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posted on 3-5-2012 at 05:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Battle of the WrestleMania Rosters

25 years ago, we were on the threshold of WMIII, an event that really carried through on the concept of the supercard to say the least. Matching that card with the developing WM card 25 years later, let's see what kind of matchups we come up with. In doing this, I will keep a strict adherence to match buildups on each respective card, face/heel designations, and so on, even if it means sacrificing match quality for acuracy.

Double Main Event

Hulk Hogan vs John Cena

and

Andre the Giant vs The Rock

Cena-Rock is the de facto ME of WM XXVIII. Since Rock is much more popular than Cena (and since Hogan-Rock has actually happened at a WM), Cena can matchup against the uber-popular Hogan of 1987 while Rock can play the Hogan role, so to speak, against Andre.

Next, taking the ME matches out of the equation, let's look at the most high-profile title match remaining on each card. In keeping with face/heel designations, and despite it leading to a match that has kind of happened at a WM, that gives us two stellar matches in

Randy Savage vs C.M. Punk

and

Ricky Steamboat vs Chris Jericho

Next up, the next highest-profile matchup of each respective card leads us to the following pair of matches;

Roddy Piper vs HHH

and

Adrian Adonis vs The Undertaker

One cannot deny that the Piper-Adonis match was no lower than third in terms of hype on the WMIII card. With UT-HHH being face/face, I could play around with the two matches here and slightly preferred the dynamic of Piper-HHH to Piper-Taker.

Going with the next match down the card on each respective WM, we get this pair of matches, one straightforward, one thought-provoking.

Billy Jack Haynes vs Daniel Bryan

and

Hercules vs Sheamus

That's eight matches so far. WMIII had 12 matches, which is a lot compared to 2012 norms, so I'll add three more. Moreover, WMIII had three tag matches and two six-man matches, so at least one tag match is appropriate here. While the British Bulldogs were outstanding, Dynamite was still being protected because of his back injury, so that causes the booking of the following heel/heel match.

The Hart Foundation vs Primo and Epico

The final two matches will feature participants of the last announced matchup (as of 3/4/12) from WMXXVIII paired against the most hyped remaining match of WMIII. That gives us some matches with some real personality in;

Jake Roberts vs Cody Rhodes

and

The Honky Tonk Man vs The Big Show.

This card leaves off a lot of tag team talent from the 1980's but they just wouldn't have the competition to justify bumping someone else off. It also leaves off a lot of today's midcard, but eleven matches is a lot by anyone's standards.

So our card in full is

Hulk Hogan vs John Cena
Andre the Giant vs The Rock
Randy Savage vs CM Punk
Ricky Steamboat vs Chris Jericho
Rowdy Roddy Piper vs HHH
Adrian Adonis vs The Undertaker
Billy Jack Haynes vs Daniel Bryan
Hercules vs Sheamus
The Hart Foundation vs Primo and Epico
Jake Roberts vs Cody Rhodes
The Honky Tonk Man vs The Big Show

On such a card, which match would you most (and least) look forward to? Which match would exceed most people's expectations? Or fall far short? Would you have a high level of anticipation of the card as it nears or would it fail to interest you? And who should prevail? With 11 matches, barring draws, one era will ultimately prevail over the other, but which one should it be? All thoughts and criticisms welcome.

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posted on 3-5-2012 at 06:23 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Awesome project man. The end result is absolutely superb and rivals any fantasy wrestling card anybody ever came up with. Savage/Punk would be the hands-down show stealer, even if Punk throws the absolutely (WORST) top rope elbow drop in history (admittedly so). Every single match on here is stellar and I would look forward to, even Sheamus vs Hercules (keep it short - Sheamus goes over - good stuff). As for the old guard, I could see Macho Man, Steamboat and the Hart Foundation winning. The rest goes to the new school. I can't pick a match I anticipate most, as even the Haynes/Bryan match has my imagination running! And man, how HILARIOUS would an Undertaker/Adrian Adonis Wrestlemania build be in the weeks leading up to it?? Cena and Hogan would have a similar ending as the Hogan/UW WM6 match and end the whole card on a positive note. Also, I want to see Big Show no-sell a guitar shot (maybe punching through it?) before choke slamming HTM to hell. Great stuff Jazzman!!!





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Cena vs. Andre - this generation's Hogan vs. the undefeated Giant.
Rock vs. Hogan - I think Rock can sell better for Hogan.

Bryan vs. Steamboat - no explanation needed.
Shaemus vs. Savage - Macho can work well with the big brawler.

Jericho vs. Piper - battle of the promos.
Punk vs. Adonis - straight edge versus... not straight edge.

Triple H vs. Harley Race - if only both were in their primes.
Undertaker vs. the Junkyard Dog - two of the Fed's most popular wrestlers, ever.

There's my eight, doing a "strict" mix of matches. As you mentioned before, it'd be hard to get 12 full matches on there, so I'm going to mix the rest up and get 11:

Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger vs. the Hart Foundation
Epico and Primo vs. the Rougeau Brothers

Cody Rhodes vs. the Big Show vs. Randy Orton vs. the Miz vs. Tito Santana vs. Davey Boy Smith vs. Bob Orton vs. Don Muraco - Money in the Bank match






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posted on 3-8-2012 at 11:15 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The WM III-XXVIII fusion looks considerably better than would versions for II-XXVII and I-XXVI if I was to use the same logic in card-building. In a nutshell;

WM II-XXVII Fused Card

Steel Cage Match
King Kong Bundy vs John Cena
Probably a better match than appears on paper, but hard to get excited about.

Hulk Hogan vs The Miz
Awful in every way.

Randy Savage vs Edge
Probably MotN, with only one other possible rival.

George Steele vs Alberto Del Rio
This could actually work as an undercard match, with a good amount of sideshow humor.

Roddy Piper vs Undertaker
Hopeful.

Mr T. vs HHH
Not so hopeful.

Ricky Steamboat vs CM Punk
The other MotN contender, if given enough time.

Hercules vs Randy Orton
Strictly by the numbers here.

British Bulldogs vs Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater
Showcase for Bulldogs here.

Fabulous Moolah vs Trish Stratus
Among the all time women's best, but not a good mix of styles here.

20-man Batttle Royal, featuring Andre the Giant, Big John Studd, The Hart Foundation, Bruno Sammartino, Pedro Morales, The Iron Sheik, Tony Atlas, Refrigerator Perry, Russ Francis, Kane, The Big Show, Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Cody Rhodes, Rey Misterio, John Morrison, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, and Santino Marella
Good for a battle royal, but not as iconic as the WMII original.

And
WM I-XXVI Fused Card

Hulk Hogan vs The Undertaker
Sorry, not going the tag route here. This is a money match.

Roddy Piper vs Shawn Michaels
This could be outstanding in build and action.

Greg Valentine vs John Cena
Bad, bad mix.

Junkyard Dog vs Batista
See above.

Wendi Richter vs Maryse
Hoping against hope.

The U.S. Express vs ShowMiz
This could be pretty interesting.

Andre the Giant vs Chris Jericho
Waste of Jericho here.

Big John Studd vs Edge
Edge may get more out of Studd but still an uphill battle.

Brutus Beefcake vs Rey Misterio
Could simultaneously be Beefcake's best match and Rey's worst.

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posted on 3-8-2012 at 11:16 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The WM III-XXVIII fusion looks considerably better than would versions for II-XXVII and I-XXVI if I was to use the same logic in card-building. In a nutshell;

WM II-XXVII Fused Card

Steel Cage Match
King Kong Bundy vs John Cena
Probably a better match than appears on paper, but hard to get excited about.

Hulk Hogan vs The Miz
Awful in every way.

Randy Savage vs Edge
Probably MotN, with only one other possible rival.

George Steele vs Alberto Del Rio
This could actually work as an undercard match, with a good amount of sideshow humor.

Roddy Piper vs Undertaker
Hopeful.

Mr T. vs HHH
Not so hopeful.

Ricky Steamboat vs CM Punk
The other MotN contender, if given enough time.

Hercules vs Randy Orton
Strictly by the numbers here.

British Bulldogs vs Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater
Showcase for Bulldogs here.

Fabulous Moolah vs Trish Stratus
Among the all time women's best, but not a good mix of styles here.

20-man Batttle Royal, featuring Andre the Giant, Big John Studd, The Hart Foundation, Bruno Sammartino, Pedro Morales, The Iron Sheik, Tony Atlas, Refrigerator Perry, Russ Francis, Kane, The Big Show, Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Cody Rhodes, Rey Misterio, John Morrison, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, and Santino Marella
Good for a battle royal, but not as iconic as the WMII original.

And
WM I-XXVI Fused Card

Hulk Hogan vs The Undertaker
Sorry, not going the tag route here. This is a money match.

Roddy Piper vs Shawn Michaels
This could be outstanding in build and action.

Greg Valentine vs John Cena
Bad, bad mix.

Junkyard Dog vs Batista
See above.

Wendi Richter vs Maryse
Hoping against hope.

The U.S. Express vs ShowMiz
This could be pretty interesting.

Andre the Giant vs Chris Jericho
Waste of Jericho here.

Big John Studd vs Edge
Edge may get more out of Studd but still an uphill battle.

Brutus Beefcake vs Rey Misterio
Could simultaneously be Beefcake's best match and Rey's worst.

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We're close enough to WrestleMania for me to do this again. This time, it's WM IV vs WM XXIX. Once again, In doing this, I will keep a strict adherence to match buildups on each respective card, face/heel designations, and so on, even if it means sacrificing match quality for accuracy. This is going to be more awkward because of the tournament nature of WM IV, which led to there being an enormous 16 matches on the card, but I'll do my best.

Double Main Event

Randy Savage vs John Cena

and

Ted DiBiase vs The Rock

Since it was a tournament final, there was no hype for the Savage-DiBiase match, but it was the de facto main event so it gets that treatment here. And since Rock is still the more popular half, he gets the face designation and Cena the heel, leading to two very promising matches.

Next, taking the ME matches out of the equation, let's look at the most high-profile title match remaining on each card. In keeping with face/heel designations, that gives us two character-driven matches in

The Honky Tonk Man vs Alberto Del Rio

and

Brutus Beefcake vs Jack Swagger

Then let's pair the next hyped matches going into each respective card. This gives us a couple matches with a lot of mystique with

Hulk Hogan vs CM Punk

and

Andre the Giant vs The Undertaker

And then the next hyped matches down the card give us an odd pair of matches, one polarizing that people will either love or hate and one that is lacking in sizzle.

The Ultimate Warrior vs Brock Lesnar

and

Hercules vs HHH

That's eight. Getting to sixteen is probably not realistic given the modern product, plus the fact that the sixteen-match WM IV card was not strong as a whole. But we can add a few more, maybe get to twleve.

Each card looks like it will have one tag team match, so let's put one here, and one potential matchup looks much better than the other, so let's book

Demolition vs Team Hell No

And each has a six-man match, so let's add one here. Using the above logic, we get

The British Bulldogs & Koko B. Ware vs The Shield

It would be criminal to not use Ricky Steamboat in a singles match here, though the pool of worthwhile competition is very shallow now. I'm going to blatantly cheat here and book

Ricky Steamboat vs Dolph Ziggler.

Hey, it's better than him facing Fandango.

For the final match, I'll cop out and use WM IV's 20 man battle royal. Here, this features

Bad News Brown, Bret Hart, Jim Neidhart, Bam Bam Bigelow, Rick Martel, Tito Santana, One Man Gang, Jake Roberts, Rick Rude, Jim Duggan, Ryback, Mark Henry, Chris Jericho, Fandango, Big E Langston, Sheamus, Randy Orton, The Big Show, Wade Barrett, and The Miz

So this card uses most of today's talent, though a lot of 1998's base is left off, including some entrants in the World Title tournament. 12 matches is right in between the 9 booked for WM XXIX and the 16 at WM IV.

So the card in full is

Randy Savage vs John Cena
Ted DiBiase vs The Rock
The Honky Tonk Man vs Alberto Del Rio
Brutus Beefcake vs Jack Swagger
Hulk Hogan vs CM Punk
Andre the Giant vs The Undertaker
The Ultimate Warrior vs Brock Lesnar
Hercules vs HHH
Demolition vs Team Hell No
The British Bulldogs & Koko B Ware vs The Shield
Ricky Steamboat vs Dolph Ziggler
20 man battle royal

On such a card, which match would you most (and least) look forward to? Which match would exceed most people's expectations? Or fall far short? Would you have a high level of anticipation of the card as it nears or would it fail to interest you? And who should prevail? With 12 matches, there could be a 6-6 tie, but discounting the battle royal as more spectacle than match, one era will ultimately prevail over the other in head-to-head matches, but which one should it be? And how does this card compare to last year's card matching WM III vs WM XXVIII? All thoughts and criticisms welcome.

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Answering my own questions;

Most anticipated - Savage vs Cena

Least anticipated - Hercules vs HHH

Exceed expectations - Bulldogs/Ware vs Shield (Seriously, I think this match would be fun and make The Shield look like a million bucks)

Fall short - Andre vs Taker (This would have a great build, with Taker's streak vs Andre being 1 year and 1 loss away from a storyline undefeated career, but Andre just couldn't go anymore at this stage and Taker would have trouble carrying such a massive opponent)

Level of anticipation - If last year's III vs XXVIII was a 10, this would be a 7. I would still buy it and it is pretty well rounded, but can't match last year's iconic level. I would greatly anticipate Savage-Cena, Rock-DiBiase, Hogan-Punk, and Warrior-Lesnar and have some interest in HTM-ADR, Steamboat-Dolph, Taker-Ander for the spectacle, the tag and six man matches. The rest not so much.

My picks? I favor the XXIX bunch over the IV group 9-3 (8-3 not counting the battle royal). I won't give a match-by-match breakdown of that score, not yet at least.

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Not sure anyone still reads these, but I like doing them. SO...

It's time to fuse WMs V and XXX. The occurrence of a "play-in" match on the WM XXX card will complicate things, as will the lack of one-on-one matches, but sticking with the previous rules as much as possible, let's see what we come up with.

Double Main Event

Randy Savage vs The winner of the match between Daniel Bryan and HHH.

and

Hulk Hogan vs Randy Orton vs Batista

Pairing the matches this way keeps one WWF/E Champion in each match, plus puts Hogan with two heels and gives heel Savage at least the chance to meet a face in his match.

Obviously, this necessitates a major cheat in the opening match but I can't do much about that. So we get

Daniel Bryan vs HHH

Going traditional the rest of the way, we pair the most high-profile matches left on each card. That gives us a rematch from the WM IV-XXIX fused card and a match that sounds better the more you think about it.

The Ultimate Warrior vs Brock Lesnar

and

Ravishing Rick Rude vs The Undertaker

Next, we pair the next-highest singles match of WMV with the only one left on WMXXX, coming up with a match that would have a simple but effective build and one laden in eerieness.

Andre the Giant vs John Cena

and

Jake the Snake Roberts vs Bray Wyatt

Wanting to get the Shield involved, I have little choice but to match them against the sole three-man team competing at WMV, giving us...

The Powers of Pain and Mr. Fuji vs The Shield

Let's get the tag team champs involved. Although we already used the WMV challengers, we have to book the champions. Giving them the best heel opponents available from the multiway WMXXX match, we get

Demolition vs The Real Americans

That's nine matches (though only 8 era vs era). WMV had 14, WMXXX looks like it will have 8, so let's add two more traditional matches. Booking the WMXXX Tag Champs against the best available heel opponents, and then enlisting their dance partners, gives us

The Brain Busters vs The Usos

and

Strike Force vs Ryback and Curtis Axel

And to end the construction of the card, we'll use the 30-man battle royal and feature

The Hart Foundation, The Rockers, Ted DiBiase, Brutus Beefcake, Mr. Perfect, The Blue Blazer, The Twin Towers, Hercules, Haku, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, The Bushwhackers, The Big Show, Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Big E, Christian, Sheamus, Rey Mysterio, The Brotherhood, Mark Henry, Sin Cara, Titus O'Niel, Fandango, Brodus Clay, and Damien Sandow

So we end up with a card that puts a lot of the 1989 talent into the battle royal, though today's talent is used well for the most part. I did not realize how many tag team matches there were at WMV coming into this.

The card in full is

Randy Savage vs (Winner of Daniel Bryan vs HHH)
Hulk Hogan vs Randy Orton vs Batista
The Ultimate Warrior vs Brock Lesnar
Ravishing Rick Rude vs The Undertaker
Andre the Giant vs John Cena
Jake the Snake Roberts vs Bray Wyatt
The Powers of Pain and Mr. Fuji vs The Shield
Demolition vs The Real Americans
The Brain Busters vs The Usos
Strike Force vs Ryback and Curtis Axel
30-Man Battle Royal
Daniel Bryan vs HHH (Winner to face Randy Savage in main event)

On such a card, which match would you most (and least) look forward to? Which match would exceed most people's expectations? Or fall far short? Would you have a high level of anticipation of the card as it nears or would it fail to interest you? And who should prevail? There are 12 matches, but with one being strictly current-day, one era will ultimately prevail over the other, but which one should it be? And how does this card compare to the other fused cards? All thoughts and criticisms welcome. I'll chime in with my own opinions next week.





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Answering my own questions...

Most anticipated - Savage vs Bryan (Savage vs HHH would be a decent consolation prize but a letdown).

Least anticipated - The Battle Royal

Exceed expectations - Brain Busters-Usos is an overlooked match that could really shine.

Fall short - Strike Force vs Rybaxel. Would have loved to have given Strike Force better opposition.

Level of anticipation - More than last year, and threatening to match the III-XXVIII fused card. Would love to see Savage-Bryan, Roberts-Wyatt, Rude-Taker, Warrior-Lesnar II, and the top two tag matches. Andre-Cena would be a spectacle. Would like to see The Shield and Strike Force have better opposition.

My Picks? Discounting the Bryan-HHH match, I favor the WM XXX crew 7-5 overall (7-4 not counting the Battle Royal).





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Just read of all these and there all pretty fun. Personally I think the IV/XXX combination yielded the best results. A lot of money matches there.

Most anticipated - Macho vs a worn out Bryan c ould be the greatest big man vs little man match ever.

Least anticipated - Strike Force vs Rybaxel

Exceed expectations - Warrior vs Lesnar would be amazing and once it happened it would shut up the detractors(the reasonable ones anyway).

Fall short - Andre vs Cena. Cena's doesn't have Hogan's fan support and star power that kept the crowd glued that added to the aura to what would otherwise be a crappy match.

Level of anticipation-High with an abudance of excting matches in Jake vs Bray, Warrior vs Lesnar, Taker vs Rude, Brain Busters vs The Usos and Savage vs Bryan.

As for my picks, it goes Perfect,Strike Force, Brain Busters, Demolition, The Shield, Bray Wyatt, Cena, Undertaker, Warrior, Hogan, and Daniel Bryan. Which gives the WM V guys the win at 6-5.

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It's time to fuse WMs VI and XXXI. Sticking with the previous rules as much as possible, let's see what we come up with.

Double Main Event

Hulk Hogan vs Brock Lesnar.

and

The Ultimate Warrior vs Roman Reigns

Pairing the matches this way keeps us from having three Warrior-Lensar matches in three years. And while this is a double main event, it's hard to imagine any match having anywhere as much juice as Hogan-Lesnar.

Next, we pair the most high-profile title matches left on each card. The only other singles "title" match on VI was for the Million Dollar Belt, meaning we get...

The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase vs John Cena

and

Jake the Snake Roberts vs Rusev.

Next, we pair the next-highest singles match of WMVI with that of WMXXXI, leading to a pair of odd-looking matchups, though there is the story of Perfection vs once-perfection at Mania and of a long-haired personality against a superficial nemesis in

Mr. Perfect vs The Undertaker

and

Brutus the Barber Beefcake vs Bray Wyatt

The next two matches down the card allow for a classic confrontation as well as a class confrontation with some female involvement to a point, which gives us...

Randy "Macho Man" Savage vs Sting

and

Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire vs HHH and Stephanie McMahon

Getting the tag team titles involved, and considering The Usos are "questionable" for WM XXXI due to injury, the following matchup is put on the fused card;

Demolition vs Cesaro and Tyson Kidd

That's nine matches. WMVI had 14 televised, WMXXXI looks like it will have 8, so let's add two more to bring it up to an average of 11. Looking at who the best talent available from the singles matches on each card, that gives a match of

Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Seth Rollins

and to add to the field, let's skip a Brown-Orton match in favor of a seven-man IC ladder match, featuring;

Bad News Barrett vs Daniel Bryan vs Dean Ambrose vs Dolph Ziggler vs Bad News Brown vs Big Boss Man vs Ravishing Rick Rude

Really, I couldn't miss out on Bad News vs Bad News in some form. This is a demotion for Rude, but the same could be said of Bryan, Ziggler, and others.

So the card in full is

Hulk Hogan vs Brock Lesnar
The Ultimate Warrior vs Roman Reigns
The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase vs John Cena
Jake the Snake Roberts vs Rusev
Mr. Perfect vs The Undertaker
Brutus the Barber Beefcake vs Bray Wyatt
Randy "Macho Man" Savage vs Sting
Dusty Rhodes & Sapphire vs HHH & Stephanie McMahon
Demolition vs Cesaro and Tyson Kidd
Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Seth Rollins
Bad News Barrett vs Daniel Bryan vs Dolph Ziggler vs Dean Ambrose vs Bad News Brown vs Big Boss Man vs Ravishing Rick Rude

On such a card, which match would you most (and least) look forward to? Which match would exceed most people's expectations? Or fall far short? Would you have a high level of anticipation of the card as it nears or would it fail to interest you? And who should prevail? There are 11 matches, so barring any draws, one era will ultimately prevail over the other, but which one should it be? And how does this card compare to the other fused cards? All thoughts and criticisms welcome. I'll chime in with my own opinions next week.





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Answering my own questions...

Most anticipated - Hogan-Brock. The greatest face vs quite possibly the greatest heel in a power showdown that needs no added hype.

Least anticipated - Brutus Beefcake vs Bray Wyatt. Bray can excel with a strong foil but Brutus is not that.

Exceed expectations - Piper-Rollins has every chance to be a hidden gem that fluxuates from mat wrestling to high spots (from Rollins) to a crazy brawl.

Fall short - Mr. Perfect vs The Undertaker. Hard to imagine even Perfect carrying the 2015 version of Taker to a level that would meet most people's unrealistic expectations.

Level of anticipation - Not high, probably a 4. This fuses a one-match card with a card that has an oft-criticized main event. As such, you get one true money match and a lot of lesser-quality matchups. This may be the worst of all the fused cards.

My Picks? I go 6-5 in favor of the WMXXI group.

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I agree with some of your own answers to your own questions, but not others.

Most Anticipated: DiBiase vs. Cena is my pick. I love the main event of Hogan vs. Lesnar, but it is not the match I would anticipate the most because I've already seen it (granted, it wasn't Hogan in his prime).

Least Anticipated: Beefcake vs. Wyatt is my pick. I agree with you. This would be a colossal waste of time and a wasted opportunity to give us a good match featuring the New Face of Fear.

Exceed expectations: Rhodes & Sapphire vs. Triple H & Stephanie is my pick. I chose this one over your selection because I don't think many people would be looking past Piper vs. Rollins and getting surprised at how good the match might turn out, whereas I think the expectations of a good match would be lower for most people, and I think they would genuinely surprise a lot of folks. Although, it would be much better as a straight up one-on-one match between Rhodes and Helmsley.

Fall Short: Mr. Perfect vs. The Undertaker is my pick. I still think it has the potential to be really good, but I also recognize that expectations would be very high and I'm not sold on it being the match of the night.

It really isn't that bad of a card, honestly. I wouldn't be over the moon excited for it, but I would still look forward to it. If Hogan vs. Lesnar and Savage vs. Sting were matches that had never happened before, I'd be more excited. As it stands, the only real clunkers on your card are Beefcake vs. Wyatt and Demolition vs. Cesaro & Kidd. I like both of those tag teams, but I don't see them as being good dance partners. And the biggest let down of all for me is that you've chosen to leave Randy Orton off of the card. If you are just mishmashing the bottom of the card, then you've missed out and a golden opportunity to give us Orton vs. Rude. I think that match would be excellent!





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Slade, interesting take. Piper-Rollins or Rude-Orton? If I had to pick only one, I probably go Piper-Rollins, but Rude would be a fascinating opponent for Orton.

Mastermind, thanks for the info - I was unaware they had done that. I guess I should have copywritten these things. Intellectual property, indeed!





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Wanted to look this over with WM approaching and realized I didn't do a card last year. Oh, well, better late than never, so let's fuse WMs VII and XXXII. Sticking with the previous rules as much as possible, let's see what we come up with.

Double Main Event

Hulk Hogan vs HHH

and

Sgt. Slaughter vs Roman Reigns

Each match features a heel champ defending against a face challenger. As basic as it gets. With the added benefit that Reigns faces a heel that would not get cheered over him.

Next, we pair the most high-profile title matches left on each card. Each card only had one other one-on-one title fight, making for two oddly intriguing matches

Mr. Perfect vs Kalisto

and

Big Bossman vs Ryback

While WM XXXII didn't have a tag team title match, it did feature the longest-reigning tag team champions in the midst of said reign. So we get

New Day vs The Nasty Boys

Compared to other recent WMs, XXXII had a lot of matches. 12 to WM VII's 14, meaning we need to get 13 matches to average it out.

Next up are the two most high-profile singles matchups remaining. It's not clear-cut at WM XXXII, giving me a little wiggle room. Since I've already done Warrior-Lesnar twice, let's go

The Ultimate Warrior vs The Undertaker

and

Randy Savage vs Shane McMahon

BTW, I could have, for the first time, gone Undertaker vs Undertaker here but that goes just a bit too far for my taste. Anyway, going this way leads to the following pair of matches;

Jake Roberts vs Brock Lesnar

and

Rick Martel vs Dean Ambrose

Four more matches to go. Unfortunately, no women's match at WM VII means they get left off this card. So using the same formula of pairing the next biggest matches against each other, we get a funny combination in

Ted DiBiase vs AJ Styles

and

Virgil vs Chris Jericho

For the final matches, I'll sacrifice some overall star power in favor of match quality and provide a legendary tag team match and a battle of islanders in

The Rockers vs The Dudley Boyz

and

Haku and The Barbarian vs the Usos

Which gets to 13. This does leave out The Rock (though that "match" was not foreseen in advance of the WM XXXII card and didn't really add anything), the LOD, and all participants in the WM XXXII IC multiway and battle royal. Not to mention heel Undertaker circa 1991.

So the card in full is
Hulk Hogan vs HHH
Sgt. Slaughter vs Roman Reigns
Mr. Perfect vs Kalisto
Big Bossman vs Ryback
New Day vs The Nasty Boys
Ultimate Warrior vs Undertaker
Randy Savage vs Shane McMahon
Jake Roberts vs Brock Lesnar
Rick Martel vs Dean Ambrose
Ted DiBiase vs AJ Styles
Virgil vs Chris Jericho
The Rockers vs The Dudley Boyz
Haku and Barbarian vs The Usos

On such a card, which match would you most (and least) look forward to? Which match would exceed most people's expectations? Or fall far short? Would you have a high level of anticipation of the card as it nears or would it fail to interest you? And who should prevail? There are 11 matches, so barring any draws, one era will ultimately prevail over the other, but which one should it be? And how does this card compare to the other fused cards? All thoughts and criticisms welcome. I'll chime in with my own opinions next week before beginning to construct the VIII-XXXIII card.

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Answering my own questions...

Most anticipated - Hogan-HHH. The greatest face vs quite possibly the greatest heel, with each a little past their primes. Similar to a Hogan-Flair dream match in the early 1990's but with HHH not quite as technical but a lot more physical.

Least anticipated - Slaughter-Reigns. Not a bad match but not what 1/2 of a double main event should be, and the booking is obvious.

Exceed expectations - DiBiase-Styles could get lost in the pre-hype shuffle but this one should be outstanding.

Fall short - New Day-Nasties. New Day could carry the Nasties to a degree but their styles don't mesh.

Level of anticipation - Depends on your perception of Hogan-HHH. I get how some would relish it while others think it features overhyped performers. I like it and it would carry a pretty well rounded card to a 7 for me.

My Picks? I go 7-6 in favor of the WMXII group.





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So the card in full is
Hulk Hogan vs HHH
Sgt. Slaughter vs Roman Reigns
Mr. Perfect vs Kalisto
Big Bossman vs Ryback
New Day vs The Nasty Boys
Ultimate Warrior vs Undertaker
Randy Savage vs Shane McMahon
Jake Roberts vs Brock Lesnar
Rick Martel vs Dean Ambrose
Ted DiBiase vs AJ Styles
Virgil vs Chris Jericho
The Rockers vs The Dudley Boyz
Haku and Barbarian vs The Usos


Your rules be damned. I think you'd get a much better show by shifting wrestlers from either era up and down the card. Here's how I would do it:

Hulk Hogan vs. Roman Reigns
Sgt. Slaughter vs. Triple H
Ultimate Warrior vs. The Undertaker
Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles
Jake Roberts vs. Dean Ambrose
Mr. Perfect vs. Brock Lesnar
Ted DiBiase vs. Shane McMahon (Money, money, money, money, money! vs. Here comes the MONEY! Money, Money, hey! Money, Money, Hey!)
Rick Martel vs. Chris Jericho
Big Bossman vs. Kevin Owens (who was IC Champ going into the event)
Haku & Barbarian vs. The New Day
The Nasty Boys vs. Dudley Boyz (in a hardcore shmoz)
The Rockers vs. The Usos

I think you get many more compelling matchups with better chances at quality bouts - especially Savage vs. Styles - and better sports entertainment things too - like DiBiase vs. McMahon and The Model vs. Y2J.

Just because I rebooked nearly everything doesn't mean I don't think your card is without merit. Ultimate Warrior vs. The Undertaker is a big money match and I'd be all in for Macho Man vs. Shane-O-Mac. I also don't think New Day vs. The Nasty Boys is that bad an idea, honestly. I think Jake Roberts vs. Brock Lesnar falls short of both of those guys are capable of doing. I think booking them against each other doesn't work to either of their strengths. I think I would be least interested in the Big Bossman vs. Ryback.





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I do like this card, especially Savage-Styles, Roberts-Ambrose, and the oddly-historic Brock-Perfect. It does largely circumvent my self-imposed rules (which I myself have done from time to time), but we're all here to have fun and challenge our creativity.





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Time for the WM VIII-WM XXXIII fused card! Same rules as always.

Double Main Event

Hulk Hogan vs Brock Lesnar

and

Sid Justice vs Goldberg

I hated that Hulk-Sid was the ME instead of the title match, but it works all right here to give us some epic hoss battles, with a Hogan-Brock rematch from two years ago.

Next, the highest-profile title matches remaining on each card give us some really interesting matches in

Ric Flair vs Randy Orton

and

Randy Savage vs Bray Wyatt

Time for the tag team title matches. WM XXXIII features a triple-threat tag title match, so one of the challengers will have to be left out. I'll keep the team that makes for the more interesting challenge for the WM VIII champs.

Money Inc. vs Cesaro & Sheamus

and

The Natural Disasters vs Gallows & Anderson

That's six matches. WM VIII had 10, WM XXXIII will have thirteen, so the sweet spot will be eleven.

While there are higher profile matches on the WM XXXIII card based on hype, if not fan interest, the secondary title matches are just too good to ignore. That gets us these two gems;

Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Chris Jericho

and

Bret Hart vs Kevin Owens

This is very RAW-heavy so far, but honestly, the Smackdown side of WM XXXIII does not lend itself as well to the fused card, and that trend will continue here. The next most heavily-hyped matches present a problem that I will handle in the most straightforward way possible.

The Undertaker (1992) vs Roman Reigns

and

The Undertaker (2017) vs Jake Roberts

One match to go. No prominent women on the WM VIII card means no women's match. Or mixed tag. Instead, I'll use a little 20/20 hindsight and elevate someone to create a match that was actually rumored for a while for this year.

Shawn Michaels vs AJ Styles

That's the eleven. No Cena, no Miz, no Rollins or HHH, no women, no Ambrose on the XXXIII side, though the VIII side doesn't seem to have any glaring omissions.

So the card in full is
Hulk Hogan vs Brock Lesnar II
Sid Justice vs Goldberg
Ric Flair vs Randy Orton
Randy Savage vs Bray Wyatt
Money Inc. vs Cesaro & Sheamus
Natural Disasters vs Gallows & Anderson
Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Chris Jericho
Bret Hart vs Kevin Owens
Undertaker (1992) vs Roman Reigns
Undertaker (2017) vs Jake Roberts
Shawn Michaels vs AJ Styles

On such a card, which match would you most (and least) look forward to? Which match would exceed most people's expectations? Or fall far short? Would you have a high level of anticipation of the card as it nears or would it fail to interest you? And who should prevail? There are 11 matches, so barring any draws, one era will ultimately prevail over the other, but which one should it be? And how does this card compare to the other fused cards? All thoughts and criticisms welcome. I'll chime in with my own opinions soon since it's close to WM Sunday already.

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Answering my own questions;

Most anticipated - lots to choose from IMO but I'll go Piper-Jericho. Piper was an underrated wrestler, both are technically faces with a lot of edge, and this could really produce.

Least anticipated - Sid-Goldberg. Nothing we've seen from Goldberg indicates he is ready for a WM main event in 2017. Sid is not an opponent who can hide that.

Exceed expectations - It's not so much that expectations would be low, but I think Taker-Jake would get overlooked. I bet these grizzled veterans would be able to pull out a lot of tricks to get to a pretty intense match. Honorable mention here to Disasters-Gallows & Anderson, which I think could be a surprisingly good strong match.

Fall short - I have to pick Sid-Goldberg again. I would have no illusions about this being a great, good, average, or serviceable match but I think younger fans might.

Level of excitement - really high, actually. The main events feature one good matchup and one poor one but most everything else about this card I really like. Flair-Orton could produce Orton's best career match and tell a heckuva story. Savage-Wyatt would be all sorts of crazy in the best possible sense. Bret-Owens and Shawn-AJ would be must-see in two very different types of matches. And the twin Taker matches would be gimmicky but still compelling, again in two totally different ways. The stories that these matches could tell seem incredible. I will call this a 9.5/10 - replacing Sid-Goldberg with Rollins-Perfect would have made this a 10+. (I know Perfect didn't wrestle at the time, but no other foe on WM VIII would have been worthy for the Architect).

My picks? - 6-5 for the WM VIII class.

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