fsolomon75
American Dream  
Posts 8482
Registered 1-25-2002 Location SoCal Member Is Offline Mood: WILLIE~!
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 05:48 PM |
|
|
OBJ thanks for cheering me up. That was great.
Teh wisdom of MooseheadJack: "tpyos are not going to ruin my day today" and "the only thing carved in stone for the Mets is the look on
willie's face"
The 2007 Post Of The Year
|
|
|
outback jack
The Great One 
Posts 3684
Registered 3-10-2003 Location not Australia Member Is Offline Mood: old
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 05:57 PM |
|
|
Thanks, Solly. Now just stay away from sharp objects and you'll be fine.
How about those Indians? I keep hearing the Yankee fans perseverate about avoiding LA and Pwning!!! Cleveland during the regular season, but I think
they'd better be careful about what they wish for. If Cleveland finishes with the best record they've got to line up Sabathia and Carmona
to pitch 2 each.
|
|
|
Denethor
Man of a Thousand Holds 
Posts 1655
Registered 3-27-2002 Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 06:29 PM |
|
|
Personally, I'd take our chances against Sabathia and Carmona. I'm a big believer in wanting to avoid the cross country trip between
games, so I'd much rather see the Yanks stay (relatively) local.
On the whole choking debate... I respect Lucky for saying '04 is not a soft spot. It is for me! But then again, '01 is still the one
I'm most sensitive to. Nobody told the D-Backs if they beat the Yanks the terrorists would win. I actually prefer to give Boston the credit for
'04 and think of that year as a team of destiny that wouldn't be denied victory, even against the team that routinely owns them. I hate
Boston so much, but I had to take my hat off to Ortiz and Roberts and the other guys that just refused to lose that year. But it's still just
one chapter in a story that has the Yanks ahead 26-1 since the 20's. Just sayin.
But I DO think that choking on the way to the post season should rank as highly as choking in the post season, so let's give credit to the Mets
for their hideous run. AND, to the Red Sox for redifining the concept of going ass first into the playoffs. Can they hold it together an win in the
DS? Lord knows the Mets are going down in 3 if they manage to get into the playoffs.
Registered 3/27/02... Holy shit man. Where does the time go.
|
|
|
Super Grover
Showstopper 
Posts 551
Registered 12-21-2002 Location On Radford, near the In-and-Out Burger Member Is Offline Mood: Motivated
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 07:19 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by atothej
I think a large part of the difference (that Lucky conveniently ignores with his notion that it's only 4 games in a row), is that when a team
takes a 3-0 lead in any best of 7 series, they have established themselves as the superior team.
While this may be true in most cases, this clearly not true in this specific case.
You often have 4 game sweeps in hockey and basketball in the early rounds of the playoffs, where a top seed plays and 8th seed or something like that.
Those teams are pretty different then the top seed and say, the number 2 seed in the playoffs, which is probably a lot closer to what the Yankees/Red
Sox were that year.
There is no way you could say, after 3-0 that the Yankees were a much better team. Only one of those games was a laugher and in that game, the Sox
*still* tagged the Yanks for 8 runs. Those games were very close. In games 1 and 2, the Sox could have easily won them. In game 5, the Sox won in
the bottom of the ninth. In game 6, the Yanks were one hit away from scoring runs in the 8th and 9th innings.
Plenty of very close games in that series. A bunch of those games could have gone either way.
They should have closed it out, for sure. But it's not like they were playing the D-Rays and got smoked up 3-0.
People make a much bigger deal about it then I think they should. The Sox hit when they needed to and squeaked out wins over those last 4, just as
the Yanks had squeaked out wins over the first 3.
The whole point, in my mind, is that luck plays a large part in a short series. Little things have a big impact. You can't suffer poor
performances because there is no tomorrow. Sox got the hits when they needed it. Things broke their way over the last 4 games just as they had
broken right over the first 3 games for the Yanks.
When 2 teams are that close in talent, anything can happen.
Heading for Home Blog
|
|
|
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW 
Posts 12565
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Grieving
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 07:41 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by atothej
I think a large part of the difference (that Lucky conveniently ignores with his notion that it's only 4 games in a row), is that when a team
takes a 3-0 lead in any best of 7 series, they have established themselves as the superior team. When a team loses four games in a row to start a
series, they have established themselves as the inferior team. Thus, losing four games in a row after winning three is not only historic, but it
belies the established idea (from the first three games) that one team is outright better.
I just don't buy that in the slightest bit. And I've made this argument on the board plenty of times so you know its not just homerism or
rationalization. Winning 3 in a row does not prove superiority. Winning a 7 game series doesn't. Matchups, luck, day-to-day performances.
All factors. There can be an established idea but I say its bull. The difference between 3-0 and 2-1 can come down to 1 AB. But the prior one is a
"clear show of superiority" while the latter is pretty even play. Because of 1 AB? Yeah, that's just silly.
quote:
That's why no team had ever won game 6 in that circumstance either. Just because people have won four games in a row doesn't mean
it is likely that someone should've come back from 3-0 before the Sox. Across professional sports, it'd only happened 3 times (and only
in hockey before that). For a guy who loves stats and sample sizes, Lucky seems very willing to ignore this huge sample.
I'm not ignoring it. It just doesn't seem to make sense. And I often question numbers when they fail to make much sense. I mean, why
has it happened 3 times in hockey, once in baseball, and never in basketball? Does that make any sense? Is the NHL just naturally easier to go on a
run for? Has it had more parity consistently throughout history? I like numbers. But I want explanations and rationalizations for those numbers
too. If you show me numbers that say that Derek Jeter has GREAT range I'm not going to accept at face value. I'm going to analyze the
stat and look for others. I'm not going to just change my opinion because the numbers said so. Its one thing if Moose and I are having a
discussion of who the better hitter is and Moose presents me with 8 hitting stats that all point to 1 guy. Its another if there's just a
percentage that says playoffs teams (which are usually the best in sports) in all sports never go down 3 and then come back to win. Huh?
Doesn't that seem odd? So shouldn't we question?
quote:
Finally, a postseason collapse is a greater choke than a regular season collapse. That's just how sports works, it's not an
outrageous proposition. Choking is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and the victories in the postseason are worth more.
From a relative worth? Yeah, sure. But if we put some thought to it I have no problem saying that the 2004 Yankees who won 6 games in the postseason
but choked away the ALCS had a better season than a (theoretical) 2007 Mets team that managed to choke the 2nd best lock for the playoffs in baseball
history to miss them all together. And while the '04 ALCS is a sore spot its still a 4 game losing streak and there's absolutely no
logical reason anyone has presented for why it was any worse than the Cardinals' performance.
quote:
Originally posted by Denethor
On the whole choking debate... I respect Lucky for saying '04 is not a soft spot. It is for me!
If I said that, my apologies. It is absolutely a soft spot for me. Probably second only to '95. That's what I'm saying. I know
the emotion of it means that 90% of the baseball world came in their pants when it happened. I just think that logically speaking its not really THAT
big a deal. Its a major failure from the Yankees to be unable to win 1 of 4 games, but many teams have had similar performances in the playoffs and
not many of them had won 6 games before that.
Honestly, while I don't disregard the embarrassing level the choke had I have been much more annoyed of how flat and shitty the team played in
Games 6 and 7 and how Torre completely shit the bed time after time during those 4 games. The whole team, starting with Torre, just went in the
crapper at the drop of a dime. A trait the team has shown more and more over the last few years.
But seriously, I admitted I was riled up and pissy when I started this fight. I stand by it but I was acting up. So my bad. Can't we laugh at
how horrible the Mets are?
quote:
Originally posted by outback jack
How about those Indians? I keep hearing the Yankee fans perseverate about avoiding LA and Pwning!!! Cleveland during the regular season, but I think
they'd better be careful about what they wish for. If Cleveland finishes with the best record they've got to line up Sabathia and Carmona
to pitch 2 each.
I'm sure there's plenty of Yank fans disrespecting the Indians but for my part its really just a fear of the Angels. And the Indians
might even be a better team. But Anaheim has our number and has for years. They're in the heads of Torre and Mo. You can see that in the
moves Joe makes and the way Mo pitches. Sciossa just knows how to make the Yanks fall apart. So while I have NO desire to face Sabathia and Carmona
4 out of 5 games I just don't want to face the Angels.
[Edited on 9-28-2007 by LuckyLopez]
He smiled.
|
|
|
mooseheadjack
Posts 8779
Registered 5-13-2002 Location Looking in your window Member Is Offline Mood: Bearataur
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:09 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Its another if there's just a percentage that says playoffs teams (which are usually the best in sports) in all sports never go down 3 and then
come back to win. Huh? Doesn't that seem odd? So shouldn't we question?
Not to belabor this argument, but I don't understand what we should question here. We have over 100 years of playoff baseball, which amounts to
something like 140 or so 7 game series (counting WS and ALCS and NLCS) and in all those series a team down 3-0 has only come back to win once.
Are you saying we should question the fact that it has only happened the one time, or WHY it has only happened once? My guess? It's hard as hell
to come back from 3-0. I don't think this is really a great point of debate. If you have two teams that are arguably the 2 best teams in that
league and one takes a 3-0 lead, they are not going to turn around and lose 4 games in a row. Granted it is unusual that one team would lose 3 in a
row in the first place, but now you are asking for two of the best teams in the game to have 3 and 4 game losing streaks.
I think it would be more interesting to see how many times a team has either swept, or won 4 after being 1 or 2 games down.
- The History of the OOWF: Archives at: www.oowfwrestling.com
- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
- 2008 World Series Champions Philadelphia Phillies
|
|
|
chretienbabacool
The Great One 
Posts 3141
Registered 3-5-2003 Location Columbia, MO Member Is Offline Mood: Go Cubs!
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:17 PM |
|
|
I think this falls back on the truth that as much as I want the Cubs to win a World Series, winning one does not make you the best team. The best
team does not neccessarily win in the playoffs. Rather, the hot team, the bad player who goes on a streak, the lucky bounce all lead to more playoff
wins then anything.
Witness the Cards/Detroit. Bad throw after bad throw after bad throw to third base by the pitcher, while hilarious to watch, just doesn't
happen. You have Detroit play that series again and it doesn't happen. Detroit was simply a better team then the Cards, but somehow the Cards
pulled it out.
So...the Yankees/Red Sox series, while fun to watch and fun to see the Yanks collapse, was not necessarily a good indicator that the Sox were better
then the Yanks. You play the series again and it could have gone the other way.
The regular season is a much better indicator of a team's overall talent. But in the end, we have the World Series as the ultimate arbitrator
of a team, and I very much want a Cubs win, but if it does happen I'm going to get very drunk, but then also have my eyes open that we simply
haven't been the best team this year. We have backed into the playoffs.
It's why I hate judging players in all sports by how many World Series or Super Bowls they've won.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
|
|
|
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12565
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Grieving
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:31 PM |
|
|
You know what? I don't care anymore. I admitted I went off and apologized. You admitted that my argument makes sense. I'm being told
that 2 evenly matched teams should never go on a 3 game winning streak and then a 4 game losing streak. I'd bet you anything that if you extend
all the series to 9 games we'll see a lot runs like that. But I don't care anymore.
The Yankees are the biggest chokers in sports history. They're a joke. Can you believe they choked so big with a $200M payroll? What a
fucking disgrace. No credit to Boston whatsoever. They were just facing the worst team in professional baseball history. The MFChokers. Or
whatever terribly witty term SoSH and the Red Sox Nation gave them. I actually cry myself to sleep at night and this is all my incredibly bitterness
towards Boston speaking. I'm just deathly jealous and can't believe we may not win the division. I can't deal with all this
failure. Its too much for me. I now know what its like to be a Boston fan because the roles have reversed. The curse has changed sides. Aura and
mystique have moved to Fenway. I just hope that my team can trade some of these overpriced, heartless stars like Slappy McBluelips for some good and
gritty heartfilled players so we can return to victory again. Maybe then I'll be able to shake some of this bitterness I feel and when Tommy
laughs at me for the Yanks not winning in 7 years I won't have to have it hurt so much.
The Red Sox Nation elected its President this week. Here in the Evil Empire we have only a dictator. Life is hard here in the dictatorship. How I
long for the Boston democracy.
He smiled.
|
|
|
ThePunisher
The Rowdy One 
Posts 2941
Registered 4-19-2003 Location Asheville, NC Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:39 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
The Yankees are the biggest chokers in sports history. They're a joke. Can you believe they choked so big with a $200M payroll? What a
fucking disgrace. No credit to Boston whatsoever. They were just facing the worst team in professional baseball history. The MFChokers. Or
whatever terribly witty term SoSH and the Red Sox Nation gave them. I actually cry myself to sleep at night and this is all my incredibly bitterness
towards Boston speaking. I'm just deathly jealous and can't believe we may not win the division. I can't deal with all this
failure. Its too much for me. I now know what its like to be a Boston fan because the roles have reversed. The curse has changed sides. Aura and
mystique have moved to Fenway. I just hope that my team can trade some of these overpriced, heartless stars like Slappy McBluelips for some good and
gritty heartfilled players so we can return to victory again. Maybe then I'll be able to shake some of this bitterness I feel and when Tommy
laughs at me for the Yanks not winning in 7 years I won't have to have it hurt so much.
See, Lucky, that's all we wanted was for you to admit it.
|
|
|
outback jack
The Great One
Posts 3684
Registered 3-10-2003 Location not Australia Member Is Offline Mood: old
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:41 PM |
|
|
Hey Lucky, you forgot the part about how A-Rod is teh gai!
|
|
|
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12565
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Grieving
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:50 PM |
|
|
But that's evident. A-Rod's gay and gave Jeter AIDs. Damon totally gay too. Giambi too. The team's just really gay. But
that's ok because I'm a Yankee fan. And that means I'm gay too.
He smiled.
|
|
|
Super Grover
Showstopper
Posts 551
Registered 12-21-2002 Location On Radford, near the In-and-Out Burger Member Is Offline Mood: Motivated
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 09:59 PM |
|
|
Wait, I'm GAY?
Aw, maaaaan....
Heading for Home Blog
|
|
|
mooseheadjack
Posts 8779
Registered 5-13-2002 Location Looking in your window Member Is Offline Mood: Bearataur
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 10:02 PM |
|
|
Lucky, if you can pull your panties out of a bunch for a minute, I wasn't asking for a declaration of how much the Yankees suck. I already know
that. I was asking what exactly you were questioning. If you were questioning the data itself, or the why it had never happened before. Something
like that. And since I asked how many times a team has won 4 straight in the playoffs, my OCD for that stuff kicked in and I had to look it up, it
has happened 37 times in post season history:
4 Game Sweep (23)
1907 WS Chi 4-0 Det
1914 WS Bos 4-0 Phi (NL)
1922 WS NYG 4-0 NYY
1927 WS NYY 4-0 Pit
1928 WS NYY 4-0 StL
1932 WS NYY 4-0 Chi
1938 WS NYY 4-0 Chi
1939 WS NYY 4-0 Cin
1950 WS NYY 4-0 Phi
1954 WS NYG 4-0 Cle
1963 WS LAD 4-0 NYY
1966 WS Bal 4-0 LAD
1976 WS Cin 4-0 NYY
1988 ALCS Oak 4-0 Bos
1989 WS Oak 4-0 SF
1990 ALCS Oak 4-0 Bos
1990 WS Cin 4-0 Oak
1995 NLCS Atl 4-0 Cin
1998 WS NYY 4-0 SD
1999 WS NYY 4-0 Atl
2004 WS Bos 4-0 St.L
2005 WS Chi 4-0 Hou
2006 ALCS Det 4-0 Oak
Teams That Lost 1 Game Then Won 4 Straight (6)
1915 WS Bos 4-1 Phi(NL)
1942 WS StL 4-1 NYY
1969 WS NYM 4-1 Bal
1983 WS Bal 4-1 Phi
2002 ALCS Ana 4-1 Min
2005 ALCS Chi 4-1 Ana
Teams That Lost 2 Games Then Won 4 Straight(6)
1920 WS Cle 4-2 Brk
1978 WS NYY 4-2 LAD
1981 WS LAD 4-2 NYY
1985 NLCS StL 4-2 LAD
1993 ALCS Tor 4-2 Chi
1996 WS NYY 4-2 Atl
Teams That Lost 3 Games Then Won 4 Straight(1*)
2004 ALCS Bos 4-3 NYY
*1903 WS Bos 5-3 Pit - not sure how we count this one, Boston DID win 4 straight, but this was a best of 9
So what does this tell us? Sweeps are not all that uncommon. A team will win four in a row for whatever reasons, clearly being the better team,
luck, whatever.
Once an opposing team wins one game, it becomes a lot harder to run off 4 straight, but it has been done 13-14 times in playoff history. But only the
one (or two if you count 1903) time has a team ever come back from 0-3. Its historic, its very rare, and evidently, it is very hard to do.
- The History of the OOWF: Archives at: www.oowfwrestling.com
- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
- 2008 World Series Champions Philadelphia Phillies
|
|
|
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12565
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Grieving
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 10:26 PM |
|
|
I was making a comic mea culpa, Moose. I overreacted, started an argument that you clearly ALL disagree with me on. I've already made my case
and the closest I came to turning anyone was your acknowledgement that you saw my argument and it made sense. So while you know full and well I could
rant for another 8 paragraphs on the subject what's the point? I can safe us all some hassle and time by just taking the loss and doing so in a
comical way.
Coming back from 0-3 is tough because it takes a lot of luck. If you've lost 3 in a row then the other team has clearly shown the ability to
beat you. Unlike AJ I do not think it shows "superiority." But if the team's capable of defeating you then winning 4 in a row becomes
harder.
A 4-0 sweep or 4-1 victory suggest an uneven matchup and dominance.
A 4-3 victory suggest a very even series that went the distance.
One team going up 3-0 and then losing 3-4 is odd because it LOOKS like 2 separate runs of dominance. But 3 games really aren't much in the way
of a "run" so I really don't see why we're all convinced its the worst performance ever. Yanks blew a save, lost the game, did it again
the next day, and then lost 2 more. It happens. It was a horrible run of games.
Also, I think "choke" is about as worthwhile of a term as "clutch" and "gritty." So you can chalk that up to part of my problem with this. No
fucking way you're selling me on Mariano Rivera being a choker. That being said Torre and the Yanks fell apart and rolled over by the end of
that series so I'm not gonna get too adamant about that part. Choke's do exist. Mets appear to be in the middle of one. I'm not
sure I think losing a 3 game lead is the worst choke in history.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the postseason and it never happened. So its worse. Worse than if a team like Boston, Chicago, or Arizona blew a 3 game
lead in the division over 4 games. Even though its logically the EXACT SAME THING. Only harder because there are usually 2 other teams involved.
Like I said, I give up. The argument's not worth it and clearly EVERYONE 100% disagrees with me and some have said that they believe I'm
being intellectually dishonest. So its all cool. I concede. I lose. Worst chokejob in the history of sports. The 3 NHL chokes don't compare
because if its happened 3 times its clearly easier to happen in the NHL. I don't need an explanation for that, either. It just is. History
has born it out.
He smiled.
|
|
|
mooseheadjack
Posts 8779
Registered 5-13-2002 Location Looking in your window Member Is Offline Mood: Bearataur
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 10:48 PM |
|
|
dammit Lopez, you are supposed to be yelling!
Anyway, I think one other thing to consider about 2004 is that the Yankees had only had 1 four game losing streak in 162 games. April 22-25. To have
a team that had been that consistent then go and lose 4 straight in the playoffs is amazing.
But anyway, this is fun.
- The History of the OOWF: Archives at: www.oowfwrestling.com
- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
- 2008 World Series Champions Philadelphia Phillies
|
|
|
GoVols
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1064
Registered 7-19-2005 Location Tennessee Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 11:36 PM |
|
|
I'll tell you why only 1 team has ever come back from a 3-0 deficit to win a series in baseball...because teams almost never lose 3 in a row and
then win 4 straight.
Here are the numbers for this year. The first number is the number of 3 or more game losing streaks. The second number is the number of times that
team followed a 3 game losing streak bt winning 4 or more games.
ARI- 8-1
ATL- 10-1
BAL- 11-0
BOS- 6-2
CHC- 8-0
CWS- 11-2
CIN- 12-1
CLE- 5-0
COL- 4-1
DET- 8-0
FLA- 13-1
HOU- 11-0
KC- 12-2
LAA- 5-1
LAD- 9-1
MIL- 9-1
MIN- 12-1
NYM- 7-1
NYY- 7-0
OAK- 9-0
PHI- 6-1
PIT- 12-1
SD- 7-0
SF- 14-1
SEA- 7-2
STL- 9-0
TB- 11-1
TEX- 12-0
TOR- 7-0
WAS- 10-3
So there were 272 three game losing streaks for the year. Only 25 were followed by a 4 game winning streak. So that's 1 out of every 11.
There's been like 40 opportunities in the postseason for a comeback down 3-0. The numbers say that it maybe should have happened 2 other times
other than the Red Sox. The numbers don't lie, not to mention that a lot of the streaks I'm looking at where actually a lot longer than 3
games, which means there were a lot more "actual" 3 game losing streaks.. There is no anomoly. It just doesn't happen that much, whether
it's the regular season or the postseason.
[Edited on 9-28-2007 by GoVols]
|
|
|
TarheelMike
The Immortal One 
Posts 4842
Registered 3-6-2003 Location Mtgy, AL Member Is Offline Mood: Medium Rare
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 11:38 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
Teams That Lost 2 Games Then Won 4 Straight(6)
1996 WS NYY 4-2 Atl
Whosonfirstwhotheguyonfirstbasewhowhatistheguysnameonfirstbase...
|
|
|
Confident Lefty
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 66
Registered 12-1-2005 Location Ninety Six, SC Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 9-28-2007 at 11:52 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
Teams That Lost 2 Games Then Won 4 Straight(6)
1920 WS Cle 4-2 Brk
*1903 WS Bos 5-3 Pit - not sure how we count this one, Boston DID win 4 straight, but this was a best of 9
In 1919, 1920, and 1921, along with 1903, to win the World Series, a team had to win five games.
|
|
|
jno
Fella
Posts 415
Registered 7-26-2005 Member Is Offline Mood: champs
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 02:52 AM |
|
|
Now I can breathe again and enjoy the collapse of the Mets. Zambrano looked pretty damn good tonight. Its gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Colts!!!!
|
|
|
fsolomon75
American Dream
Posts 8482
Registered 1-25-2002 Location SoCal Member Is Offline Mood: WILLIE~!
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 03:48 AM |
|
|
The Mets and Phils needed an ace performance from their pitchers tonight. Hamels struck out 13 while OP hit consecutive batters with the bases
loaded.
I have a great idea, Willie. Instead of fielding the regular 9 tomorrow, pick 9 people out from the stands because they'll at least fucking
try. Have fun being called the GCOATATL, you fucking pussies.
Teh wisdom of MooseheadJack: "tpyos are not going to ruin my day today" and "the only thing carved in stone for the Mets is the look on
willie's face"
The 2007 Post Of The Year
|
|
|
TommyD420
Man of a Thousand Holds 
Posts 1014
Registered 12-30-2005 Location Worcester, MA Member Is Offline Mood: Smurfy
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 03:59 AM |
|
|
Since Lucky depends on OO for his AL East information, and can't get it from ESPN, Fox Sports, YES, NESN, SI.com, MLB.com, Redsox.com, or
Yankees.Com, not to mention local channels as the 11 o'clock news hits...
The Red Sox have thrown off the yoke of tyranny, and made the AL East a division that can live...in freedom...
Had me scared until tonight Lucky, swear to God. We'll revisit this discussion in the ALCS, k?
[Edited on 9/29/2007 by TommyD420]
http://www.examiner.com/x-22126-Worcester-County-Progressive-Examiner
I write things. You should read them.
|
|
|
chretienbabacool
The Great One
Posts 3141
Registered 3-5-2003 Location Columbia, MO Member Is Offline Mood: Go Cubs!
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 04:01 AM |
|
|
GO CUBS GO! PLAYOFFS HERE WE COME! WE BELIEVE!!!!!
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
|
|
|
ThePunisher
The Rowdy One
Posts 2941
Registered 4-19-2003 Location Asheville, NC Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 04:02 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by chretienbabacool
WE BELIEVE!!!!!
Not according to some of your early season posts.
|
|
|
chretienbabacool
The Great One
Posts 3141
Registered 3-5-2003 Location Columbia, MO Member Is Offline Mood: Go Cubs!
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 04:05 AM |
|
|
Hey, I still have problems with this team, but right now we're in it and that's all that matters.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
|
|
|
jno
Fella
Posts 415
Registered 7-26-2005 Member Is Offline Mood: champs
|
| posted on 9-29-2007 at 04:11 AM |
|
|
His mood is still that he hates Lou.
Go Colts!!!!
|
|
|
