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posted on 8-17-2006 at 04:13 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The Wankipedia FAQ and Response Thread

FAQs

Q: Why "Wankipedia"?
A:
Because it sort of sounds like Wikipedia, and because, come on, writing an 80,000-word encyclopedia about a wrestling message board's inside jokes is a total wank exercise. Also because users can submit their own entries.

Q: Those links go to posts that don't seem to have anything to do with what you're talking about in the links. Why is that?
A:
Two reasons. One, you probably have a different post-per-page setting in your Control Panel. Go to your Control Panel and edit your profile so that you view 25 posts per page. Two, direct linking to posts doesn't always work, even when everything is going right. Images or large blocks of unbroken text can throw the link off the mark by one or two posts. (Usually, you just need to scroll down by one post.) However, this will only occur for the occasional link: if all of them are off, your problem is probably the first one.

Q: How can I link directly to a post?
A:
Since it was inevitable that someone would ask, this question is its own entry in the Wankipedia. See: Direct-Linking to Posts.

Q: Hey, who wrote this?
A:
Hey, you didn't read it very carefully, did you?

Q: Okay, so how did this get written?
A:
Much better question. By accident, really; then by perseverance. In August 2005, a newbie asked Jeb for advice about some issue or for clarification about an inside joke. He did his best to explain, but the explanation itself contained references to several other things that all required their own explanation. It was like trying to define a game of fetch to someone to whom you subsequently have to define "dog," "ball," "throw," "catch," etc. To explain something he reflexively understood wound up taking 1,500 words to make it comprehensible to someone else. Then he thought about how many times he, other veteran posters and the Moderators must have gone through the same thing with countless newbies. In all, it seemed like a stupid surplus expenditure of effort from untold numbers of people: how many man-hours had so many people unknowingly spent answering the same question? Jeb decided to put together an "OO encyclopedia" and ran the idea by the Mods and some veteran posters. Enough people seemed interested to make taking a stab at it worthwhile. As it turned out, there was an unofficial Mod file of staple answers to common questions — cobbled together from nearly three years of U2Us to newbies. Together, the explanations totaled nearly 10 pages. Jeb added these to his own entries, then put the project aside when it became obvious that enthusiasm had petered out after the initial burst of set-up activity.

For the next nine months, he added entries haphazardly, when someone asked a question or when someone referenced an old poster. Finally, enough text snowballed that it seemed time to actually make something of it, and serious work began in May 2006. He fleshed out the stub entries given by the Mods (and some from vet posters), then went hunting for suggestions from other posters. One AIM chat with Bo_knows added about 25 items to the to-do list, most of which were so good that they couldn't possibly be skipped over. After completing a few of those entries, he had a sizable chunk of completed work ready to be shared with others — to vet the accuracy, inspire discussion, brainstorm new ideas and also to shame them into sharing some of the workload. Unfortunately, everything had been written in BB code, which made the entries look horrible when put into RTF, HTML or any other automatic format in a word-processing program. (It also made those emails worthless, as entries with multiple links written in BB code were meaningless in an email file coded for HTML.) Thus the Mods set up a temporary forum for the encyclopedia project, where the BB-coded text appeared as it would in the final form and enabled writers and editors to double-check links and the work of others. Also, other more unofficial writers were roped into duty. Generally, if an OOster wasn't writing entries but was exceptionally knowledgeable about a topic or heavily involved in something mentioned in a topic, that person was U2U'd and asked for feedback, links or their side of the story. For instance, though Tarheelmike didn't write the entry about his wife and a dishwasher, he provided 90% of the information in it in one U2U. So, to answer the question of how it was written: newbies asked questions; the Mods and some vet posters had an archive of replies; writing entries led to thinking of other entries that needed explanation; the Mods created a temporary home for brainstorming, editing and discussing; a handful of people wrote new entries, provided feedback and criticism and contributed to the final editing.

Q: Is this thing fair? Are the entries true?
A:
No, of course not. Because "Fairness" with a capital F and "Truth" with a capital T are always subjective. Closeted Nazi sympathizers probably think that the article about The Third Reich in the Encyclopedia Britannica is all out of whack. (And they probably think all that stuff about the Jews being innocent victims is total BS. What the hell?!?) Granted, this thing doesn't try to be on the same level as Britannica, but it does try to be factual. Dates, thread names and IP-confirmed identities are all factual. When the Wankipedia veers from facts and talks about opinions and perceptions, it strives for something like balance, if there is one. Generally if one opinion is cited, its opposite is given respectful if not equal time. That's not a hard-and-fast rule, though. In the case of Bud Ellock, for example, he was a moron, a troll, and a swine. We could have spent a paragraph trying to make a convincing case that maybe he was a decent guy trolling OO for a good reason, but lying to ourselves would only confuse readers and waste our time. Sometimes, there just aren't multiple reasonable sides to a story. And sometimes, if there are two sides to a story, one side is what the individual poster thought, and the other is what everyone else thought. Thus, giving equal weight and time to one person in the face of the multitude verged on inaccuracy, naivete or pandering to the feelings of one in contravention of what could be safely assumed to be a prevailing opinion. This, then, is how the Wankipedia aims to be factual. But "Truth" is something that individuals and Plato can work out on the cave wall on their own. (Note: Plato is a not a poster here.)

As for "Fairness," there will always be someone crying foul about something. Any time you don't let someone self-describe and instead have another party write the details about them — well, no matter how flattering your comments, that person will probably cry unfairness at even a token critical comment. So while the subjects of some entries might well cry foul, there are many other readers who will see the entries as fair. To illustrate this point better: nobody is going to complain about any of the negative things said about the Shit Posters — and in fact, probably no one will dispute the fairness of those entries. But then again, none of them is around here to complain.

Q: So, really, how fair is it?
A:
Hopefully pretty darned fair. Part of the reason why about 15 people were involved in the brainstorming, writing, proofreading and editing of the Wankipedia (and even more were included in the gathering of data) was to collect a multitude of opinions from people with different friends, different favorite threads, different posting habits, etc. Not only would everyone have different ideas of what merited entries and what angle to take on a subject, but everyone would also differ on what constituted fair treatment of a given issue. For instance, while probably three or four people felt the entry on ConcreteTG featured only a tenth of the jokes or disapproval it deserved, others who are her friends advocated cutting one or two more negative lines but otherwise running it as-is. (Is it as nice as she would probably like it? No. But it was agreed upon that it fairly recounted the facts of her time here.) While with most active posters, we've tried to strike a balance between accuracy and not being unkind, occasionally preserving feelings took a backseat to telling the story. We felt this was fair because virtually every current member mentioned in the Wankipedia had a defender or a friend on staff. The Wankipedia was not meant to be a vehicle for axe-grinding and cheap shots, though it was overwhelmingly tempting with certain entries. We have probably given into that temptation a few too many times for our own good, but bear in mind that behind each zinger are the ten or twenty more that were edited out because they were unfair, unnecessary or unpleasant. What you see here is a finished product; what you don't see are U2Us, AIM chats and posts featuring remorseful hand-wringing at a well-written zinger, followed by a healthy debate about whether it added something to an entry or was only verbal candy.

Q: I have X posts! Why am I not in this?
A:
Entries aren't based on post count or longevity. They are based on contributions that changed the character of the board, became part of the collective verbal shorthand and the cultural memory, or became an oft-retold tale. Over 55 people have over 1,000 posts here, but almost none of them got an entry or an extended mention. (Certain names crop up often, but that's due more to their involvement in many things that happened on the board — not to their being cool or better than someone else.) That's because being a good poster of long standing doesn't necessarily equate to shaping an entire institution. More to the point, almost no current board members have individual entries. Most entries about individuals focus on infamous trolls or former board members who are no longer available to talk about themselves or respond to U2Us. When we talk about current board members, our focus is not on WHO but on WHAT. While Angstboy, for instance, has contributed to about a dozen funny, well-remembered institutional quirks here, what he did is addressed in the context of his actions, not who he is. As a result, there is no Angstboy entry, but things like ASS MACHINE, the Gay Internet Love Triangle, The General Incompetence Avatar, The Jeb Tennyson Lund Fan Forum and The Perfect Avatar have their own entries. At this time, only one current member, ConcreteTG, has an entry; but, again, that is about something she did, not about her post count. Moreover, technically one can argue that the person she posted as for 1,000 posts is a former board member, in that the ConcreteTG who wrote posts 1-999 displayed a different board persona than the Concrete who's posted 1,000-present.

Q: No, I DESERVE to be in it. Why am ***I*** not in it?
A:
Oh, okay. We didn't want to say it, but you're not that interesting.

Q: No, seriously, I think that I — or another topic — should be in this. What can I do about that?
A:
Good question. Although hopefully there aren't a lot of entries that slipped past everyone who brainstormed the content, hey, we aren't perfect, and the board is changing every day. First, U2U us (via this account) and name your prospective entry. Or, better yet, email us. If it's rejected outright, sorry. That doesn't mean that it isn't a nice idea or that your suggestion isn't interesting. It's just that some things are too minute or too specified to one group of people to really be necessary for new posters to familiarize themselves with. However, if the entry seems fun and informative, and we give a thumbs up, go ahead and write up a short prospective entry and U2U/email it. If that gets OK'd, then go ahead and write that sucker and U2U/email it. It will then be edited for style and added to the Wankipedia. (Entries in which no effort is made to write in a clear manner and at a decent high-school-level will probably be rejected.) In this sense, the Wankipedia is a little like a Wikipedia, as the entries are user-inspired and user-written. Hence the name. However, in a better sense, it differs from Wikipedia in that random yahoos can't delete entries they don't like, add gibberish in the dead of night or write self-pimping entries about crazy stuff no one's ever heard of. Also, hopefully the writing won't suck as much as your average Wikipedia page.

Q: I completely disagree with the content of an entry and want it to be changed. What should I do?
A:
Carefully note the errors or shortcomings and take care to write an intelligent argument for your corrections or supplements, then U2U or email us your edits. Will they (or some of them) be included? There is no guarantee. But send them in first. If the edits get rejected, you'll have a copy of them in your U2U or email outbox. Then you can always copy and paste that in this thread along with a list of grievances. All things being equal, we'd prefer you didn't. If you don't like what was said and your changes haven't been accepted, no degree of righteous indignation is going to accomplish anything and will only mar something that most other posters will enjoy.

Q: Okay, so my proposed entries and edits have been rejected. What should I do?
A:
Serious:
1. Let it go. It's not a big deal. So you didn't get an entry in this thing, or you didn't like what was said. You're still not the losers who wrote 80,000 words for this thing. You came out ahead, all things considered. Also, you're still you, and if you don't like something that was said about you, you have the rest of your life to prove an inane little blurb here wrong.
2. Mention the entry to someone else not in your personal group of friends. If they think it's a good entry, then it probably is. Get them to U2U or email a suggestion for the entry, too. A different voice may be more persuasive than your own, especially if your edit or entry is about you.
3. Write your own encyclopedia; just don't use any content from this one.

Not Serious:
1. Throw a tantrum and troll the shit out of this thread and flame the fuck out of the people involved. What do you possibly have to lose? What could go wrong?

Q: Okay, Mr. Picky, what makes a good entry then?
A:
Details! But naturally, too many details kills an entry. For example, if you're writing about a thread, you don't have to talk about every post, but you should tell how it started out, where it turned a corner, whose post changed things, the reaction (on both sides), what consequences there were, and how the thread is probably thought of today. Links are always a plus. Remember too that it helps to present both sides of the story. Sometimes there aren't two sides: someone is an idiot, period, or a good guy was just being a douche for once. But with most entries, coming down exclusively on one side reads like too much axe-grinding. Also, make an effort to enliven the entry with thoughtful writing. Dull uninspired writing and objective, unbiased writing might sound like they're the same thing, but there is a middle ground between them. Really.

Q: What stuff qualifies for an entry?
A:
Unholy gobs of stuff. But don't overdo it. After all, there have been hundreds of flame wars and hundreds of trainwrecked threads in OO history, and only a handful have been listed here. Hundreds of accounts have been banned, but only 10-20 of those morons have been described here. Try to think of things that have changed the board character, changed how we talk to one another or defined some aspect of our little culture. Also, for now, skip stuff that just happened. What we all remember is what should qualify: not what we're all determined to make everyone else remember right now. Just because you made a funny joke or recently flamed someone doesn't mean anyone will recall it in a year's time. It happens every year with the Boardies Awards. All year long, people say, "Wow! This is Thread of the Year material!" or "This is the Trainwreck of the Year right here" and then what happens? People forget all about most of them by nomination time. The disparity between what people will call "best post ever" on the day of the post and what they can remember as even "very good" posts in six months' time is enormous. Give recent threads and actions a few months to be forgotten. If they stick persistently in memory a few months later, then that definitely qualifies. On a final note, almost all contentious or nasty CE threads are disqualified because: there are so many of them that it defies belief; so few actually changed anything about the board or those posting in that forum; and, most of the time, "What happens in CE stays in CE."

Q: I don't actually want to write something because that sounds like work. But how can I help anyway?
A:
Links! Many of the entries here could always use more links. (This means direct links to posts. Unless you're notifying us of the first page of a thread, sending us a link to a thread page is a waste of time and will be ignored.) Also, sometimes banned losers are remembered for a few classic threads, but some equally awful threads get forgotten. Feel free to check our work, correct poor phrasing or nitpick at grammatical errors. Or just try to make sure we've covered all the bases. However keep in mind the answer below....

I thought of a great entry right now. Do you want it?
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No, not yet. We're all very, very sick of this thing. Some of us have been thinking of it, off and on, for three months. We don't want to work on it for at least that many more. Can you write the idea down, save it and get back to us around Christmas? Grammatical, spelling or tiny usage errors are one thing. We can collect a bunch of those and make a sweeping edit once per week. But new entries or huge edits to existing ones smack of work. We are very tired.

Q: Does Operation Retard manually masturbate emus?
A:
I thought you'd never ask.

Q: Is that really a "Frequently Asked Question"?
A:
Yes. Oh God, yes.

Q: Really?
A:
Don't act like you don't already know the answer!

Q: I noticed that you didn't really answer the first question, though.
A:
THIS INTERVIEW IS OVER!

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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:02 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
This thing is utterly crazy. Awesome work!

[Edited on 8-21-2006 by benoitbrokemyneck]





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:13 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
quote:
Chickie's schtick was posting comically fake "insider news" that was usually very predictable and not the least bit funny.

Kind of sounds like our resident north of the border canine. Just think, if Chickiesinger had just talked to Rick first, he'd probably have his own column right now.

Kudos on the hard work guys!





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:26 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I microplay. You guys did a GREAT job. Huzzah!





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:38 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
OK I never would have figured this out as the secret. And you were right Pun, it all makes sense now.

Thanks to all of you who helped put it together. Now I might have a clue what the hell some of you are talking about from time to time. And then I can talk about it too and pretend I'm cool.





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:42 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I have to say, that was real cool, guys. And not just because the Six Degrees Thread got an entry.

Well done!

Edit to add: I can't believe I couldn't piece together the secret. I should have figured it out seeing as not long ago one of the Modsters U2U'd me about the rules to Six Degrees, then mysteriously never replied to my asking why he/she wanted to know.

[Edited on 8-21-2006 by MrJustinB]

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posted on 8-21-2006 at 06:02 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The secret turned out to be pretty cool. I did zero work to try to figure it out, but I think that's the cat's meow. Good work and thanks to all involved. Now, my life is worth something being mentioned a few times. I FEEL PESHAL!!!one!





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 06:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'm not usually one to obsequiously compliment people, but I have to say, that was mind-bogglingly excellent. I was getting ready to get disappointed for this secret, but it blew my expectations away.

Obviously, I couldn't read it all, but from what I did read, I could tell it was not only well-written (stylistically), but also explained all the stories very well in terms of highlighting relevant backstory, etc. I had a number of questions about random traditions on the boards, and they were all answered in this document.

I am also pleased that in my relatively short time here, I got a shout out under "comedy threads", although I totally disagree with the way in which I was portrayed. (Although my complaints are better suited for a u2u rather than out here).

In any event, to all involved, a job well done. Very entertaining. Thanks guys.


[Edited on 8-21-2006 by King of Harts]

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posted on 8-21-2006 at 08:56 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I am a noob here, but I must say it was a pretty great read and something that will probably keep me entertained for the next few days as I try to read it all. It's cool to see such a great history presentation of the forums, and a nice way for noobs like me to understand some of the inside jokes. I already feel for the Juggernaught one, now I'll know what to avoid.





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 11:27 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Appropo for the title, I am a wanker.





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 12:21 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Very Cool! SFWF is mentioned! Woo!





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 12:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Very thorough work, guys. I would have never guessed it, either.






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posted on 8-21-2006 at 01:55 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Absolutely incredible work. The end product is awesome.

I also say that the thing should only be updated once a year, like a set of real encyclopedias or something.

EDIT: Almost 1300 views in just over nine hours? Holy shit.

[Edited on 8-21-2006 by TarheelMike]





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 02:34 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
well, as much as i think we'd like to think we created something SO AWESOME~! that it got that many view over one night, for the sake of honesty i'd have to point out that the majority of those views came over the past couple months when the thing was being written, reviewed, re-written, double checked, etc.






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posted on 8-21-2006 at 02:45 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Don't bother being modest, Oppy. I was looking through it last night and your creation kicks seven types of ass. You guys should all be proud.

Besides, since when have you ever cared about the truth when you can get bragging rights out of it? I can see you someday bouncing your grand-daughter Ziggy III on your knee and telling her "Message Boards used to be better back when I was younger. Why, once I created a document that got almost 2000 views overnight! And this was well before the intraweb was beamed directly into our brains, back when we used this slow thing called a cable connection."

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posted on 8-21-2006 at 03:02 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Good work. Now I have something to read at all times.
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posted on 8-21-2006 at 03:24 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
loki, can you please list, point-by-point, all seven types of ass it kicks, please?

thank you.






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posted on 8-21-2006 at 04:11 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The seven types of ass this document kicks are:

1) Your mom’s ass
2) Angstboy or BTR’s ass (multiple choice option, pick one)
3) Operation Pajama Pants’ comic book ass
4) Ass Machine ass
5) THM’s ex-wife’s ass (which can be subsequently backed over by a truck up to seven times in one sitting, per Mike’s discretion)
6) ModBitch’s electronic ass (although technically hers should be eaten, not kicked)
7) Big screen glory hole ass munched during a porn film

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posted on 8-21-2006 at 04:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Wow. That's a lot of ass.
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posted on 8-21-2006 at 04:18 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
It's an amazing piece of work, Congrats.

As to #1 in the Warnings and General Information, what theme would you recomend using?





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 04:31 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'm using TrueBlue and it's working fine, and all the links show up, Scott. A lot of the themes can be hard on the eyes, but this isn't bad.
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posted on 8-21-2006 at 04:57 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Well, amazing work. What kind of committment does it take for someone to look for all instances of me calling someone Neville Chamberlain? A Committment to Excellence.






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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Q: How sad is it that I've been sitting here for an hour and a half now reading this thing one entry after another?

A: Quite sad.






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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:31 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Very impressive. Thanks a lot.





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posted on 8-21-2006 at 05:41 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
AMAZING work, to everyone involved.

Its like looking at a time capsule...reading how the history of OO unfolded. Amzing read for those who weren't here for everything, and a fun recap for everyone who was.

happily, I am even mentioned in one of tha catagories (about WWE's biggest build-up).

Good Job everyone...you deserve a much needed break...I have read smaller novels

Cheers!





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