never believable. We didn't see Austin as the underdog. The fans didn't understand WHY he turned heel. His character didn't NEED to. With Bryan, we would understand why he felt he needed to sell out, but we would hate him for doing it.



What have HHH and Stephanie done since Hell in the Cell that would make them even heels? Treated John Cena well. Acted against Randy Orton. Welcomed Batista back with open arms. Made matches that hurt the Shield. Unified titles, which was very popular with people...etc.

How are they heels? Who would care? At this point it's all meta and insider and we'd look at this as WWE, the company, deciding to put the title on our favorite. We'd be ecstatic, no matter what he did.

C'mon. He was 1/5th as over after his 18 second Wrestlemania match and we were still loving him, despite verbally abusing his girlfriend on air. There's nothing you can do to turn him.

All you are doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Take away all the things we love about Daniel Bryan so he can become a heel? You know how hard it is to build a pure face, let alone someone this freaking over with everyone, no matter the age? Then you take a huge hack at something that could be a disaster? That doesn't seem like good storytelling or company business.


I see your point. I do. I just think you are being too pessimistic. First, Bryan was a heel with the crowd UNTIL the WWE had him lose in 18 seconds. I think most the fans felt that Bryan as a performer deserved better. If he had gone and had a 25 minute slobberknocker and put Sheamus over clean, I don't think we'd be having this conversation right now.

Also, you forget how great Bryan was as a heel. He was getting great crowd reactions as a heel too.

To your point about the Authority. I agree. They have done a HORRIBLE job portraying them. Even I get confused about who or what they are. Yet, they still lean heel, and three months of torturing Bryan would get them over as heels. HHH and Steph are not hard to hate.

Lastly, yes, everyone would prefer if Bryan won the title by making Orton tap out at WrestleMania and finally shove it in the face of the WWE. I think we all suspect that that isn't what's going to happen. This was a way for Bryan to become champ in a logical (Vince logic) sort of way, not necessarily what I want or what I think will happen.





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Bryan has an amazing ability to work a crowd. Probably the best since The Rock. They have a legit, long-term star who could be the other top face with Cena (who really probably needs a short break, between surgeries and a divorce.

If they can't figure out how to get him into the main event at WM (either Streak, title, or against HHH), then they are more clueless than Johnny Ace.

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It's funny, but as another poster said, if they simply gave Bryan a legit match at WM against Sheamus a few years back, this probably isn't even an issue. Fans would have accepted that he was given a fair shake with regards to time, and probably accepted the loss.

Instead, the performer was jilted so much that the fans just latched on, through a series of other unfortunate events, has risen to where it is today. It is quite fascinating, really.

And of the powers that be had just given him an actual match a few years back...

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I think based on rumor and last night that there's about a 100% chance that Cody vs. Goldust happens at Mania. I just don't want them to make Cody the heel in the split, since he never really got a chance to go solo as a face.


I'm not sure what you do with these two... Cody probably makes a bit more sense to go heel, but I really don't think that's his forte (Doctor Doom era aside), and as he's the Rhodes brother who will be staying around the longest you would want him to probably get the most out of this feud that you could... He's probably a long time away from the world title scene, but he could be a strong upper mid card solo guy, especially if they put more emphasis on either the IC or US unified title should they go that route.

In saying this, Goldust has looked pretty ageless since returning and could probably still quietly find work on one of the C shows for the next couple of years if you don't have much to do with him.

Depending on how real you want to get with this I think you could pull in the whole Dusty Rhodes being on the road thing, play up some brotherly jealously, and maybe go with Dusty as a guest ref... maybe shade them both as a bit shades of grey but never going full heel against one another... like they have outbursts, but if the other guy is getting jumped they still have one another's backs... Post WM match you could do the big family hug for the happy ending.

Unrelated to this... I was thinking about Batista versus Orton... probably not something you would want to do with your WM main event, but has the company ever gone heel versus heel... like both sides pulling out cheating and sneak attacks... depending on the right participants that could make for a fun one month feud.

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Unrelated to this... I was thinking about Batista versus Orton... probably not something you would want to do with your WM main event, but has the company ever gone heel versus heel... like both sides pulling out cheating and sneak attacks... depending on the right participants that could make for a fun one month feud.


Yes, but never in a Wrestlemania title match. A couple of Royal Rumble title matches, I remember, were heel vs. heel -- Kurt Angle vs. Triple H in 2001 and Sheamus vs. Randy Orton in 2010, for example.

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Bryan taking a chair from HHH to beat down Orton and Batista isn't a Bryan heel turn. That's a HHH face turn.
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Outside of the Chamber match, according to F4WOnline, the other matches set for the upcoming PPV are CM Punk vs. Kane, ADR vs. Batista, and The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family.

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ADR vs. Del Rio


Can't wait to see him make himself tap out.

(I know you meant Batista, but it's worth pointing out for the smile.)

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Can't wait to see him make himself tap out.

(I know you meant Batista, but it's worth pointing out for the smile.)


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