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posted on 8-19-2010 at 05:31 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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No more actual polls will be going up for tournaments, because with 18 posters in the draft itself, over 50 votes on a single poll (each vote one-upping the former) seems fishy.

My dilemma here is how to move on. I put up re-vote threads for round 2, but Horseman mentioned round 1 polls, as they may have been fucked with, too. So do we just go with the original round 2 polls and finish off the tournament to get it over with? Should we go with the re-votes for round 2 because it's a more fair way to do the voting? Should we go back to round 1 and re-do the entire tournament with shorter time schedules; Re-seed, re-do everything?

Any input would help.

At least with all the troubles with the first OO draft here, the second should go much more smoothly.





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posted on 8-19-2010 at 05:34 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Say "F IT" and start over, maybe?

I mean, it started off weird in the 1st round with like 3 byes and not enough/too many players...

Restart, reseed and revote? Do it with the actual players (no DK, no Lucky) as long as they're still around (did MSTaker disappear forever?). Have single elimination- vote for your faves. No 3-ways or whatever.

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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:09 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
We could all just say fuck this and stop the tournament dead in its tracks and just wait for the second OO draft where everything should run more smoothly.





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If you re-started, or did the Season 2 draft, I'd suggest something like this, pretending that there's a nice, even 16 teams in the draft.

First, randomly split it in two. Eight teams in the WWE division, one in the TNA division. Name them as you will.

Then have everyone submit their cards. Voters must then rank them, 1 to 8, for both divisions. Award points accordingly. The top 4 teams from each division move on.

Advantages so far? You get the same number of identified votes for each card, you've seeded everybody for the next round, and you're not getting a potential final-round match-up happening in the first round; at worst, you're arguing about the 5th best card.

Now that you're down to 8, 4 per division, you seed them and cross them over. The best card in the WWE takes on the 4th-place TNA, etc. And go from there.

Does this make any sense? I really didn't spend THAT much time thinking about it, but I have organized a couple of tournaments in my day.

-edit- And I really like my roster in this draft too.

[Edited on 8-19-2010 by Fifth Horseman]

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We could all just say fuck this and stop the tournament dead in its tracks and just wait for the second OO draft where everything should run more smoothly.


I'm against this. That draft took too long to waste, plus I like my roster.





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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:31 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
So propose what you would like to see done. Any of the things I mentioned in the original post, or anything you can think of on your own as Horseman did.

I'm in the party that doesn't care about this draft anymore, so I'm just willing to listen to the majority consensus.

I'm headed to work, so I'll check back in later tonight and see how much more shit has happened then.

[Edited on 8-19-2010 by Matte]





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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:42 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Voting without a poll is stupid. There are ALOT more people who post on OO so I don't get why the # of votes is an issue.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:43 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
If that were true:

Dev Sop, Matte and Flammable would be eliminated.

But for some reason....?

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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:48 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The whole one-upping each other every vote was what swayed me away from poll voting.

Dev has 20 votes.
Chris has 19 votes.

2 minutes later, Chris has 21, Dev has 20.

10 minutes later, Dev has 23, Chris has 22.

It went like this the entire time. It just strikes me as off. Poll-less voting gives everyone on OO an opportunity to vote but without the chance of multiple registered accounts, IP address changing, etc. It makes it more likely to be true.

But I don't care. So whatever the consensus is when I get back, that's what I'll go with. If people agree with Dev that this is stupid and we should just stick with the original numbers, then I'll agree with that and we can move on as planned. It doesn't matter to me. I'll check back later. :)

And MSD, I tolerate you. But it's things like this that annoy me. You call out the polls for one-upping each other and being fishy, and suggest that future polls are counted only with replies from posters. Then here, you call me out on trying to make the polls more fair by doing what you had suggested. Things like that.

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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:50 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
If people had voted with multiple accounts, what would stop them from doing it here?
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:51 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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If that were true:

Dev Sop, Matte and Flammable would be eliminated.

But for some reason....?


Actually I won my poll over Chris so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:52 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Personally, I'm for the original polls.





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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:52 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Actually you didn't. You were down at 12:00 pm EST on the dot. Down, down, down.
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Then I lost and I never have to deal with your pathetic fucking ass again. Not only do I wish you get hit by a bus, but I hope every fucking member of your pathetic family gets cancer from a bag of infected cocks that you were busy sucking, you waste of human flesh.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:56 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
He likes you MSD. He left out the FaceAIDS.






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posted on 8-19-2010 at 06:59 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Thank you very kindly. Your maturity level continues to shine through.

Fuckin punk, you ain't a leader - nobody followed you.

You was never shit - you're mother should've swallowed you.

You on some tagalong flunkie yes man shit
Do me a favor, please get off MSD's dick.

That is all.

EDIT: And yeah, obviously I am for keeping the original polls and changing the voting procedure NEXT round as well. That's why this whole thing got derailed. Cuz we went back and changed the rules in between rounds. I would VOTE to keep the original participants - move on to the next round - and go from there. Keep all this in mind for the next go-round.

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posted on 8-19-2010 at 07:24 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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If that were true:

Dev Sop, Matte and Flammable would be eliminated.

But for some reason....?


Actually I won my poll over Chris so I have no idea what you're talking about.


And we tied.

And I see why you're upset about Punker, but we were the top 2 vote-getters by far so it makes sense to only be us. And if someone was screwing things up for Punker, they would have just hammered one of us instead of making it close. Unless...that's what they wanted us to think! Dun dun dun!

Matte, I'm fine with the revoting we're doing and moving forward without anonymous polls. If you can click a button, then you can post a reply with a name in it.





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posted on 8-19-2010 at 07:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
But we didn't tie. You had one up on me, Dev Sop had two more votes than CiG and Matte had two more votes.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 08:48 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'm for re-voting simply because of the accountability. If you post, the vote counts. That way there is some way to keep track of who voted and for whom, instead of just relying on a nebulous "well, lots of people lurk and wanted to vote" thing.

Now if the polling system allowed us to see who voted, that'd be a much better solution. But I definitely see Matte's issue in that a lot of voting can seem fishy, without at least being able to keep track of the voters themselves.

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posted on 8-19-2010 at 08:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Then start over from the beginning. Not halfway through. Either finish as it is - or bring everybody back for "accountability" issues. It's only fair.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 08:53 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
That presents even more problems than just this. At least with this fix, the voting is still actually moving forward. Resetting everything is a real mess instead of just a small hiccup.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 09:03 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Whatever, man. I won, Matte and Dev Sop were eliminated. I just find it funny voting is an issue NOW, but wasn't when CLEARLY BETTER cards like 5th Horseman (and dare I even say MSTaker????) were getting eliminated while 3 other people got byes.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 09:32 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Please stop posting. I'm begging you. No one cares anymore besides you.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 09:46 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
And you. Since you rigged the votes.
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posted on 8-19-2010 at 09:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yup, totally rigged the votes in a fantasy wrestling fed on a message board.
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