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posted on 10-2-2011 at 06:11 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Hell In A Cell Predictions/Discussion

PPV is tonight and with only five matches announced, you figure some of them will be getting a lot of time (though an impromptu match being thrown together at some point seems kind of likely). My picks:

John Cena vs. CM Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio: I'm betting on some kind of shenanigans here, probably involving Miz and R-Truth. Either way, I think Cena retains since I can't really see Punk or Del Rio leaving with the belt.

Mark Henry vs. Randy Orton: To me, this one is really tough to call. On the one hand, it seems too early to pull the plug on Henry's title run (there's something I never thought I'd type). On the other hand, does Randy Orton really job out at two PPVs in a row? I know I'll regret it later, but I'm going to say that Henry somehow retains.

Sheamus vs. Christian: Could go either way, but I think Sheamus wins.

Sin Cara vs. Sin Cara: I don't think this feud is going to end here, so I'll pick the evil Sin Cara to win.

Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix: Beth pretty much has to win here or else this feud is just completely ruined.

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posted on 10-2-2011 at 06:20 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I said it in the Hell in a Cell prediction game thread, and I'll say it here-- Will the Sin Caras match be under blue/gold or black/silver lights?

Other than that... I pretty much see Cena winning again, though they still have that tour of Mexico coming right up, so I could see them maybe giving the belt right back to Del Rio for a little while.

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Cena has to retain. They panicked to get the title back on him because of the slumping ratings, I can't see them taking it off him so soon. Punk vs Del Rio is supposed to be a feud coming out of this. Cena moves on to ??? Probably Truth/Miz to set up his big heel turn at MSG.

Henry vs Orton - Henry will retain or will lose because Big Show and/or Kane make their return to break their way into the Cell. Sets up a Monster's Match at Survivor Series - Henry vs Show vs Kane vs Khali

Sheamus vs Christian - Christian needs to go over if they want to continue this feud. Each could be part of rival teams at SS.

Sin Cara vs Sin Cara - most interesting thing will be how the two work together. They don't like each other, and Hunico could be released with a bad showing, so does Mistico sandbag? And if Mistico does sandbag, folks in the back will know. nobody will care about this match - this feud hasn't caught on, and has been booked like shit. In the very least this should have been a three-way dance with Bryan involved.

Kelly vs Beth - couldn't care less.

This is too soon for another PPV - I suspect it will do shit buys. I didn't even know it was tonight. Should have just combined HIAC with Survivor Series to make a Survivor Series War Games concept Main Event.

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posted on 10-2-2011 at 07:13 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Sin Cara vs Sin Cara - most interesting thing will be how the two work together. They don't like each other, and Hunico could be released with a bad showing, so does Mistico sandbag? And if Mistico does sandbag, folks in the back will know. nobody will care about this match - this feud hasn't caught on, and has been booked like shit. In the very least this should have been a three-way dance with Bryan involved.

[Edited on 10-2-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]


From http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/news.html

"WE has been hitting strong sales of the Sin Cara mask they sell due to the new Sin Cara vs. Sin Cara feud."
-Thursday Sept 22, 2011

The feud has caught on.

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I'll agree the sin cara feud has caught on, I'll also agree it has been booked like shit. If they had a couple more weeks we could have had a scenario whereby evil SC (instead of cutting the shitty quasi-promo he cut on smackdown) could have come out with an evil manager. Someone who, you know spoke english, had good heat and could explain the whole mistico name steal gripe. The introduction of said manager (let's say vicki guerrero because who else in modern wwe?) would allow a screw finish in match 1 and a proper feud to be built. I don't really see any of that happening though - SC1 (the shitty, good one) will win and that will end it. which sucks.

I think we may see a title change in the main event, maybe on to punk. Henry will see off orton and beth will beat kelly. I'm assuming Cody will get some sort of match on the PPV too.

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From http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/news.html

"WE has been hitting strong sales of the Sin Cara mask they sell due to the new Sin Cara vs. Sin Cara feud."
-Thursday Sept 22, 2011

The feud has caught on.


Pssh, they're selling LUCHADORE masks. You know how popular those are with college kids that don't even watch wrestling? They could put any person under a mask and, if they sold those masks, they would be bought in insane numbers. Hell, on my last trip to Chicago, I went to a street festival where they had two separate luchadore mask stands, neither one of them selling anything particularly well-designed, and both of them were absolutely packed.

The big thing is that every Sin Cara match I've seen, the audience has been near-dead. In that battle royal last week, there was nearly zero reaction when the Sin Cara's switched. And the week before, when they faced off, the crowd reaction could best be described as "polite applause".





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Just saw on Twitter that WWE magazine are pushing if ADR wins he'll have won Royal Rumble, Money in the Bank, Hell in the Cell & 2 WWE titles.
With the Best Year Ever tag.
Why are they waiting until 3 hours before the event to push this kind of idea?

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Just saw on Twitter that WWE magazine are pushing if ADR wins he'll have won Royal Rumble, Money in the Bank, Hell in the Cell & 2 WWE titles.
With the Best Year Ever tag.
Why are they waiting until 3 hours before the event to push this kind of idea?


And he still wouldn't be over for shit.





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Yep.

I'd say he was nearly over huge on Smackdown & leaving him there to have Orton & Christian Chase would have been the sensible play, but instead he wasted the summer & now they wonder why no one takes him seriously?

Will it become the new version of the "beat Austin & Rock in one night" that foes nothing for the wrestler at all?

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Wow, so we're back to the short-card PPV's again where they tell us they are giving us "bonus" matches instead of well thought out angles and feuds that should culminate at a PPV instead of just kinda being there.... I'm hoping this is a side effect of poorly planning a 2 week gap between shows instead of a return to that sub par format.

With that...

Cena vs ADR vs Punk - HITC - WWE Title
I think Punk is the odd one out in this scenario, and with his various ongoing problems with both Nash and Laurenaitis I think you have an easy out in terms of them somehow gaining access to the cage (Nash under the ring?) and costing a moments from victory Punk. I think for simplicities sake you can throw Cena into that mix as well, as he might as well eat a big boot so that ADR can get the cheap cover. Alternatively, and my preference would be to have Truth and Miz make the run in (how do you run in on a structure who's whole point is no run ins....?)

I'm sure to be in the minority, but outside of a few misteps I've largely enjoyed the HHH vs Punk stuff as its kept a lot of questions still up in the air. I think HHH going over Punk made the most sense at NOC, but at the same time I do think its time for HHH to move slightly to the background for a couple of weeks in order to help let his possible heel involvement at some level (or alternatively him staying a fresh face) maintain the storyline until a WM culmination, where at THAT point Punk should go over clean. In the interim you have him finish his business with Nash.

So I'm thinking ADR gets the cheap win, goes on to tag with Truth and Miz (and maybe Nash) at Survivor series leaving Cena and Punk to team up with special guest star the Rock. That gives us a brief interlude where Cena and ADR can feud over the belt before Rock comes back for more of a full time schedule.

If Cena does go heel at any point, I wouldn't have it happen until the Rock was back full time, and not full blown heel until the WM match, that way Cena can go over as the unbeatable heel that you build someone against instead of just another heel... although honestly, I don't think you ever really need to turn Cena as he's already both the biggest face and the biggest heel in the biz.

My Vote: ADR via 3rd party run in.

RKO vs Henry - HITC - World title
I don't think Orton really needs the title, and quite frankly I think if he takes it you're doing a big diservice on many levels... ie, the excellent work of Mark Henry of late becomes a fluke win as opposed to him proving years of critics wrong. A face champ also hinders the rise of the face Sheamus. Rhodes has got some legit reasons to want to screw with Orton and could use that top level feud to push him to the next level... so Maybe Rhodes interferes to help Orton save some face (although i don't think he needs it) and sets up a bigger feud between them. Mark Henry can then go on to face Sheamus who could end the monsters career, do a quick feud against Christian (so I'd think about Christian winning tonight...) to solidify him, and then move on to whatever your Wrestlemania co-main event is going to be with either Sheamus or Orton as champ. (personally I'd go with a Sheamus vs Barrett match with Daniel Bryan inserted into the mix as a triple threat)

My Vote; Mark Henry

Sheamus vs Christian
As mentioned above for long term plans I like the idea of Christian going over so that he has something to really gripe about when Sheamus eventually wins the title, which would also help keep him as a credible contender. So let Christian cheat to win tonight, then have Sheamus win some kind of Battle Royale or something for the #1 contendership between now and survivor series.

My Vote: Christian

Beth vs Kelly - Women's title
The WWE seems bent on trying to make KK a legit wrestling champ, and for that I applaude them for it, but the problem is that they are doing it at the expense of any and all that would be worth building her up against... I thin mission accomplished on KK as I think she's had some entertaining matches the last while, but nows the time for Beth to go over and then dominate until WM. With how Kong left, when she ultimately returns I'm thinking she's a face, so Beth would make for the best heel, but even if she only did the bare minimum 9 months from May/June, that's a long way off, so I don't see that one falling into any plans.

My Vote: Beth Phoenix

Sin Cara vs Sin Cara - Will the real Sin Cara please stand up?
So the cheap answer here would be to secure my vote by saying Sin Cara will win and leave it at that... I think the WWE has a real problem with Sin Cara in that he's not really clicking with anyone in the ring, and probably only tearing up the merch sales because of the whole masked wrestler thing. They also don't really have anyone else they could throw him up against outside of perhaps Wade Barrett for a one and done type feud after throwing him into a survivor series match....

So here's my guess; I've got too many heels going over so I've got to be wrong on one of the other matches, but I think this is the one feel good one where you give to the kids watching - so Good Sin Cara wins. In saying that, I doubt these two are completely done as sticking them on opposite survivor series teams is an easy way to keep things going in a harmless water treading fashion. I like the idea of a heel who wears a mask, but I think sometime in the near future you do a mask vs mask match where upon Hunico goes bye-bye sans mask.

My Vote: The good Sin Cara

Other stuff
I think they probably throw Ziggler and Swagger together in a tag match against Air Boom. Both pairs have been getting a lot of TV time and story time to be completely left off a PPV so this seems like an easy way to give Air Boom another notch on the belts, and to further the tension between Vickie's talent.

I don't like my thoughts about run-ins in both the main events, so I'm thinking we need another reason for Rhodes to be on the show, so maybe a final quick squash of Dibiase, who I still believe could be a bigger star, but who could use bit of time off and a character reset.

Otherwise you've got Riley, Barrett, Bryan, Morrison, and a few other stragglers without anything to do at all, so maybe you do some kind of cross brand Lumber Jack match to get a bunch of people onto the show in a cheap and easy way?

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posted on 10-3-2011 at 12:31 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
John Cena vs. CM Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio: Cena, pinning ADR but only after Punk does all the work, only for another Nash/Awesome Truth type intereference to cost him the win. I don't get why this being the first ever triple threat HIAC is meant to get me excited when over ten years ago, they had a 6 Man version, in the era where they actually went outside the cage and up top and threw each other off of it. No matter how good it is as a match, it's not going to have anywhere near the spectacle HIAC matches used to have.

Orton vs. Henry: Against my better judgment, Henry.

Sheamus vs. Christian: Christian.

Sin Cara vs. Twin Cara: Sin Cara, but Twin Cara will continue the feud.

Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix: Beth, but probably only with cheating, rendering it totally meaningless.

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posted on 10-3-2011 at 12:52 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
dark match: D Bryan over JTG via Lebelle lock. lots of empty seats on hard camera side.
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posted on 10-3-2011 at 01:03 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Looks pretty full now. Would post a link for it, but not sure if it'd get Rick in trouble or not?
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posted on 10-3-2011 at 01:27 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
So far:

* Miz and Truth bought ringside tickets, but got kicked out by Johnny Funkhauser
* Sheamus pinned Christian after a very good 15 minute match


And if you want to post links to streams, I think I can escape prosecution. Just don't embed them here. Better yet, post a link to the site that postes links to the streams. I've grown fond of my2p2forum.eu for my obscure (A-10) college hoops needs, but they had sections for pretty much all sports...


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Rick, don't know how lomg its been since you checked it but myp2p has pretty much vanished now - now it's www.freefootball.eu - slect live streams - all sports at the top, then 'all other sports' again to the right of the tennis ball. WWE Hell in a Cell is second in the list.
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posted on 10-3-2011 at 01:59 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Two more results:

* Sin Cara #1/Blue pinned Sin Cara #2/Black (some "boring" chants, but definitely the fault of the booking, not the in-ring effort)
* Air Boom beat Swagger/Ziggler in a very good (and well-received) match; Swagger took the pinfall and got yelled at afterwards by Vickie


And I didn't know myp2p was gone. That sucks; should I assume it got shut down around the same time as channelsurfing and ATDHE? I last used it in March, since "off-brand" college hoops is really the only thing that gets televised, but not always on channels that I can get on my cable. I'll make a note of the replacement.

Up next is Henry/Orton. In other words: I have a sudden urge to urinate and fix a snack.


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Henry counters the punt with a power slam and wins.

Lamest HitC match ever, honestly. Really punchy-kicky, not many spots. Glad Henry retained though

After math, Henry tried to use the chair to break Randy's ankle, Randy rolls out of the way and beats Henry with it while Henry escapes up the ramp. Better than actual match.

Cody is forced to fight Morrison in a suit...because HHH is a dick, I guess. Cody also presented the classic IC title belt as a replacement. Neato.

Cody retains via roll up.

Awesome Truth fucks up the locker room and beats up a few guys, Air Boom included.

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Henry counters the punt with a power slam and wins.
[Edited on 10-3-2011 by TonyTH]


This PPV has become an instant classic in my mind.

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posted on 10-3-2011 at 02:47 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Latest two segments:

* Cody Rhodes came out to implement Phase 2 of his IC Title Relegitimatization: he put the current belt in a paper bag, and then introduced the old classic IC Title (except mounted on white, Warrior-style) as the replacement, of which I approve... as part of his boasting, he issued an "anytime, anywhere" title defense policy...
* Cody Rhodes (in street clothes) pinned Johnny Morrison in a match ordered by some combination of Johnny Ace/HHH; decent action, but the crowd was dead, as tends to be the case for anything involving Cody

Next: diva action~! Why can't my bladder be full again?


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BOUT FUCKING TIME!

*Beth is the new WWE Diva's champion.

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RE: Watch for free ...

I'm watching the PPV right now on a site that offers streams from other sites, so I think I'm okay saying that you can watch for free on firstrowsports.tv

Also, when you use the internet to get stuff for free, it will sometimes switch to the Spanish language feed without warning.

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So the HITC match still hasn't ended the Orton/Henry feud? Awesome.

Why not give Beth the win 2 months ago? Are they trying to legitimize Kelly?





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Final result:

* Alberto del Rio wins the WWE Title. Very time-compressed (an 18-minute match that they tried to present as 30+), but very, very cleverly booked so that the various powder-outs (to turn the 3-way into 1-on-1) seemed like cool bits of cherry-pickery, rather than obvious narrative crutches... end booking was equally clever, as Alberto and Ricardo managed to open the Cell, lure Cena out of the Cell, and then lock the Cell so that Cena had to stand by and watch del Rio cheat to score the pin over Punk (thanks to a steel pipe).
* After the match, Miz and Truth (in hoodies) snuck into the ring the second the Cell started to rise, and then laid waste to all three men for several minutes; the lockerroom (and HHH) tried to make a save, but the Cell mysterious re-lowered... as soon as bolt cutters were produced, cops got in the ring, and Miz/Truth immediately got on their knees and let themselves get arrested, rather than face the mob justice outside... HHH (in super angry mode), attacked Miz/Truth while they were being led away in cuffs, and got arrested himself....

Not a bad show at all. The women's match got kind of botchy at the end, and Henry/Orton was blandtastic (but had the best possible finish, with Orton pitching a hissyfit after Henry kicked out of the HangmanDDT/RKO combo, wasting the time needed for him to get pasted by Henry countering the bootie-kick into a slam), but otherwise, you can't complain about the effort...

Unless you want to complain about the fact that (even with 2 impromptu matches and a post-main event angle) the show was 20+ minutes light....


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Why did Cena get the belt two weeks ago only to lose it now? Because somebody loved the idea to this finish of the champ getting locked outside of the ring?

Cena will beat Flair's title reign record by this time next year the way the wwe passes around the title these days.





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I'm not upset that I didn't invest 2 and a half hours to this show, but I am really intrigued by the Miz/Truth story and with Monday Night Football putting a pretty shitty (on paper) game on tomorrow, I may actually make watching Raw a priority





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