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Matte - 4-22-2011 at 05:40 AM

What is this?
A giant bracket tournament of female wrestling personalities.

What qualifies someone as a "wrestling personality"?
In this case, being involved in the wrestling industry in any way. Champions, Tough Enough/Diva Search contestants, Nitro Girls, indy wrestlers, Snooki, etc.

What is the criteria of these polls?
There is no criteria. Just pick which you favor more.

Why are there so many less-than-hot women in some of these polls?
There are over 400 women in this thing. In the sport/non-sport of wrestling/entertaining, the average-at-bests typically outnumber the 8s, 9s and 10s. Which means that the further we go into the showdown, the more attractive the women in it will become. This showdown is booze.

So is every female wrestling personality ever in this showdown?
No. A few names on my original list were cut because I couldn't backtrace them to find pictures. I didn't hunt down the websites of every wrestling company in America and record their rosters, so I'm sure there are tons of women that didn't appear in my research. And I wouldn't doubt there are hundreds of foreign female wrestling personalities that I failed to find as well.

Why don't I know any of these women?
Because you know of only a fraction of the planet's female wrestling personalities. And this showdown doesn't even include all of the planet's female wrestling personalities, so just think of how few female wrestling personalities you really know. Now go study.

When will I get to vote between women I know of?
Assuming your knowledge of the topic at hand is typical or close to it, the further we advance into the showdown, the more women you will know of.

How long do the polls stay open for?
Roughly a week. There's no option to set the polls to lock after a set amount of time, so they will "officially" end whenever I can get to the computer to assess the results, which I will try to do a week after posting them (give or take any number of hours, probably fewer than 24).

How often do new polls go up?
Roughly every week. When one set of polls closes, another set opens.

What happens if a poll ends in a draw?
I'll pick which girl I favor more and send them through. It's an easy way to settle it. Plus, if both girls end up with 20 votes each, it's obvious that you all failed at your task which will force me to do it for you.


Any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh, and before you ask - I don't know how long this showdown will take to conclude. You can figure it out by skimming text and doing math if you're interested enough. I'm not.

[Edited on 4-22-2011 by Matte]


Chris Is Good517 - 4-22-2011 at 02:50 PM

You missed the most important question of all- IS CONCRETE GOING TO BE ON HERE?


GatorBait - 4-22-2011 at 09:02 PM

THIEVERY!!!


williamssl - 4-23-2011 at 10:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte

How often do new polls go up?
Roughly every week. When one set of polls closes, another set opens.



How long will this run then? Will we crown a winner in 2011?


Matte - 4-23-2011 at 10:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
How long will this run then? Will we crown a winner in 2011?

Dammit Tex! Read the OP!
quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Oh, and before you ask - I don't know how long this showdown will take to conclude. You can figure it out by skimming text and doing math if you're interested enough. I'm not.

But, since you asked anyway... I plan on posting a page of polls a week. That's 24 polls to vote in over a 7 day period. Plenty of time to get all your votes in. 224 first round polls means approximately 9 weeks to get through round 1. Approximately 5 weeks for round 2. Approximately 2 weeks for round 3. Approximately 1 week for round 4. And then we're down to the final 14, which will take approximately 4 weeks to get through. So in total, it SHOULD take approximately 21 weeks (approximately 5 months).

Length shouldn't really be an issue here. All we're doing is voting for our favorite girls. It's not like we're in a hurry to crown a winner. And it's not like we'll become exhausted after a month of these. It's just a bunch of pointing and clicking, often with minimal thinking even being involved. Look at some girls, decipher which have the larger set of breasts, then click.

But to answer your question: Yes, we will crown a winner this year.


So that's the plan, meaning that's how it's looking like it will pan out at the moment. Timing is subject to change.


Chris Is Good517 - 4-24-2011 at 01:39 AM

But what about Concrete?


Capellan - 4-24-2011 at 04:19 AM

CiG: Seems like the answer is "yes".

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=24557


Matte - 4-24-2011 at 04:20 AM

EDIT: Capellan beat me to it. Vote 'Crete!

[Edited on 4-24-2011 by Matte]


DevilSoprano - 4-30-2011 at 09:12 PM

Matte, it may be too much of a pain but could you sticky a thread with the results as the polls conclude?


Matte - 5-1-2011 at 06:41 AM

No problem. Good idea, too.

This means that each time new polls go up, there will be 23 on the first page and 1 flooding over onto page 2. Just so everyone knows.

[Edited on 5-1-2011 by Matte]


Matte - 5-9-2011 at 10:16 PM

I'm going to start pinning the active polls so that old polls don't get mixed in and confuse everyone.

And because I'm kind of OCDish about things, I'm knocking the polls-per-week down to 23 so that all the pinned/"important" threads can be on page 1. Starting next week.


gobbledygooker - 5-9-2011 at 11:58 PM

Where the fuck is Sable?


Matte - 5-10-2011 at 12:01 AM

Will probably be posted in the next set of round 1 polls.


doctorb - 5-12-2011 at 11:06 PM

If Velvet and Brooke meet in the first round, I'm going to hunt you down and boil a rabbxt on your stove, Matte.

I haven't missed them, have I?


Matte - 5-12-2011 at 11:10 PM

Nope, still to come.


doctorb - 5-12-2011 at 11:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Nope, still to cum.


Damn straight.


williamssl - 5-13-2011 at 04:44 PM

Have there been any shutouts yet? I know there have been blowouts, and there have certainly been things that SHOULD have been shutouts....but have any materialized?


Matte - 5-14-2011 at 02:24 AM

Nope. Everyone has gotten at least 1 vote so far. Alexzandra and Fate were the only ones to get ONLY 1 vote, but they did still get 1 vote.


OORick - 5-19-2011 at 04:58 AM

Here's a RAQ (appropriate in a sub-forum that's at least 1/4th about Racks). Rick's Asked Question:

"Are the photos in the voting threads being purposely portioned out with later rounds in mind? That is to say, are the two pics per girl being seen in Round 1 different from/lesser than the pics that might pop up in later rounds where more hotness is needed, or are there two pics per girl and that's it for all future voting rounds?"

The answer to this question might impact my participation in these threads. I probably didn't need to drop the Kimona striptease video in during her foregone conclusion first-round vote, but knowing if I should hold out on early round votes, save super-hotness back for later rounds, or whatever would inform my motivation to re-tracking-down my favorite smut to post in support of my favorite broads....


Rick


Matte - 5-19-2011 at 08:45 PM

I plan on getting new pictures for each round, and yes, I purposely used some lackluster photos in round 1.

Take Stacy Keibler, for instance. I used this picture...



...instead of this picture...



...because it's not like Stacy is going to lose in round 1 regardless of what pictures I post of her. She's Stacy Keibler and she's up against some indy girl who none of us know of. In later rounds, she may be up against Torrie Wilson or Trish Stratus, Velvet Sky or Madison Rayne. Better pictures (and probably more; maybe 4-6 per girl... maybe even some videos?) will be found and posted at that point.

Plus, round 1 pictures were searched for and compiled as quickly as they could be. So many girls I don't care about, but I had to track them down anyway. Future rounds will be more fun to find pictures for, because I'll be looking at Madison Rayne, Mickie James, Lita and Gail Kim instead of Dixie Carter, Linda McMahon, Cynthia Moreno and Nicole Bass.

I hope that answers your RAQ. It sounds right in my head.


Matte - 5-22-2011 at 04:14 AM

Posting some polls now because, why not? The other polls will stay open alongside the new ones for the regular length of time (a week-ish) starting tonight.


DevilSoprano - 5-22-2011 at 04:47 AM

Why are we doing three-ways all of a sudden? We're going to be losing people we shouldn't be losing yet.


Matte - 5-22-2011 at 05:03 AM

The tall grass. Wild polls hide in it. Not under my control.


Matte - 5-25-2011 at 12:56 AM

I hope no one minds moving on a little early to the next set of polls. The current ones are all mostly decided at this point anyway. One or two fights still going on, but otherwise, it's pretty much over.

I'll stick to the 1-week time frame better once we get to round 2, I promise. Most of round 1 has been weighted pretty obviously, which means we've been seeing who the winners are much earlier than 1 week after polls have been put up. When a huge majority of the polls are something like 34-8 (or 26-3-7 in the case of 3-ways*), I think it's fair to call it and move on.

Only 3 more sets of round 1 polls (the set I'm posting tonight is included in those 3), then onto round 2, where the real action begins!

*No, there won't be anymore 3-ways. It was a one-time thing to keep round 1 interesting during its long stretch of "meh" polls, and an easy way to stuff more names into less polls, shortening the length of round 1 overall.


Matte - 5-29-2011 at 08:52 AM

How many Nitro Girls are in the showdown?
19 Nitro Girls in total, but Bertha Faye (Beef), Kimberly Page (Kimberly), Stacy Keibler (Skye) and Sharmell Huffman (Paisley) were all listed by their non-Nitro Girl names.

And how many Diva Search girls?
35 Diva Search Girls in total, which includes the likes of Christy Hemme, Maria Kanellis, Michelle McCool, Layla El, Maryse Ouellet, Eve Torres, etc. Some pretty well-established names did come from the Diva Search. Of course, the swimsuit models who add nothing to the business balance it out.

Can you name all of them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitro_Girls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Diva_Search

EDIT: Putting a new poll up right now in place of a another one where one of the choices has already advanced under a different name. That brings the Diva Search total up to 35. I didn't have the winner of the first Diva Search in the showdown (I simply overlooked her because the contest was internet-only and all she did upon winning was pose for a photoshoot), so this was her opportunity at a way in.

[Edited on 5-29-2011 by Matte]


Ecosystem - 5-29-2011 at 09:09 AM

Yeah, looking at that, it's hard to argue the Diva Search wasn't kind of a success for WWE. I mean, it took spots from a lot of talented women in the indies and was tremendously harmful on that front, but they got some compelling characters. Christy/Maria/Michelle/Ashley/Kristal/Layla/Rosa/Maryse/Eve/Tiffany isn't a bad success rate for what they were going for (and I'm not counting non-wrestling characters like Joy and Lena, who tended to be shorter-tenure anyway).


Matte - 5-30-2011 at 01:22 AM

Last batch of round 1 polls going up tonight so that we can move onto round 2 by Wednesday. Then I'll finally start leaving each set of polls up for a week at a time, instead of rushing them along. I really just wanted to get past round 1.


doctorb - 5-30-2011 at 03:42 PM

Wow, I didn't even vote in all of the last section.


Ecosystem - 5-31-2011 at 06:43 PM

So a thought I had while reviewing these polls, and also going back through the OO Fantasy Drafts in preparation for a similar draft at Pun's...

Would there be interest in a Women's Wrestling Draft?

Basically, the way we've run OO Fantasy Drafts in the past: we draft wrestlers we like in a round-robin order (so if we have 10 people and you have pick #10, you start the next round with pick #11) and then we put together wrestling cards with our final roster, and people cast votes to decide which they like best in a tournament. You can see more to the link above.

Although we've been exposed here to 400 or so female wrestlers here with at least 75-100 no-names, it's still a smaller pool--so I'd like to run a smaller draft with a few interested players (say, 8-12 people) with 25 rounds instead of 42, in order to keep it both speedy and interesting.

Thoughts? I know there's a Pun's draft right now, and I don't know when the next full OO Draft starts, but this would be a shorter, fun exercise that we could start maybe after Round 2 of this showdown.


doctorb - 6-2-2011 at 04:41 PM

How long are these polls going to be open, now? A week was too long at first but then the last couple seemed to close in just 2 or 3 days.

Is there going to be a standard? A week, 5 days, or is it just until the votes slow down and there's a clear winner?


Matte - 6-2-2011 at 05:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Last batch of round 1 polls going up tonight so that we can move onto round 2 by Wednesday. Then I'll finally start leaving each set of polls up for a week at a time, instead of rushing them along. I really just wanted to get past round 1.


williamssl - 6-14-2011 at 11:41 PM

Update the polls already you slacker.


BigStevieCool - 6-17-2011 at 02:45 PM

Matte,

First, thanks for running this whole thing. Pretty awesome idea.

Second, I have a suggestion that you can either use or ignore in your ultimate wisdom.

I know that you plan on posting different pics of the girls as the rounds progress. May I suggest that you do that cumulatively? As in, during round 2, you post the pics that you posted in round 1 as well as the new pics, and in round 3 you post the pics from round 1 and 2 as well as the new pics.

The reason I suggest this is that 1) more pics are always good, and 2) it gives a broader view of the girls. For some girls there are only a few pics to go around, but for others there are lots of pics, some hot, some less than hot. If the less perfect pics were used in round 1, it's still worth including them in the later rounds so that voters can see the total picture of the girl, not just the best pics of her.

For me, I just caught onto this for round 2, so I've missed out on some of the round 1 pics as well -- it gives perspective.

And i just like looking at more pics of hot chicks. :-p

There may be reasons not to do this -- limits on post sizes, threads become too long, etc. As I said, I leave it to your wisdom to decide what's best.

Again, thanks for the effort of running this!


williamssl - 6-17-2011 at 03:55 PM

A little secret:

You see this Internet thing....it is big. Lots and lots of stuff on it. Including pictures. Of girls. Videos too.

And you might be thinking....hey great and all but how would I ever find those things on this apparently big Internet?

Another secret:

There are these things called search engines. You type in what you are looking for and they do all the hard work.




BigStevieCool - 6-17-2011 at 08:23 PM

Not gonna happen. I'm too lazy to even go back and look at the pics from round 1. And there are only 10 pages of threads there. too much effort to go back and search for all the pics every time. They all need to be in one place, for my consideration.

Thanks for the suggestion though.


Matte - 6-22-2011 at 09:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BigStevieCool
Not gonna happen. I'm too lazy to even go back and look at the pics from round 1. And there are only 10 pages of threads there. too much effort to go back and search for all the pics every time. They all need to be in one place, for my consideration.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

I'm going to use this as my own response to your suggestion.

It's a great suggestion, and one that I would have done if it had been suggested at the beginning of the showdown, but at this point, it would require too much backtracking and I already spend enough time once a week searching for pictures and posting the polls (which is more time consuming than you'd think since you can only post once every 90 seconds - 90 seconds x 23 polls = over 30 minutes of nothing but waiting and then clicking the "Post Reply" button - and then add in the time spent collecting 2-4 pictures of each girl - 23 polls = 46 girls = 92-184 pictures - and then add in the time spent actually CREATING the polls, which requires 23 tabs to be open at once and all of them having to have image tags, names, poll options, etc. typed up, plus image URLs have to be copied/pasted one-by-one, blah blah blah poor me).

Hoping to get the new polls posted tonight, by the way.


doctorb - 6-23-2011 at 04:43 PM

How many girls did we finally start with?

And not counting the qualifying round, how many rounds are we looking at?


Matte - 6-23-2011 at 08:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by doctorb
How many girls did we finally start with?

450 I think.
quote:
And not counting the qualifying round, how many rounds are we looking at?

I don't know anymore. The original plan is on the first page, but the 3-ways happened and the original brackets were scrapped.


doctorb - 6-23-2011 at 09:09 PM

I can't believe I just went and counted off the results list but I got 215 winners from Round one. So adding 6 losers from the qualifying and an extra 25 from the 3 way round that means we started with 461.

Assuming there aren't any more 3 ways or anything crazy, this will go, lets see, how does it work with an odd number? 214 to 107 to 59 to 30 to 15 to 8 to 4 to 2 to Velvet Sky, that's 9 rounds.


Matte - 6-27-2011 at 01:05 AM

Putting up the last set of round 2 polls tonight. Only 13 in this set. Round 3 begins soon!


OORick - 6-27-2011 at 02:39 AM

By my count, this last set of polls means there will be 105 girls advancing to Round 3 (4 batches of 23 polls is 92 winners, plus the 13 winners from this abbreviated set).

An uneven number is anathema to a bracket-style tourney, so my curious mind now demands that Matte reveal his plans for dealing with bracketing now that we are down to a number that we can wrap our heads around! Byes? Three-ways? Round robins? DEMAND TO KNOW~!

FWIW, I am a man who has spent the past 3 years perfecting and tweaking a new format for March Madness that allows for expansion, but not all the way to 128 teams (which would be stupid), so my brain is trained to think in terms of taking unusual numbers and reducing them down to 64 via byes/play-ins/etc... ergo, my brain instantly knows that the "simple" thing to do would be to assign 23 "byes" (I think Matte could be trusted to pick 23 women who would have zero chance of being eliminated in this round), and put the other 82 women into polls that will result in 41 winners. Then, 23 + 41 = 64, and we can actually proceed with a properly seeded single-elimination tournament.

That said, I'll include another proposal that's less "simple" and requires one extra step. Because hey, half the fun so far has been the wackiness of the bracketing, so why make it simple now?

Give byes to 15 women (again, I think it'd be easy to find 15 out of 105 that we all agree are safe from elimination at this point), put the other 90 into polls, resulting in 45 winners (15+45=60). Then, for our extra step, the top 10 vote-getting losers out of the 45 are all placed into one giant 10-way poll, where the top 4 vote getters get a second chance to advance, and fill out the field of 64, which again is where it is possible to proceed with a properly seeded single elimination tournament. [Or instead of one 10-way poll, we could do three 3-way polls, with each winner AND a wild card getting a second chance, or some other way of deciding upon 4 "play-in" winners to round out the field of 64.]

Yours in a Dictatorial and Prickish Demand for Structure,
Rick


lz4005 - 6-27-2011 at 02:54 AM

Anyone else bothered by the fact that 82% of the winners so far in round two have been the name appearing first?


Matte - 6-27-2011 at 03:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
Anyone else bothered by the fact that 82% of the winners so far in round two have been the name appearing first?
Yes, I am. You guys need to change up your voting strategy of "vote for the first name listed."
quote:
Originally posted by OORick
ergo, my brain instantly knows that the "simple" thing to do would be to assign 23 "byes" (I think Matte could be trusted to pick 23 women who would have zero chance of being eliminated in this round), and put the other 82 women into polls that will result in 41 winners. Then, 23 + 41 = 64, and we can actually proceed with a properly seeded single-elimination tournament.
That's the option I'll probably go with. And good thing it was mentioned now, or I probably would have overlooked it and we would end up with a wacky bracket and a Nitro Girl would somehow win.


doctorb - 6-27-2011 at 04:04 PM

How did we go from 215 to 105? Did I count wrong or were there a couple of names listed twice?


OOMike - 6-27-2011 at 05:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
Anyone else bothered by the fact that 82% of the winners so far in round two have been the name appearing first?



I blame Matte for listing the more popular (hotter) woman first...


BigStevieCool - 6-27-2011 at 06:36 PM

I order to avoid arguments over who deserves a bye and who doesn't (even though it's just Matte deciding, ultimately), may I suggest that the byes be determined by percentage of victory in round 2? The largest margins of victory get the byes. That avoids the need to debate over who the top 15 are, etc.

Just a suggestion.


Matte - 6-28-2011 at 02:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by doctorb
How did we go from 215 to 105? Did I count wrong or were there a couple of names listed twice?

Yea, I don't know. If anyone cares to explain how that works, please do. All this number/math stuff is shorting out my brain.
quote:
Originally posted by BigStevieCool
I order to avoid arguments over who deserves a bye and who doesn't (even though it's just Matte deciding, ultimately), may I suggest that the byes be determined by percentage of victory in round 2? The largest margins of victory get the byes. That avoids the need to debate over who the top 15 are, etc.

More math!?


Matte - 6-28-2011 at 07:15 AM

Here's the list of byes I put together after a quick scan of all the names:

AJ Lee
Angelina Love
Beth Phoenix
Beulah McGillicutty
Brooke Adams
Christy Hemme
Daffney
Gail Kim
Kimona Wanalaya
Lita
Madison Rayne
Maria Kanellis
Mickie James
Molly Holly
Natalya Neidhart
Rosita
Sarita
Serena Deeb
Shelly Martinez
Stacy Keibler
Trish Stratus
Velvet Sky
Victoria

Which means round 3 polls will include:

Allison Danger
Allison Wonderland
Alundra Blayze
Amber O'Neal
Angela Fong
Annie Social
Ashley Massaro
Awesome Kong
Ayako Hamada
Becky Bayless
Britani Knight
Brittany Savage
Candice LaRae
Candice Michelle
Cheerleader Melissa
Chelsea
Cherry Bomb
Christie Ricci
Christina Crawford
Christina Von Eerie
Chyna
Crystal Louthan
Daizee Haze
Dawn Marie
Francine Fournier
Hiroko Suzuki
Ivory
Jackie Gayda
Jacqueline Moore
Jade Chung
Jemma Palmer
Jennifer Blake
Jessie McKay
Jillian Hall
Joy Giovanni
Kaitlyn
Katie Lea
Kelly Kelly
Kimberly Page
Krissy Vaine
Kristal Marshall
Lacey
Lacey Von Erich
Lauren Brooke
Layla El
Lena Yada
Lilian Garcia
Lizzy Valentine
LuFisto
Luna Vachon
Madison Eagles
Maryse Ouellet
Melina Perez
Mia Yim
Miss Elizabeth
Naomi Knight
Nidia
Nikki Bella
Nikki Matthews
ODB
Portia Perez
Rachel Summerlyn
Rain
Rebecca Knox
Rima Fakih
Rosa Mendes
Roxxi Laveaux
Ryan Shamrock
Sara Del Rey
Sexy Star
Shazza McKenzie
Sherri Martel
SoCal Val
Stacy Carter
Stephanie McMahon
Sunny
Taylor Wilde
Terri Runnels
Torrie Wilson
Traci Brooks
Vickie Guerrero
Woman

Of course, this is assuming that the current polls end up like this:

Gail Kim vs. Ann Brookstone
Shaniqua vs. Chyna
Torrie Wilson vs. Nitro Girl Syren
Traci Brooks vs. Wesna Busic
Brooke Adams vs. Rosetta Park
Bertha Faye vs. Jessie McKay
Victoria vs. Ariane Andrew
Sherri Martel vs. Aksana
Kimona Wanalaya vs. Jaime Koeppe
Mildred Burke vs. Jillian Hall
Ivory vs. Bobbie-Jo Anderson
Rima Fakih vs. Nitro Girl Gold
Woman vs. Tori

Dispute my list if you want, see if I care.


OORick - 6-29-2011 at 04:12 AM

I would lobby strenuously for both Steph and Sunny to be given byes; they both possess high levels of importance/relevance and hotness. Hell, Sunny is in the Hall of Fame, so who are we not to grant her a bit of immunity?

A notch below, very good cases could be made for: Ivory (exceptional career resume, tons of hotness), Sensational Sherri (incredibly talented, not entirely un-hot), and Elizabeth (proximate to many memorable moments, very hot). Lesser arguments could be made for: Madusa/Alundra (historical importance of bringing women's wrestling back to the US), Kharma/Kong (a latter day Madusa, albeit with less historical hindsight and not much hotness), and Layla (seemingly the one present day "Diva Search Loser" who is appreciated by all fans for her in-ring/on-mic improvements, and also, she's hot).

I like to be positive in my assessment of hot chicks, rather than nitpicking for flaws, so I'm less comfortable saying who I think should come off the list of byes to make room.... but to make room for Steph and Sunny, I guess I will admit that I don't see Shelley Martinez or Brooke Adams being among the top 23 remaining.

After that, you could poke holes in the cases of a few girls for brevity of careers/exposure (AJ, Rosita, Sarita, Serena, Daffney) or one-dimensionality (Christy, Maria), but I can obviously see why others would be attached to them in a way that I don't think there'd be massive support for Martinez/Adams, especially since my own secondary tiers of nominees have their own holes (unlike Steph/Sunny, who I really think are bulletproof to the round of 64).

Then again, if I'm so sure they're "bulletproof," then why should I care if they are forced to compete in an extra round? I guess I don't, and will defer to Matte's wisdom... but I thought I'd toss my 2 cents in just in case it informs the discussion.


Rick

[Edited on 6-29-2011 by OORick]


Matte - 6-30-2011 at 08:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
quote:
Originally posted by doctorb
How did we go from 215 to 105? Did I count wrong or were there a couple of names listed twice?

Yea, I don't know. If anyone cares to explain how that works, please do. All this number/math stuff is shorting out my brain.

Ok, I figured it out. First of all, there were 212 winners from round 1, not 215. You probably just counted wrong, no big deal. That means there should be 106 winners from round 2, not 105 like we were planning for, which means I forgot to enter two girls into round 2 polls. A quick scan of the results and I think MsChif and Jazz are those two. Righting that wrong right now by posting a new poll: MsChif vs. Jazz.

This also means that I can add 1 more girl to the list of byes. Based on Rick's suggestion, Sunny gets that spot.


atothej - 6-30-2011 at 01:22 PM

Also, stop trying to push Kimona. She's not bye-worthy over Medusa, Steph, Melissa, or Kong. She's barely beating a diva-search winner who nearly nobody remembers but who has a great ass.


Matte - 6-30-2011 at 02:55 PM

Yea, old news buddy.


OORick - 7-1-2011 at 05:17 PM

FYI: to get down to 64 from 106 (instead of from 105), you don't add a bye, Matte. You take one away.

22 byes leaves 84 women. 42 winners + 22 byes = 64.



Rick


Matte - 7-2-2011 at 02:41 AM

Derp. Thanks, I'm glad someone's here to correct all of my screw-ups.

Here's the new list of byes (with Rick's earlier suggestions taken into consideration)...

AJ Lee
Angelina Love
Beth Phoenix
Beulah McGillicutty
Christy Hemme
Daffney
Gail Kim
Lita
Madison Rayne
Maria Kanellis
Mickie James
Molly Holly
Natalya Neidhart
Rosita
Sarita
Serena Deeb
Stacy Keibler
Stephanie McMahon
Sunny
Trish Stratus
Velvet Sky
Victoria


BigStevieCool - 7-2-2011 at 03:02 PM

I'm shocked that Sarita and Rosita get byes.

Not complaining about it. Just very surprised that they are held in such high regard.


doctorb - 7-2-2011 at 03:36 PM

Me too, but I'm pretty sure they've won with some wide margins.


TexShark300 - 7-7-2011 at 07:11 PM

I'm bored with these matchups already

New ones please


Matte - 7-8-2011 at 06:39 PM

1) People voting based on who I rallied behind in previous rounds is fucking stupid. Vote for which girl you like best, not which girl you think you will piss me off by voting for, because you won't. I don't care if Mia advances over Kimona, just because I thought Kimona should advance over Koeppe. Stop being so petty.

2) Kimona/Koeppe. Kimona advanced. Sorry if that pisses you off. It was the last poll of the set that I tallied up because it was the closest and it still had votes coming in. Yup, still had votes coming in and I let those votes count. If I wanted to rig the poll, I would have locked it two days earlier when Kimona was winning, or I would have made some fake accounts and stuffed her box (heh). And yea, I was the tiebreaking vote. Read the FAQs, that's in there.

3) I know some of you are just kidding around, but for anyone who is serious in your hatred of my bracketing, whip up a bracket of your own and hand it over. Less work for me, and a perfect bracket because it's made by you.

[Edited on 7-8-2011 by Matte]


punkerhardcore - 7-8-2011 at 07:01 PM

Well said... should post that in the appropriate poll thread, too.


Matte - 7-11-2011 at 09:59 AM

8 polls each week for the next 4 weeks. Round 5 begins in a month.

Or maybe 8 polls each half-week, depending on how the votes end up looking, which would have round 5 beginning in two weeks.

[Edited on 7-11-2011 by Matte]


Matte - 7-12-2011 at 11:11 PM

I'm contemplating something a little different for this round. The first 8 polls have already been posted, but I was thinking of posting the next 8 polls tonight, then the next 8 polls maybe Thursday, then the last batch over the weekend. All the polls (32 at that point) will remain open for a week following that weekend.


DevilSoprano - 7-12-2011 at 11:28 PM

I wouldn't go that quick. Maybe do the next 8 on Thursday. The next 8 on Monday when you close the first 8. And the the final 8 on Thursday closing the second 8. Leave the last 16 open until Wednesday and then post the first 8 of the next round on Wednesday and do full weeks for the rest of the tourney.


Matte - 7-12-2011 at 11:52 PM

Maybe I'll post another 8 tonight, then close both 8 mid-week next week, then post the remaining 16 and leave them open for a week. Yea, I think that makes sense. Maybe it's just me, but 8 polls isn't much, especially when compared to 23 in previous rounds, so I think two sets of 16, a week for each, works. 8 more polls to come tonight. Round 5 in about 2 weeks, and all polls will remain open for a week until the end of the showdown.

EDIT: My purpose for doing this isn't to rush past round 4, it's just that a majority of the 8 polls already have pretty decisive winners, so I figure having 16 polls open at once instead of just 8 will give us more to do during the week. A lot of the usual discussion that happens in these polls has already come and gone in these 8, so another 8 joining in and remaining open with the previous 8 for a week's time seems appropriate.

Round 5 will feature 1 set of 16 polls, open for a week.

Round 6 will feature 1 set of 8 polls, open for a week.

Round 7 will feature 1 set of 4 polls, open for a week.

Round 8 will feature 1 set of 2 polls, open for a week.

And round 9 will be the final 1-on-1 poll to decide the winner, open for a week.

[Edited on 7-12-2011 by Matte]


doctorb - 7-13-2011 at 09:50 PM

Round 9 won't need a week. Velvet will have a clear victory in just a few hours.


DevilSoprano - 7-25-2011 at 01:56 PM

Matte, did you make a mistake and label these as round 4 polls instead of round 5?


williamssl - 7-25-2011 at 08:05 PM

I think these are the statements and arguments that seem to be getting used most frequently in the showdowns by lots of people.



How the fuck is ____________ winning?

___________ is so much hotter.


___________ has made far greater contributions to the industry.


The (small #) of people who didn't vote for ________ are idiots/gay/fucktards/etc.

Fuck you Matte.






What did I miss?

[Edited on 7-25-2011 by williamssl]


punkerhardcore - 7-25-2011 at 08:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl

What did I miss?



I would ram my dong into ____'s ______.


Matte - 7-25-2011 at 09:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Matte, did you make a mistake and label these as round 4 polls instead of round 5?

Whoops.


Blown Spot - 8-1-2011 at 03:08 PM

Based on the results so far I really hope we don't have Trish vs Mickie in the next round. That would be a tragically early matchup.


C.MontgomeryPunk - 8-1-2011 at 06:33 PM

I'd love to see Molly vs Mickie, but don't think that would make sense next round.

Molly vs Rayne/Victoria winner
Lita vs Mickie
Trish vs Ivory/Melissa
Sky vs Kim/Beth

Molly vs Mickie and Trish vs Velvet

[Edited on 8-1-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]


DevilSoprano - 8-1-2011 at 07:04 PM

Lita vs. Trish
Velvet vs. Madison/Victoria
Molly vs. Ivory/Melissa
Mickie vs. Gail/Beth


Matte - 8-2-2011 at 03:32 AM

I was contemplating seeding the Elite 8 based on your votes.

If I just continued doing things my own way, I'd probably go with something like...

Trish vs. Melissa/Ivory
Mickie vs. Victoria/Madison
Velvet vs. Sunny/Lita
Molly vs. Gail/Beth

So, should I do that, or leave the seeding up to votes?


OORick - 8-2-2011 at 05:07 AM

I hesitate to offer my advice, on the grounds that I've offered it once or twice before, and Matte actually took it... that creates the impression that my opinion matters more than everybody else's just because I'm footing the bill for you being here.

In matters such as this, I mostly just appreciate that Matte's done a shit-ton of leg work on this, and he can bracket things however he wants as a result.

If -- IF -- I were to offer an opinion, it'd be that the Elite Eight is no time to get away from the Vaguely Appropriate Match-Uppery that we've seen in past rounds. No bracketing out of spite, or purely by popularity... just pairings that make some sort of convoluted "sense" and put a man to a test when he votes...

For me, those pairings can't even be determined yet, due to the closeness of some votes... but it seems like Trish vs. Lita/Sunny would be a good match-up in the "Attitude Era Launching" Region... Mickie vs. Gail/Beth would be good in a "Chicks Who Actually Did It in WWE, Even if They Did It Better Elsewhere" Region... Molly vs. Ivory/Melissa would be good for a "Internet Appreciatorizatorizing For Underappreciationitude" Region... and Velvet vs. Victoria/Rayne will satisfy for a "Yes, Of Course TNA Counts" Region...

But that's just one man's opinion....


Rick


Matte - 8-4-2011 at 04:13 AM

Since Dev and Rick both came up with the same Elite 8 polls, those are the polls I'll go with. Rick's explanation makes enough sense for me.

But before those polls are posted, the current polls need decisive winners. Currently, Victoria is up 41-37 over Madison, Melissa is up 42-39 over Ivory, Sunny is up 42-38 over Lita, and Gail and Beth are tied at 38-38. I'd say all those polls are still somewhat up in the air at this point. The remaining polls all have decisive winners.

Elite 8 will be posted on Sunday.


C.MontgomeryPunk - 8-4-2011 at 04:32 AM

^Riight. They probably promised you blow jobs or something.

They're not bad if Melissa and Beth win I guess as they make for some interesting match-ups of Melissa vs Molly and Beth vs Mickie James. Trish vs Sunny could be interesting, but I suspect a blow out (would have been vs Lita as well). Velvet vs Victoria is less interesting but Victoria has been surprisingly strong.

I suspect Molly, Trish, Velvet and Mickie would still be the F4. I don't know if I should try reverse psychology here or not but...

Trish vs Velvet
Molly vs Mickie

Would be my semi-final bracket. Or would it...muhahahahahahahahaha!


OOMike - 8-5-2011 at 02:27 PM

I know this would be more work for you Matte, but with the recent....questionable polling in the Oh So Sweet 16, perhaps you should go with post voting only for the last 3 rounds....

Just a thought.


OORick - 8-5-2011 at 02:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OOMike
I know this would be more work for you Matte, but with the recent....questionable polling in the Oh So Sweet 16, perhaps you should go with post voting only for the last 3 rounds....

Just a thought.


quote:
Originally posted by Matte on April 16
Voting: It'll be through polls. If you want to post something about the girls, feel free. If not, don't. Fake accounts; whatever. If you want one of these girls to win that badly, no one's going to be checking on who's voting in these polls. If you want to spend your time making a bunch of fake accounts to ensure that your favorite girl wins this no-prize-given showdown, the options open. No chaos will ensue here, my friends.


Granted, Aliass has managed to completely twist the intent of Matte's words in his idiotic blathering of this morning (which I'm sure I'll get around to addressing later on when I have time), but the point remains that Matte's got no desire (nor should he be obligated) to consider anything that adds work/headaches for him.


Rick


Chris Is Good517 - 8-5-2011 at 02:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OOMike
I know this would be more work for you Matte, but with the recent....questionable polling in the Oh So Sweet 16, perhaps you should go with post voting only for the last 3 rounds....

Just a thought.


I'm on board with that idea. Also, Dev should vote last to curb the spite voting. It's retarded, but obviously people are going to do it because that's the only logical explanation for Victoria to be beating Maddie or for Ivory to be within a 15 vote margin of Melissa.


atothej - 8-5-2011 at 02:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I'm on board with that idea. Also, Dev should vote last to curb the spite voting. It's retarded, but obviously people are going to do it because that's the only logical explanation for Victoria to be beating Maddie or for Ivory to be within a 15 vote margin of Melissa.


I love that your defense of Dev trades in the exact kind of wankerdom that leads to spite votes against his position. Kudos!


doctorb - 8-5-2011 at 03:14 PM

I find it really sad that people seem to actually be voting against Dev.

What a clusterfuck. Matte, I hope you're not sorry you did this because I'm enjoying it immensely.

As for locking the boards, I'm torn. I would have joined earlier but the boards were locked (so most of you are probably wishing they were never opened) but it seems like the bot to decent newbie ratio has been about 25 to 1 the last year. They should probably be reopened as soon as this contest is over, though.


OOMike - 8-5-2011 at 05:30 PM

I did remember Matte's original rules set forth so long ago, I was just making a suggestion in response to all the drama set off in the Melissa/Ivory poll.

Personally, I never heard of Melissa before this poll, and frankly have voted (once) against her if "I" felt that her opponent was more attractive or one of my personal favorites (Ivory).

Not to cross below the line, but I can see how the political discussion in this country is all fucked up when we have this much arguing over women wrestlers.


Matte - Do what you think is best, I will continue to enjoy the pictures you post and hope for a few NSFW polls in the last couple of rounds.


salmonjunkie - 8-5-2011 at 05:42 PM

Edited to say: I posted all that before reading Matte's original rules of whateverness.

Toodles!

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by salmonjunkie]


happy_buddha - 8-5-2011 at 05:57 PM

For fuck's sake, people. If I knew assholes were going to cheat anyway, Sherri would still be in this...


williamssl - 8-5-2011 at 09:53 PM

Here are the two matchups my evil assholeness may have driven the result:

An early Kat victory. Maybe round 2

Angelina Skeletors recent elimination.

To all the haters of people the king fucked...my apologies.

Same to people who like getting bone splinters when having sex.


mastermind - 8-5-2011 at 10:06 PM

Make a rap video about bread and the Dallas Mavericks voting for Kimona or you're banned.


Qonas - 8-5-2011 at 10:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by happy_buddha
For fuck's sake, people. If I knew assholes were going to cheat anyway, Sherri would still be in this...


If I knew assholes were going to cheat anyway, Rebecca Knox and Lacey would still be in this...

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by Qonas]


happy_buddha - 8-6-2011 at 12:54 AM

the internet is an ugly place.

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by happy_buddha]


Capellan - 8-6-2011 at 07:23 AM

Creating sock accounts to pad votes is kinda sad, and far more effort than I could be bothered with, but not actually against the rules of the competition.

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Voting: It'll be through polls. If you want to post something about the girls, feel free. If not, don't. Fake accounts; whatever. If you want one of these girls to win that badly, no one's going to be checking on who's voting in these polls. If you want to spend your time making a bunch of fake accounts to ensure that your favorite girl wins this no-prize-given showdown, the options open.


Matte - 8-6-2011 at 07:27 AM

So I've read the advancements in this thread and the Melissa/Ivory thread. If this had happened prior to the Sweet 16, I'd just ignore it completely and move on as if nothing had happened. But since this is the Sweet 16, the point where it looks like some real discussion is going on and unsure-ish-ness of which choice to vote for at first glance is setting in, I'd kind of like the showdown to be as legitimate as it can be from this point on. With that said, I think I'll re-post Melissa/Ivory, Victoria/Madison, Gail/Beth, and Sunny/Lita. All four of those polls may not have been tampered with, but they are all pretty close, so no harm in re-doing all of them, just in case. They'll be posted and left open for a week, along with the previously posted remaining four polls that have decisive, shenanigan-free winners (Trish/Kong, Stacy/Velvet, Mickie/Maria, Molly/Daffney), which means The Elite 8 polls will be posted Sunday the 14th. And by polls, I mean polls.

I have no animosity toward anyone involved in this in any way. If you voted more than once in any of the polls this round or previously and were called out on it, don't think your vote won't be wanted in future rounds. This is a minor inconvenience at worst. This is all for fun, and if some peoples' idea of fun is rigging games to ensure they get their way in the end, then who are we to tell them their opinion is wrong? Hopefully they got it out of their system, though, as most of us have more fun doing this when everyone has only one vote to submit. I didn't ask Rick to investigate or list names, but also have no problem with him doing just that. He noticed multiple fake accounts being registered and used to vote with, so he called them out on it so the showdown could keep what tiny bit of remaining dignity it has left at this point. In the end, I think it was the right choice, otherwise the cheating would only escalate the further we advanced, and the final outcome of the showdown would be questionable at best.

In summary, if you voted more than once, you're the cause of this showdown taking one week longer than it would have taken if you hadn't. And YOU have to live with that on your conscience, not me.

[Edited on 8-8-2011 by Matte]


OOMike - 8-15-2011 at 02:05 PM

Matte - I truly hate you (not really) for these match ups... My top two facing off this time instead of the finals?!?!


Ok bitching done...


williamssl - 8-20-2011 at 05:56 PM

Next round please.


C.MontgomeryPunk - 8-21-2011 at 03:54 AM

Trish vs Sky
Molly vs Mickie


OORick - 8-21-2011 at 05:40 AM

That'd be one way to do the semis... CMP's pairings are clearly designed to insure a final of "insanely, ball-drainingly-sexy blonde chick, whose merely-adequate wrestling skills are over-looked because of aforementioned sexiness" vs. "fat chick."

You could do it another way: Trish vs. Molly, and Mickie vs. Velvet. That would result in a final of "former WWE babe from the Golden Era" vs. "current TNA chick."

And part of me is curious to see what would happen if you did Trish vs. Mickie, and Velvet vs. Molly. Because that's one WM26 rematch (where the wrong one won for all the wrong reasons), and one match that I think is the only semi-final match I think Molly could win. If Velvet can only barely beat Victoria, I think (hope?) she's even more vulnerable against noted (relevant) wang-candy like Molly...

Then again, some delusitards around here still don't understand why Wrestling Footnote Cheerleader Melissa* isn't in the Elite Eight, so who knows if my hope for Molly is any more realistic...


Rick



* She was once Awesome Kong's anonymous masked manager.


DevilSoprano - 8-21-2011 at 06:58 AM

Thanks for reminding me that you're a douchebag.


C.MontgomeryPunk - 8-25-2011 at 09:46 PM

We'll need a bronze medal game.

Molly vs Velvet Sky


Matte - 8-27-2011 at 09:19 AM

Posting the finals tonight since the power will probably go out in the hurricane.


BigStevieCool - 8-29-2011 at 12:51 PM

Thanks for all the hard work on this Matte. It was enjoyed by all.

Now that rankings have been established, we should do this tourney again and see if it plays out the same way. :-p


Matte - 9-3-2011 at 06:34 AM

Well, it's OOfficial!


Your 2011 Ultimate Diva Showdown winner is... Trish Stratus!



Second place (first is the worst, second is the best) goes to... Mickie James!



Third place (the smallest trophy) goes to... Molly Holly!



Sorry, Velvet. Fourth place gets no trophy.




Thanks for playing, everyone. It was a blast (in more than one definition of the word)! Let's do it again in 10 years...


williamssl - 9-3-2011 at 08:42 AM

Much grass, Sr. Matte.


mooseheadjack - 9-5-2011 at 06:37 PM

Thanks for the hard work Matte. The wrong person won, but that is not your fault.




Now, lets never speak of this again.


The Immolator - 9-5-2011 at 08:43 PM

Dump Matsumoto.


gobbledygooker - 9-23-2011 at 01:36 AM

I just now checked back in on this and thanks as well, Matte, for putting yourself through this hell. I feel like this thing became less fun when all the cheating, fake accounts, etc. came into play but it was a good time up until then.