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posted on 10-17-2002 at 01:39 AM Edit Post
Reasons why WCW is out of buisness

Well here is my list

David Arquette being WCW champion
The screwing of Hulk Hogan
Vince Russo
Having Jeff Jarret shoved down our throat every week
Stupid Gimmick matches (Remeber Viagra on a poll?)
Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Chris Jericho leaving
Haku winning the Hardcore Title and then going to the WWF the next we
WCW Hardcore Title
Kevin Nash bookings
Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's streak
Sting ripping off the Crow (I liked it but it was a reason that WCW went out of buisness)
LWO
New Blood
Ready to Rumble

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posted on 10-17-2002 at 12:52 PM Edit Post
but you forgot.....

Some other reasons WCW went out of business

-New Blood Thrillas
-the complete misuse of Mike Awesome ("Fat chick thriller"?)
-"day-of" writing/booking
-Vince Russo (he was a plant from WWF/E to kill WCW - prove me wrong)
-no sense of continuity
-not just ONE but TWO "restarts"
-Juggling the WCW Title like a hot potato (see "Vince Russo")

Shame, too, Vinnie Mac needs competition

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posted on 10-18-2002 at 01:06 AM Edit Post
-Tony Schiavonne Constantly Hyping every Nitro as the "biggest ever."
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posted on 10-18-2002 at 05:09 AM Edit Post
Sorry, but the missuse of Mike Awesome isn't going to send anybody out of business. He's just not that good when he's not fighting Masato Tanaka.






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posted on 10-18-2002 at 08:29 AM Edit Post
DOH~! how did I forget Tony? someone better tell his protoge Michael Cole to tone it down a bit, too, before the Hype-C goes to his head!!!






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posted on 10-18-2002 at 10:42 AM Edit Post
-Failure to build new talent.
-David Arquette as champion
-Titles not meaning anything
-RETARDED wrestling matches like when DJ Smooth channeled early `90s Undertaker and no sold a whole match of Kanyon hitting him in the head with every thing under the sun despite supposedly having a head injury
-celebrity wreslting matches






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posted on 10-18-2002 at 01:36 PM Edit Post
All were contributing factors...However the worse..

Master P and No Limit Soldiers..HOOTIE HOOT.

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posted on 10-18-2002 at 04:54 PM Edit Post
Actually, yeah, that whole Master P thing just smacked of wrong. It was funny, because Master P thought he was the shit, and guaranteed a sellout in Atlanta if he was there (even though it was their homebase and they should have sold out Atlanta without thinking about it). The way the redneck WCW fans reacted to him was hilarious. Absolutely brutal.





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posted on 10-18-2002 at 05:28 PM Edit Post
One of the all time worse angles ever. Remember how Bischoff bragged about signing him even saying how excited his son was because he was a huge Master P fan. The whole birthday celebration in the ring for Mater P's little brother, Silk the Shocker was abolutely putrid.
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posted on 10-18-2002 at 07:23 PM Edit Post
I hated, hated, hated the Silkk the Shocker birthday celebration. Master P can go and eat a fat dick for all I care, for helping ruin WCW and for being a creator of the worst hip hop this side of P. Diddy.






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posted on 10-18-2002 at 08:41 PM Edit Post
That must've been after I gave up completely on WCW






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posted on 10-19-2002 at 02:49 AM Edit Post
Consider yourself lucky. I watched the thing, and I can honestly say that was the day I knew WCW would never come back. I would also like to point out that WCW thought it would be a good idea to have a DJ at all Nitro events. I can't remember his name, but trying to watch him "pump up" the crowd was too painful to watch. (That was the point I started switching to RAW)
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posted on 10-19-2002 at 03:05 AM Edit Post
I particularly liked how WCW misjudged their audiance so bad that they had no idea the West texas Rednecks would get cheered and the rappers would get booed.
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posted on 10-19-2002 at 03:21 AM Edit Post
Also, I was just perusing a title histories page and found this particular information which, with a little abstract thought, will clearly show why WCW went out of business...

WCW Tag-Team Title changes in 2000


David Flair & Crowbar (Devon Storm) 00/01/03 Greenville, SC
Defeat Kevin Nash & Scott Steiner in tournament final.

Mamalukes (Big Vito & Johnny the Bull) 00/01/18 Evansville, IN

Ron Harris & Don Harris [2] 00/02/12 Oberhausen, GERMANY

Mamalukes [2] 00/02/13 Leipzig, GERMANY

Ron Harris & Don Harris [3] 00/03/19 Miami, FL
Declared vacant by WCW executives Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo on 00/04/10 in Denver, CO.

Shane Douglas & Buff Bagwell 00/04/16 Chicago, IL
Defeat Ric Flair & Lex Luger in tournament final.

Kronik (Brian Adams & Brian Clark) 00/05/15 Biloxi, MS
Defeat Douglas & Wall, subbing for suspended Bagwell.

Sean Stasiak & Chuck Palumbo 00/05/30 Nampa, ID

Kronik [2] 00/07/09 Daytona Beach, FL

Great Muta & Vampiro 00/08/13 Vancouver, BC

Juventud Guerrera & Rey Misterio Jr. 00/08/14 Kelowna, BC

Vacant on 00/09/18 when Disco Inferno puts up the title as collateral against Ernest Miller's WCW Commissioner status for one day and loses the match.

Mark Jindrak & Sean O'Haire 00/09/25 Uniondale, NY
Win a tag team battle royal.

Lt. Loco (Chavo Guerrero, Jr.) & Corporal Cajun (Lash LaRoux) 00/10/09 Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Mark Jindrak & Sean O'Haire [2] 00/10/09 Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Alex Wright & General Rection 00/11/16 Oberhausen, GERMANY

Perfect Event (Shawn Stasiak & Chuck Palumbo) [2] 00/11/20 Augusta, GA
Defeat Wright and Elix Skipper.

Kevin Nash & Dallas Page # 00/11/26 Milwaukee, WI
Nash pins Stasiak, who is not a legal person in the ring.

Perfect Event # 00/12/04
Belt returned because of the controversial ending.

The Insiders (Kevin Nash & Dallas Page) 00/12/17 Washington, DC

Count the absurdities...

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posted on 10-27-2002 at 02:50 AM Edit Post
These aren't the reasons WCW is out of business. These are the reasons WCW sucked.

The reason WCW is out of business is because AOL bought Time Warner and made the sale of WCW one of the conditions. That alone wouldn't have killed WCW (if Fuscient or whatever had bought it, it could have at least had a chance to be saved) but then they cancelled Nitro and Thunder, which they hadn't previously said they were going to do. Fuscient thought they'd still have the timeslots, but without them realized they'd have nothing to try and turn around, so they backed out and Vinnie Mac came along and picked up what was left out of the clearance bin.

Sucking didn't kill WCW, if it did, WCW would have been out of business long before that. AOL killed WCW. Probably so they'd have more money to spend on those stupid CD's they keep sending me that I just throw away.

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posted on 10-28-2002 at 09:31 AM Edit Post
but if WCW didn't suck so hard, then it would've made money, and AOL would've been much more likely to keep it.

AOL dropped it because it was losing millions of dollars a year. And it was losing millions a year because it sucked donkey dick.






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posted on 10-28-2002 at 12:19 PM Edit Post
I think that the entire WCW is one of the most interesting topics in contemparary wrestling today. While Vince McMahon can claim to have the rag to riches story from living in a trailer park at the age of twelve (when he was living with his mother) to owning a huge billion dollar conglomerate in 2000. WCW can claim to have been the one company that had the balls to stand up to the WWF in 1995 and actually overtake it in 1996 and 1997 and still compete reasonably in 1998 until bombing out totally three years after that.
WCW turned making gigantic mistakes in to some sort of mystical ability of anyone who came into contact with the cursed entity. I actually wrote a collumn for a website called, "Trying to sell you a T-shirt" which talks about the downfall of WCW and how oversaturation of the NWO angle never allowed WCW to move on and by the time it realised it had to move away from the NWO gang warfare concept the fan base had depleted far too much to keep running the company the way that it had been run before.

So now I'm going to run down some of the major problems that WCW encountered that alluded to its eventual spectacular fall from grace.


Depending on your perspective Hulk Hogan can be looked at as the man who gave WCW the mainstream attention that allowed it to reach the top of the wrestling world. Or he is the man that manipulated backstage politics to a point that putting forth a comprehensive product became a very distant goal. Hogan's contract was structured in the way that he had control over everything that could have occured in his WCW career. Hogan would rebook matches at the last minute to favour himself (famously many say the World War 3 95 battle royal was rebook in ring by Hogan as he started calling elliminations and the order of them during the last moments of the match.) Hogan sparked up heat between himself and Eric Biscoff and many other wrestlers during this period and in 1996 was rumoured to be on his way out of the promotion. Fall Brawl 94 is a typical example of the Hogan era as Ricky Steamboat (Retired), Steve Austin (Jobbed out to Jim Duggan) Cactus Jack (Jobbed to Sullivan) would all leave the promotion directly or not long after the show. Their replacements? Jim Duggan, Honkey Tonk Man, John Tenta, Ed Leslie. While Hogan gave WCW a wider fanbase by recreating a vision of the mid-80s WWF. This type of thing would come back a bite WCW in the ass more then once i.e. Steve Austin goes on from been told by Eric Biscoff that he is unmarketable in 1995 to in 1996-2001 becoming the biggest marketing monster in the history of wrestling an Austin 3:16 shirt was sold every 40 seconds somewhere around the world in 1998 alone an incredible stat that other huge draws like Hogan never even touched. Mick Foley who wins the title in December 1998 and is responsible for one of the highest rating segment in Raw's history after Tony Schivanoe dared the audience to change the channel and they did. Hogan booked himself into prime position again and again and again so that new stars such as Steve Austin or Mick Foley or a whole plethpra of others who could have been over by 1998 when the great decline began. WCW had no idea what to do with Bret Hart when they signed him for a staggering $3 million dollars a year. Now $3 million is nothing to a wrestling company who had just drawn a 1.9 buyrate which would have netted them a cool $20 or in that region but over the course of time its not smart to just piss it away like they did with Bret Hart. The montereal double cross has already left Hart as damaged goods and helped create the Mr McMahon character that let the WWF take over WCW when used in conjunction with Austin.
What WCW had to do with Bret Hart was very simple, fans wanted the babyface Hart back all you had to do was let him wrestle as a face give him 20 minute matches with your big names put him over and he will draw. So WCW instead turns him heel then face then heel a number of times and let him cut whiny promos about Montereal to the point that it gives the Mr McMahon character more heel heat. WCW diluted every piece of value that Bret Hart had left.
So if we are to blame Hogan for WCW's dowfall, which is not actually the entire case here, Hogan was only part of the wider problem. So what was the point that WCW started the downhill slide as you might expect WCW started the downward trend at its highest point. Starrcade 97 the biggest company buy rate ever (1.9) Sting vs. Hogan in the main event a match that has been buidling for 18 months, a period where Sting never wrestled or spoke but had become so over and the match was so anticpated by this point that all you had to do was put Sting over cleanly and have him destroy Hogan and kill the NWO and then set him up in a slow burn rivalry with fellow main event face who has just been brought in Bret Hart. It should have been the end of one great era for the company and the start of a fresh one. That didn't happen however the match was a Non Finish. Yes you read that right a non-finish imagine for one moment that at the main event of Wrestle Mania 14 Shawn Michaels vs. Steve Austin if the match had gone to a double DQ think about how that would have effected the start of the Austin era and the damage it would have done. WCW not for the first time had taken its lofty double barrel shot gun loaded it up and pulled both triggers while aimed squarely at its own foot. This would not be the last time. Starrcade 97 was the first mistake in an epic comedy of errors.
I'm going to post the happenings of 1998 and how the company further tanked sometime in the next few days.

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posted on 10-28-2002 at 02:02 PM Edit Post
WCW made a ton of mistakes and one of it's biggest was Failure to build new talent. Steve Austin went from being the unmarketable midcarder to the Media icon Stone Cold Steve Austin. Mick Foley a cartoon character became a legend in ECW and went on tostardom In WWF. HHH was a WCW jobber by the name of Jean Paul Levesque. Those are three of the biggest main-eventers out there. And when WCW did sign any big talebntfromanther fed it usually failed. Sabu was cut afterappearing on the first Nitro and Sandman was pretty much abused. ECW main-eventer Mike Awesome was reduced to dressing up in disco gear and fighting with the Insane Clown Posse on top of the Partridge Family bus. By the time WCW did decide to seriously push undercard talent most of the fans had pretty much already defected to WWF and ECW. A wrestling fed lives and dies by how it builds it's talent and this is where WCW had failed.






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posted on 10-28-2002 at 06:35 PM Edit Post
Really, can we just stop already with the "reasons WCW sucked/went out of business"? It's all been said a million times before. Literally. Not an original thing will come from this conversation.





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posted on 10-29-2002 at 09:08 AM Edit Post
yes, I agree. Not even sucking donkey dick was an original thing.

See what you guys did? You made me say donkey dick again.






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posted on 10-30-2002 at 04:53 AM Edit Post
Is THAT what they wound up doing with Dusty Rhodes' "ass"?
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posted on 11-10-2002 at 11:07 PM Edit Post
There are many reasons why

WCW's plunge could be blamed on many things. Basically, it reached a point where it didn't give the fans what they wanted.

It was bad management. And I think the Hogan-Nash-Hall presence backstage was a big part of that.

The trio that turned the company into a monster also helped kill it.

I chalk it all up to many factors. But letting the big names cling to power while the younger guys were allowed to become superstars for Vince McMahon was the reason I stopped watching.

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posted on 12-5-2002 at 08:29 AM Edit Post
uh the nwo b team
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posted on 12-5-2002 at 05:48 PM Edit Post
I beleive it was the wwe that puit the wcw out of busniess






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posted on 12-8-2002 at 05:19 PM Edit Post
Thats True Cap, and one of the reason that wcw went out of business, because of Crappy Storylines, Eric Bischoff, poor talents, and the wwe's intense action with Stone Cold, HHH, and The "Old" Underkater when he doing those curifixs and suacy storylines, and GTV skits, and those bikini maches, and Marlena.





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