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posted on 5-21-2006 at 06:07 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The UFC/MMA thread

With UFC 60 coming up I was wondering if any one else will be seeing the PPV?

They have Gracie vs Hughes on top with a strong under card with undeafted Brandon Vera, TUF winner Diego Sanchez, and Joe Riggs taking on Mike Swick.


Also theirs lots of MMA of free TV too. FSN is running Pride FC fights. And the new IFL starts tonight on FSN.

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not sure if we should make a separate thread for this or not, but i've been having a blast with The Ultimate Fighter 3...

before i knew their personalities, i was a huge Shamrock fan and thought Ortiz was an ass... after watching the show, though, my views of both guys are now the polar opposite...

Ortiz seems like a guy I could actually be friends with... always encouraging his guys while at the same time working them out to the highest level... he's very down-to-earth and doesn't have an inflated sense-of-self... very grounded in reality and is grateful for all the opportunities he's had... sure, he trashtalks a lot... but he'll then say to the camera he's just doing it to get under his opponents' skin...

the same can't be said even remotely for Shamrock... his training has been awful (his guys have lost 6 straight matches after winning the first)... he gives guys days off for no reason at all... and he just seems like a genuine asshole with his "god's gift to mankind" attitude...

i REALLY hope Tito makes his face a bloody pulp when they meet again...






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I'm enjoying the TUFIII as well. I was suprised that Tait lost as he's been getting so much screen time and he's a 10th Planet Jui-Juitsu guy (He trains with Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo).

I'm looking for ward to the Semis. It seems as thought theirs some really good talent here that should have good matches. Kalib, Rory, Mike Bisbing, Kendall and Josh all have talent. Plus we still have to see Matt who wasa gold medalist in the deaf games anda Div.III wrestler and Ed Herman who trains with team quest (Randy Couture's team). At this point pretty much all the "cans" are gone. (Well Jesse came back but I expect him to lose again)

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posted on 5-25-2006 at 04:36 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Well, if you're interested, head on over to http://www.thetvtimeout.com/mma and read my preview of the UFC 60 preliminary bouts.

Coming Friday: the main card!

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MMA preview for the weekend.

Friday @ 10:30 ( FSN also says 9 so I'm not sure) local time FSN.
Best Damn Beatdowns
50 of the greatest ass whoopin's in Pride, UFC and Boxing.

Sunday. International Fight League episode II 6pm (Central)
Renzo Gracies Pitulls take on Maurce Smiths Tiger Sharks with the winning team to advance to the championship to take on The Silverbacks.

9pm(Central) Best Of Pride FC. Main Event Don Frye vs Ken Shamrock

Also FSN is running a heavywheight boxing match of Javier Mora vs. Fres Oquendo

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UFC 60 Main Card Preview and weigh-in results!

http://www.thetvtimeout.com/mma

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The Lineups For the TUF final and the next UFN are being posted on some websites.

ULTIMATE FIGHTER 3 LIVE FINALE: JUNE
24 IN LAS VEGAS

-Light-Heavyweight Finals of The Ultimate Fighter 3
-Middleweight Finals of The Ultimate Fighter 3
-Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout
-Keith Jardine vs. Wilson Gouveia
-Josh Neer vs. TBA

Main card airs live on Spike TV on Saturday, June 24th from 9:00 PM to 12:00 AM Eastern Time

ULTIMATE FIGHT NIGHT: JUNE 28

-Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans
-Anderson Silva vs. Chris Leben
-Luke Cummo vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne
-Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick
-Justin Levens vs. Jorge Santiago


Main card airs live on Spike TV on Wednesday, June 28th from 8:00 PM to 10:00 PM Eastern Time

Im interested to see Cumo, Florian, and Gurgel. It will be interesting to see how well Jardine does after that close lose to Bonnar.

Bonnar should be able to beat Evans. Id like to see Bonnar get a "Legends" fight against Mark "The Hammer" Coleman now that hes done with Pride. COuld be a good PPV debut for The American Psycho.

Also UFC 61 is being annouced as Shamrock vs Tito and Arlovski vs Silvia for the title HW title.

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Bonnar vs. Coleman won't work because Coleman won't want to cut down to 205.

Bonnar vs. Vitor or Shamrock? I'm in.





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I heard a rumor that Coleman thinks he can make 205, if he can't do that I'd put him in a heavywheight bout against Brandon Vera.
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I have to say, Evans and Koshchek are two of the boringest fighters that have come out of the TUF series.

Just bought my tiks for 61. Thats going to be swetness.

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Hopefully the TUF Finals are solid bouts, because the finale card, main evented by Florian vs Stout is rather lacklustre. Florian just doesn't capture ones imagination. Stout should maul him.

Ideally the TUF finals would have Mike Bisping vs Matt Hamil for the light heavyweight contract and Kendall Groves vs Kalib Starnes for the middleweight contract. Actually any middleweight final will probably be a good match, however the light heavies already have a couple of cans in the semi's(Josh Haynes and his zero gound game and inaccurate strikes/ Jesse Forbes and his loss to a rather slow armbar). If Nickels upsets Hamil, the division is shot, not to take anything away from Nickels though as he is a tough kid, just said to be really lacking in skills(especially given his age).

Ultimate Fight Night on the 28th looks to be a solid card. The fight I'm most looking forward to is Mark Hominick vs Jorge Gurgel and of course Anderson Silva vs Chris Leben. Bonnar didn't impress me versus Keith Jardine(I think he lost actually), and Evans is a one trick pony who had his hands full with Sammy Hogar. Jonathan Goulet is looking to avenge his 11 second loss to Bang Ludwig on UFN3, I'd like to see him beat Cummo.

I wonder which fights will air though...

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I think Stout/Florian will be better than anticipated. The thought of Kenny Florian in a UFC main event does make me chuckle, though.

As for UFN, I am PUMPED. This card is one of the best cards the UFC has produced PPV or not in a long time, which is saying something.

You can also add Jason Lambert vs. Branden Lee Hinkle to that UFN card. Lambert said on MMAWeekly Radio the other week that that fight is signed.

As for UFN, though, it will be tight. I'm looking forward to seeing Goulet again. He's a great fighter. I was afraid that was flash KO would be the end of him in the UFC. I'm surprised that he hasn't fought in TKO since then. Obviously, Cummo is tight, too.

Silva/Leben should be SICK. Bonnar/Evans is more of a "meh" fight for me right now. Stephan should take it with ease. Koscheck/Menne should be interesting.

But the fight I'm looking forward to the most is Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick. I just hope it's on the main card.

I'm surprised that Gurgel hasn't gotten a shot yet, unless he hasn't been completely healthy. And I'll be very glad if Hominick isn't pulled because of his loss in TKO a few weeks back.

I don't know what it is about Gurgel, but I think he can be a force. We'll have to wait and see.

Justin Levens is also an exciting fighter. That won't be on the main card, though.

My main card:

Anderson Silva vs. Chris Leben
Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans
Jonathan Goulet vs. Luke Cummo
Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick

And if they figure out a way to include five bouts: Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne.

And is anyone else as excited about the Lightweight division as I am?

Word on the street is that the winner of Stout/Florian will face Sean Sherk for the LW Title. I've said it on Sherdog, but I think the LW Title should become a main event staple of Ultimate Fight Night. That would be pretty cool, but it would create time problems because of having to include a possible five round fight in a 2-hour broadcast. Or they could just make it 3-hours long, which would be A-OK in my book.

And UFC 61 is shaping up to be an amazing card, as well. As is UFC 62 with Liddell vs. Babalu and Diego vs. Karo and hopefully BJ Penn fighting someone.

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I'm pumped about the LW division my self. I was hoping they'd do an 8 or 16 man tourny spread over a few PPVs and UFNs for the belt instaed of this 4 fourman minnie tourney they seems to be running.

I was impressed in Florians last outing where he busted that guys face open.

I've been waiting to see Gurgle (He's Rich Franklins cornerman for those who don't know.) Back in the UFC since he lost to Jason Von Flue in dramtic fashion.

I'd like to see him compete for the LW belt some day.

Goulet has something like 6 loses by KO so Luke should be able to handle him. It make sence that Zuffa would want to protect Luke thought. I could see him developing into a Jeremy Horn or Evan Tanner type of gatekeeper. He won't be the best fighter in the division, but hecan beat any given fighter on a given day just not everyday. You'd have to beat him to prove you deserve a shot and win or lose its exciting.

I don't think Evans Bonnar willl be a FOTY year but it will be interesting to see who comes out on top and how they look it doing so. Could be fun if they stand and trade.

UFC.TV has confirmed UFC 61 as Silva vs Alrovski III and Shamrock vs Ortiz II

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i'm definitely envisioning the Evans/Bonnar fight to be better than expected... wasn't a huge fan of Evans during TUF2, but seeing his Ultimate Fight Night fight at a more natural weight for him is promising... very very agile... and this is coming from a Bonnar mark...

I think Bonnar will take the match if/when it gets to the ground... Rashad's shown he's got a good chin, but he's also shown he's got plenty of work to do when it comes to the submission game... i say Bonnar wins by OMG~!!! Armbar in the 3rd round...

and HELL YEAH we get to see more of Luke Cummo!!!... he was far and away my fave guy to come out of TUF2... probably just the "inner nerd" in me... i agree that I don't think he'll ever be champion, but he'll never be an easy W for any of his opponents...






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Has anybody been watching the IFL on Fox Sports Net? It's MMA in a team format, no elbows or knees to a down fighter.

you can read all about it here
www.internationalfightleague.com

The fighters aren't as good as the ones in the UFC but its fun none the less and the unusal format is interesting. I just wish they could get FSN to give them a 90minute or two hour spot so they didn't have to edit some of the fights for time.

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In some very sad news, former UFC interviewer Ryan Bennett of MMAWeekly.com and the host of MMA Weekly Radio died last night in a car crash on I-15 in Utah.

He was travelling with his family (wife and four kids) when a tire popped, causing him to lose control, rolling five times. He was partially ejected and died at the scene. His wife is in surgery, two kids are in the hospital and two checked out fine (physically, of course).

I had just got in to listening to the radio show with him and Frank Trigg. It was a great, great show. In fact, I had won a DVD on their 1,000th show a few weeks back that was sent out to me by Bennett. Kinda weird now. Hopefully his wife and kids pull through as well as possible.

RIP.

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Theirs going to be another UFN on August 17th. This will be headkined by Karo Parisyan vs Diego Sanchez.

The UFN will leading to TUF4. TUF4 will feature veterans who have previously been in the UFC trying to earn their way back in.

UFC 62 will likely be Chuck Liddell vs Babalua and the Winner of Stout-Florian vs Sherk
UFC 63 will Be Matt Hughs vs George St. Peirre

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interesting couple of quips from Dana White, here:

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=16493

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ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIP PRESIDENT DANA WHITE

IS JULY PLAYBOY'S 20Q

The Man Behind the UFC Discusses The Ultimate Fighter Reality Show, Why He Credits Senator John McCain for the Existence of the UFC

and Why the UFC Crushes the WWE

UFC President Dana White is about to add two new pros to his stable of fighters on the June 24th season finale of The Ultimate Fighter 3, the popular Spike TV reality series which features16 fighters who live together as they prepare to compete for UFC contracts. White will then return to television on August 17 as host of The Ultimate Fighter: The Comeback. The success of The Ultimate Fighter has other networks such as Fox Sports, BET and Oxygen scrambling to develop fight-related series of their own. White is proud of the reality show and how it has turned the UFC around: "We got on TV and suddenly people were watching mixed martial arts without realizing they were watching it because they got caught up in the story lines," said White in Playboy's July 20Q (on newsstands Friday, June 9th).

Following are selected quotes from White's 20Q, conducted by Playboy contributor Jason Buhrmester:
On Spike TV's The Ultimate Fighter: "You also get to learn about the characters and see that these guys aren't a bunch of f*cking gorillas who just rolled in off a bar stool. You can see how hard they train and that they have real lives and families."

On Senator John McCain's opposition to the UFC: "I'll tell you what about Senator John McCain. He's a boxing fanatic and he went after the UFC, and thank god he did. I credit Senator McCain with our having this sport today. The bottom line is this sport needs to be regulated...If it weren't for McCain, we wouldn't be where we are today."

On how Mike Tyson would do in a UFC fight: "He would get destroyed. I know it. He's been getting destroyed in boxing lately. I'm not trying to slam Mike Tyson, because I'm still a huge fan. I like real fighters."

On why he didn't become a pro boxer: "I found out early in my career that I didn't have it. I was about 26 or 27 when the window started closing. For a long time it really messed with me that I hadn't fought a pro fight. But to fight pro is a lot of work, a lot of money and a lot of sacrifice. I didn't take that step. I always felt I didn't have the balls to turn pro."

On why he hates golf: "I happen to f*cking hate golf. Golf is the most useless f*cking sport of all time. It's a waste of f*cking time. It's a waste of f*cking land. It's a waste of everything. Homeless people are sleeping in the streets, and these rich dicks are out there golfing. Give me a f*cking break. They ought to build houses for the homeless on all the golf courses."

On why the UFC is better than the WWE: "...Because it's real. I think the WWE is fantastic. It's amazing when you're 12 to 15 years old. But when you hit 16 or 17, you realize it's fake, and you want to see something real. I was a huge WWE fan as a kid. I got to an age when I got tired of the sh*t. It was just acting."

On why he doesn't want his kids to be fighters: "I love my kids so much. Do I want them to be fighters? No way. But I don't want them to be football players, either. And I don't want them to stub their toes. I don't want them to get hurt at all. This is how f*cked up I am, that I sit around and think about this, but I dread the day when they get into a fight at school. I have two boys, so it's inevitable, but I dread that day."

On the most vicious thing he's ever seen during a UFC fight: "Nothing really makes me cringe. I love fighting. But when Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm with that arm bar, it was pretty crazy. Hell, we have four f*cking DVD's of Ultimate Knockouts, so there have been some awesome knockouts."

On what makes a guy want to become a UFC fighter: "It's the competition. These guys are real athletes and real fighters. It doesn't matter if they used to be schoolteachers or accountants. They love to compete. It's great when you're part of a team and you run out onto the field and the crowd is cheering. But when you walk into a f*cking arena with 17,000 people and your music is playing and everybody is looking at you and going crazy, it's an amazing feeling. It's a high you can't even imagine."

On whether someone will inevitably get seriously injured or killed in the UFC: "I fear it. I really do. To be honest, I don't know how I would deal with something seriously happening to one of these guys I f*cking love and care about."








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I read something about PRIDE being forced to shut down, something about shady dealings, losing their TV slot and ties to the yakuza. The article mentioned that you could compare this to WCW going out of business, only much, much larger. I am not a big fan of the MMA stuff, is this really that kind of deal? And is any of this true, or just rumors?





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UFC.com confirmed fights for upcoming events:

Ultimate Fighter 3 Ultimate Finale - June 24 - 9 p.m.

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout - Winner to face Sean Sherk at UFC 62 in August to determine new UFC Lightweight Champion

TUF3 Middleweight Final
TUF3 Light-Heavyweight Final

Ultimate Fight Night 5 - June 28 - 8 p.m.

Chris Leben vs. Anderson Silva
Rashad Evans vs. Stephan Bonnar
Jonathan Goulet vs. Luke Cummo
Thiago Alves vs. Jon Fitch
Dave Menne vs. Josh Koscheck
Branden Lee Hinkle vs. Jason Lambert

UFC 61: Bitter Rivals - July 7 - 10 p.m.

Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski
Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock
Frank Mir vs. Dan Christison
Josh Burkman vs. Josh Neer
Gilbert Aldana vs. Cheick Kongo





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Pride FC is in the middle of a scadal about being linked to organized crime. They have been kicked off their Japanese Televison station. Its a little early to be calling this the death of Pride fighting as there have been other scandals in the Japanese MMA/Pro wrestling industry.
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I thought the Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale had 3 awesome fights and 2 shows of pure domination.

The 2 show finals were great, and I have no objection to Dana White offering Ed Herman a contract, too (even if it's just ***bEEcOZZ*** I wanna see SOMEbody kick his ass). Kudos to Kendall for pulling the upset.

Bisping is going to be a star. He's got a complete set of tools, and he's shown he's got a pretty solid chin, too. The Light Heavyweight division is fucking loaded right now.

And in the show's "extra time" Matt Hamill completely obliterated Jesse Forbes. He showed he was in a different class when it comes to wrestlign and was fucking relentless with the pounding once Jesse made a mistake. He still needs to get a little more training in submissions and striking, but he'll be a force to be reckoned with, too. Would've been VERY interesting to see he and Bisping make it to the finals.






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When was the Hammill/Forbes fight? I completely missed that. Only fight I saw with Matt was the one with Nichols where he stayed on his feet the whole way because he was hurt.

The Herman/Groves fight was awesome just to see Ed manage to not tap out to all those submisions Kendall locked on him. That was sick. The rear naked choke he had on him late in the match looked like it had him dead and he managed to last to the bell.

And I love Bisping. Love him. I think if UFC makes a point to feature him in their Spike programming he might single handedly make me a dedicated UFC fan. I was praying that he'd destroy Josh because it seemed like he was nothing but a wild swinger. So I'm glad he did. And that flying knee he pulled out of his ass against Ross in the semis made me leap out of my seat.

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Lucky, due to the extreme brevity of the "main event", they had a few minutes extra to give us the Hamill/Forbes fight. Extreme fucking domination by Hamill, even if his only "skills" right now are wrestling and relentlessly pounding the fuck out of people. You could tell Forbes was wanting to keep it on his feet because even HE is afraid of Hamill's wrestling. I think he remains under Tito's tutelage, learns the submission side of things better, and learns to keep his hands up during boxing. He will be a dangerous, dangerous fighter. I could see a few years from now the division being dominated by him and Bisping.

Here's a quick list of the Light Heavyweight division:
Michael Bisping
Stephan Bonnar
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin
Matt Hamill
Sam Hoger
Keith Jardine
Chuck Liddell
Dean Lister
Tito Ortiz
Ken Shamrock

That's a ridiculous list of quality fighters at that weight class. No wonder Rich Franklin is staying in the Middleweight class. And honestly, I don't see Kendall Grove staying there, either. It just doesn't look like a comfortable weight for him, being 6'6" and all. But hey, if he can stay there he's got a much better chance than he does at Light Heavyweight.

DVR'd the Ultimate Fight Night from last night and only got through the first fight so far, so I'll have my insight on those fights tomorrow.

And I couldn't agree more with you about Bisping. He seems ready for the spotlight, already. Was very comfortable and mature when being interviewed even immediately after his fight. He's got all the skills needed, and he's not afraid to bust them out when other things don't seem to be working (see: flying knee on Ross). Oh, and his g/f is hot as hell, too






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So I watched all of Ultimate Fighter 3 and every wrestling fan I know who did the same came out with the exact same opinion. "I was a Shamrock fan going in but Ortiz seems like such a better guy." And while I agree that Ortiz clearly went into that thing with a hell of a lot more desire to help these guys (and him taking Kendall Groves under his wing as Goldberg was saying at the finale proves that even more, as do his claims that he was taking Matt Hamill under his wing presuming they were real) and Shamrock just didn't give a shit. That was the difference between the two teams, clearly. But Tito sure as hell never came off as a good guy to me. Shamrock admitted that most of his blowups were calculated to inspire his team or get under Ortiz' skin but Tito clearly did everything he could to get under Shamrock's. And he was constantly taking shots at Shamrock's guys. It just seemed like Tito was as big of an ass as Shamrock but did it in a much calmer way.

Then you say the clip of Ortiz laughing like a little girl during his press conference with Shamrock. And you hear all his "Shamrock's nothing, he's old and beaten down, I'll kill him" stuff. And I read somewhere that part of the hate these guys have for each other is that Shamrock was hurt during their first bout and had a rematch written into the contract but Tito kept dodging him (I have no idea how true that is, its just what I read). And Tito more and more came off like an ass to me.

That's why I loved reading this:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2006_/articles/1152405653.php
quote:
A final incident between Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz took place at yesterday's UFC 61 Weigh-Ins. After Shamrock weighed in at 206, Ortiz threw a fit, arguing that the fight contract was clear about the weight limit being 205. Nevada State rules, however, allow a fighter in a non-title match to go over the limit by one pound, so Shamrock's weight was perfectly fine.

Interestingly enough, Ortiz then weighed in at 206.5 and had to drop the half-pound before weighing in again.


Its not that I don't think Shamrock's an ass. Its just that Tito seems like a big one himself. He just actually did some good with the UF3 guys and is smarter about how he handles himself.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have 1 hour to try and convince my poker buddies that they really like UFC and are totally pumped for Ortiz/Shamrock and want to split the bill on UFă 61.

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