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RUMOR CRAP 2018, Volume 4: The Un-Pre-Crappening
OORick - 11-12-2018 at 11:40 PM

[EDIT, 12/15/18: disregard comment about how we'd only make a tiny dent in a new Rumor Crap thread with 6 weeks to go in 2018. Instead of getting 150, maybe 200 posts, you bastards are on pace to hit 500 posts, which is by no means tiny. So I've re-un-branded this thead, and it is now the 4th and final Rumor Crap of 2018. We will begin 2019 in, you know? 2019. Thank you, drive through.]



We just couldn't restrain ourselves, and with a mere 6 weeks to go before the end of 2018, we maxxed out Part 3 of the 2018 Rumor Crap...

Rather than do a very tiny Part 4, let's just treat this like car manufacturers do: the new MODEL YEAR for Rumor Crap is officially here, and the 2019s are already on sale, babay! [Hey, it's not so far fetched; after Survivor Series, all major rumors and speculation will be in regards to the Rumble and the Road to WM.]

So, just to transfer over some of the last bits of Rumor Crap from the old thread:

* Braun Strowman may or may not be in the midst of a de-push for reasons that may or may not be related to (1) injury, (2) backstage heat, or (3) simple delay for his final victory to extend the Chase and make fans even more ravenous for the pay-off... if it's #3, he's still set to be the guy who unseats Lesnar; if it's the other 2, look for the massive push of Drew McIntyre to continue and possibly involve a face turn

* WWE is being tight lipped about the pectoral injury suffered by HHH in Saudi Arabia... a standard recovery time would be 4-6 months, which mean's HHH's WrestleMania is in jeopardy (and rumors are that he was gonna fight Batista at WM)... but John Cena once returned from the same injury in 3 months, so who knows? [it's expected that Batista wants to do his final run next year and not punt it for another year, so if HHH can't do it, assume Randy Orton in his place]

* Alexa Bliss is out indefinitely with lingering concussion issues

And a fun new tidbit:

* The Mixed Match Challenge now has ACTUAL STAKES.... the finals of the mixed-tag mini-series will take place at the TLC PPV, and as of today, the winning team will receive the pair of #30 entries into their respective Rumble matches... the existence of "super teams" like AJ/Charlotte and Miz/Asuka (and, to a lesser extent, Braun/Ember, which would have been Braun/Alexa if not for Bliss' injury) makes this a genuinely intriguing development... even more intriguing would be if the finals is granted either a T, L, or TLC gimmick...


Continue about your business of Crappening!

[Edited on 12-15-2018 by OORick]


First 9 - 11-13-2018 at 12:18 AM

So AJ Styles seems almost guaranteed to break Punk's record and become the longest reigning WWE Champion since Hogan.

I feel it's kind of weird there's been zero fanfare so far. No rumors about WWE holding it off until WM, no speculation about who'll end his Title reign, maybe just maybe having main event WM.


Count Zero - 11-13-2018 at 02:45 AM

...Whoa. So this is the future? I was hoping for something less... I dunno... less rumorcrappy, maybe?

(Sorry. I'm jus' bein' silleh. Continue along with the regularly scheduled crappenings.)


bigfatgoalie - 11-13-2018 at 07:19 PM

Here's a hot rumour that is drizzling in dumb, and I'm going to take an entire shaker of salt (and bottle of tequila) to take Dave Meltzer seriously on this one, but it's out there...

Apparently there is talk that Charlotte will INTENTIONALLY help Becky win on Sunday to setup the Horsewomen vs Horsewomen feud. Which will ofcourse lead to Charlotte vs Ronda at Mania.

If so...I guess Becky and Flair's blood feud was more of a spat.


First 9 - 11-13-2018 at 07:32 PM

Are the other two MMA four horsewomen ring-ready? Besides being Shayna's hanger ons, what else have they done?


Paddlefoot - 11-13-2018 at 07:49 PM

It's a great rumour. I still think that something conspicuous happened last night on RAW because to me it looked like Charlotte had instructed the SD roster to stay away from Sasha and Bayley when they went after the other RAW women - the IcOOnics wandered over to Bayley laid out on the mat but did nothing to her, and no one touched Sasha all crumpled up in the other corner of the ringside either. And S&B have no real reason right now to be loyal to RAW anyway given that petty stab in the back that Alexa pulled on them last night. Wheels are, like, in motion, and the men's side of the show could only wish that they're doing anything right now that's even half as compelling and fun as what they ladies are being allowed to do.


anglefan85 - 11-13-2018 at 07:53 PM

Per Sean Ross Sapp from Fightful.com on Twitter, he's been told by two sources that Becky vs. Ronda is OFF the Survivor Series card on Sunday due to Becky's broken nose and a black eye that she got during the closing segment, as well as possibly also a concussion. None of this is confirmed yet, though, and he also seemed to not even wanna post it due to how things of this nature can change.

God, I really hope this is just a rumor. Becky's on the biggest hot-streak of her career and this was one of the most-anticipated matches on the card.


[Edited on 11-13-2018 by anglefan85]


Paddlefoot - 11-13-2018 at 08:09 PM

Yeah, the other dirt sheets are covering it too now. What a bummer.


First 9 - 11-13-2018 at 08:28 PM

Best Case Scenario

Becky stays ring ready and they work this into her match so she can save some face if she loses to Ronda,

But realistically if she got concussed, she's probably be benched for a couple of weeks. Don't think it'd ruin her momentum but would still suck.


Paddlefoot - 11-13-2018 at 08:50 PM

Does Dwayne Johnson have any other particularly inept, lazy, and sloppy cousins out there in need of a push? This like seriously ruined my entire fucking day. #ThanksNia

[Edited on 11/13/2018 by Paddlefoot]


GodEatGod - 11-13-2018 at 08:50 PM

As much as it definitely sucks in the short term, taking away the marquee match from the PPV, it also leaves Becky/Ronda as an undone dream match for down the line that the company's already gotten people hyped for.

Becky could also cut an awesome promo implying that the company is intentionally sidelining her to protect their golden goose after Becky showed she can beat the hell out of her.

[Edited on 11-13-2018 by GodEatGod]


williamssl - 11-13-2018 at 09:00 PM

Fuck.

Going to Survivor Series and that was one I was really looking forward to.


anglefan85 - 11-13-2018 at 09:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
As much as it definitely sucks in the short term, taking away the marquee match from the PPV, it also leaves Becky/Ronda as an undone dream match for down the line that the company's already gotten people hyped for.

Becky could also cut an awesome promo implying that the company is intentionally sidelining her to protect their golden goose after Becky showed she can beat the hell out of her.

[Edited on 11-13-2018 by GodEatGod]


This would be the best course to take, similar to what happened when Austin broke his neck and he cut promos stating that he was fine and he wanted to fight, but the powers-that-be wouldn't clear him.


anglefan85 - 11-13-2018 at 09:23 PM

https://twitter.com/reverseiris/status/1062451952452198401

Alright, that wasn't an errant elbow as I was originally told, that was a straight-up strike. You can actually hear the connection. No idea if Becky accidentally stiffed Nia and that was Nia giving her a receipt, but that was a full swing, no pulling on it or anything. Nia looks like she knew what was doing.

[Edited on 11-13-2018 by anglefan85]


Paddlefoot - 11-13-2018 at 09:39 PM

What a fucking idiot. If Big Cass got in major shit for booting a midget around without permission (but at least not hurting the little guy) then Nia should get fucking suspended or something for possibly wrecking the hottest angle they've had since the rise of Daniel Bryan. That bitch is a fucking self-serving menace.

[Edited on 11/13/2018 by Paddlefoot]


anglefan85 - 11-13-2018 at 10:08 PM

Nia Jax has the reputation of being a sloppy worker for a good reason. Because she is sloppy. But if this was a legit intentional hit on Becky like it appears to be, and not just circumstances being circumstances, forget about sending her back to the Performance Center. Fire her, because there's no place for that shit on the main roster, with how easy it is to get seriously hurt even when everyone's being careful to work a safer style nowadays.

Regardless of reason for that strike, Becky's still one of the hottest acts in the WWE right now and now a major match between two of the WWE's golden girls is in serious jeopardy because of Nia. The whole idea is to protect your opponent, and if you can't do that and will intentionally try to hurt someone, you shouldn't be in the business.

[Edited on 11-13-2018 by anglefan85]


anglefan85 - 11-13-2018 at 10:39 PM

Welp:

https://pwinsider.com/article/121726/becky-lynch-off-survivor-series-ppv.html?p=1

quote:
If you were excited for Becky Lynch vs. Ronda Rousey this Sunday at the Survivor Series PPV, the match will not be taking place.

During last night's Raw closing fracas, Lynch suffered a broken nose and a concussion when she was struck with a hard right hand by Nia Jax that knocked Lynch to the mat. The strike was not broadcast on television last night. Lynch was evaluated by WWE doctors today and is not expected to be cleared by Sunday. The news was first reported by Fightful.com.

PWInsider.com has independently confirmed their report and is told that WWE is mulling over several possibilities for tonight's Smackdown taping, including a scenario where Lynch would quickly drop the title to someone else, who would then go on to face Rousey at the Survivor Series this Sunday. The timing of the injury is obviously terrible for not just the PPV but Lynch's current push.

The most natural choice would be Charlotte Flair, but that would mean the company is rushing through a potential Wrestlemania match. There have been pitches over the course of the afternoon for other potential names to face Rousey, but we have not heard there was a definitive choice made as of a half hour ago. Mandy Rose and one of the IIconics have also been tossed around as potential ideas for Rousey at the PPV.

WWE has not officially announced the injury and did not respond, as of this writing, to a PWInsider.com request for comment.


Gonna have to see which direction they take from here tonight, but it seems all but official now that we're not getting this match on Sunday. For fucks sake, Nia.


First 9 - 11-13-2018 at 11:02 PM

Women's division is having a string a bad luck. First the knock out kicks from Brie and now Nia flat out went for a stiff punch/forearm.


anglefan85 - 11-13-2018 at 11:05 PM

And like Rick says in the first post, Alexa is out for the foreseeable future due to concussions. So yeah, not a good run right now.


mistabinks - 11-13-2018 at 11:36 PM

Save Rousey vs Lynch for the main event of WM.


Count Zero - 11-13-2018 at 11:52 PM

Can we make Fia (Fiya?) Nia a chant that will happen? Pleeaaase? As stated above, there is no excuse for intentionally potatoeing somebody in this day & age, especially in the Biggest Pro-Wres.... Er... Sports Entertainment Company on the scene.


the goon - 11-14-2018 at 12:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
PWInsider.com has independently confirmed their report and is told that WWE is mulling over several possibilities for tonight's Smackdown taping, including a scenario where Lynch would quickly drop the title to someone else, who would then go on to face Rousey at the Survivor Series this Sunday.


The only reason Becky would need to drop the title tonight is if the WWE is deadset on doing the RAW women's champion vs the Smackdown women's champion at Survivor Series. But fuck, I hope it doesn't come down to that (not to mention Becky dropping the title in quick fashion would be completely shit on by the live crowd).

I think they should just scrap the whole thing and have Ronda come out and cut a traditional "my scheduled opponent wasn't cleared to wrestle, so this is an open challenge to anyone in the locker room" promo at Survivor Series. Hell, why not let Asuka come out and take Ronda to the limit before inevitably tapping out?


GodEatGod - 11-14-2018 at 12:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
And like Rick says in the first post, Alexa is out for the foreseeable future due to concussions. So yeah, not a good run right now.


My guess is that RAW loses the multi-man on Sunday, so Baron gets fired as GM and replaced with Alexa.


janerd75 - 11-14-2018 at 12:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
https://twitter.com/reverseiris/status/1062451952452198401

Alright, that wasn't an errant elbow as I was originally told, that was a straight-up strike. You can actually hear the connection. No idea if Becky accidentally stiffed Nia and that was Nia giving her a receipt, but that was a full swing, no pulling on it or anything. Nia looks like she knew what was doing.



Yeah, holy shit by the description I was expecting just an errant jab but that was a full on Samoan chubtard strength, proper hip-swivel with follow through fucking Hawaiian PUNCH. I get that it's just a blurry snippet but it looks like Nia totally lost her composure and forgot that she's not fighting for real.

Obvious speculation here, but maybe Roman being there and the Rock cousin angle kept her protected somewhat, but with the former now gone and the latter not really involved anymore and that Paige movie long in the can, it's probably a good time for them to part ways with Nia. There's far more talented big girls out there on the horizon and, IIRC, some at the performance center now to keep risking the other gal's safety to let shit like this keep happening. And now it's cost them Rousey/Lynch. What happens when Nia gets a hold of Sasha one day, who's known for taking sloppy risks herself on occasion, and Nia sloppy-tosses her over the ropes in a way that Sasha gets spiked into the floor head first?

I wonder if they could do an injury angle tonight and have Ronda's 4 Horsewomen tune Becky up? Problem is, a lot of folks don't know who Jessamyn Duke or Marina Shafir are. Other than the latter being married to Rodderick Strong and the former having some, uh, interesting internet pics floating out there.

I guess Charlotte could do the deed to take Bex out, for reasons!, and they could punt the reformation of HER 4 Horsewomen until closer to WM?

And if Bex truly can't go and they need Lady Champeen vs. Lady Champeen, then why not go with Ronda vs. Shayna? Problem Is 2: No Good Answer Boogaloo, Shayna would be pulling double duty with her 2 out of 3 falls match happening the night before at Wargames.

What a danged pickle.

[Edited on 11-14-2018 by janerd75]


bigfatgoalie - 11-14-2018 at 12:55 AM

You know who would be a good pick IF the WWE has to take the title off Becky for stupid reasons? Asuka.

It'd rebuild Asuka and you could do it in a way that borrows off Becky's sympathetic nature / makes Asuka a heel. Hell, use MizTV to set it up and have Miz distract Becks to give his MMC partner the gold.

Better yet...

Just keep the title on Becky. If she's not cleared in a couple of weeks or closer to TLC, than take the title off her. But doing so to have a meaningless Champ vs Champ match is pointless.


CVD39 - 11-14-2018 at 01:09 AM

Why canít they just say Becky hyperextended Rouseyís arm and not play into Becky not being cleared? That way The Man loses no heat and Rousey wouldnít lose any either? Push the match out to the Rumble?


Paddlefoot - 11-14-2018 at 01:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
Yeah, holy shit by the description I was expecting just an errant jab but that was a full on Samoan chubtard strength, proper hip-swivel with follow through fucking Hawaiian PUNCH. I get that it's just a blurry snippet but it looks like Nia totally lost her composure and forgot that she's not fighting for real.

Obvious speculation here, but maybe Roman being there and the Rock cousin angle kept her protected somewhat, but with the former now gone and the latter not really involved anymore and that Paige movie long in the can, it's probably a good time for them to part ways with Nia. There's far more talented big girls out there on the horizon and, IIRC, some at the performance center now to keep risking the other gal's safety to let shit like this keep happening. And now it's cost them Rousey/Lynch. What happens when Nia gets a hold of Sasha one day, who's known for taking sloppy risks herself on occasion, and Nia sloppy-tosses her over the ropes in a way that Sasha gets spiked into the floor head first?


Agree 100%. In her couple of years on the roster Nia's hurt Bayley, Emma, a jobber, Zelina Vega, and now Becky. And she also nearly got Charlotte killed by botching the catch on a springboard off the turnbuckle. Last night's one can't be pushed aside. Not just because it fucked up SummerSlam but because it showed what I've been saying for a while, that Nia's got some sort of fucking issue that's causing these injuries to others to keep happening. She's either inept, doesn't care, or thinks she's so protected by being Rock's cousin that she can do what she wants and get away with it. Last night might not have been pre-planned the way JBL belting Blue Meanie certainly was. But it shows that Nia's got one fuck of a temper problem. If she snapped or just couldn't wait to deal with it backstage if Becky had stiffed her makes no difference. It's the same damn result, with the most looked forward to match at a major PPV being destroyed thanks to what appears to be no more than a temper tantrum.

So, yeah, I'd gas her too and ASAP. They can't be getting that much value out of Rock showing up to do something at Mania every second year to justify keeping around one of his relations who's dangerous to the other kids on the playground.


janerd75 - 11-14-2018 at 01:32 AM

Just to play Devil's Advocate a bit, but maybe Nia got the reverse problem that CM Punk had in MMA. He spent his whole career infusing his synapses with repetitive training on how NOT to hurt an opponent and he was just way too late in the game to overwrite all that muscle memory and mental conditioning to be effective in a real fight. Going the other way, Nia may just be a natural brawler/fighter and she just doesn't have the ability to show restraint or at that last moment pull her punches.

Or or, and hear me out here, she's just fucking sloppy and has to go back to the Performance Center or be a greeter down the street at the Polynesian Resort at Disney World in Orlando.


DevilSoprano - 11-14-2018 at 01:37 AM

There is ZERO reason to take the title off Becky even if she was out 4 months. Brock has defended his title like twice in the 17 years he's held it. And Becky is way better at every aspect of wrestling than Brock is and would actually show up even if she was injured. Brock can't be bothered to show up unless there's 7 figures coming his way.


G. Jonah Jameson - 11-14-2018 at 02:16 AM

Nia Jax very definitely has a problem with hurting people, and she absolutely deserves to get in some scalding hot water after wrecking the Ronda Rousey-Becky Lynch match with that haymaker. But I don't know if this graduates from "sloppy" to "malicious." Worked punches turn into all-too-real punches all the time. I'm thinking specifically of Victoria, who was generally regarded as a good worker who didn't take liberties, breaking Beth Phoenix's jaw with an errant punch in Beth's debut match.


GodEatGod - 11-14-2018 at 04:44 AM

It's hard to argue that she shouldn't have been more careful with her blows in a meaningless schmozz in which she was, at best, a tertiary player, especially when that errant shot injured the main person the angle actually was about. I don't think it was malicious, but she definitely fucked up.


CVD39 - 11-14-2018 at 08:24 AM

If I want to watch The Marine 6, should I watch the previous 5 to catch up? Will I be lost if I donít?


Paddlefoot - 11-14-2018 at 05:41 PM

Whatever is was, accident or deliberate, it's exploded on Twitter today. Nia posted a picture of her scarred fist with some "how did it feel comment", Rousey got in on it with some taunts And then Becky shot back openly calling it a sucker punch and calling Nia a bitch. Got the feeling, right now anyway with emotions at their peak, that this all could be fucking real and that Nia's due for a big payback coming up soon. The pattern of injuries and almost-injuries she caused was bad enough but nuking Becky like that has to be the final straw. And if WWE won't do anything about it because Nia is hiding behind The Rock's political stroke as a shield to not bother improving and to get away with doing shitty things, and on top of it for Nia being dumb enough to double-down on it with idiotic remarks on Twitter, then the other women are probably going to take care of it themselves. And they have to because the ignorant cow is going to cripple or kill someone in the ring someday if this keeps happening with her. That she's due for another title shot from the win at Evolution, in the same spot where she injured Zelina (who's about one-quarter of her size) has to be especially galling right now to the rest of the women's roster.

And the audience too at SS is going to be livid. There'll have to be a new level of heat coming up, Nia Jax heat because that is going to be real genuine hatred she's going to catch from the crowds going forward. It'll blot out old things like X-Pac heat, Roman Reigns heat, or Freddie Blassie heat the way a supernova blots out a regular sun. The fans are gonna be on her like a pit bull on a poodle and there's no credible way for anyone to say that she doesn't deserve it.

And here's how fucking stupid some of the fans are going in the other direction. At the brawl on RAW Lana obviously whiffed some punches on Dana Brooke at ringside. The usual internet assholes gave her shit about it and she had to point out to the savages that Dana had Becky's blood all over her which made Lana lay off because she didn't know at that point in time if Dana was the one that got hurt. Something, as she put it, about not being a total twat by going full force on someone when the moment was in total chaos and no one knew what was going on.

I gotta admit that I'm so pissed off about what happened that I'm not thinking straight about it anymore. I'm actually at the point where I'm hoping that Nia gets punished by being put in a 20-second squash where Rousey breaks her fucking arm for real, or that if she's released she ends up in a shit promotion somewhere and runs into a nut like Sexy Star who ends her career on her.And I've never wished that kind of harm on any wrestler before no matter how looped into a feud I ever got by the kayfabe. FUCK!

[Edited on 11/14/2018 by Paddlefoot]


G-Spot - 11-14-2018 at 05:45 PM

Hey...we donít deliver mail, things happen. Is anyone gonna ask me about how my fist feels? pic.twitter.com/RjRVcVWTEQ

— Lina Fanene (@NiaJaxWWE) November 14, 2018




You gave me your best sucker punch, but I got back up to destroy your whole roster. They wonít let me fight, but Iíll get back up from that too. Itís what I do. So enjoy your one free shot, because as bad as my memory is now, I havenít forgotten you, bitch. https://t.co/4dZW4hCmaf

— The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) November 14, 2018


G-Spot - 11-14-2018 at 05:50 PM

Ronda Rousey Instagram response...

quote:
ďIím really sorry to hear The Millennial Man will not be showing up for her legally arranged ass whooping on November 18th at the Staples Center.Ē
ďUnfortunately, now everyone knows if someone hauls off and punches you for real, your face implodes. I suggest you keep practicing your tough guys faces in the mirror, should be very effective physical therapy.Ē

ďAnd have fun watching Korean soap operas on Netflix or whatever the hell the Millennial Man does with her free time. Donít worry Iím not the backstabbing cheap shotting ambushing cowardly type, so youíre perfectly safe to take your time and heal up until your figurative balls have dropped and youíre finally ready to for your comeuppance. I want you 100% healed up, prepared, and looking me in the eye when the bell rings. Lemmie know when youíre done healing your boo-boos and ready for me to serve you your ass on a silver platter with your avocado toast.Ē

ďI do have to admit, The Millennial Man is stunningly conniving. She poked the bear and ran like a bat outta hell when the bear awoke Ė Feeding me her favorite frienemy and fellow #FAUXhorsewoman. Charlotte Flair is a new level of manipulative cowardice, even for The Millennial Man. Charlotte is a Superfight and Iíve always wanted to fight her Ė but sheís just the stand in for the beating Beck Lynch has coming to her this Sunday. Iíll be sending The Champ a choice piece of Charlotte as a souvenir.Ē


CamstunPWG187 - 11-14-2018 at 05:58 PM

Hmm, I have a feeling that wonít be met with cheers.

Unless rousey is turning heel, thatís not how I would have orchestrated her response.


anglefan85 - 11-14-2018 at 05:59 PM

If WWE cleared it with Nia and Becky didn't to send that tweet, then WWE are assholes and Nia is too, neither of which would be entirely surprising. So she clearly won't be getting reprimanded for it, even though she should be.

If both WWE and Becky cleared it, though, I've got no issue because that suggests there's no hard feelings and you could build this to an angle, make the best out of a bad situation. Its what happened in the past with Owen and AJ breaking Austin's and Yoshi-Tatsu's necks, and both of them using an accidental botch as means to gain heat on themselves.


[Edited on 11-14-2018 by anglefan85]


Paddlefoot - 11-14-2018 at 06:22 PM

Charlotte/Rousey ending in a schmozz is how that match will probably end because they can't let Flair look weak going into RR and Mania. After this week's RAW it's really now accelerated the need to the 4HW union to take place. Sasha & Bayley have nothing else on the boil at Survivor Series, unless they do something to cause the RAW women's team to lose as revenge on Alexa, so the best thing they could do with them is have them interfere in the Rousey match. Take it to the point where Rousey is about to beat Charlotte, S&B attack her, the match is thrown out, and after a few seconds of indecision all three women start laying the boots to Ronda in classic heel stable style. All three of them are instantaneously moved into the tweener territory Becky's been in since SummerSlam and the audience is completely ecstatic at what's coming down the road for the women's roster. After that all they have to do is finagle some kind of trade to get S&B to SD or Flair & Lynch to RAW, or even just have them as a gang that crosses both brands at will, and the basic groundwork is put into place. If they emphasize to her that there's no point in being a good guy anymore, not after what Alexa and the RAW team did to her this week, then finally doing that quasi-villain turn so Bayley is no longer be some kind of an aw-shucks sucker shouldn't be all that difficult either.

[Edited on 11/14/2018 by Paddlefoot]


First 9 - 11-14-2018 at 06:39 PM

Charlotte's story right now is her doubting herself so a lost to Rousey wouldn't really hurt her if they play into that.


DKBroiler - 11-14-2018 at 06:59 PM

Rumor: itís not a good idea to read Survivor Series previews before youíve finished watching Raw and Smackdown.

Rumor confirmed.


CVD39 - 11-14-2018 at 07:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Charlotte/Rousey ending in a schmozz is how that match will probably end because they can't let Flair look weak going into RR and Mania. After this week's RAW it's really now accelerated the need to the 4HW union to take place. Sasha & Bayley have nothing else on the boil at Survivor Series, unless they do something to cause the RAW women's team to lose as revenge on Alexa, so the best thing they could do with them is have them interfere in the Rousey match. Take it to the point where Rousey is about to beat Charlotte, S&B attack her, the match is thrown out, and after a few seconds of indecision all three women start laying the boots to Ronda in classic heel stable style. All three of them are instantaneously moved into the tweener territory Becky's been in since SummerSlam and the audience is completely ecstatic at what's coming down the road for the women's roster. After that all they have to do is finagle some kind of trade to get S&B to SD or Flair & Lynch to RAW, or even just have them as a gang that crosses both brands at will, and the basic groundwork is put into place. If they emphasize to her that there's no point in being a good guy anymore, not after what Alexa and the RAW team did to her this week, then finally doing that quasi-villain turn so Bayley is no longer be some kind of an aw-shucks sucker shouldn't be all that difficult either.

[Edited on 11/14/2018 by Paddlefoot]


To expound in that, have Baszler lose on the NXT PPV on graduate her to Raw and have those other two MMA chicks come out to help Rousey. Becky can be there calling the shots. If Nia comes out, someone can chair her up or some other dastardly deed (if she doesnít get whatís coming to her during her SS match).



And cross brand shenanagins would be great.


janerd75 - 11-14-2018 at 08:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

Canadienne rage !!!!!

And if WWE won't do anything about it because Nia is hiding behind The Rock's political stroke as a shield to not bother improving and to get away with doing shitty things, and on top of it for Nia being dumb enough to double-down on it with idiotic remarks on Twitter, then the other women are probably going to take care of it themselves.

Even MOAR Canadienne rage !!!!!




Paddy, you've blown the transaxle! You're just grinding metal! C'mon ease down...ease down...ease down.........ease down.............. GLLY!

As to your solution, though...


DKBroiler - 11-14-2018 at 09:20 PM

So ... are we just not talking about Smackdown and the (redacted) Champion now being (redacted)?


Paddlefoot - 11-14-2018 at 09:21 PM

If only. Probably had the "anyone takes a shot at Nia they get fired" warning given to the locker-room already though. Leave her alone or we'll tell on you to Cousin Dwayne!

Other than that, Golly!

Ronnie, TL/DR. When I got my face broke I got up, owned you THEN showed up the next day looking to fight some more. When you got your face broke you hid for a year under your blankie. Your mind is as weak as your jaw, & Iím going to move heaven & earth to come destroy them both. https://t.co/8oDubzNYr4

— The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) November 14, 2018


DKBroiler - 11-14-2018 at 09:35 PM

Rumor: any rumors posted about dirt sheets saying that Daniel Bryan has backstage heat are garbage.

Rumor confirmed.

Side rumor: glad to see Braunís backstage heat resulted in a depush where he was only allowed to beat up the whole tag division and get a future title shot. #burried


anglefan85 - 11-14-2018 at 09:35 PM

Rhonda's gotta knock it off with this millennial bullshit. First off, she's the same age as Becky, with a difference of only a few days. And secondly, if you're trying to talk shit, you need to do a lot better than that to compete with Becky, who in that tweet pretty much did the verbal equivalent of what Holly Holm did to Ronda.


EDIT: And today is the 3rd anniversary of Holm knocking out Ronda, so even more fitting.


[Edited on 11-14-2018 by anglefan85]


punkerhardcore - 11-14-2018 at 09:52 PM

It's nothing to do with their ages. Becky calls herself The Man now, and Ronda is saying she's more like a millennial man. Basically, she's just calling her a pussy.

I can't wait for Becky to just come back with, "suck my giant dick."

[Edited on 11-14-2018 by punkerhardcore]


Paddlefoot - 11-14-2018 at 11:38 PM

Then Rhonda will send a picture of Pajama Boy captioned "this is you!" to Lynch, and Becky will retaliate with a gif of Rousey losing to Holly Holm. And then it's on, AWWWW YEEEAAAAAHHH!, in a never-ending spiral of classic The OC vs the South Park Diggitties "you got served!".


Cherokee Jack - 11-15-2018 at 12:08 AM

Yeah the ďmillennial manĒ thing is kind of nonsensical and lame, but if they can keep this building, do a Horsewomen match at some point with minimal Ronda/Becky interaction, maybe have Ronda cause Becky to lose the SD womenís title to someone (Baszler?) along the way only for her to enter the womenís rumble and win a shot at the champ of her choosing...well, we may have found a womenís match that could main event Mania.


OORick - 11-15-2018 at 12:19 AM

Yeah, I also don't get what adding millennial-ism to the mix is supposed to be accomplishing, either.

I mean, I DO. Millennials have many terrible traits, if you're into stereotyping. But the stereotypes I'm thinking of have nothing to do with Becky, so..... where's Ronda coming from there?

I will say this, though.... as the Horsewomen vs. Horsewomen thing gets more and more real, I can't really turn my nose up at the label "Faux Horsewomen" that emerged out of today's otherwise dumb and pointless twitter battle.


Slade - 11-15-2018 at 01:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Whatever is was, accident or deliberate, it's exploded on Twitter today. Nia posted a picture of her scarred fist with some "how did it feel comment", Rousey got in on it with some taunts And then Becky shot back openly calling it a sucker punch and calling Nia a bitch. Got the feeling, right now anyway with emotions at their peak, that this all could be fucking real and that Nia's due for a big payback coming up soon.


I think they're all acting like consummate professionals. In other words, they're taking something that happened inside the ring, regardless of whether it was accidental or deliberate, and using it to get heat. And judging by your reaction and the reactions of many others, the work is working.


CVD39 - 11-15-2018 at 02:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
If only. Probably had the "anyone takes a shot at Nia they get fired" warning given to the locker-room already though. Leave her alone or we'll tell on you to Cousin Dwayne!

Other than that, Golly!

Ronnie, TL/DR. When I got my face broke I got up, owned you THEN showed up the next day looking to fight some more. When you got your face broke you hid for a year under your blankie. Your mind is as weak as your jaw, & Iím going to move heaven & earth to come destroy them both. https://t.co/8oDubzNYr4

— The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) November 14, 2018





God damn. Iíve always liked Becky....but I think I now love her. God damn.


quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
It's nothing to do with their ages. Becky calls herself The Man now, and Ronda is saying she's more like a millennial man. Basically, she's just calling her a pussy.

I can't wait for Becky to just come back with, "suck my giant dick."

[Edited on 11-14-2018 by punkerhardcore]


Some friends of ours were hanging out one day and my wife said she wished she was a guy just so she could go around telling people to ďsuck my dickĒ anytime someone was rude or wrong about something. Iíve seen her point to her crotch and say ďSUCK (points again) MY (points again) DICKĒ about 100 times. Love her, too.


Count Zero - 11-15-2018 at 04:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Rhonda's gotta knock it off with this millennial bullshit. First off, she's the same age as Becky, with a difference of only a few days. And secondly, if you're trying to talk shit, you need to do a lot better than that to compete with Becky, who in that tweet pretty much did the verbal equivalent of what Holly Holm did to Ronda.


EDIT: And today is the 3rd anniversary of Holm knocking out Ronda, so even more fitting.


[Edited on 11-14-2018 by anglefan85]
Like, yeah, I was going to ask what the fuck Rowdy Rousey is actually the fuck doing slinging around "millenial", when she got her streak broken and went into BOO HOO I HATE EVERYTHING I WANT TO KMS mode. If anybody's "millenial", it's her.

ETA: Oh, I see The Bex Brawler already played that card. Noice, as the kids say. And also #rekt. I've seen the kids saying that one too.

[Edited on 11-15-2018 by Count Zero]


salmonjunkie - 11-15-2018 at 04:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Whatever is was, accident or deliberate, it's exploded on Twitter today. Nia posted a picture of her scarred fist with some "how did it feel comment", Rousey got in on it with some taunts And then Becky shot back openly calling it a sucker punch and calling Nia a bitch. Got the feeling, right now anyway with emotions at their peak, that this all could be fucking real and that Nia's due for a big payback coming up soon.


I think they're all acting like consummate professionals. In other words, they're taking something that happened inside the ring, regardless of whether it was accidental or deliberate, and using it to get heat. And judging by your reaction and the reactions of many others, the work is working.


Are you saying Paddlefoot is a mark?


Paddlefoot - 11-15-2018 at 04:51 AM

It's because I care, dammit!


shashwat mishra - 11-15-2018 at 08:32 AM

Asuka can now turn heel costing Charlotte the match and getting some momentum. That way Charlotte doesn't get back to back clean losses and Rousey gets her win.

[Edited on 11-15-2018 by shashwat mishra]


bigfatgoalie - 11-15-2018 at 02:57 PM

So new rumour of the day....

Becky vs Ronda is now likely to headline Mania.

So Iím guessing Becky causes Ronda to lose to Flair, Ronda costs Becky her title, Becky wins the Rumble... and nobody will bitch if Becks loses because thatíd just be stupid.


First 9 - 11-15-2018 at 05:15 PM

Holy shit, to go from the forgettable wm pre-show battle royal to main eventing WM would be amazing.

And it would be completely deserved.Ronda is second only to Lesnar and Cena in terms of being a mainstream attraction and Becky is getting the best reactions out of all the full timers, so if their feud stays just as white hot when Becky returns it should main event WM.


GodEatGod - 11-15-2018 at 06:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Rumor: any rumors posted about dirt sheets saying that Daniel Bryan has backstage heat are garbage.



I saw a guy on Twitter claim that Bryan winning the belt was a 'punishment' so that he could be humiliated by Brock Lesnar.

I wish I got punished by winning world titles.


DKBroiler - 11-15-2018 at 08:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Rumor: any rumors posted about dirt sheets saying that Daniel Bryan has backstage heat are garbage.



I saw a guy on Twitter claim that Bryan winning the belt was a 'punishment' so that he could be humiliated by Brock Lesnar.

I wish I got punished by winning world titles.


Hopefully!

Maybe youíll get punished with a raise in pay as well! Oh the humanity!!!


bigfatgoalie - 11-15-2018 at 09:03 PM

Apparently Bryan got the title because his new contract is that of a main eventer, and Vince didnít want Bryan fucking around in the mid card.

Bryan turned because he fucking wanted to.

And is getting no ill will for saying fuck no to the 2nd Saudi show.

So in conclusion....backstage Bryan Danielson in 2018 must bring a tear to the eye of one Michael Hickenbottom.


DKBroiler - 11-15-2018 at 10:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Apparently Bryan got the title because his new contract is that of a main eventer, and Vince didnít want Bryan fucking around in the mid card.

Bryan turned because he fucking wanted to.

And is getting no ill will for saying fuck no to the 2nd Saudi show.

So in conclusion....backstage Bryan Danielson in 2018 must bring a tear to the eye of one Michael Hickenbottom.


Itís still the same story as always. Vince loves money. Vince loves people who make him money. If you make Vince money he will bend over backwards to allow you to make him money. If you want Vince to push you more just spend 2 years making him enough money where one day it dawns upon him that youíre the reason heís making money and youíll get anything you want.

Itís the same as it ever was except that the biggest cash cows at this exact moment are a chick we all love, the best underdog theyíve ever had and the scariest man and woman on Earth. There will always be big names getting their way and if some talent doesnít like it the only way to do anything about it is to make Vince a bunch of money.

Once upon a time Hogan kept young guys down, then it was HBK and friends, then it was Cena, and then Roman. Itís a cycle that never stops except when people bitch their way out of town before it dawns on Vince how much money they are making. If CM Punk never quit by now he would have been a 10 time champion and would have been able to get away with backstage murder. He was just too busy bitching about invisible brass rings to notice he was about a millimeter away from the Golden Goose.


the goon - 11-15-2018 at 11:38 PM

So if Becky getting pulled from Survivor Series leads to her headlining WrestleMania with Ronda, can we say that her getting punched in the face by Nia Jax is the best thing to ever happen to her?


bigfatgoalie - 11-16-2018 at 12:07 AM

No...the restraining order against Roy is still the best thing to ever happen to her.


Flash - 11-16-2018 at 01:26 AM

Firstly; sick burn BFG... Kudos

Secondly...

Not for nothing but I've always wondered why a talent signing a new contract would be a bigger deal to Vince other than he's got them locked in?

Aren't most WWE contracts kind of unlimited earning potential ones anyway? Ie Downside versus a cut of everything we stick your name on, or you appear in... hence why most guys/gals beat their downsides for the most part, and you gotta figure a guy like Bryan was probably taking home some pretty healthy cheques.

I get it from the talents POV; probably a bigger downside as insurance, maybe a few stips in there about travel, or dates/time off, or a bigger cut of merch... but from Vince's POV on a guy like Bryan he likely knows his upside or what he can expect to make off him... with a new contract he's likely paying him more now... which I can see a certain logic to wanting to get your money out of the expensive guy and see if you can get a few bucks more out of him.

Am I missing something?


G. Jonah Jameson - 11-16-2018 at 01:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Holy shit, to go from the forgettable wm pre-show battle royal to main eventing WM would be amazing.



And largely without precedent, too. There've been people who've main-evented Wrestlemania after having not competed the previous year -- most recently Batista at Wrestlemania 30 -- but no one has gone from pre-show to main event in one year. The closest I can come up with is the Miz, who was in the opener of Wrestlemania 26 before main-eventing Wrestlemania 27, but even then he was both Unified Tag and United States champion at 26, so he clearly had more of a push than Becky Lynch did at Wrestlemania 34.

I guess maybe Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins at Wrestlemania 31, after having that two-minute Shield squash of corporate Kane and the New Age Outlaws at 30, but even then, that was midway through the show.


Paddlefoot - 11-16-2018 at 01:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
No...the restraining order against Roy is still the best thing to ever happen to her.


My god, there aren't enough gollys in the world for this one.

POTY nominated.

* also, two-legged one-man herpes epidemic, aka Enzo Amore, booted off of plane flight for refusing to stop vaping

http://www.ringsidenews.com/2018/11/15/video-footage-enzo-amore-getting-kicked-off-airplane/

Unfortunately the plane was not in flight over the ocean, the jagged part of the mountains, or a sea of desert cactus when Enzo got kicked out


[Edited on 11/16/2018 by Paddlefoot]


CCharger - 11-16-2018 at 01:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
No...the restraining order against Roy is still the best thing to ever happen to her.

The restraining order Rick got against Roy is the best thing to ever happen to these bOOards.


CVD39 - 11-16-2018 at 08:57 AM

I donít tweet or Instagram or Iíd look it up but did Rousey ever respond to that blanket comment from Becky?


Slade - 11-16-2018 at 04:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Are you saying Paddlefoot is a mark?


Yeah, that was pretty much what I was getting at. And I'm glad he's taking it like a champ!


anglefan85 - 11-16-2018 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
No...the restraining order against Roy is still the best thing to ever happen to her.


My god, there aren't enough gollys in the world for this one.

POTY nominated.

* also, two-legged one-man herpes epidemic, aka Enzo Amore, booted off of plane flight for refusing to stop vaping

http://www.ringsidenews.com/2018/11/15/video-footage-enzo-amore-getting-kicked-off-airplane/

Unfortunately the plane was not in flight over the ocean, the jagged part of the mountains, or a sea of desert cactus when Enzo got kicked out



So just like his rap career, he wasn't able to take off.

Then again, I'd be more surprised if he didn't do this. Probably thought it'd make him look cool. After all, this is the same guy who decided that this was a good look.



[Edited on 11-16-2018 by anglefan85]


Paddlefoot - 11-16-2018 at 07:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Are you saying Paddlefoot is a mark?


Yeah, that was pretty much what I was getting at. And I'm glad he's taking it like a champ!


Admittedly true. I've even been making shitty comments at Nia Jax and WWE on Twitter because of what happened. I get like this when someone/something special comes along and in an instant the WWE landscape changed. As with Becky right now so it was too for me with the same intensity for Austin, Rock, Eddie, and a bunch of others who became the super-elite of performers.

* also, dumb-fuck Nia Jax managed to bollux up a second big WWE event by breaking Becky Lynch's face - there was going to be a cage match at Starrcade '19 on Nov 24 between Becky and Charlotte that's also now a no-go



[Edited on 11/16/2018 by Paddlefoot]


G-Spot - 11-16-2018 at 09:38 PM

James Ellsworth is in trouble as an underage girl has accused him of sending her nude selfies of himself. Some unidentified female wrestler(s) have now stated he's been trouble in the locker rooms lately as well. He is married with kid(s).


Guess this will be one we have to wait to see how it plays out.

http://www.ringsidenews.com/


anglefan85 - 11-17-2018 at 12:48 AM

Any man with two hands is chinnocent until proven guilty.


CCharger - 11-17-2018 at 01:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Any man with two hands is chinnocent until proven guilty.

Jesus.

POTFY


janerd75 - 11-17-2018 at 02:43 AM

Holy hell WWE is lucky Ellsworth wasn't employed by them at the time, even though they're definitely gonna catch collateral damage from this (even though they shouldn't). Unlike Enzo's fuckery which almost royally fucked the anniversary RAM but turned out more in his favor-ish once he was cleared, this looks pretty legit that Jimmy needs whatever remains of his chin to be pushed up into his skull with a tire iron.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/9xpbp2/developing_story_james_ellsworth_reportedly_sends/


CCharger - 11-17-2018 at 02:59 AM

Yeah. Sheís got all the receipts. Unless this is some really elaborate hoax, heís really fucked.


janerd75 - 11-17-2018 at 03:06 AM

Ohhhh... he will be... he will be...


the goon - 11-17-2018 at 03:14 AM

Let's be honest, if there was a "wrestler who looks the most likely to send nudes to an underage girl" contest, James Elsworth would be the winner. With Enzo being a close second.


williamssl - 11-17-2018 at 03:48 AM

Orton is too 5. Not gonna debate placement within


the goon - 11-17-2018 at 04:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Orton is too 5. Not gonna debate placement within


I think Jim Cornette has third place on lock, so the best Orton could hope for is fourth.


Flash - 11-17-2018 at 05:55 AM

Enzo's new look makes him look like a gay serial killer.

I'm not slagging, but he looks like the gay serial killer from the movie Copycat dialed up to 11.

https://goo.gl/images/Uf3V2T

*okay apparently embedding any kind of pic of video sucks for me... buttons won't work, code won't work... oh well.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by Flash]


bopol - 11-17-2018 at 05:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Orton is too 5. Not gonna debate placement within


I think Jim Cornette has third place on lock, so the best Orton could hope for is fourth.


Can't see Cornette at all on this sort of list. He's more the type to make news for anger issues than sexual issues, like he's done in the past.



[Edited on 11-17-2018 by bopol]


Flash - 11-17-2018 at 07:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
Let's be honest, if there was a "wrestler who looks the most likely to send nudes to an underage girl" contest, James Elsworth would be the winner. With Enzo being a close second.


I don't know; I think those somewhat sweaty looking and smiling pics of Lawler stay at the top of the list.

So do we have our next Ultimate Showdown: Most likely to end up talking to Chris Hansen edition?


janerd75 - 11-17-2018 at 07:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash

So do we have our next Ultimate Showdown: Most likely to end up talking to Chris Hansen edition?


Game over, man. Game over.


Katie Vick killer - 11-17-2018 at 08:14 AM

Excuse my ignorance, but who is that?


janerd75 - 11-17-2018 at 09:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Katie Vick killer
Excuse my ignorance, but who is that?


That would be one Rock n' Roll Buck Zumhofe. He's a convicted pederast and the reason WWE will have to do some creative editing for HHH's eventual career retrospecticus video packages on the Network once he hangs it up for good and goes in the HoF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Zumhofe



That ring attire of his is just... wow. And bear in mind he served time in prison for kiddie diddlery a few years before this match took place.


Planet Starbucks - 11-17-2018 at 10:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
As with Becky right now so it was too for me with the same intensity for Austin, Rock, Eddie, and a bunch of others who became the super-elite of performers.




Really? Becky Lynch is a super-elite performer in the same vein as some of the biggest legends ever to step in to a WWE ring? I get that she's riding a big wave of momentum at the moment, and it's nice to see them actually responding to crowd reactions for once, but this almost cult like worship is getting ridiculous.


CVD39 - 11-17-2018 at 11:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by Katie Vick killer
Excuse my ignorance, but who is that?


That would be one Rock n' Roll Buck Zumhofe. He's a convicted pederast and the reason WWE will have to do some creative editing for HHH's eventual career retrospecticus video packages on the Network once he hangs it up for good and goes in the HoF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Zumhofe



That ring attire of his is just... wow. And bear in mind he served time in prison for kiddie diddlery a few years before this match took place.



HHHís first finisher was a Diamond Cutter? Also, man, I miss Gorilla.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by CVD39]


anglefan85 - 11-17-2018 at 03:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
Let's be honest, if there was a "wrestler who looks the most likely to send nudes to an underage girl" contest, James Elsworth would be the winner. With Enzo being a close second.


At least when Enzo sends someone a picture of a dick, itís just a selfie of himself.

But on the more serious side, there's an update, and...fuck. Just....fucking hell.

nodq.com/news/544440867.shtml

The minor has videos that Ellsworth allegedly sent her. Warning: itís very graphic and NSFW.

Ellsworthís life and career, regardless the outcome, they're destroyed. Heís poison now. His indy fed, Adrenaline Championship Wrestling, that's gotta be done now as well since nobody's gonna be taking bookings or buying tickets to his shows.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by anglefan85]


Matte - 11-17-2018 at 04:04 PM

So David Arquette just wrestled a death match vs. Nick Gage and accidentally got his neck sliced with a florescent light tube.



Here's the entire end sequence, where he exits the ring looking for medical before deciding to head back in and try to wrap the match up:





And the spot where his neck gets punctured:

https://twitter.com/Stauffy/status/1063690670446043136

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by Matte]


Paddlefoot - 11-17-2018 at 05:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Planet Starbucks
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
As with Becky right now so it was too for me with the same intensity for Austin, Rock, Eddie, and a bunch of others who became the super-elite of performers.




Really? Becky Lynch is a super-elite performer in the same vein as some of the biggest legends ever to step in to a WWE ring? I get that she's riding a big wave of momentum at the moment, and it's nice to see them actually responding to crowd reactions for once, but this almost cult like worship is getting ridiculous.


Explain to me why I'm wrong instead of me, for the umpteenth time, trying to explain to others why I see it this way.

After this I can't understand why you're NOT seeing it the same way - Big Show gives Becks major compliment about getting up and continuing on RAW after the sucker punch that would have kept "tougher" guys down, Lynch responds with epic comeback:

Getting goosebumps from my face lumps. Hey, @WWETheBigShow see can you pull some strings to get The Man out of doctor jail. Iím down in the supermarket picking fights with randos just to feel alive.

— The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) November 17, 2018



Beating up strangers just because she's bored? If this isn't Austin/Rock levels of sass then none of us were watching the same Austin/Rock back in the glory days either.



[Edited on 11/17/2018 by Paddlefoot]


denverpunk - 11-17-2018 at 06:12 PM

Iíll bet Cam is breathing a massive sigh of relief that Ellsworth decided to bail on their match. Nobody wants that literal and metaphorical hepatitis on him.


Paddlefoot - 11-17-2018 at 06:16 PM

* Jim Ross took a bad fall on some concrete the other day and badly injured his face. He's got tons of bruising and scabs on his face as testament to the damage he took. In true classic ECW Original fashion, Sabu chimed in and said he hoped JR had died instead.

Was Sabu like this back in the old days? I know he was always eccentric but didn't think he was such a literal New Jack-grade of cunt as he's been showing the last year with his comments on Lawler, Brian Christopher, and now JR.

* James Ellsworth has also been dumped from an appearance at Survivor Series that he'd been booked for - wondering if/when any comments start being made by the current women's roster that he was acting like a creep around them too during his time with WWE.

[Edited on 11/17/2018 by Paddlefoot]


janerd75 - 11-17-2018 at 07:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

Beating up strangers just because she's bored? If this isn't Austin/Rock levels of sass then none of us were watching the same Austin/Rock back in the glory days either.




While it in no way excuses Nia's sloppiness, her "errant" punch was essentially the final match to light off Becky's rocket to the upper atmosphere of greatness that's obviously been simmering early/middle WWE career Daniel Bryan-style for a while. Nia inadvertently gave her the legitimacy and gravitas that she otherwise wouldn't necessarily have as much of when facing Ronda Rousey. Yes, that Ronda Rousey. You know, the former UFC Champeenette? Where chicks legit beat other bloody, no less.

Yes, UFC =/=WWE, but one of the main issues I've always had with MMA guys like Lashley or Bork, and now Ronda, is simply knowing that in a hot second they could flip a switch and actually demolish anyone and everyone on the roster no matter how big they were. (See: Bork legit tuning up Braun in-ring when Braun got a lil' too face-kicky with Bork.) So given how Ronda's UFC career ended and how Bex showed her toughness by wrasslin' with a broken frickin' face, it makes their eventual match that much more realistically even.

Becky got rocked, proceeded to get right the fuck back up, and then kept wilding like a mad Irishwoman (is there any other kind?). In the perfect storm and chaos of that go home show scrum, there wasn't any time for a ref or official to stop the proceedings to put on the gloves and check on her, so that amazing blood mask visual stayed on to end the show with her triumphant in the end. If that wasn't a Stone Cold 3:16-esque star-making moment, then I don't know what is.

Also, Rusev give NO fucks...

View this post on Instagram

Night out! Who wore it better ?

A post shared by Miroslav Barnyashev (@rusevig) on



ETA: Click on the white arrow on the right of the image. GOL-FUCKING-LY!

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by janerd75]


Paddlefoot - 11-17-2018 at 08:24 PM

Florida Man knows
Florida Man understands
Florida Man cares, dammit!


Planet Starbucks - 11-17-2018 at 11:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

Explain to me why I'm wrong instead of me, for the umpteenth time, trying to explain to others why I see it this way.




Hey man, it's your opinion. For me to label it as purely 'wrong' would be to fall prey to blatant Bertoism. I can see why she's winning so many people over with her recent work, but to put her in the same bracket as Austin and Rock AT THIS STAGE is, objectively, very premature.

If / when she takes WWE by the scruff of the neck and becomes a widely known personality then fine. However, it wasn't the 3:16 promo that made Austin a superstar, it was everything that came after. The promo was just the catalyst, which would have been forgotten if not followed up by suitable booking and consistent character work. Given time, maybe the broken nose will be viewed similarly, but we're talking years down the line not just a week.

The situation doesn't have to be black or white. I don't have to either see it the same way as you or NOT. I'm very much enjoying her current run, but why the need to immediately label her as one of the greats at such an early point in her career? And then lash out at those who don't completely agree? That's the sort of thing I mean when describing her fan base as cult like.


Paddlefoot - 11-18-2018 at 12:04 AM

Don't remember lashing out at anyone over this, more just a questioning as to why some just aren't seeing the near-identical "it" factor in play with Lynch the same way it was with other past elite performers. Didn't want to offend anyone, 'Berto-style, who didn't agree with me by calling them stupid or anything like that and I'm fairly certain I didn't - if anything I've been abruptly yapped at for the "affront" of even putting Becky's name in the same sentence as Austin. I also have to point out that Lynch's ascension hasn't been a sudden thing either. It's been over the course of weeks/months and, like that or not, consuming that much time in a current WWE storyline in these hyper-accelerated (thanks to the internet) days is now equivalent to the half-year or year-long build-ups for guys like Stone Cold or Rocky. She had something like a 12 match win streak first, then at least a couple of weeks of the obvious anger on display when Flair got added to the championship match at Summerslam. As such it hasn't been an illogical or badly-constructed heel turn like recently happened with Strowman, or as groan-inducing as the multiple switches Big Show would end up doing over the course of a single year.

Agree to disagree on this one apparently. I'm not changing my viewpoint on any of this though.

[Edited on 11/18/2018 by Paddlefoot]


CamstunPWG187 - 11-18-2018 at 02:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
Iíll bet Cam is breathing a massive sigh of relief that Ellsworth decided to bail on their match. Nobody wants that literal and metaphorical hepatitis on him.


A little bit, yeah. Iím sort of appalled by the whole thing. My boss is loving it, though, since Chinsworth fucked him out of a thousand big ones for the plane ticket.


GodEatGod - 11-18-2018 at 06:25 AM

I think the devotion Becky's starting to inspire IS part of what's making her run special, the same way fans took to Daniel Bryan a few years ago, where they just are not going to let WWE put her aside anymore. And it's remarkable because no woman's really inspired this kind of reaction in the wrestling fanbase pretty much ever on the mainstream level. So, yeah, it seems like kind of a big deal.

As for her being a celebrity, I don't think she is yet, but I have seen a lot of non-wrestling fans react to the images of bloody Becky and being like HOLY SHIT WHO'S THIS?!? and declaring their devotion.


OORick - 11-18-2018 at 07:33 AM

With the caveat that berty-talk will get banished to the land of wind and ghosts if it goes past a certain threshold, we can and should still talk about Becky Lynch around here....

I'ma gonna go "Team Kinda Stone Cold" with her. Austin was never supposed to to win KotR, he was never supposed to get over huge as a babyface, either. He did both, seemingly overnight.

Becky kinda did the same stuff in the late summer and early autumn of 2018. She wasn't supposed to win the SD Women's Title, and she wasn't supposed to become an even bigger babyface as a result. She did both, seemingly overnight.

I didn't want to take a side in this, but it's official: Becky Lynch is hereby entitled to steal t-shirts and catchphrases from Steve Austin, as far as I'm concerned. And if you disagree, I got one word for ya: WHAT?!?!?

Did everybody see the little 10 minute "day of" behind the scenes video WWE released of Tuesday? There were at least 3 different shots of Paul Heyman skulking in the background, and one was after giving Becky some advice..... now, a video shot and released withing 72 hours of Becky's injury probably didn't get a full check-out from the creative team, but at the same time.... man alive, we've all been waiting for the first Paul Heyman Girl, and assumed it would be Rousey; what if it wasn't?


Planet Starbucks - 11-18-2018 at 10:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

Agree to disagree on this one apparently. I'm not changing my viewpoint on any of this though.




Nor would I expect you to. Besides, it's not like you've said anything that would indicate that you're irrational about the subject at all.

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

I'm actually at the point where I'm hoping that Nia gets punished by being put in a 20-second squash where Rousey breaks her fucking arm for real, or that if she's released she ends up in a shit promotion somewhere and runs into a nut like Sexy Star who ends her career on her.




Oh.


shashwat mishra - 11-18-2018 at 01:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OORick


Did everybody see the little 10 minute "day of" behind the scenes video WWE released of Tuesday? There were at least 3 different shots of Paul Heyman skulking in the background, and one was after giving Becky some advice..... now, a video shot and released withing 72 hours of Becky's injury probably didn't get a full check-out from the creative team, but at the same time.... man alive, we've all been waiting for the first Paul Heyman Girl, and assumed it would be Rousey; what if it wasn't?


He retweeted that gritty-realistic-stylish video package too.
WWE looks to be putting in some social media efforts now on the push.
Great because she can actually transition to the highest tier of stardom.

Hoping for terrific feuds with Asuka, Io Shirai, Dakota Kai and Toni Storm down the line. Come on WWE. Make this happen.


Paddlefoot - 11-18-2018 at 08:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Planet Starbucks




Ehh, sorry for bugging you by liking someone on the teevee too much. Didn't mean to bug you.


Count Zero - 11-19-2018 at 03:18 AM

If Becky Lynch brings back the "WHAT?" I will flip out like Cousin Mark. I seriously loved the hell out of the whattening.

Pickin fights with randos! WHAT? strangers! WHAT? freaks and geeks! WHAT? Wal-mart customers! WHAT? That fat guy in the front row! WHAT?


shashwat mishra - 11-19-2018 at 08:35 AM

A nice read on Becky's run in the WWE:


https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2018/11/18/colohue-dogma-the-ballad-of-becky-lynch/


ThePunisher - 11-19-2018 at 02:18 PM

Enzo being Enzo......


Paddlefoot - 11-19-2018 at 05:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
If Becky Lynch brings back the "WHAT?" I will flip out like Cousin Mark. I seriously loved the hell out of the whattening.

Pickin fights with randos! WHAT? strangers! WHAT? freaks and geeks! WHAT? Wal-mart customers! WHAT? That fat guy in the front row! WHAT?


In the words of Jimmy Crow, good god y'all!

Want some avocado toast? Make you feel better.

— The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) November 19, 2018



And she's fighting with Jericho too now!

The suckerpunch drew blood for sure. Little known fact though: I actually got the concussion from trying to listen to your last ďalbum.Ē

— The Man (@BeckyLynchWWE) November 19, 2018




[Edited on 11/19/2018 by Paddlefoot]


CCharger - 11-19-2018 at 07:07 PM

* God, I want this to be true because it would be the MOST WWE THING EVAR...but rumors are that the WWE will put the belt back on Charlotte and begin building toward her and Rousey at Mania - possibly the main event, while Becky will be moved into an upper mid-card feud with Nia. Not sure how that all works itself out, but again I want it to be true just to listen to all you WWE truthers out there try to defend it.

* Also, Enzo's antics last night reportedly caused a woman to suffer a serious head injury. She fell and hit her head when security pulled Enzo down from the chair. Enzo was ejected from the building after meeting with WWE officials and the LAPD, but no charges were filed. I'm sure you can expect both Enzo and the WWE to be hit with a lawsuit.


[Edited on 11-19-2018 by CCharger]


gobbledygooker - 11-19-2018 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* God, I want this to be true because it would be the MOST WWE THING EVAR...but rumors are that the WWE will put the belt back on Charlotte and begin building toward her and Rousey at Mania - possibly the main event, while Becky will be moved into an upper mid-card feud with Nia. Not sure how that all works itself out, but again I want it to be true just to listen to all you WWE truthers out there try to defend it.


Just to riff on this a bit, I was thinking that with the way last night played out, I could TOTALLY see Becky turning back to babyface tonight by giving a "You didn't have to go that far!" speech to Charlotte. I don't think there's any way in hell they keep them both heel, especially since neither of them will presumably have any contact with Rhonda until Wrestlemania. I hadn't thought about the belt changing hands but that really would make the storyline go full WWE-To-The-Max ("GODDAMN, PAL, nobody cares about Becky, we've gotta get the belt back on CHARLOTTE!!").


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 08:18 PM

You guys give entirely too much credit to face/heel alignments. So much of it is simply who you are facing on that day and in what city. Charlotte didnít turn heel against everyone ... she just reminded everyone that sheís a badass. Beckie tried to turn heel by shitting on the fans but they didnít let her so they just let her keep being a badass. Even Daniel Bryan ... who ďturned heelĒ against the biggest good guy on Smackdown isnít going to get booed all that much and against anyone who isnít on Styles level, he wonít get booed at all.

There are very few true heels in WWE. Ciampa, Corbin and ... yeah. Thatís about the entire list. True faces? Shit ... itís like the luchadores and nothing else because true faces are boring as fuck. Everyone needs some grit.

So to circle it back around, Beckie will get cheered against everyone. Charlotte will get cheered against everyone who isnít Beckie or a long standing good worker because she is respected enough for the crowd to play along. Rousey is still a good guy and has gotten cheered against everyone except in the case where she finally worked against someone who built up respect ... which isnít Nikki Bella. Nia, well she just became Roman Reigns or Bootista.

There is a shit ton of money in a Nia v Beckie feud and it rightfully should be on a major PPV. Charlotte v Ronda is obviously the same. No reason that all 4 of these ladies canít be dance partners all winter. Thatís your big 4 women right there. After that you have Asuka, Sasha, Mela, Bayley, Alexa and one or two more who can fill in on a need to basis.

Listen, I get that Beckie getting her face waffled ruffled some feathers but weíve stumbled onto a perfect storm money making wise.

And what does Vince love most?

Money.


Cherokee Jack - 11-19-2018 at 08:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker

Just to riff on this a bit, I was thinking that with the way last night played out, I could TOTALLY see Becky turning back to babyface tonight by giving a "You didn't have to go that far!" speech to Charlotte. I don't think there's any way in hell they keep them both heel, especially since neither of them will presumably have any contact with Rhonda until Wrestlemania. I hadn't thought about the belt changing hands but that really would make the storyline go full WWE-To-The-Max ("GODDAMN, PAL, nobody cares about Becky, we've gotta get the belt back on CHARLOTTE!!").
You listen to the crowd last night? Thereís a heel in this whole Becky/Charlotte/Ronda story. And it is not Becky or Charlotte.

Beyond that, yes it would be Maximum Vince to immediately decide that Charlotte is the reason this story is working and she needs to be the one to main event against Ronda. And during the beatdown last night I definitely got the fear that they could start moving in that direction.

Edit:
quote:
Listen, I get that Beckie getting her face waffled ruffled some feathers but weíve stumbled onto a perfect storm money making wise.

And what does Vince love most?

Money.
Perhaps, but letís not also pretend that there arenít plenty of examples of Vince leaving money on the table (sometimes a ton of money) in the name of doing what he wants to do.

[Edited on 11-19-2018 by Cherokee Jack]


CCharger - 11-19-2018 at 08:26 PM

Imagine if after Owen botched and dropped Austin on his head, rather than wait around for Austin to heal, Vince instead put him in an upper midcard feud with Owen, and the main event of 1998 Wrestlemania was Shawn Michaels vs. Ken Shamrock.


Paddlefoot - 11-19-2018 at 08:37 PM

Ken Kennedy's routine was over with the crowd and he was good enough to the point that the gave him a MITB win. That didn't keep him from getting fired when he went too stiff and hurt someone.


ulsterphil - 11-19-2018 at 08:39 PM

That was Orton though, and he had the stroke with the proper people.


CCharger - 11-19-2018 at 08:45 PM

FWIW, after Seth Rollins ended Sting's career with an errant BuckleBomb, he went on an 8 match losing streak which included losing clean to Kane on RAW.


Paddlefoot - 11-19-2018 at 08:45 PM

Regardless of who he hurt Kennedy didn't get hot-shotted into a bigger scene after he fucked up. He got downgraded, had his MITB taken away, and was then future endeavoured. And at the moment Lynch is at least as valuable to WWE as Orton was back then so if that's the case Jax (toilet) should have been subject to the same "don't hurt the mega-talent, ever, or else" precedent and not come out on the other end rewarded for it. I wouldn't be half as ongoing pissed off about it if the hypocrisy wasn't so glaring.


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 08:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Ken Kennedy's routine was over with the crowd and he was good enough to the point that the gave him a MITB win. That didn't keep him from getting fired when he went too stiff and hurt someone.


That was a decade ago. Iím sure you could give plenty of examples on both sides. Regardless, it was a punch in a scripted melee that landed one inch closer to the mark than it should of.

Theyíve been building Nia up for years and invested lots of ... whatís that word again ... oh yeah ... money ... invested lots of money into her. Mistakes happen. Move on.

You guys sound just like every jack wagon football fan in Philly who wants the Eagles coached fired.


Paddlefoot - 11-19-2018 at 08:55 PM

"Mistake"?


janerd75 - 11-19-2018 at 09:01 PM

All I want for Christmas, or soon thereafter, is Charlotte/Bex getting revenge attacked by Ronda and then those two teaming up to torment her back. At that point, enter Shayna for some hot hot girl-on-girl tag team action because all four of those chicks can fucking GO. Then Sasha and Bayley enter the fold, followed eventually by Duke and Shafir for some Hosswomunn vs. Hosswomunn fisticuffs, daddeh. Book...............it.


First 9 - 11-19-2018 at 09:02 PM

Not to be pendantic but Kennedy had a history of causing injury or getting injured himself. After he fucked Undertaker's ribs he was given a PPV World Title match against Batista and the mitb was taken from him because he got injured but it wasn't a punishment.

And regarding his issue with Orton, the most reported version of events is that Orton and Cena lobbied for him to be gone. It wasn't just management setting an example.


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 09:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
"Mistake"?


Hahaha. All love from me man. Definitely not trying to troll you. And hell, Beckie has been my personal favorite for a long time. Just saying that for how shitty the situation is with her getting hurt, donít lose the forest through the trees. Beckie now has 3 ... maybe 4 if you include Asuka ... opponents who she could headline any Big 4 PPV against.

This time last week she had 1. Sure it was dumb luck but what happened happened and if all of the participants essentially arenít making more than a kayfabe big deal out of it, than why should we?

Beckie will be back. She will be back with a vengeance. Like it or not she and Charlotte will be neck and neck for years and Rousey is a damn ATM. Now Nia has parlayed herself into being Darth Vader we have a whole main event worthy of giving a shit about. These are good things.


TownOfDalem - 11-19-2018 at 09:08 PM

I just find the fan's reactions funny. Just using the way the majority of fan's reacted to the examples brought up thus far:

Owen injures Austin and Owen remains an all time great.
Seth injures Sting, Cena, and Balor and Seth the best current worker alive.
Kennedy injures Orton and it was terrible that he was eventually released.
Brie hurts Liv and should be fired.
Nia hurts Becky and deserves to be fired.

It's almost like people make the decision on if the wrestler should be punished for a botch or not based on if that wrestler was already a smark favorite before the incident.


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 09:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TownOfDalem
I just find the fan's reactions funny. Just using the way the majority of fan's reacted to the examples brought up thus far:

Owen injures Austin and Owen remains an all time great.
Seth injures Sting, Cena, and Balor and Seth the best current worker alive.
Kennedy injures Orton and it was terrible that he was eventually released.
Brie hurts Liv and should be fired.
Nia hurts Becky and deserves to be fired.

It's almost like people make the decision on if the wrestler should be punished for a botch or not based on if that wrestler was already a smark favorite before the incident.


Yup! Same as it ever was. Same thing happens in sports too. And politics. And fucking everywhere it seems!


CCharger - 11-19-2018 at 09:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TownOfDalem
I just find the fan's reactions funny. Just using the way the majority of fan's reacted to the examples brought up thus far:

Owen injures Austin and Owen remains an all time great.
Seth injures Sting, Cena, and Balor and Seth the best current worker alive.
Kennedy injures Orton and it was terrible that he was eventually released.
Brie hurts Liv and should be fired.
Nia hurts Becky and deserves to be fired.

It's almost like people make the decision on if the wrestler should be punished for a botch or not based on if that wrestler was already a smark favorite before the incident.

The difference is whether a wrestler has a history of hurting/botching.

Kennedy, Brie, and Nia all had reputations for being careless and/or stiff in the ring.

Owen and Seth do not.

As Cornette is wont to say, it's wrestling, not ballet. Mistakes happen. Injuries happen.But if you are repeatedly fucking up and hurting people, you need to be held accountable.


Paddlefoot - 11-19-2018 at 09:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TownOfDalem
Owen injures Austin and Owen remains an all time great.


That botch was a terrible one, that shortened Stone Cold's career, but it was also wildly out of character for a noted safe performer like Owen. Nothing else like it happened at all for the rest of Owen's career.

quote:
Seth injures Sting, Cena, and Balor and Seth the best current worker alive.


As noted elsewhere Seth got temporarily downgraded and had to take a big embarrassing loss to Kane. More importantly he also had his moveset altered and was forced to dial down the intensity to make him safer to play with.

quote:
Kennedy injures Orton and it was terrible that he was eventually released.


If Ken had been injuring others, as F9 noted, and had a bad enough attitude that even Cena said they had to gas him then being released was fair.

quote:
Brie hurts Liv and should be fired.


Brie was rusty as fuck and shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with. In fairness to her Liv was also in motion from the initial kicks and kinda-sorta fell into Brie's foot when the kick that ended up hurting her was already in motion and impossible to stop. The consensus was that for the botch Brie should no longer wrestle, not be fired altogether.

quote:
Nia hurts Becky and deserves to be fired.


Nia hurts multiple performers in the space of a couple of years. She comes back noticeably heavier and fatter after each break she takes. Her overall ring conditioning is a joke. And, most of all she shows no sign of improvement at all, not even after feuding with much, much better athletes like Flair & Banks. Even worse, by not doing anything at all to either punish her or to help her get more competent with extra training or putting her on some kind of a diet, WWE shows no sign of even caring at all at how unsafe and reckless she is.

Fuck, if they need a big gal that knows how to do the goddamn job right without killing anyone just hire Kong back.







[Edited on 11/19/2018 by Paddlefoot]


CCharger - 11-19-2018 at 09:30 PM

DK,

I love ya, but you and I both know that if Vince McMahon shot man in broad daylight on Madison Avenue, you'd compliment him on his aim and tell everyone to give it time to see how the case plays out.

Bottom line, you aren't the most unbiased voice of reason here...


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 09:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
DK,

I love ya, but you and I both know that if Vince McMahon shot man in broad daylight on Madison Avenue, you'd compliment him on his aim and tell everyone to give it time to see how the case plays out.

Bottom line, you aren't the most unbiased voice of reason here...


Iím just realistic about what the guy does. He hunts for money. He has made tons of mistakes but, conversely, has made more smart moves than everyone in the last 50 years of professional wrestling combined.

Call me biased all you want, but just because I donít take the standard internet stance on everything doesnít mean I havenít been proven right many times.

But that said, I donít know what there is to be proven right about here. I donít think a wrestler should be fired for making a mistake in a wrestling match. For getting arrested, sure. Failing drug tests, sure. Being a general jackass, sure. Misplacing a punch? Yeah, no. Besides we donít know that she wasnít punished in some way.

As for Vince shooting someone ... I would say he should be arrested, but I would say that I understood his reasoning behind it. Cause the reason is always money.


Planet Starbucks - 11-19-2018 at 09:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

Bottom line, you aren't the most unbiased voice of reason here...


Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that when when it comes to anything Becky on here, reason left the building quite a while ago.

Just to clarify, suggesting that Becky may not actually be post-op SCSA = big no no. Suggesting that Nia's punch was anything other than an intentional potato = . Wishing the very same performer to suffer a career ending injury = fine and dandy brother!


Count Zero - 11-19-2018 at 10:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler

Hahaha. All love from me man. Definitely not trying to troll you. And hell, Beckie has been my personal favorite for a long time.
If true, you should be able to spell "BECKY" by now, fam?


janerd75 - 11-19-2018 at 10:06 PM

I'm helping!



#GolgothaNia


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 10:12 PM

Just to be clear ... itís not that Iím a Vince McMahon mark, rather I will admit that he probably had a significant hand in shaping what I like about pro wrestling.

I like Big Show matches. This is a real thing. I thought that the 205 match last night was the best time for the bathroom break. Just the way Iím wired.

I donít believe that more than say 10% of WWEs audience cares about only WWE just the same as I donít believe for a second that more than 10% of MMA fans are totally against WWE. I think a lot more people watch both and way more people than that watch both and football, basketball, baseball, soccer etc.

I think that everything worth following in life has people who think that the past was way better and that they current people in charge of their chosen interest donít know what they are doing. That applies to everyone Iíve already mentioned and things like Game of Thrones or Marvel movies or The Walking Dead or Phish or politics or fucking everything.

I think one of the most overlooked great ideas over the last 5 to 10 years was the formation of a WWE regular season that mirrored real sports. Everything until SummerSlam is pre season. Survivor Series is the All-Star game. The Rumble starts the playoffs and Wrestlemania is the Super Bowl. I only bring this up because this is something I would have done much like The Process for my 76ers. If my chosen interest has management that in the macro does what I would have done, why would I not support it? NXT and itís worldwide branches are another.

So yeah, stuff like that is why I come off as a Vince apologist. Because he and his company have made a lot of logical macro moves that I would have done had I been in their shoes.

So if you want to get on them about having a guy piss his pants, absolutely. Shit all over that.

But Iím not in the business of saying who should or should not be punished. I will leave that to the ridiculous amount of HR reps in their organization. Hence why Iím not jumping on the fire Nia bandwagon. Cause I wouldnít have myself.


DKBroiler - 11-19-2018 at 10:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler

Hahaha. All love from me man. Definitely not trying to troll you. And hell, Beckie has been my personal favorite for a long time.
If true, you should be able to spell "BECKY" by now, fam?


Fair.


CCharger - 11-19-2018 at 10:23 PM

The one thing I can say about janerd: he may be a pederast but at least he slows down through school zones.


janerd75 - 11-19-2018 at 10:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
The one thing I can say about janerd: he may be a pederast but at least he slows down through school zones.


Well, you can't catch 'em all if you mow 'em down first. Heyyyyyy, wait a second...


First 9 - 11-19-2018 at 11:59 PM

In other news, AJ Styles is renegotiating with WWE and is pushing for lesser dates.

This might affect his status as the top guy of SD which would suck but hey this migth finally open up the chance for Finn Balor to jump brands and finally rise out of midcard purgatory.


GodEatGod - 11-20-2018 at 12:14 AM

What interests me is that there seems to be this idea that Nia's punishment should be somehow public and done to our satisfaction. Nia could get serious heat from her colleagues and management, potentially get fined, forced to due extensive training sessions to help improve her control and prevent future incident.

None of that has anything to do with whether or not she wins the pretendy fights on Mondays and Sundays.

Nobody knows if Nia's been punished or not, we only know that they haven't decided to incorporate any punishment INTO storyline. Instead, they've capitalized on it and tried to use it to make more money and build heat for both competitors. OH THE HORROR.


Paddlefoot - 11-20-2018 at 03:54 AM

At my next job I'm going to go bust one of the other workers in the back of the knee with a prybar as hard as I can. After that I expect, at a minimum, to get a raise and a much better parking spot.


janerd75 - 11-20-2018 at 04:00 AM

I have some Grade-A Florida flakka I would like to donate to this project.


GodEatGod - 11-20-2018 at 04:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
At my next job I'm going to go bust one of the other workers in the back of the knee with a prybar as hard as I can. After that I expect, at a minimum, to get a raise and a much better parking spot.


Yes, because that's the exact same thing.

If Nia had actually assaulted Becky backstage, off-camera, nothing to do with a match or a segment, then yeah, it would be somewhat equivalent. What Nia did to Becky is more akin to a workplace accident. If you think Nia had some sort of diabolical plan to intentionally injure Becky, you've got full berto on us, man. She threw a punch, aimed wrong, threw it too hard, whatever, and she got Becky full in the face. She probably threw forty or fifty other punches that night that went fine. It fucking sucks. I wanted Becky to have that match, too. But this childish stamping of feet because Nia hasn't been publicly humiliated to your particular satisfaction is bizarre. You don't know she hasn't been punished, you know she just hasn't been PUBLICLY punished during her brief segment of TV time. Whoopty shit.

Fuck, I don't even particularly like Nia or want to see her pushed. She's one of my least favorite RAW women (Tamina would be the least, so imagine how I love their pairing). I like Alicia Fox better than her. But how can you be a longtime fan of the wrestling business and not realize that the more negatively you react to Nia, the more you boo her, the more you publicly roast her, the more WWE sees $$$? Like, that's the way this business has always worked. Fuck, Sami Callahan on Impact last year CRUSHED A GUY'S HEAD WITH A BASEBALL BAT and there was barely a ripple (admittedly, a part of that is probably just because it's Impact).

I know it's a hot angle, I know it's got you all riled up and jacked and ready to fight for Becky, but you are deep in your feels right now. That feeling is called being worked. Nothing wrong with being worked. Hell, those feelings are what you WANT out of wrestling, that engagement and catharsis.

But don't let it make you act like a dick.


Paddlefoot - 11-20-2018 at 04:44 AM

1) in the age of intarwebz it's impossible for them to keep it quiet if Toilet was facing any consequences for her fuck-up; the way she's strutting around with that goddamn sneer on her face says that she's not

2) I didn't use the word "deliberate" in the sense that Toilet went into business for herself last week the way Cass did with the midget stunt that became part of a series of incidents and attitude problems that got him fired. I meant it in the sense that Jax got mad when Becky hit her in the back of the head, turned around in a rage, and shot out with a deliberate punch meant to injure even though she didn't know it was Lynch. She meant to pop whoever it was that hit her and make them pay for it. It could have been Lana, Asuka, Mandy, or any of the other SD women who went too stiff on her and the result would have been the same - someone with a concussion and a broken nose all because Cuntzilla is a combination of incompetent + a reactive bad temper. This "accident" stuff where she was merely "off by a couple of inches" is bullshit. I might not be the world's most avid boxing or MMA fan by I still know the difference between a worked professional wrestling punch and a legit one meant to cause damage and that goddamn punch last week was IMO definitely the latter.

I won't go on about this anymore because, yeah, I don't want to go full-Berto. I don't do conspiracies about burials that aren't happening. I still know what I saw though and am certain that I'm correct about this. Whatever. If all this is leading to a Four Horsewomen alliance and comprehensive cross-brand rampage by Wrestlemania then terrific. I'll be happy. Knowing WWE though it could just as easily turn into Toilet going over everyone else for the next six months because money and all of Becky's hard work being tossed aside like it never happened at all. Or whatever else WWE is thinking with that goddamn fucking rotten "best for business" cop out they resort to all the fucking time. Don't anyone be surprised if the worst ends up happening, so enjoy The Becky Lynch Show while you can.

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
I have some Grade-A Florida flakka I would like to donate to this project.


Forget it, Janny. It's NiaToilet-Town.





[Edited on 11/20/2018 by Paddlefoot]


Flash - 11-20-2018 at 09:47 AM

I don't get the Nia hate... I mean you gotta figure in the years she's been in wrestling; between TV, PPV, and house shows she's probably thrown a thousand fake punches and one lands (yeah it looks terrible) and there's calls for her job?

Becky's okay, probably more talked about than ever because of this and is getting a lot of mileage out of it... Her actual bosses haven't fired her... you know the people who probably sat down and talked to everyone involved after it happened.

Wrestling is supposed to look real; meaning you get as close as you can and hopefully don't connect. You've also got talents in the ring with one another that are doing this somewhat on the fly (they likely get a broad strokes script that day for what they'll do) and are constantly working with different people with different skillsets and styles who they may have never worked with before... Honestly the fact that these "ouchies" don't happen more often is probably a testament to their talent and training.

I get that Nia isn't the most popular girl there, but given that none of us really have a vested interest in what happened, don't have the full story, and for the most part Becky seems to be okay the level of hate just seems off.


CCharger - 11-20-2018 at 01:40 PM

* WWE officials (ie. StepHHH and Vince) have informed talent (including announcers) that they are no longer concerned about boos or cheers and who receives them. There focus is on Network subs, tickets sold, and loud reactions of any kind. The implication is that the heel/babyface dynamic as we know it no longer exists in WWE. There are no good guys or bad guys. Just...guys.


SpiNNeR72 - 11-20-2018 at 01:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

Fuck, if they need a big gal that knows how to do the goddamn job right without killing anyone just hire Kong back.




VIPER!

I know shes possibly not so well known outside the UK other than the brief spots in the MYC but Piper Niven is a big girl who really can go.


On the rumorz subject however - in case you didn;t notice, Rajah.com seemed to have an insider with access to Survivor Series production notes. Too spoilery for my liking bu they seemed legit reading back.


TownOfDalem - 11-20-2018 at 02:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
I know shes possibly not so well known outside the UK other than the brief spots in the MYC but Piper Niven is a big girl who really can go.


I'll take any opportunity to say yes to more Piper Niven. She was awesome in last year's Mae Young and the fact that she isn't at least on NXT UK is a crime.

Also, I didn't realize my man Paddle had decided Nia was intentionally trying to punch someone. Awesome!


CCharger - 11-20-2018 at 02:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TownOfDalem
a big girl who really can go.

Guys say the same thing about Paddlefoot's sister.


DKBroiler - 11-20-2018 at 03:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* WWE officials (ie. StepHHH and Vince) have informed talent (including announcers) that they are no longer concerned about boos or cheers and who receives them. There focus is on Network subs, tickets sold, and loud reactions of any kind. The implication is that the heel/babyface dynamic as we know it no longer exists in WWE. There are no good guys or bad guys. Just...guys.


Good.


G. Jonah Jameson - 11-20-2018 at 03:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TownOfDalem
Also, I didn't realize my man Paddle had decided Nia was intentionally trying to punch someone. Awesome!


Yeah, it's easy to believe Nia Jax miscalculated that punch; she has a documented history of miscalculating moves. Believing she did it on purpose, even as a knee-jerk reaction, wouldn't just be out of character for her, it would be out of character for basically the entire roster. I mean, aside from Brock Lesnar's waffling Braun Strowman at the Royal Rumble, when was the last time someone deliberately (and without approval, so we're not counting Lesnar bashing Randy Orton's head in at Summerslam 2016) jacked someone else in the face on WWE TV? I think we're definitely in a Hanlon's razor situation here.


Accipiter - 11-20-2018 at 05:49 PM

It's being reported that Braun is going to have surgery for bone spurs, which is one of the most serious injuries one can have.


First 9 - 11-20-2018 at 05:52 PM

His staus is shakey for TLC but apaprently management is confident he'll be at the Rumble.

With the B PPVs not really mattering, he should just sit it out and the ppv can be carried by SD's World Title match and Seth vs Dean.


anglefan85 - 11-20-2018 at 07:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

Fuck, if they need a big gal that knows how to do the goddamn job right without killing anyone just hire Kong back.




VIPER!

I know shes possibly not so well known outside the UK other than the brief spots in the MYC but Piper Niven is a big girl who really can go.


I second that one


janerd75 - 11-20-2018 at 11:33 PM

Rumor is this pretty fuckin' sweet!


DKBroiler - 11-20-2018 at 11:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Accipiter
It's being reported that Braun is going to have surgery for bone spurs, which is one of the most serious injuries one can have.


Does this make him ineligible for the Superstar Shakeup?


CCharger - 11-21-2018 at 01:55 AM

Jake looks great for being dead.


DKBroiler - 11-21-2018 at 03:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Jake looks great for being dead.


Thatís a grade A callback right there.


Paddlefoot - 11-21-2018 at 11:00 PM

I deleted a ton of stuff off my Picture and from my Imgur account. I've been told it's affected some avatars that some OOster's linked to at that account. Here is the basic avatar pic for your use. Please save it to your own accounts at Imgur/Giphy/Pinterest/whatever:



Use this site to do your own captioning and such. It's easy as heck:

https://ezgif.com/

Listened to this on the weekend when I was high as fuck. I've found out despite my age (51) and increasing afflictions that I enjoy techno when I'm stoned far more than I do basic rock 'n' roll. Odd, because I'm way too much of a nerd to have ever been acceptable to the techno crowd. Not that the rock crowd ever liked me very much either, but whatever. Great soundtrack from the GREATEST FRIKKIN' MOVIE OF ALL TIME!



Wanted to sex up the Lena Headey since Terminator TSCC but it's her drugged-out sociopathic Ma-Ma from Dredd that gives me the most awkward boner.



That movie never got the series of sequels it deserved is a fucking crime. Mega-City One represent!

Anyway, here's some Iggy/Queens too, reprising the main theme from the SECOND GREATEST FRIKKIN' MOVIE OF ALL TIME!:



Gonna disappear from OO for a while. A few days, a couple of weeks, maybe/probably longer. Kind of tired of everything to do with wrestling at the moment. Reigns' illness kind of fucked me up emotionally for some reason. And I'm just generally exhausted with of WWE's hypocrisy, nepotism, favouritism, and general lack of any ethical code. Can't endlessly subject myself to that kind of corrosion without some kind of mental toxins building up far past any safe exposure limits.

Kind of tired too of the overall wrestling fandom as well, truth be told. That's not aimed personally at anyone here, for the most part. Just fatigued with all of this IWC nonsense in general. Also kind of annoyed with being given shit when I know exactly what my eyes are seeing when I see it. Haven't done enough drugs or alcohol in my lifetime that the sky has changed colour on me so I don't need anyone telling me I'm fucked in the head or that I'm some kind of asshole just because I say I know what I saw. But, once again, whatever. Different strokes for different blokes, apparently

See you eventually. Mabey. Take care anyway(most of you).


Count Zero - 11-22-2018 at 02:44 AM

Bye Senor Paddles.

And Dredd indeed WAS a pretty goddamn awesome movie. It got me hooked on Ol' Chinface. (Yes, I'm very late to that particular party.)


CVD39 - 11-22-2018 at 07:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by G-Spot

Hey...we donít deliver mail, things happen. Is anyone gonna ask me about how my fist feels? pic.twitter.com/RjRVcVWTEQ

— Lina Fanene (@NiaJaxWWE) November 14, 2018





Niaís fist got another victim, I see. Via con diablo, Paddle.


janerd75 - 11-22-2018 at 09:37 AM

Rumour has it that I have a sad.




Paddlefoot - 11-22-2018 at 09:33 PM

The pain is self chosen.


Count Zero - 11-23-2018 at 01:52 AM

That's masochism, right? Does that make Janerd a sadist? Or just the saddest?

(oh man, see what I did there? sOO icOOnic.)


janerd75 - 11-23-2018 at 04:41 AM

In non-sad news, rumour has it that....




Flash - 11-23-2018 at 12:31 PM

So in a probably small, but significant symbol that his time atop the WWE is over John Cena went out and got himself a big 'ol tattoo on his right forearm... looks like some kinda eagle type thing. While it's not a huge deal, and obviously not a deal breaker for Vince to push a guy, Vince is generally said to be pretty down on tattoos... So maybe that's why Cena held out for so long on getting one but now feels free to do so?

That or he's 41, recently broken up, and living in China... Other's have said "screw it, I'm getting a tattoo" for less reasons.

Unrelated...

If you're reading this I hope you stick around Pad'... you seem like a good dude. I think you double down hard on stuff from time to time, and that's probably what pitted you against some of us over the Jax thing (calling her a C-word variation is apt to take something from a rationale debate to tipping point) but I think that's more a quirk than "oh god, there goes THAT guy again..."... We all have quirks that probably irk others from time to time but by and large I think we've got a pretty great bOOard here where even when there's disagreement most of the time there's at least respect. You kick in in a number of forums around here and it's appreciated.

If you need a break by all means, but here's hoping you come back.... if for no other reason than if we don't keep our Canadian numbers up I won't be able to justify spelling things the right way by slipping an extra "U" into various thread titles from time to time.


CVD39 - 11-23-2018 at 01:00 PM

Why is Cena living in China? Movie role? If he wouldnít do the Saudi show because of ethical reasons, shouldnít he know that China doesnít have a very good human rights track record?


niles81 - 11-23-2018 at 01:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CVD39
Why is Cena living in China? Movie role? If he wouldnít do the Saudi show because of ethical reasons, shouldnít he know that China doesnít have a very good human rights track record?


I suppose that would depend: is the movie in question being entirely paid for by the Communist Party of China or does it just happen to be getting shot there?


CamstunPWG187 - 11-23-2018 at 01:53 PM

Pad, I back up everything Flash just said


Flash - 11-23-2018 at 04:45 PM

Re: Cena... It's for a movie with Jackie Chan... It's funny as it's described as a short movie but he said he'd be moving to China for 5 months; that's a pretty lengthy shoot.


denverpunk - 11-23-2018 at 06:33 PM

Microplayed. Youíre one of the good ones Pad, and I hope you come back.


GodEatGod - 11-23-2018 at 09:49 PM

Yeah, I've butted heads with Pad plenty, including on the Nia issue, but he's definitely one of the voices that keeps this place running and we agree just about as much as we disagree. I also stand by my motto of "this shit ain't worth getting worked up about". If it's causing you stress or you're unhappy, just take a break, even if it's only from talking to us shitheads.


anglefan85 - 11-23-2018 at 11:46 PM

Lars Sullivan may be in a bit of trouble after some of his past comments on the bodybuilding.com forums have surfaced. Yeah...this is not a good look.

https://twitter.com/JesseJayeKaye/status/1065966159910981632

And also this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DstX2cCVYAA6Un0.jpg


Flash - 11-24-2018 at 03:54 AM

I'm inclined to give the WWE a pass for missing this, although a bit surprised they don't vet talent better, but I'm thinking bye by Lars?

I mean the racists and misogynist stuff is fine... but disrespecting KFC won't stand with Vince.


G. Jonah Jameson - 11-24-2018 at 02:16 PM

Well, I, for one, am very much looking forward to Lars Sullivan's new career as a pearl-clutching "BUT MUH FREEDOM OF SPEECH" columnist on the alt-right equivalent of ESPN, alongside Curt Schilling and ... who's another athlete who got exposed as a minority/woman/gay/transgender/Muslim hating POS recently? I don't follow sports very closely.


dxlevy72 - 11-25-2018 at 01:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
So in a probably small, but significant symbol that his time atop the WWE is over John Cena went out and got himself a big 'ol tattoo on his right forearm... looks like some kinda eagle type thing. While it's not a huge deal, and obviously not a deal breaker for Vince to push a guy, Vince is generally said to be pretty down on tattoos... So maybe that's why Cena held out for so long on getting one but now feels free to do so?




Definitely not a deal breaker: Undertaker, Bork, Roman,...


Paddlefoot - 11-25-2018 at 06:17 AM

* a relatively healthy Roman Reigns made an appearance at today's Georgia Tech football game:

.@WWERomanReigns knows the GOOD WORD!!! #THWG pic.twitter.com/bKxJF1mRtp

— Georgia Tech Football (@GeorgiaTechFB) November 24, 2018



God bless, big dawg.


the goon - 11-25-2018 at 06:23 AM

quote:
Originally posted by dxlevy72
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
So in a probably small, but significant symbol that his time atop the WWE is over John Cena went out and got himself a big 'ol tattoo on his right forearm... looks like some kinda eagle type thing. While it's not a huge deal, and obviously not a deal breaker for Vince to push a guy, Vince is generally said to be pretty down on tattoos... So maybe that's why Cena held out for so long on getting one but now feels free to do so?




Definitely not a deal breaker: Undertaker, Bork, Roman,...


Yeah, just to throw some other names out there: Batista, Orton, Punk, AJ, Mysterio, Strowman, Bray, Jeff Hardy, the Usos...while I could definitely see Vince as the type to frown upon tattoos, it certainly doesn't seem to have any baring on who gets pushed in the WWE.

And something random that I thought of while typing up this post: it's kind of interesting that Ruby Riott is the only female in WWE that's heavily tattooed. I know Charlotte and Sonya Deville have some minor ink, but other than that I'm hard-pressed to think of a female wrestler in WWE who has a tattoo, outside of Lita. So I dunno, maybe there's more pressure on the ladies to remain tattoo-free?


Flash - 11-25-2018 at 07:40 AM

You guys did see the line right before the highlighted one right... "obviously not a deal breaker for Vince to push a guy".


CVD39 - 11-26-2018 at 03:30 PM

Starrcade was last night and an hour of it is on the Network. Standard house show headlined by AJ/Joe in a cage. Non televised matches included Rollins/Ambrose in a cage (not ready for that yet to be televised yet) and Bray Wyatt made a surprise return.



[Edited on 11-26-2018 by CVD39]


PB-13 - 11-26-2018 at 04:45 PM

Larry Matysik, who was the voice of the St. Louis-area "Wrestling At The Chase" program in the days of promoter Sam Muchnick, passed away over the weekend after a long illness.

Old-school fans in my area practically worshipped that era and its stars (i.e. King Kong/Bruiser Brody). He was still involved with wrestling on the local scene and I was fortunate to have a few good conversations with the man at SICW events. Despite his physical ailments later in life, he always stayed positive and loved meeting and talking with the fans. I truly wish I'd gotten to know him better than I did.


SpiNNeR72 - 11-26-2018 at 05:46 PM

Quite surprised to see Wyatt's return happen at an event with all hands on deck.

In a completely different story, I see a few reports that Drake Maverick couldn't get the gimmick to work (as we could see) at Survivor Series so actually pissed himself for real. That kind of dedication will take him far...


Cherokee Jack - 11-26-2018 at 06:06 PM

Not surprising if true. I wrote in the Survivor Series thread that you could see him very conspicuously grabbing around his midsection for something, to the extent that it became obvious what was about to happen several seconds before it actually did.

[Edited on 11-26-2018 by Cherokee Jack]


First 9 - 11-26-2018 at 07:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
Quite surprised to see Wyatt's return happen at an event with all hands on deck.




Might have been a last minute thing due to Braun's injury. I'm dissapointed Bray looks to be more or less the same but I wouldn't mind if he just slips in into Braun's spot on the card while the big guy is recovering.


SpiNNeR72 - 11-26-2018 at 07:59 PM

Hmm. Could Bray perhaps end up in Lars position after the above revelations?


CCharger - 11-26-2018 at 08:25 PM

* Rumor is that Seth Rollins will be positioned to replace Reigns as the RAW brand's top babyface. He is currently penciled in to win the Rumble and face Brock at Mania.

* John Cena's filming will be wrapping up soon and he is being added to more WWE house shows. It is expected that he will wrestle at the Rumble against Daniel Bryan.

* The new promotion rumored to be started up by the Elite has approached two current WWE stars whose deals are up in 2019 and they have "provisionally accepted" deals with the new company. Those two are rumored to be AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura.


anglefan85 - 11-26-2018 at 08:46 PM

Speaking of Lars, another of his previous comments has come to light and....whoa.

quote:
Not a troll thread, just a thought. And the thought is that thereís a grey area when it comes to sexual intercourse and rape. Thereís 100% complete consensual sex when a woman will rip off her clothes and jump on you, then thereís levels that donít quite reach 100% consent.

Most women like men to take control, at what point is it too much control? Iím not insinuating that the politician who spewed the nonsense about women controlling when they get pregnant by switching it off in their brain is right, heís a complete moron. But the fact is there is a grey area when it comes to the definition of rape.


CCharger - 11-26-2018 at 09:35 PM

"What's Sully Larson doing in the Impact Zone?!"

[Edited on 11-26-2018 by CCharger]


GodEatGod - 11-26-2018 at 10:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
Quite surprised to see Wyatt's return happen at an event with all hands on deck.




Might have been a last minute thing due to Braun's injury. I'm dissapointed Bray looks to be more or less the same but I wouldn't mind if he just slips in into Braun's spot on the card while the big guy is recovering.


I wouldn't just mind, I would be ecstatic. I could use a break from Braun, especially versus Brock. Let Bray kill Baron Corbin and then fight Brock at the Rumble.


Paddlefoot - 11-26-2018 at 11:27 PM

* except for Sasha & Bayley (so far) six of the eight other Horsewomen (and Tessa Blanchard too) are now involved in the Twitter beef Becky Lynch initiated against Ronda Rousey:

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2018/11/26/18113280/becky-lynch-ronda-rousey-twitter-battle-joined-charlotte-flair-shayna-baszler-nxt-mma-horsewomen


Slade - 11-27-2018 at 02:06 AM

What evidence is there that Lars Sullivan made the comments on that message board? I'm reading these claims that he's made a bunch of stupid comments, and I've clicked on the links and read the comments belonging to the same message board commenter, but I haven't yet seen evidence linking the two together.


anglefan85 - 11-27-2018 at 02:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
What evidence is there that Lars Sullivan made the comments on that message board? I'm reading these claims that he's made a bunch of stupid comments, and I've clicked on the links and read the comments belonging to the same message board commenter, but I haven't yet seen evidence linking the two together.


The Disenfranchised one has his photos on it, the elperfecto one was stating about his deal with WWE developmental, and that forum has also made mention of the fact that its him.


CCharger - 11-27-2018 at 05:17 AM

Interested to see what our friends across The Pomd think of this...

* WWE has banned their UK guys from working non WWE/PROGRESS/ICW/WXW indy shows next year.
Nor can WWE contracted UK guys be booked against other contracted wrestlers for the remainder of their indy dates on indy shows. I'm sure the resident WWE apologists will think this is fine, but I think it really hurts both the smaller, local indies AND the non-WWE workers trying to make a living off of it.


bigfatgoalie - 11-27-2018 at 07:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Interested to see what our friends across The Pomd think of this...

* WWE has banned their UK guys from working non WWE/PROGRESS/ICW/WXW indy shows next year.
Nor can WWE contracted UK guys be booked against other contracted wrestlers for the remainder of their indy dates on indy shows. I'm sure the resident WWE apologists will think this is fine, but I think it really hurts both the smaller, local indies AND the non-WWE workers trying to make a living off of it.


Hi there...WWE apologist Brad here. Aka big fat goalie. Aka BFG. Aka Douce. Aka Douchebag.

With all due, and thus little, respect....your post is fucking misleading as all fuck.

The WWE reportedly gave several NXT Uk stars new, exclusive contracts. With these new contracts, comes new rules for a) the remainder of the year and b) next year. The big new rule is that NXT UK talent will be barred from wrestling anyone contracted to ROH, Impact, NJPW, WOS or other major promotions

This is good for WWE, the dudes and dudettes making more money, and the promotions that are WWE approved. This is bad for folks who want to compete with WWE.

For small indy promotions...yup, this sucks. Less name guys to go after. Although with guys getting money from WWE, Iíd imagine a lot of promotions were priced out from being able to hire certain guys. Although it could mean guys whoíd previously work Progress for example, signed to say Impact, may be easier to get.

For non-WWE wrestlers...if you are signed to NJPW, ROH, or Impact...why are you shocked that you canít wrestle WWE guys? Also, I think WWE guys competing for the same spots on Indy shows would hurt you. All of a sudden you are a much bigger fish to those guys.

If you are not signed to anybody....you could still get bookings with PROGRESS, ICW and wXw against WWE talent. And might be more likely to now that the ROH etc guys canít get those matches.

Also of note...not every WWE UK guy signed a new deal. And thus are not held to, nor subject to any sort of ban. The reason for this was due to poor attendance for WWE UK tv takings. And guys showing up hurt from working smaller shows.

So basically WWE is increasing their commitment to the UK market, their UK talent, and their UK partners. Fuck the WWE for wanting something pretty reasonable in return right?


Slade - 11-27-2018 at 10:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
The Disenfranchised one has his photos on it, the elperfecto one was stating about his deal with WWE developmental, and that forum has also made mention of the fact that its him.


Thank you for that.

I read elperfecto's comments but hadn't seen a post where elperfecto stated he had a WWE developmental deal. I still don't think that is proof enough it was him. He could still deny it. I've seen one photo posted as Disenfranchised and I'm not convinced its him. There's enough of a resemblance for me to believe that it might be.

Regardless, I read that WWE ran a promo video for him last night, so he hasn't been fired yet. He's apparently a hot "free agent." But he's not a real free agent.

If all that shit sticks to him and management believes they have enough proof to think all of it was him, then I can't see why they'd want him around for much longer.

[Edited on 11-27-2018 by Slade]


nOOb - 11-27-2018 at 11:39 AM

The Lars Sullivan stuff is only a big deal if it becomes news...ACTUAL news (if the terms ďwrestlingĒ, ďproĒ, ďpro wrestlingĒ, ďnewzĒ, or ďsports entertainmentĒ are in any way, shape, or form in the name of the storyís publisher, itís not real news). Like if this becomes an article on Bleacher Report that pops up somewhere near the bottom of the real sports news feed, thatís it for Lars. Until then, Vince and company will care about this as much as they care about the stories about rumored backstage heat and potential reasons someone was not on TV for a week.


CCharger - 11-27-2018 at 01:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Brad here

Hello, Mr. Maddox

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
your post is fucking misleading as all fuck.

Really? Seems basically identical to yours...let's see...

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
WWE has banned their UK guys from working non WWE/PROGRESS/ICW/WXW indy shows next year.


quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
NXT UK talent will be barred from wrestling anyone contracted to ROH, Impact, NJPW, WOS or other major promotions

Hmmm...

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I'm sure the resident WWE apologists will think this is fine,



quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
WWE apologist Brad here...This is good for WWE

OK...go on...

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I think it really hurts both the smaller, local indies


quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
For small indy promotions...yup, this sucks



Yes...OK...now where exactly is my post misleading and/or markedly different from yours?

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
So basically WWE is increasing their commitment to the UK market, their UK talent, and their UK partners. Fuck the WWE for wanting something pretty reasonable in return right?

No, fuck the WWE for being an immense fish in an very small pond and feeling the need to devour all the little fish for...what exactly? I mean there's lots of indie promotions/opportunities for US guys, but the Brits? I can't imagine there are a lot of great opportunities to wrestle outside of Progress, ICW, and WXW. It similar to if WWE were partners with Impact, ROH, and MLW. So now American guys contracted to NXT can't work for any companies outside of WWE, NXT, Impact, ROH, and MLW? I guess from a purely animalistic capitalistic POV that's fine for WWE, but from an industry POV with men and women eager for opportunities and well paying gigs, that's pretty shitty IMO.


GodEatGod - 11-27-2018 at 03:58 PM

I was surprised that they ever allowed it in the first place. WWE isn't exactly known for its love of competition, even small fish. They'd rather eat them. Like, I get that it sucks, especially for fans of Indy promotions in the UK, but it's not shocking or unexpected or even unethical.


bigfatgoalie - 11-27-2018 at 05:52 PM

Because CCharger is a jackoff Iíll simplify:

WWE signed NXT UK talent to new exclusive deals.

Failing to mention that TWICE is fucking misleading. But being anti WWE makes CCharger...special.


CCharger - 11-27-2018 at 05:58 PM

No, it's not misleading. It's implied.

By signing them to exclusive deals means they can no longer work for people they used to be able to work for.

You used the "bar". I used the word "ban". Does it matter?

Are you really getting your panties in a twist about semantics? Or are you just being an argumentative dick?


bigfatgoalie - 11-27-2018 at 06:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
No, it's not misleading. It's implied.

By signing them to exclusive deals means they can no longer work for people they used to be able to work for.

You used the "bar". I used the word "ban". Does it matter?

Are you really getting your panties in a twist about semantics? Or are you just being an argumentative dick?



You come out guns blazing insulting people, leave out the main part of an actual news item, but fuck me, Iím the dick.

You donít like WWE. We get it. Now piss off.


Matte - 11-27-2018 at 08:03 PM

Rumor: WWE just signed Progress World Champ WALTER to NXT UK.


williamssl - 11-27-2018 at 08:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Brad here

Hello, Mr. Maddox

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
your post is fucking misleading as all fuck.

Really? Seems basically identical to yours...let's see...

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
WWE has banned their UK guys from working non WWE/PROGRESS/ICW/WXW indy shows next year.


quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
NXT UK talent will be barred from wrestling anyone contracted to ROH, Impact, NJPW, WOS or other major promotions

Hmmm...

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I'm sure the resident WWE apologists will think this is fine,



quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
WWE apologist Brad here...This is good for WWE

OK...go on...

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I think it really hurts both the smaller, local indies


quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
For small indy promotions...yup, this sucks



Yes...OK...now where exactly is my post misleading and/or markedly different from yours?

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
So basically WWE is increasing their commitment to the UK market, their UK talent, and their UK partners. Fuck the WWE for wanting something pretty reasonable in return right?

No, fuck the WWE for being an immense fish in an very small pond and feeling the need to devour all the little fish for...what exactly? I mean there's lots of indie promotions/opportunities for US guys, but the Brits? I can't imagine there are a lot of great opportunities to wrestle outside of Progress, ICW, and WXW. It similar to if WWE were partners with Impact, ROH, and MLW. So now American guys contracted to NXT can't work for any companies outside of WWE, NXT, Impact, ROH, and MLW? I guess from a purely animalistic capitalistic POV that's fine for WWE, but from an industry POV with men and women eager for opportunities and well paying gigs, that's pretty shitty IMO.





YOUR ENTIRE POST IS IN ITALICS YOU DID THE BB CODE WRONG LOOK AT THAT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE ITALICS EVERYWHERE EVEN WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE WHAT A HORRIBLE POST FOR FORMATTING




EDIT:

^^^
That's so you don't go Paddlefoot on us on account of my post



EDIT2:

^^^
That's for Paddlefoot so he doesn't re-Paddlefoot on us

[Edited on 11-27-2018 by williamssl]


Paddlefoot - 11-27-2018 at 08:11 PM

Golly, what a mess I've created.


salmonjunkie - 11-27-2018 at 09:03 PM

YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!!


Glad you're still with us, though, Paddy.


williamssl - 11-27-2018 at 09:33 PM

How you said it:

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!!


Glad you're still with us, though, Paddy.




How Ccharger would have said it:

quote:
Originally posted by Ccharger
YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!!


Glad you're still with us, though, Paddy.




EDIT: whoops -

[Edited on 11-27-2018 by williamssl]


CCharger - 11-27-2018 at 10:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
No, it's not misleading. It's implied.

By signing them to exclusive deals means they can no longer work for people they used to be able to work for.

You used the "bar". I used the word "ban". Does it matter?

Are you really getting your panties in a twist about semantics? Or are you just being an argumentative dick?



You come out guns blazing insulting people, leave out the main part of an actual news item, but fuck me, Iím the dick.

You donít like WWE. We get it. Now piss off.

I wasn't insulting you. If I was insulting you I would have said, "BFG, you are a dick." Instead, I asked if you were being a dick on purpose.

The main part of the article? There was no article. There was a rumor/story about WWE not allowing its UK stars to work for non-WWE affiliated companies. The fact that they were signed to exclusive contracts is kind of redundant, donchya think? If they sign exclusive contracts that means they can't work for anyone else. So half a dozen of one, and six of another, I guess?

Lastly, it's no secret I'm no fan of WWE, but I'm not going to stop pointing out when it does shitty, stupid stuff. Not my problem if those truths upset you. Either way, I'm not pissing off anything except your back porch after I get done raw-dogging your mom.


In italics just for you, willie!



[Edited on 11-27-2018 by CCharger]


GodEatGod - 11-27-2018 at 10:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger


Lastly, it's no secret I'm no fan of WWE, but I'm not going to stop pointing out when it does shitty, stupid stuff. Not my problem if those truths upset you. Either way, I'm not pissing off anything except your back porch after I get done raw-dogging your mom.


[Edited on 11-27-2018 by CCharger]


Yes, we cannot handle your intense truth-telling. You are, indeed, the rebellious and daring iconoclast whom we all wish we could be. And you have definitely fucked all of our moms. You've really shown me the error of my ways. Nothing but Defiant Wrestling and old VHS tapes of CZW for me from here on out.


Paddlefoot - 11-27-2018 at 11:19 PM

quote:
[I]Originally posted by CCharger[/I]

...I'm not pissing off anything except your back porch after I get done raw-dogging your mom....




[Edited on 11/27/2018 by Paddlefoot]


bigfatgoalie - 11-27-2018 at 11:32 PM

Dave Meltzer has said that WALTER will be finishing up his indie dates in December. However, WALTER is not interested in moving to Florida because heís happy with his life in Germany and wants to continue living there. WALTER may do small tours for NXT (TV and Takeovers) but he will mostly be used by NXT UK, and NXT Germany when/if that launches.

WALTER also reportedly turned down New Japan Pro Wrestling.

While this deal is great for WALTER, it really hurts both the smaller, local indies AND the non-WWE workers trying to make a living off of it.


Paddlefoot - 11-27-2018 at 11:50 PM

It's also gotta be a slap to Vince because WALTER is now at least the second big indy name, after Jay Lethal, to basically indicate without saying it out loud that he's effectively not interested in the WWE main roster because what they do there is far too often way too damn stupid for words.


GodEatGod - 11-28-2018 at 12:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
It's also gotta be a slap to Vince because WALTER is now at least the second big indy name, after Jay Lethal, to basically indicate without saying it out loud that he's effectively not interested in the WWE main roster because what they do there is far too often way too damn stupid for words.


Jay Lethal's the most overrated guy on the indies. How he's a multi-time ROH champ I have no idea. The guy who got famous doing Black Machismo should probably not be so smug, I would wager.

WALTER seems to mostly want to stay in Europe, for which I can't blame him. I wouldn't want to move to the U.S. right now either.


Paddlefoot - 11-28-2018 at 12:15 AM

Lethal would still be right though, his own flaws notwithstanding, in that he'd probably end up on 205 Live jobbing out to whatever dumbass r-tarded "next-Enzo" idea Vince has cooked up for the small guys doing the flippy shit. ROH has it's own issues but having one of their champs end up as a joke on WWE just because the two wildly out of touch goofs that run the place think it's funny just reflects badly on the entire business.

Looking forward to a WALTER heel promo though, especially if gives a bad time to the announcers along the lines of "it's pronounced VALTER!, you schwein Englander scheisskopfs!".

[Edited on 11/28/2018 by Paddlefoot]


Matte - 11-28-2018 at 12:35 AM

Here's Pete Dunne's response to CCharger:



GodEatGod - 11-28-2018 at 12:36 AM

I don't disagree. It's the right move for Lethal to stay in the indies, where he has name recognition and a bit of a legacy. He'd just be another guy in WWE.


Flash - 11-28-2018 at 01:04 AM

Because nobody asked (I'm not complaining... it'd just be nice to be asked every now and then guys...), here's my opinion:

I figure anyone who signed on with the WWE knows what they are doing, rarely are these things done without lawyers anymore and if the Brit-talent figure this is good for them then hey; who am I to complain?

As for British wrestling... meh... you are always going to get a bit of a sucky situation when a big company can come in and buy talent in ways that the smaller guys can't compete with; but in saying that if the story weren't that the WWE were investing in UK wrestling at the moment I can't recall the last time UK wrestling was talked about.

This, in a round about way is probably going to be good for the UK wrestling scene as a lot of smaller promotions will swim in their wake... Those partners the WWE will work with will get a bump because now they are featuring world known WWE talent... the ones that are too small probably enjoy a bit of a bump as they'll be able to book around the occasional WWE show (Like when you get all the indies flocking on Wrestlemania cities) and build a following from there, or be able to take on being the anti-WWE promo by catering to non-WWE fans.

It's a market that a major corporation is interested in; I don't think that's a bad thing for the market.... If it were an exhaustible resource that'd be one thing, but wrestling is pretty evergreen as one generation inspires the next.


CCharger - 11-28-2018 at 01:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger


Lastly, it's no secret I'm no fan of WWE, but I'm not going to stop pointing out when it does shitty, stupid stuff. Not my problem if those truths upset you. Either way, I'm not pissing off anything except your back porch after I get done raw-dogging your mom.

[Edited on 11-27-2018 by CCharger]


Yes, we cannot handle your intense truth-telling. You are, indeed, the rebellious and daring iconoclast whom we all wish we could be. And you have definitely fucked all of our moms. You've really shown me the error of my ways. Nothing but Defiant Wrestling and old VHS tapes of CZW for me from here on out.



Wow. What a humorless person you are. Iím sad for you.


First 9 - 11-28-2018 at 03:00 AM

I don't think WWE are trying to be evil or anything, it's a country where wrestling shows are having noteworthy attendance on a weekly basis and it's place where you've done great busines every time you tour there of course they'll try to install a stronger presence there.

But yeah, this does fuck things up. For one thing it'll make it harder for any of the promotions to rise to a national level and beyond with WWE gobbling up stars when they get hot. Also promotions don't magically replenish everytime they get raided, just look at all the promotions and territories WWE(and WCW for a time) raided the shit out of and what happened to them, so small time indys not only have a concrete ceiling on top of them regarding their growth potential but a few of them might flat out die out. Eventually, the UK scene will adapt to WWE's presence and maybe a skilled group with the right backing might manage to work around WWE and be a big deal but in the mean time there will be blood like there always is when a huge company comes in to compete with the little guys.


GodEatGod - 11-28-2018 at 03:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Wow. What a humorless person you are. Iím sad for you.


If you think any of what you said was funny, you're the one deserving of pity.


CamstunPWG187 - 11-28-2018 at 03:34 AM

I just ate 5 egg whites, 2 yolks, 4 clementines, and a banana.

Itís pronounced EGG VITES, you SVINE!!!!


Paddlefoot - 11-28-2018 at 03:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
I just ate 5 egg whites, 2 yolks, 4 clementines, and a banana.

Itís pronounced EGG VITES, you SVINE!!!!


Non-English speaking foreigners type "jajajajajajaja" (pronounced "ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya") on the internet and social media to indicate laughter when emojis aren't available to use. Isn't that stupid?

[Edited on 11/28/2018 by Paddlefoot]


williamssl - 11-28-2018 at 05:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
I just ate...2 youlks



I just Cchargeríd and Canadianíd this




EDIT:

[Edited on 11-28-2018 by williamssl]


CVD39 - 11-28-2018 at 06:08 AM

Whoís WALTER? And why do we SHOUT HIS NAME?


nOOb - 11-28-2018 at 10:56 AM

I honestly think that they make half of these indy wrestlers up just to argue about their decisions they didnít make since theyíre not real people.


Gobshite - 11-28-2018 at 11:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CVD39
Whoís WALTER? And why do we SHOUT HIS NAME?


Heís going to be the first NXT Germany / NXT European Champion


CamstunPWG187 - 11-28-2018 at 02:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CVD39
Whoís WALTER? And why do we SHOUT HIS NAME?


His finisher involves him bending over and licking his own sweaty asshole whilst commentary proclaims how the vitamin B and Omegaís in his asshole sweat are great for sublingual ingestion.

[Edited on 11-28-2018 by CamstunPWG187]


Matte - 11-28-2018 at 02:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
and Omegaís in his asshole sweat

Wait, are we talking about WALTER or Kota Ibushi here?


CCharger - 11-28-2018 at 06:29 PM

* Kairi Sane tweeted that she is suffering from a serious case of hand-foot-mouth disease which I confused with hoof and mouth disease, which if I am not mistaken, is considered an STD in Canada.

* Just to fire up all those "CM Punk" chants, Mr. Brooks was asked about the supposed new promotion being started by Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks. He said that he "would listen" to an offer, but that "professional wrestling isn't really on my radar right now". It also sounds like Punk is going to be doing some color commentary for some smaller MMA promotions which seems like a good fit for him moving forward.


Paddlefoot - 11-28-2018 at 07:59 PM

STD? Paige-grade videos of Kairi about to become part of The Fappening's archive? Yass......


CCharger - 11-28-2018 at 08:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
STD? Paige-grade videos of Kairi about to become part of The Fappening's archive? Yass......

If you're looking for hot chicks with STDs and oozing oral sores, I'd suggest watching Total Divas.


Paddlefoot - 11-28-2018 at 08:20 PM

The fat chick ruined Total Divas the same way she ruins everything else.


First 9 - 11-28-2018 at 10:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

* Just to fire up all those "CM Punk" chants, Mr. Brooks was asked about the supposed new promotion being started by Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks. He said that he "would listen" to an offer, but that "professional wrestling isn't really on my radar right now". It also sounds like Punk is going to be doing some color commentary for some smaller MMA promotions which seems like a good fit for him moving forward.


Interview also has Punk say he was never made an offer to appear at All In but he doesn't leave it at that. He says ''I know Cody was out there in the media saying that an offer was made [for the All In event Sept. 1]. An offer was not made.''. It's probably nothing but a week ago Cody told a story about Booker T punking Punk out(excuse the pun) which Booker T quickly shot down.

Maybe there's something brewing there?


bigfatgoalie - 11-28-2018 at 10:24 PM

Can we just move on all ready? Bryan surpassed Punk a while ago. Weíve got Indy darlings like Steen, Black, and 90% of NXT to cheer for. Or outside WWE youíve got Omega, NJPW, and the Lucha Brothers.

Punk is a bitter prick. Let him do other things like comics, being a punching dummy, or not supporting his friends while people who actively like wrestling, actually wrestle and entertain.


Paddlefoot - 11-28-2018 at 10:26 PM

* in a positive sign that her injury situation is improving Alexa Bliss is doing training at TPC to get back into ring condition

* Kevin Owens is having too much fun on Twitter during his time off after knee surgery because he challenged Elton John to a fight at Wrestlemania

* FOX apparently wants Ronda Rousey to be sent to SD when the show joins them later next year to become the highlight performer of their Friday night line-up


Matte - 11-28-2018 at 10:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Interview also has Punk say he was never made an offer to appear at All In but he doesn't leave it at that. He says ''I know Cody was out there in the media saying that an offer was made [for the All In event Sept. 1]. An offer was not made.''.

And he doesn't leave it at that, either. He says that Cody texting him saying "if you want to do something at All In, that'd be cool" isn't an offer. Seems like a situation where Cody's "offer" was too casual for Punk to really take seriously.


Laruecifer - 11-28-2018 at 11:04 PM

The offer probably didn't have enough money attached


punkerhardcore - 11-28-2018 at 11:13 PM

Money schmoney. At some point a decade ago, Punk probably sneezed and Cody didn't tell him bless you, so Punk will hold a lifelong blood grudge against him.


anglefan85 - 11-29-2018 at 12:37 AM

Punk is definitely someone that can hold a grudge over the pettiest of reasons. Which is something that I imagine that Vince loves about the guy, even if he'll never admit to it.


Paddlefoot - 11-29-2018 at 12:45 AM

Not sure if this was discussed here after it happened so sorry in advance for repeating it. A week or so ago in some shit Mexican promotion during a hardcore match some nut hit his opponent in the head on purpose with a concrete block. It's basically something insane New Jack would do and something only a sadist would jerk off to:



Apparently the wrestler that got hit is now out of the hospital after surgery to remove a blood clot from his brain. No info on his long term career prospects but at a minimum he's lucky to even be alive:

https://411mania.com/wrestling/cuervo-released-hospital-following-concrete-block-incident/

This is why IMO hardcore is garbage and always has been. And it puts into better perspective why getting mad at WWE for certain things that they still unfortunately do is kind of misplacing the anger and disgust. Obviously there are way worse things happening out there among the trash promotions that no decent human should be either participating in, promoting, or watching as a fan.

[Edited on 11/29/2018 by Paddlefoot]


Count Zero - 11-29-2018 at 01:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Golly, what a mess I've created.
I'm just glad it wasn't me! I accidentally exploded a discord server a week or so ago. (Friggin mmo-gamers & drama, I swear to god.) A belated WELCOME BACK, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T REALLY GO AWAY FOR VERY LONG from me.

Buenos returnos, Pattafootz.

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
I just ate 5 egg whites, 2 yolks, 4 clementines, and a banana.

Itís pronounced EGG VITES, you SVINE!!!!


Non-English speaking foreigners type "jajajajajajaja" (pronounced "ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya") on the internet and social media to indicate laughter when emojis aren't available to use. Isn't that veird?

[Edited on 11/28/2018 by Paddlefoot]
Sometimes they use "jejejeje" because it's like heeeheehehetc, and FTFY, and NOW IS THE TIME ON SPROCKETS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MONKEY!!!!



[Edited on 11-29-2018 by Count Zero]


Paddlefoot - 11-29-2018 at 01:30 AM

Touch the monkey! Touch him! Love him! Just don't throw a concrete block at him!


Il Palazzo - 11-29-2018 at 06:56 PM

I feel vaguely bad that I keep thinking "if only Lucha Underground's cinder blocks were that effective/realistic."


SpiNNeR72 - 11-30-2018 at 01:50 PM

I wouldn't worry.

WWE is actively advertising a known racist and sexist as having hands like cinder blocks...


Count Zero - 11-30-2018 at 05:54 PM

I had -literally- the most unexpected dream last night. Lemme 'splain, Lucy.

I have seen -nothing- of Lars Whatever, except the promo for him on last week's RAW (while I was flipping around, I caught it by chance). I have read that he's "pretty good for a big guy" at least in NXT. Those two things are all I know about Lars.

So last night I dreamt (dreamed?) that he was having a 5* match with I Forget Who His Opponent was, and he was busting out the Lucha moves all the hell over the place. The crowd was going batcrap crazy.

There is no "punchline" here. Just... so weird. If I was having some kind of premonition, the WWEVerse will love him. If I was having some kind of brain malfunction, I'll let you all know when I get out of the mental health system.


First 9 - 11-30-2018 at 06:52 PM

Well, he did just face a guy whose just as big as him who can do crazy lucha moves so your dreams weren't that far off.


Count Zero - 12-1-2018 at 12:39 AM

Just to clarify, Lars was the one popping Asai Moonsaults and such all over the place. But yeah, I guess maybe I'm an unofficial OOracle of things wrestling. Nifty.


the goon - 12-1-2018 at 03:12 AM

Gossip sites are reporting that Aleister Black and Zelina Vega got married. File that under "two people I didn't even know were dating, nor would I ever suspect they were."


bigfatgoalie - 12-1-2018 at 03:14 AM

So apparently Aleister likes his women like his kicks....spinners.


janerd75 - 12-1-2018 at 04:58 AM

Kind of a strange way to propose I suppose, but I otherwise don't know how y'alls millennials do it these days what with your avocado toasts and crushing financial debts. Congrats regardless!



Golly! she's like a mocha Fleshlight with mixed and sundry articulating female Mrs. Patata Cabeza appendages attached when compared to him. Black Mass? More like Ripped ASS, amirite fellOOw misogymnasts?!

The icOOnic BOOardies...Cumming sOOn!!!!!!!!!!


Paddlefoot - 12-2-2018 at 12:09 AM

* Wendi Richter shreds on Fabulous Moolah:

https://411mania.com/wrestling/wendi-richter-says-fabulous-moolah-evil-person/

quote:
ď[My relationship with Moolah] was never good. She never helped get me to the main event. She used me kinda like Elvis Presleyís manager. She got 25% of my pay and there were times I didnít even know what I got paid. She would cut me a check and so I had to stop that. Once I started wrestling, the promoters were asking for me and she didnít promote me. There were times they tried to get me and she told them I was booked and I wasnít. I think she was a very hateful person and Iíve never been around anyone that was as hateful and spoke so coarsely. I mean she was worse than a sailor. I never heard anyone cuss and her cuss combinations and the way she talked about people, Iíd never been around that and I wasnít around it very long because thatís the opposite of what I want to surround myself with. Iím a positive; I look forward to things. I try to speak kind of people or donít say anything, but she hurt me anytime she could and I realized that early on. She was an evil person and I didnít ever want to be around her. They [WWE] contacted me a long time after that [screwjob] and wanted me to do a battle royal and I said, ĎIs Moolah gonna be in it?í I wanted to get back at her. She was already dead and gone to hell, so I never got to wrestle her again.Ē


Ouch!



janerd75 - 12-2-2018 at 12:33 AM

What?! This sweet darling angel?!? The hell you say!



Geez o' Pete I sure am glad lady wrasslin' has come as far as it has since those days.


Matte - 12-4-2018 at 05:27 PM

Rumor: One day the Young Bucks will wrestle The Revival & everyone will rejoice. Remember this post.






First 9 - 12-4-2018 at 06:46 PM

Apparently,an HBO documentary about Kenny Omega and his Golden Lovers storyline is set to be released next year.

If this becomes a big deal I wonder if WWE would try to copy it.

[Edited on 12-4-2018 by First 9]


DKBroiler - 12-4-2018 at 09:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Rumor: One day the Young Bucks will wrestle The Revival & everyone will rejoice. Remember this post.








Meh.


Paddlefoot - 12-4-2018 at 09:42 PM

* Alexa Bliss has been cleared to return to the ring - new info on her injury says that it was a second concussion that came too soon after the first one and that it was causing her vertigo and memory loss

* in a sign that he also could be returning soon from injury down-time, Fandango is now training at TPC in Florida - welcome back, 'dango, easy warm up for you tonight, just a quick 20-second squash to AOPP

* Y2J beat up a drunk fan who tried to force his way onto the Fozzy tour bus after a gig in Canada last night; apparently the drunk roughed up a Fozzy roadie first, breaking the kid's collarbone; when Jericho found out what happened he stormed off the bus, hit the drunk with a full-force spear, and clobbered him with a flurry of punches; others then intervened and held the drunk down until the police arrived

* WWE Tribute to the Troops is being recorded today; both Roman Reigns and Braun Strowman are going to appear at the event and apparently some kind of confrontation between Becky Lynch and Ronda Rousey is going to happen too; the show will be broadcast on Dec 20


CamstunPWG187 - 12-5-2018 at 01:12 AM

Jericho is in full-on ďIím the fucking manĒ mode these days, and itís making me like him more than i ever have.


ulsterphil - 12-5-2018 at 12:13 PM

Long time hatchet-holder, Tom Billington aka Dynamite Kid has died on his 60th birthday.

I expect the briefest of nods and not much else from WWE.


nOOb - 12-5-2018 at 12:50 PM

Instead they hailed him as a cruiserweight pioneer and gave him a nice blurb.

Davey Boy should have already been inducted by now, maybe now that there wouldnít be a chance for crotchety-ness in the induction speech they should just indict the Bulldogs together?


First 9 - 12-5-2018 at 01:12 PM

I think it'd be in poor taste because it's well documented how much DK hated/disliked Davey Boy for taking the British Bulldog name, heading to WWE without telling him and apparently not checking on him when he got injured.

Also, according to Bret DK relentlessly bullied Davey Boy.

[Edited on 12-5-2018 by First 9]


ulsterphil - 12-5-2018 at 03:39 PM

By most accounts Dynamite was a bit of an asshole and not fondly remembered by his peers.


salmonjunkie - 12-5-2018 at 04:44 PM

I read Dynamite's autobiography, and after I finished it, I thought that he was a bitter prick - and despite having legit things to be bitter about (losing his body to a career he was very passionate about and undoubtedly a pioneer of), he was a bully and an asshole even before that. I understand why he was angry at Davey all those years, but I tend to think if he wasn't such a dick, Davey wouldn't have done what he did. That said, I saw that Harry/DBS Jr. tweeted an RIP with a picture of he and DK from last year, so I guess he did good with Davey's son.

I really enjoyed his ring work - which was tremendous and pretty damn groundbreaking, the tag team with Davey which was one of my favorites of the 80s, and how he inspired so many wrestlers I enjoyed watching (including and especially Voldemort).

RIP Tom. You were awesome to watch, disturbing to read about, but I'm glad to hear you're not in pain anymore.

[Edited on 12-5-2018 by salmonjunkie]


DKBroiler - 12-5-2018 at 06:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
I think it'd be in poor taste because it's well documented how much DK hated/disliked Davey Boy for taking the British Bulldog name, heading to WWE without telling him and apparently not checking on him when he got injured.

Also, according to Bret DK relentlessly bullied Davey Boy.

[Edited on 12-5-2018 by First 9]


No I didnít! Fake News! SAD!!!!


Paddlefoot - 12-5-2018 at 09:07 PM

That story Bruce Hart has where he was trapped in their locked-up travel van in small-town Alberta while a coked-up Dynamite, Davey, and a couple of other wrestlers were trying to get in and kick the shit out of him remains priceless. Apparently it had something to do with paycheques bouncing or being booked "wrong", in Dynamite's opinion, by Bruce when he was managing Stampede Wrestling in it's last days. Can only imagine what it looked like from inside the van, with a pack of roided-up and heavily stoned meathead wrestlers circling around trying to rip the doors off the vehicle like a bunch of rabid bears. And Bruce Hart was family to them too.


salmonjunkie - 12-5-2018 at 11:03 PM

Everything I've read about Bruce Hart makes him sound like quite the piece of work as well.


Paddlefoot - 12-6-2018 at 12:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Everything I've read about Bruce Hart makes him sound like quite the piece of work as well.


True. Bruce was one of the siblings who kept bothering Bret about reconciling with WWE long before Bret actually did it. It was apparently because Bruce was under some sort of delusion that there was a lifetime job waiting there for him that Bret was blocking by being enraged about the Screwjob and what happened to Owen.

The Harts come in two varieties - the decent ones (Stu, Helen, Owen, Keith (he became a firefighter), Nattie), and Bret (most of the time, despite his big mouth episodes when he loses it and shits unmercifully off of someone in the industry that's pissed him off for whatever reason (e.g. Triple H, Seth Rollins, etc). Or they're ones that are pure carny who are always on the make for either money off of Bret's/Owen's legacies or for shot at the big circus again. Luckily as the siblings are all advanced in age now they don't make as much noise about these things as they did in the wake of the Screwjob. Just like any other family out there, I guess, some are great and some aren't worth the time of day.


* apparently the VIP Axxess meet-and-greet/autograph session with Becky Lynch on Royal Rumble weekend sold out online in only 90 seconds


CCharger - 12-6-2018 at 01:09 AM

Mondayís RAW was the second lowest rated of all time, and the lowest rated in 23 years.


CamstunPWG187 - 12-6-2018 at 02:34 AM

*in Skinner tone*

ďCould we be so out of touch? No. No, itís the fans who are wrongĒ


Count Zero - 12-6-2018 at 03:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

* in a sign that he also could be returning soon from injury down-time, Fandango is now training at TPC in Florida - welcome back, 'dango, easy warm up for you tonight, just a quick 20-second squash to AOPP
The Authors Of Penis Pain?

.... Yeah, alls I gots these days is dick jokes.


Katie Vick killer - 12-6-2018 at 05:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Mondayís RAW was the second lowest rated of all time, and the lowest rated in 23 years.


That's 1995, Raw was running on Diesel power back then. No Bret was Champ again by December. I really wanted to be Nash. Regardless, the height of the new generation.


salmonjunkie - 12-6-2018 at 03:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot

* in a sign that he also could be returning soon from injury down-time, Fandango is now training at TPC in Florida - welcome back, 'dango, easy warm up for you tonight, just a quick 20-second squash to AOPP


A is for Authors, O is for Other, P is for People, scratch the temple. The other P, well that's not that simple.


[Edited on 12-6-2018 by salmonjunkie]


CCharger - 12-6-2018 at 04:29 PM

* RAW was not the only WWE show doing poorly in the ratings. This week's Smackdown also saw a historic low. Ratings were down 14% from the previous week. It was the second lowest rated Smackdown since moving to Tuesdays. Outside of Election Night, 2016 this is the lowest SmackDown audience for a first-run non-holiday episode. As some WWE apologist will point out, viewing habits are changing and there are many more entertainment options now than in the past. So, perhaps its informative to compare Smackdown's performance to other cable shows now rather than 10 or 20 years ago. Smackdown was the 10th rated show on cable. Curse of Oak Island and Below Deck scored higher ratings.


nOOb - 12-6-2018 at 06:35 PM

WWE has the Network now, so I'm sure they don't care all that much, unless they start seeing less people show up to the events. It is one of the things I can appreciate from whoever started the whole "paying attention to hastags" thing: a week's worth of social media information will tell you a lot more about how popular your show is than a few millions boxes in the houses of people who don't mind other people regularly knowing what they're watching (and actually still watch live TV on a daily basis). I feel like more shows should start doing that. Maybe they'd cancel fewer good shows and start cancelling the shit that's been on for 8+ seasons (looking at you Modern Family and Big Bang).


Paddlefoot - 12-6-2018 at 06:43 PM

^
^
^
apologist!
apologist!
apologist!

(just goofin')

[Edited on 12/7/2018 by Paddlefoot]


First 9 - 12-6-2018 at 07:03 PM

Unless the shows do advertising within the show, ratings still matter more than social media activity. With that said, I don't think WWE is panicking just quite yet.

They have plenty of old part timers they could show shoehorn in, they could blow their wad and do big matches that should be saved for PPV, they could do special event RAWs but they aren't doing any of that. They're just playing it safe with pointless tag matches and the same old segments.

Back in 2012 when they hit a record low, they did CM Punk vs Vince the following week, back in 2007 they begged Shawn Michaels to come back early, now it's just business as usual. It obviously isn't good that the numbers keep going low but it seems it's not low enough to give them concerns.


janerd75 - 12-6-2018 at 07:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
As some WWE apologist will point out...





DKBroiler - 12-7-2018 at 12:05 AM

This will probably sound funny coming from me but they should probably fix Raw just by letting Rollins wrestle a 2 hour match.


bigfatgoalie - 12-7-2018 at 02:12 AM

Im guessing this

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Pretty much everything gets poor ratings compared to say 1998. For as bad as the rating may look, the show was ninth for the night on cable, trailing NFL-related and news programming, but beating all other entertainment shows.

What is concerning is that audience dropped 19 percent from the first to third hour, one of the bigger drops in history. It included a 35 percent drop from the first to third hour amonge teenage girls.



was the basis for CCís apologist comments. I though that was a reasonable approach, pointing out the record low should be less concerning than the drop from hours 1 to 3.

And letís talk about current shows...

quote:
Originally posted by CChargerCurse of Oak Island and Below Deck scored higher ratings.


Higher viewers. They all had the same 0.7 rating in the 18-49 demo.

Last week SmackDown had 2.264 millions viewers. That was up from 2.150 the week before. This week it had 1.948. All 3 weeks it had a 0.7 rating in the 18-49 demo.

Curse of Oak Island had 3.408 million viewers last week, and 2.914 the week before. This week it had 3.302.

Below Deck had 1.673 million viewers last week, and 1.403 the week before. This week it had 1.948. Whatever this show is, it appears to be gaining new viewers.

A couple of things...those shows are apparently popular. Good for them.

Again, all 3 shows had a 0.7 rating in the 18-49 demo this week. So from an ad rate perspective, SmackDown is holding strong despite competition from Curse and Below Deck. And again...those shows are apparently popular.

Side note...all 3 shows were trumped by college basketball 3 weeks ago, but have bounced back while the last 2 weeks of college basketball has had a huge drop. This week it had a 0.3 rating in the demo.

Should ESPN be concerned? No.

Hell, in comparison ESPN had the top 3 spots on Wednesday with Spurs/Lakers, Raptors/76ers, and After The Buzzer. Those shows had 1.816, 1.643, and 1.247 million viewers.

Again...should ESPN be concerned? Actually...no. The Raptors game has got a lot of attention in Canada, and people have pointed out that the ďspotlightĒ game last year of Warriors vs Hornets did 1.1 million viewers. So the 1.643 for Raps/76ers is seen as proof that the Raptors are no longer ratings poison in the US.

What was the point of all that?

Fans should be more concerned over whether the shows were good or not, and not so much about ratings.

Would WWE and Comcast/USA prefer higher ratings? Of course. But for fans, we should care more that SmackDown was apparently a fun show (or at least the Daniel Bryan segment was), and RAW was all kinds of terrible.


Paddlefoot - 12-7-2018 at 02:42 AM

More importantly SD is usually better because Vince doesn't write it or, in the case of this week's RAW, apparently re-wrote the entire thing just a few hours before broadcast.

Tilting at windmills as usual, boys. As long as Vince is in total control and can do what he wants then the quality of any given RAW will always be a crap shoot at best. Nothing new about this situation at all. In fact it's all too depressingly familiar and still following a pattern that goes back for years.


Count Zero - 12-7-2018 at 03:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* in a sign that he also could be returning soon from injury down-time, Fandango is now training at TPC in Florida - welcome back, 'dango, easy warm up for you tonight, just a quick 20-second squash to AOPP

A is for Authors, O is for Other, P is for People, scratch the temple. The other P, well that's not that simple.

This is AWESOME *Clap clap clapclapclap*

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Again...should ESPN be concerned? Actually...no. The Raptors game has got a lot of attention in Canada, and people have pointed out that the ďspotlightĒ game last year of Warriors vs Hornets did 1.1 million viewers. So the 1.643 for Raps/76ers is seen as proof that the Raptors are no longer ratings poison in the US..
The funniest thing about this is that ESPN/TSN have a "partnership" (or ESPN owns a significant portion of TSN, depending on who you listen to), and the ESPN Spotlight Game Of The WEEK of the CENTURY was on .... Rogers Sportsnet, because TSN needed to carry curling on 4 out of 5 feeds.

So if I were ESPN, I wouldn't really be "worried", but I'd ditch TSN and hook up with The Dishonorable Opposition.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled stuff 'n' things.

[Edited on 12-7-2018 by Count Zero]


GodEatGod - 12-7-2018 at 05:05 AM

The phrase "WWE apologist" is just hilarious to me. It's a fucking wrestling company, not a despotic regime or a religious sect. I don't have to apologize for liking what I fucking like.


Paddlefoot - 12-7-2018 at 05:28 AM

OO 2019 - The Apologist Wars


CCharger - 12-7-2018 at 01:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
The phrase "WWE apologist" is just hilarious to me. It's a fucking wrestling company, not a despotic regime or a religious sect. I don't have to apologize for liking what I fucking like.

Apology accepted.


punkerhardcore - 12-7-2018 at 04:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
The phrase "WWE apologist" is just hilarious to me.



Maybe so... but like any television show, tons of people will argue that something is awesome, no matter how trashy or awful it is.

One may not need to justify something like Real Housewives of Wherethefuckever. But don't sit there and have a debate with me over how good it is, or how I don't get it, etc. Too often, people are reluctant to simply call a spade a spade and say, "You know what, you're right-- this is fucking garbage, but whatever--it's a guilty pleasure I still enjoy it for some reason." That's the difference.


nOOb - 12-7-2018 at 06:34 PM

For the record, I donít ďapologizeĒ for anything. I acknowledge and understand where you guys are coming from, but be very clear: I am not sorry.

What am I supposed to be not sorry for, again? I got lost five or six posts ago.


bigfatgoalie - 12-7-2018 at 06:34 PM

Didnít everybody who commented on RAW have complaints? Were there parts people enjoyed? Sure. But itís not like anybody was giving it the ďomg. best. raw. evah!Ē treatment.


G. Jonah Jameson - 12-7-2018 at 06:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Maybe so... but like any television show, tons of people will argue that something is awesome, no matter how trashy or awful it is.

One may not need to justify something like Real Housewives of Wherethefuckever. But don't sit there and have a debate with me over how good it is, or how I don't get it, etc. Too often, people are reluctant to simply call a spade a spade and say, "You know what, you're right-- this is fucking garbage, but whatever--it's a guilty pleasure I still enjoy it for some reason." That's the difference.


So who's the ultimate arbiter on whether something is legitimately good? Because it would be helpful for me to know whether I'm allowed to like something on its own merits, or whether I can only like it ironically.

Seriously, guys, we're talking about pro wrestling here, not "Breaking Bad." We can look at TV shows in the "Real Housewives" vein as crap, because a huge proportion of the viewing public would consider them to be crap, but there's an equally huge proportion of the viewing public that would consider all pro wrestling to be crap. I don't have a problem with someone saying "I hated this particular segment of SmackDown!," or even with someone saying "I hated this entire episode of RAW," but this kind of "This was objectively terrible and it's impossible for anyone to think it was good" nonsense is what really steams my hams.

And look, I'm not saying that happens all the time here; 95% of the time, if I see that kind of attitude, it's on the unfortunate occasions when I read wrestling discussion elsewhere on the Internet. And it's super-rare for anyone here to be a complete dick about it. I just don't think I should have to admit something was bad before I say I liked it.


SpiNNeR72 - 12-7-2018 at 07:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
The phrase "WWE apologist" is just hilarious to me.


Maybe so... but like any television show, tons of people will argue that something is awesome, no matter how trashy or awful it is.



I'll bite here. But its just a simple rehash of the pizza analogy. Sure, it was far from the best RAW ever, but it's still one of the top 3 (behind NXT and SD) wrestling shows on TV and that alone makes it better than anything else for me. I simply never get bored with wrestling the way I do with other TV shows.


Paddlefoot - 12-7-2018 at 11:06 PM

* more random Twitter viciousness by The Man



janerd75 - 12-8-2018 at 02:14 AM


Count Zero - 12-8-2018 at 03:26 AM

I hope Charlotte called the fire department, because that was a SICK BURN.

Golly.


Paddlefoot - 12-8-2018 at 07:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75



Those previous cans were defective! What the fuck kind of a commie name is "Navin Johnson" anyway?!?!?!?



Aw.

SAY YOUR PRAYERS, HALFBREED!




[Edited on 12/8/2018 by Paddlefoot]


janerd75 - 12-8-2018 at 08:27 AM





Check out the date it was posted. It's okay I'm not breaking kayfabe they legit hate each other now. Legit. Like, totally. To the max.

[Edited on 12-8-2018 by janerd75]


Paddlefoot - 12-9-2018 at 03:53 AM

* bad situation for Big Cass tonight; he was doing autograph signings in the lobby of the old ECW Arena in Philly during the intermission of a House of Hardcore event he was going to wrestle at later when he got knocked down by a sudden and violent seizure; he was taken to hospital but there's no word right now on his condition





[Edited on 12/9/2018 by Paddlefoot]


dxlevy72 - 12-9-2018 at 08:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
For the record, I donít ďapologizeĒ for anything. I acknowledge and understand where you guys are coming from, but be very clear: I am not sorry.

What am I supposed to be not sorry for, again? I got lost five or six posts ago.


An apologist is one who defends something, not one who offers an apology for something.


williamssl - 12-9-2018 at 08:38 PM

THE BooARDIES ARE HERE!


Paddlefoot - 12-10-2018 at 05:19 AM

* word from Tommy Dreamer is that Big Cass is doing OK and able to move around on his own after the seizure he suffered at the House of Hardcore event last night - obviously though Cass will be starting the medical examination procedure to determine what he's suffering from that caused the episode in the first place

[Edited on 12/10/2018 by Paddlefoot]


punkerhardcore - 12-10-2018 at 05:31 AM

So what's the over/under on the number of "how ya doin'?" messages he's received in the past day?


Paddlefoot - 12-10-2018 at 06:24 AM

If he had a dime for every time he had a seizure and stayed down he'd have 10 cents by now. [/toosoon?]

Seriously, hope he's OK. It's probably something caused by the early appearance of concussion syndrome because he's probably got at least a couple of them the same way everyone else in the business does eventually.

[Edited on 12/10/2018 by Paddlefoot]


Matte - 12-10-2018 at 02:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
If he had a dime for every time he had a seizure and stayed down he'd have 10 cents by now. [/toosoon?]



SpiNNeR72 - 12-10-2018 at 08:49 PM

They will return.

And we will fucking love it.


FICKLE!


Wickedfrost - 12-10-2018 at 08:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oysm8l9LhIE

So the XFL is going to be a thing again?


Matte - 12-10-2018 at 09:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Wickedfrost
So the XFL is going to be a thing again?

Yup. Announced at the beginning of the year.

http://oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=32783


PB-13 - 12-11-2018 at 05:35 AM

St. Louis is getting an XFL team. First the Rams and now this...


janerd75 - 12-11-2018 at 07:46 AM

https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/12/ric-flair-cleared-to-get-back-in-ring-again


CCharger - 12-11-2018 at 01:50 PM

* AJ Styles contract expires in April and he is currently negotiating a new deal and all indications are he will return. Conversely, Anderson and Gallows contract expires in September and all indications are that they will not re-sign and will pursue opportunities outside the WWE. Meanwhile, Cody Rhodes said in an interview that he had turned down a contract offer from the WWE within the last three weeks.


the goon - 12-11-2018 at 08:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* AJ Styles contract expires in April and he is currently negotiating a new deal and all indications are he will return.


I read on one of the gossip sites that AJ/Orton is currently penciled in for WrestleMania. I'd be okay with that, as I always kind of figured that Orton's current gimmick of attacking the veterans on Smackdown was going to culminate with him feuding with AJ. Not to mention I recall those two having a good match together on Smackdown a ways back, so I'm sure they would deliver at WrestleMania.


CCharger - 12-12-2018 at 07:06 PM

* RAW's ratings continue their unprecedented plummet. This past week's RAW recorded it's record low EVER which beat the record set by the previous week - falling a full 4% in viewership. It is being projected that next week's RAW third hour will likely fall under 2 million viewers for the first time ever. This week's show, while having the overall lowest rating ever, also had the lowest 2nd and 3rd hour ratings in the show's history. The show fell 18% from hour 1 to hour 3.


DKBroiler - 12-12-2018 at 07:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* RAW's ratings continue their unprecedented plummet. This past week's RAW recorded it's record low EVER which beat the record set by the previous week - falling a full 4% in viewership. It is being projected that next week's RAW third hour will likely fall under 2 million viewers for the first time ever. This week's show, while having the overall lowest rating ever, also had the lowest 2nd and 3rd hour ratings in the show's history. The show fell 18% from hour 1 to hour 3.



Damn you Baron Corbin!


In all seriousness ... maybe ... just maybe ... itís because all of the following people are out.

Reigns
Cena
HHH
Undertaker
Kane
Owens
Zayn
Braun
Alexa

Say what you will about the old guys I mentioned but they draw eyeballs. Owens and Zayn are a HUGE gap in entertainment filled by only really Elias. Add in that I think we have reached the jump the shark point on the womanís evolution - Nattie and Nia having monologues, címon - and itís just too much missing at one point.

Thatís before we get to other things. We all know ratings are down everywhere but there are a lot of eyeballs going to other things. Me, for instance, watch NBA basketball all the time. Itís a better product than ever. Add in things like Red Dead and trying to have a modicum of a social life and RAM just isnít appointment viewing. Iíll watch it when I watch it.

Call it hot shotting if you like but they really need to throw a bag of money at Batista, The Rock or someone similar. Normally Iíd say thatís unsustainable but they really only need some star power for a few months.

If only they had a Universal Champion ... sigh.

If they want to pop a rating maybe have Brock wrestle a fucking match on TV?


CCharger - 12-12-2018 at 08:32 PM

There are probably a lot of factors driving this ratings dive. It's worth noting that RAW still ranks in the top 10 highest rated shows in it's time slot - beaten only by the NFL. It's far and away USA's highest rated show and basically the only thing keeping that network from going under. It's also fair to point out that WWE has seen declines in merchandise sales and live event attendance, but it is still making money hand over fist.

As someone (Meltzer?) pointed out, the WWE has found a way to make more money from fewer people as opposed to past eras.

Still, this HAS to be concerning for Fox, no? You just spent a billion dollars for a product that is losing eyeballs at a record pace. Wouldn't that give you nervous diarrhea?

[Edited on 12-12-2018 by CCharger]


salmonjunkie - 12-12-2018 at 09:13 PM

Is it less eyeballs though? What it really is is less eyeballs in the US at the time it airs. They have the next day replay on Hulu, clips from WWE.com and their Youtube channel. Do the ratings include cord cutters who watch it via services like Sling and Playstation Vue? And I believe Raw and Smackdown are broadcast on more countries now than before. And if not Raw and Smackdown, then whatever package shows they put together for those foreign markets. I wouldn't doubt if there are actually more people watching the show in some form or fashion now then ever, whether it's the whole show or bits and pieces of the show, just not at 8pm-11pm on Mondays.


GodEatGod - 12-12-2018 at 09:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Is it less eyeballs though? What it really is is less eyeballs in the US at the time it airs. They have the next day replay on Hulu, clips from WWE.com and their Youtube channel. Do the ratings include cord cutters who watch it via services like Sling and Playstation Vue? And I believe Raw and Smackdown are broadcast on more countries now than before. And if not Raw and Smackdown, then whatever package shows they put together for those foreign markets. I wouldn't doubt if there are actually more people watching the show in some form or fashion now then ever, whether it's the whole show or bits and pieces of the show, just not at 8pm-11pm on Mondays.


Yup, all of this. It's just that Meltzer is an old man who still takes note of the ratings every week habitually stemming back to 20 years ago and most wrestling news aggregates just regurgitate whatever he puts in the Observer every week, so our fandom is continually forced to discuss increasingly irrelevant statistics that only actually mattered to their advertisers in the first place.


DKBroiler - 12-12-2018 at 10:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
There are probably a lot of factors driving this ratings dive. It's worth noting that RAW still ranks in the top 10 highest rated shows in it's time slot - beaten only by the NFL. It's far and away USA's highest rated show and basically the only thing keeping that network from going under. It's also fair to point out that WWE has seen declines in merchandise sales and live event attendance, but it is still making money hand over fist.

As someone (Meltzer?) pointed out, the WWE has found a way to make more money from fewer people as opposed to past eras.

Still, this HAS to be concerning for Fox, no? You just spent a billion dollars for a product that is losing eyeballs at a record pace. Wouldn't that give you nervous diarrhea?

[Edited on 12-12-2018 by CCharger]



Fox has 2 major ... ahem ... Trump cards they can play though. While I doubt weíll see much cross promotion on Faux News, I guarantee there will be a metric ass ton of it during NFL games.

My rough math says that Fox will need to make about 4 million bucks a week on advertising revenue to break even on the WWE deal, and that should be accomplished easily with NFL ads promoting WWE which in turn promotes Coca-Cola or Ford or whatever. And if that doesnít work they can always just sell the ad space on the wrestlers trunks like Brock does with Jimmie Johns. Worst case we just end up with ďAT&T presents WWE Smackdown Live on FoxĒ.

Long story short, Iím not worried about Fox. Those guys know how to make money and how to get sheople to watch. Thatís kind of their thing.


williamssl - 12-12-2018 at 11:24 PM

Additionally, Smackdown doesn't debut on Fox for another 10 months.

If things look like this 6 months from now I'm confident there will be enough less-than-subtle pressure coming from our side to fix this shit.


bigfatgoalie - 12-13-2018 at 02:02 AM

Hereís an alternate take...RAW and SmackDown are getting really good social media ratings.

https://www.nielsensocial.com/socialcontentratings/weekly/

Raw sits at 2nd for the week, SmackDown is 3rd. That is over shows like The Voice on NBC.

Fox and USA are paying for live programming. Advertisers typically pay a premium for shows that are watched during their initial broadcast. People live tweeting during shows indicates a higher than normal level of interaction and investment in the program.

Should any of that matter to us? Fuck no.


CCharger - 12-13-2018 at 04:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Hereís an alternate take...RAW and SmackDown are getting really good social media ratings.

https://www.nielsensocial.com/socialcontentratings/weekly/

Raw sits at 2nd for the week, SmackDown is 3rd. That is over shows like The Voice on NBC.

Fox and USA are paying for live programming. Advertisers typically pay a premium for shows that are watched during their initial broadcast. People live tweeting during shows indicates a higher than normal level of interaction and investment in the program.

Should any of that matter to us? Fuck no.

A quick search of Twitter will indicate that tweets about Raw the last two or three weeks were by and large negative. So, I guess if you are loving by the adage that bad publicity is better than none at all, you have a point.


bigfatgoalie - 12-13-2018 at 05:14 AM

My post was simply another way at looking at viewership. The WWE has a loyal, and engaged audience. Yes, this matters to people who should care about ratings...not us.

In the RAW thread I mentioned how the show was bad. Most people posting did. So I would not be shocked to see many people tweeting that the show was bad. Because again, the show was bad.

But in a discussion about how many eyeballs the WWE attracts, yes, those hate watching still count.


janerd75 - 12-13-2018 at 06:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler

Fox has 2 major ... ahem ... Trump cards they can play though. While I doubt weíll see much cross promotion on Faux News, I guarantee there will be a metric ass ton of it during NFL games.



CORRECT, you fargin' icehole somanumb batchin bastitch!



His name is Buck and he likes to... permissibly engage in an evening of sensible contractually negotiated and obligated discreet missionary intercourse every other month lasting no more and no less than three to five minutes of meekly respectable thrusting with no eye contact at The Missus' discretion whilest Troy sheds a singular tear that achingly rolls down his rugged cheek as he whales mercilessly on his closeted donger from behind safety of the two-way mirror BDSM saferoom he secretly had installed in the Buck household to keep tabs on his most precious of possessions.

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http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/forumdisplay.php?fid=36

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=33504


CCharger - 12-13-2018 at 01:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie

But in a discussion about how many eyeballs the WWE attracts, yes, those hate watching still count.

This is a fair and valid point, but it shouldn't be used to dismiss that fact that many people are not watching the product because of how much it has sucked. Is that the only reason ratings are down? Certainly not. But to see a precipitous and unprecedented drop in viewership coincide with two or three weeks of bad television is something to consider.

But it is likely that you're right. Ratings are - ahem - over-rated. WWE is on pace for 2018 to be it's most profitable in history according to Forbes despite falling ratings and bad press.


DKBroiler - 12-13-2018 at 06:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler

Fox has 2 major ... ahem ... Trump cards they can play though. While I doubt weíll see much cross promotion on Faux News, I guarantee there will be a metric ass ton of it during NFL games.



CORRECT, you fargin' icehole somanumb batchin bastitch!



His name is Buck and he likes to... permissibly engage in an evening of sensible contractually negotiated and obligated discreet missionary intercourse every other month lasting no more and no less than three to five minutes of meekly respectable thrusting with no eye contact at The Missus' discretion whilest Troy sheds a singular tear that achingly rolls down his rugged cheek as he whales mercilessly on his closeted donger from behind safety of the two-way mirror BDSM saferoom he secretly had installed in the Buck household to keep tabs on his most precious of possessions.

#VoteDK4SomethingSomething #AVote4DKIsAVote2NukeJersey #VoteJannyInstead #AVote4JannyIsAVote4TheNukes2Fly #JannyLiterallyWillKillUsAll #SeriouslyI'mNotJoking #VoteJannyAndWeAllDie #JesusFuckingChristSomebodyDoSomethingHe'sInsane #HEREALLYMEANSIT #ISwearIWillFuckingKillAllOfYou #Allegedly4LegalReasons #HE #WILL #KILL #US #ALL #icOOnic

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/forumdisplay.php?fid=36

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=33504



I heart you.

Somebody mark this for an award.

On a side note, The Ringer posted a really long oral history of how Fox bought the NFL rights many years ago. Itís pretty apt for the WWE - Fox conversation.

Here is the link.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/12/13/18137938/nfl-fox-deal-rupert-murdoch-1993-john-madden-terry-bradshaw-howie-long-jimmy-johnson-cbs-nbc

The TLDR version is Rupert Murdoch doesnít care about short term profits ... just showing you how big his money-cock is.


First 9 - 12-13-2018 at 07:10 PM

In news that's getting overshadowed by all the ratings speculation, WWE House Shows right now are breaking even.

It's not anything disastrous for them since they're making truckloads of money in other ways but I wonder if it's something WWE will try to address. Maybe not doing so goddamn many and letting their talent rest.


DKBroiler - 12-13-2018 at 07:39 PM

I just finished that absurdly long article about Foxís NFL acquisition and I feel very good about what Fox can do for WWE. Say what you will about all the bad that Murdoch has unleashed on America, but the man (and his braintrust) have an amazing ability to get people interested in their programming.

I have no idea how this will manifest itself but I kind of get the feeling like weíll look at this time similar to how we looked at the pre-Network days. In 5 years this whole notion of plummeting ratings might seem quite quaint.


Count Zero - 12-13-2018 at 07:42 PM

Eeehhh. This isn't a disgreement with your general premise, but Fox Not-Sports TV can be pretty hit-or-missy with its programming. They have this habit of promoting the everlovin' SHIT out of new shows, and then yanking them midway through the first/second season. Obviously that doesn't apply to the NFL on Fox, because the NFL is still guaranteed eyeballs, but... They just aren't afraid to pull the plug on things as soon as the situation looks bleak. Or even semi-bleak.


bigfatgoalie - 12-13-2018 at 08:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie

But in a discussion about how many eyeballs the WWE attracts, yes, those hate watching still count.

This is a fair and valid point, but it shouldn't be used to dismiss that fact that many people are not watching the product because of how much it has sucked. Is that the only reason ratings are down? Certainly not. But to see a precipitous and unprecedented drop in viewership coincide with two or three weeks of bad television is something to consider.



The unprecedented drop is questionable. You have to remember that RAW has seen numbers similar to recent weeks in years past when their average was much higher.

And again, nobody is debating that RAW has been good lately. Very much the opposite of that.



quote:
Originally posted by First 9
In news that's getting overshadowed by all the ratings speculation, WWE House Shows right now are breaking even.

It's not anything disastrous for them since they're making truckloads of money in other ways but I wonder if it's something WWE will try to address. Maybe not doing so goddamn many and letting their talent rest.


I'd hope the move to Friday nights helps on two front. No over exposing a single market, and no need to run SmackDown house shows Monday nights. Take the example of RAW in Philly, and SmackDown in Pittsburgh on back to back nights. Makes complete sense with the current system. But you have to imagine the house show market for the weekend leading up to those shows are not high.

Starting in the fall, WWE can spread out TV tapings, and at the same time spread out where house shows are.

In an ideal world the WWE could probably cut down to 2 house shows a week (sat/sun afternoon shows) and rotate between RAW and SmackDown running shows. One week RAW does shows, the next, SmackDown. This would cut down on the wear and tear a lot of the guys and gals suffer from.

[Edited on 12-13-2018 by bigfatgoalie]


DKBroiler - 12-13-2018 at 08:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Eeehhh. This isn't a disgreement with your general premise, but Fox Not-Sports TV can be pretty hit-or-missy with its programming. They have this habit of promoting the everlovin' SHIT out of new shows, and then yanking them midway through the first/second season. Obviously that doesn't apply to the NFL on Fox, because the NFL is still guaranteed eyeballs, but... They just aren't afraid to pull the plug on things as soon as the situation looks bleak. Or even semi-bleak.


Totally true on smaller projects. On the biggest things ... NFL, Simpsons, American Idol off the top of my head ... they have a history of really long and successful runs. And as someone who detests Faux News, I even find myself watching it at the gym. Itís like fucking eyeball fly paper.

If you are planning on taking a 45 minute dump in the near future, give that article I posted a look. Even if you hate football the story is really interesting. This is a company that outbid a competitorís 250 million dollar a year bid by 150 million and then figured out how to turn it into a 70 billion dollar company. Just a crazy amount of evil genius at work.


CCharger - 12-14-2018 at 01:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
Is it less eyeballs though? What it really is is less eyeballs in the US at the time it airs. They have the next day replay on Hulu, clips from WWE.com and their Youtube channel. Do the ratings include cord cutters who watch it via services like Sling and Playstation Vue? And I believe Raw and Smackdown are broadcast on more countries now than before. And if not Raw and Smackdown, then whatever package shows they put together for those foreign markets. I wouldn't doubt if there are actually more people watching the show in some form or fashion now then ever, whether it's the whole show or bits and pieces of the show, just not at 8pm-11pm on Mondays.

One thing to consider: Overall, the number of people watching traditional network or cable TV dropped 3.8% from 2017 to 2018. Ratings for RAW have dropped 20% over that same period. If you are going to blame the ratings drop on cord cutters, then you would expect RAW to see a drop of 3 - 5% in viewership. So, how do you explain the other 16%? Are wrestling fans that far ahead of the curve than the general public in cord cutting? My point is that RAW's ratings losses are outpacing the overall decline in traditional TV viewership which suggests other factors are at play.


bigfatgoalie - 12-14-2018 at 02:40 AM

Hereís some more questions...what percentage of Nielsen households subscribe to the WWE network vs overall pay tv customers? Is the Nielsen cable system indicative of the popularity of WWE programming, or is thier social media system better?

Are USA Network drops higher, lower, or at the average for the industry? How many subscribers has USA lost in the past year? Is WWE probably gramming holding or losing viewership from the lead in program? Is it gaining viewers?

How does WWE programming ratings drop compare to UFC and Impact? Does ROH even qualify for this discussion? Is the WWE drop more, less or equal?

Or another way to look at it...

What number does the WWE have to hit in order for USA to make money off the current TV deal? What is the magic number for Fox? RAW has had steadily declining ratings since the USA mandated switch to 3 hours. How much would the ratings improve with a switch back to 2 hours? Has the move to Tuesday hurt SmackDown? Helped? Is viewership (ie # of viewers) the same, but the rating lower due to a higher number of viewers for the night?

And the question of if the WWEís audience is ahead of the curve on cord cutting is a valid one. Itís possible that the WWE network itself is the cause of some people not tuning in. Seriously, how many people skip RAW and/or SmackDown because of the WWE Network? Given subscriber numbers, itís easy to suggest more people watch PPVs now than ever before. Has the weekly wrestling itch been replaced by the monthly one?


Or the best way to look at it...

Were the shows good or bad? If the show was bad, does a good rating matter? If the show featured two five star classics, and a memorable heel turn would a drop from a .8 to .7 rating matter?

Or maybe the single easiest question to answer...if RAWs ratings go up in January and the shows still suck, should we praise WWE for appealing more to Nielsen households, or will it be enough to just assume ďthereís no footballĒ being the reason for the bump and simply post about the actual product?


CCharger - 12-14-2018 at 03:49 AM

Yes, those are all good questions, and Iím not sure who would have the answers.


DKBroiler - 12-14-2018 at 03:40 PM

I have definitely considered cord cutting and moving to a PPV only fan model. Stupid live sports have kept me from doing it but if Iím considering it, then there are likely people who arenít sports nuts actually doing it.


CCharger - 12-14-2018 at 05:26 PM

* FWIW, internally, WWE is reportedly blaming the ratings decline on the loss of Roman Reigns.

[Edited on 12-14-2018 by CCharger]


DKBroiler - 12-14-2018 at 05:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* FWIW, internally, WWE is reportedly blaming the ratings decline on the loss of Roman Reigns.

[Edited on 12-14-2018 by CCharger]


I tend to agree with them. Iíve never been the biggest ReBOOOOO fan but the guy is an absolute mega-star. WWE has always been at its most popular with a work horse mega-star. Hogan - Austin/Rock - Cena - Reigns ... for all of their many annoyances are the biggest mega-stars in the companyís modern history (Brockiverse aside) and losing any of them always seemed to cause a dip.


Paddlefoot - 12-14-2018 at 06:07 PM

Losing Reigns long-term, the effective disappearance altogether of Cena for what feels like a half-year now, and the injury to Braun (that could keep him out of TLC this weekend) have to be factors in all of this. The ham-fisted booking followed up with Vince re-writing entire shows recently to emphasize as much stupidity as possible are just shit-icing on the shit-cake of the RAW shit-show lately [/maximumMrLahey].

Not re-igniting anything from recent weeks either but pushing Nia Jax as well, when most of the fans are livid with real dislike for her after her sucker punch on Becky wrecked the first Rousey/Lynch confrontation scheduled for Survivor Series, couldn't have helped the ratings too much either. Like who wants to tune in just to see an unappealing incompetent like Nia Toilet get rewarded with more airtime after ruining what followers of the women's division had been looking forward to the most?


DKBroiler - 12-14-2018 at 06:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Losing Reigns long-term, the effective disappearance altogether of Cena for what feels like a half-year now, and the injury to Braun (that could keep him out of TLC this weekend) have to be factors in all of this. The ham-fisted booking followed up with Vince re-writing entire shows recently to emphasize as much stupidity as possible are just shit-icing on the shit-cake of the RAW shit-show lately [/maximumMrLahey].

Not re-igniting anything from recent weeks either but pushing Nia Jax as well, when most of the fans are livid with real dislike for her after her sucker punch on Becky wrecked the first Rousey/Lynch confrontation scheduled for Survivor Series, couldn't have helped the ratings too much either. Like who wants to tune in just to see an unappealing incompetent like Nia Toilet get rewarded with more airtime after ruining what followers of the women's division had been looking forward to the most?


I agree with all of this ... except the Nia part to a degree. I donít think she is making people just outright not tune in but she should never ... ever ... have a 5 minute monologue.


Paddlefoot - 12-14-2018 at 07:17 PM

My trunks are way too snug,
They give me a real bad look,
Like a giant deli sausage on a hook,
I'm not like most girls.....


DKBroiler - 12-14-2018 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
My trunks are way too snug,
They give me a real bad look,
Like a giant deli sausage on a hook,
I'm not like most girls.....


I think they may as well go full retard with it and start calling her and Tamina Team BBW and change her finish to something straight out of the Yahoo Culture section like, ďThe ClapbackĒ or ďBody PositiveĒ. Maybe even start saying how she not only breaks faces but also breaks the Internet. Just go full on over the top annoying fat chick ... but intentionally.

I mean Daniel Bryan is getting booed for being a really good person, so why not?


Paddlefoot - 12-15-2018 at 12:02 AM

I'm a big awkward incompetent blob myself so that gives me all the right in the world to be mean to the other fatties. WE DESERVE TO BE HATED! No different at all than the black folk reserving the sole right for themselves for use of the N-word (for the great amusement of we others).

* Vince will be appearing on RAW this Monday (after TLC) to "shake things up"; no word yet if shake things up is code for "make things worse" although the odds on that happening can't be anything other than 50/50


CVD39 - 12-15-2018 at 03:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
I have definitely considered cord cutting and moving to a PPV only fan model. Stupid live sports have kept me from doing it but if Iím considering it, then there are likely people who arenít sports nuts actually doing it.


Iíve thought about doing the same thing. Hulu and the Network would fill the WWE spot. The NBA and to a lesser extent, NJPW have stopped me. Next time I gotta re-up, I donít think I will.


shashwat mishra - 12-16-2018 at 04:26 AM




This was nice, a little gritty and very realistic


DevilSoprano - 12-16-2018 at 04:07 PM

If she isn't in the main event of Mania, this company has no clue what they are doing.


punkerhardcore - 12-16-2018 at 04:26 PM

So then she won't be in the main event at Mania.


CCharger - 12-16-2018 at 07:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Hereís an alternate take...RAW and SmackDown are getting really good social media ratings.

https://www.nielsensocial.com/socialcontentratings/weekly/

Raw sits at 2nd for the week, SmackDown is 3rd. That is over shows like The Voice on NBC.

Fox and USA are paying for live programming. Advertisers typically pay a premium for shows that are watched during their initial broadcast. People live tweeting during shows indicates a higher than normal level of interaction and investment in the program.

Should any of that matter to us? Fuck no.

A quick search of Twitter will indicate that tweets about Raw the last two or three weeks were by and large negative. So, I guess if you are loving by the adage that bad publicity is better than none at all, you have a point.


Paddlefoot - 12-16-2018 at 08:20 PM

An entity as massive as FOX Sports wouldn't be investing in WWE if they thought they'd end up losing money. If the corporations, who are obviously evil but generally not stupid, are going ahead then they don't think the old Nielsen rating system means fuck all in the overall picture anymore. I will grant one thing, though, and that this "shake up" on RAW on Monday could just as well be because FOX told Vince to smarten the fuck up and make the show better before they bring it onboard to their channel as much as it is Vince "doing something" because he's worried on his own about the fall in ratings. FOX probably wants something as dynamic and fun on their network as the WWE was when they last them on their channel, not this piss-centric nonsense that WWE's been fucking around with over the last month. This is a good thing, and probably should have happened a long time ago. Put some serious oversight over WWE, and hopefully a huge corporate veto over Vince's dumber ideas, and improvement in show quality becomes a probable instead of a mabey.


Matte - 12-16-2018 at 08:24 PM

CCharger just posted the exact same BFG quote and response that he posted four days ago. Now, there are a few possible reasons for this to have happened. One) he posted the original response four days ago, but OO glitched out like it used to and he just got around to reloading the page today, resulting in two of the same posts. This possibility seems unlikely, as he posted five different posts between the two clone posts. He could have used a computer to post the original and the clone, and a phone to post the five in-between posts, but again, that seems unlikely. Two) he forgot that he had posted the original post four days ago and posted the clone today, thinking it was the first time he would be posting it. This, too, seems unlikely, as the two posts are exact copies of each other, word for word. If he did forget about the original post, odds are that the clone post would have had slightly different wording. Additionally, to post the clone post, he had to quote BFG's post, meaning he had to scroll up past the original post. In doing this, he should have seen his original post and reasoned that a clone post was unnecessary. Of course, he could have scrolled past his original post without noticing it, but the resulting word-for-word response makes both that possibility and the possibility that spawned it unlikely. Three) he didn't get the response from BFG that he was hoping for after the original post, so he posted the clone in hopes of getting a different response the second time. This third possibility, still, seems unlikely. The very next post after his original post was a direct response from BFG. Now, BFG didn't quote him, suggesting that CCharger may have missed the post or failed to take the post as the response that it was. Once again, this seems unlikely. His very next post was another BFG quote and response, this time quoting a portion of BFG's response to the original post, proving that he did in fact read the post and accepted it as a response. Furthermore, after a couple additional back-and-forth posts between CCharger and BFG, CCharger posted "Yes, those are all good questions, and Iím not sure who would have the answers." This seems to serve as an end to the discussion between the two, which only adds to the mystery of why the clone post was posted. If anyone knows of any other possibilities or answers to this conundrum, any information is useful, so please don't hesitate to post them...but only once.


Paddlefoot - 12-16-2018 at 08:26 PM

FOIT! FOIT! FOIT! FOOKIN' CCChoorger!


bigfatgoalie - 12-16-2018 at 08:55 PM

SmackDown may be 50% less iicOOnic as Billy Kay appears to have been hurt at a live event:



bigfatgoalie - 12-16-2018 at 08:55 PM

ETA: Double post.

[Edited on 12-16-2018 by bigfatgoalie]


CCharger - 12-17-2018 at 01:09 AM

No idea how that happened. Weird.


Big G - 12-17-2018 at 04:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
An entity as massive as FOX Sports wouldn't be investing in WWE if they thought they'd end up losing money. If the corporations, who are obviously evil but generally not stupid, are going ahead then they don't think the old Nielsen rating system means fuck all in the overall picture anymore. I will grant one thing, though, and that this "shake up" on RAW on Monday could just as well be because FOX told Vince to smarten the fuck up and make the show better before they bring it onboard to their channel as much as it is Vince "doing something" because he's worried on his own about the fall in ratings. FOX probably wants something as dynamic and fun on their network as the WWE was when they last them on their channel, not this piss-centric nonsense that WWE's been fucking around with over the last month. This is a good thing, and probably should have happened a long time ago. Put some serious oversight over WWE, and hopefully a huge corporate veto over Vince's dumber ideas, and improvement in show quality becomes a probable instead of a mabey.


It certainly has the potential to be at the very least an interesting dynamic.

As you rightly point out, Fox is pox, but they ain't dumb. Do we see Smackdown become the unofficial flagship?

OR

Is Fox just the latest mark that must be worked?


williamssl - 12-17-2018 at 04:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
CCharger just posted the exact same BFG quote and response that he posted four days ago. Now, there are a few possible reasons for this to have happened. One) he posted the original response four days ago, but OO glitched out like it used to and he just got around to reloading the page today, resulting in two of the same posts. This possibility seems unlikely, as he posted five different posts between the two clone posts. He could have used a computer to post the original and the clone, and a phone to post the five in-between posts, but again, that seems unlikely. Two) he forgot that he had posted the original post four days ago and posted the clone today, thinking it was the first time he would be posting it. This, too, seems unlikely, as the two posts are exact copies of each other, word for word. If he did forget about the original post, odds are that the clone post would have had slightly different wording. Additionally, to post the clone post, he had to quote BFG's post, meaning he had to scroll up past the original post. In doing this, he should have seen his original post and reasoned that a clone post was unnecessary. Of course, he could have scrolled past his original post without noticing it, but the resulting word-for-word response makes both that possibility and the possibility that spawned it unlikely. Three) he didn't get the response from BFG that he was hoping for after the original post, so he posted the clone in hopes of getting a different response the second time. This third possibility, still, seems unlikely. The very next post after his original post was a direct response from BFG. Now, BFG didn't quote him, suggesting that CCharger may have missed the post or failed to take the post as the response that it was. Once again, this seems unlikely. His very next post was another BFG quote and response, this time quoting a portion of BFG's response to the original post, proving that he did in fact read the post and accepted it as a response. Furthermore, after a couple additional back-and-forth posts between CCharger and BFG, CCharger posted "Yes, those are all good questions, and Iím not sure who would have the answers." This seems to serve as an end to the discussion between the two, which only adds to the mystery of why the clone post was posted. If anyone knows of any other possibilities or answers to this conundrum, any information is useful, so please don't hesitate to post them...but only once.



Classic CCharger


CCharger - 12-17-2018 at 01:58 PM

* Vince McMahon's decision to appear on RAW tonight was made immediately after ratings were released last week. It isn't clear what he will do or say, but once report suggests he will announce a draft or a "Superstar Shakeup". Another rumor is that he will announce that RAW will go TV-14 and usher in an "Attitude Era 2.0". Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be disappointing as fuck.


SpiNNeR72 - 12-17-2018 at 05:02 PM

It will either be Becky, Charlotte, or both, moving to RAW.


salmonjunkie - 12-17-2018 at 06:08 PM

My guess is a new General Manager that isn't Kurt Angle, and maybe a Superstar Shakeup.

Also, Stephanie announces the women's tag team title.


The Greek - 12-17-2018 at 06:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
My guess is a new General Manager that isn't Kurt Angle, and maybe a Superstar Shakeup.

Also, Stephanie announces the women's tag team title.



As long as he doesn't announce Hulk Hogan as the new GM


nOOb - 12-17-2018 at 11:21 PM

Out of curiosity, is there a GM option out there that has a "Wow, I didn't see that coming" factor to them? Like, WWE has pretty much everyone under contract or on friendly terms that's a GM-caliber person at this stage in their career. Sting really wouldn't move the needle. Stone Cold would be cool for a few minutes before you remember he's the reason "What?" is a thing. Bischoff has been hanging around WWE for a long enough time that he wouldn't be a shock, and Vince will quickly fall right back into "Oh right, this guy tried to put me out of business in the 90's, I guess I better cover him in shit and fire him again" mode. And the Rock has way too many things going on that he'd probably be as part-time in a non-physical role as Lesnar is in a physical role.


punkerhardcore - 12-17-2018 at 11:23 PM

CM Punk?


salmonjunkie - 12-18-2018 at 12:30 AM

Cody Rhodes?


Paddlefoot - 12-18-2018 at 12:33 AM

Ryback?


bigfatgoalie - 12-18-2018 at 12:37 AM

AJ Lee.

Trish.

HBK.

And fuck it, Iíd pop for Regal showing up as GM with a faction of NXT guys as his chosen ones.


GodEatGod - 12-18-2018 at 12:48 AM

Owens, while he's healing up
Ric Flair (which I don't want, but if it's between Hogan and him, I'll take Flair)
Kevin Nash (I don't want him to wrestle or book, but always happy to hear him talk)
Leapin' Lanny Poffo


Paddlefoot - 12-18-2018 at 12:49 AM

It's probably just Vince announcing that Lars will be his new hammer to straighten everyone out. Then Lars goes over like a lead balloon and in three months it's Booker T as GM.


SpiNNeR72 - 12-18-2018 at 11:28 AM

Well. The did manage to surprise us.

By doing absolutely fuck all!

Although I kinda get why, as some of this seek is already taped.

To miss the pop of a good old fashioned "You're FIRED" to Corbin was dumb though.


nOOb - 12-18-2018 at 07:50 PM

Meanwhile, John Cena continues to do his best work when WWE is in no way, shape, or form involved (except that South Paw stuff, but I assume that was KFC and not WWE):


Big G - 12-19-2018 at 02:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
Out of curiosity, is there a GM option out there that has a "Wow, I didn't see that coming" factor to them? Like, WWE has pretty much everyone under contract or on friendly terms that's a GM-caliber person at this stage in their career. Sting really wouldn't move the needle. Stone Cold would be cool for a few minutes before you remember he's the reason "What?" is a thing. Bischoff has been hanging around WWE for a long enough time that he wouldn't be a shock, and Vince will quickly fall right back into "Oh right, this guy tried to put me out of business in the 90's, I guess I better cover him in shit and fire him again" mode. And the Rock has way too many things going on that he'd probably be as part-time in a non-physical role as Lesnar is in a physical role.


That this is so is proof that the GM is its current guise as a plot device is cooked. Notwithstanding the suggestions from my learned oosters above, however I'd wager that they'd all descend to a similar level of sameness. Sadly even CM Punk who would for mine be the most wow worthy.


CCharger - 12-19-2018 at 04:15 PM

* Braun will not be cleared to wrestle until the Rumble at the earliest, but he is expected to be back on TV before then

* Paige will move to a new role behind the scenes and begin the promotional tour for the movie about her family

* Meltzer reported that Vince was "furious" by the reaction to the Dean/Seth match at TLC and gave both of them an earful in the back about it

* Rollins was penciled in as the Rumble winner and Brock's challenger at Mania, but it is looking more likely that a women's match will main event - possibly a champ vs. champ match involving Becky and Rousey.

* Chris Jericho is teasing a "big announcement" at 2 pm today. This has led to speculation that it will involve the rumored new promotion he has been associated with. My guess it will be along the lines of "Fozzy will launch a summer festival tour this January!"


[Edited on 12-19-2018 by CCharger]


First 9 - 12-19-2018 at 05:06 PM

You know, I sort of get what they were aiming for in that Seth vs Dean match. Dean's been cutting multiple promos about how the whole architect identity Seth has is BS and how Seth will let his emotions get the better of him.So the story is about Seth trying to have a wrestling match and not give in into his rage.

But the execution left a lot to be desired. It needed Ambrose screaming at Seth to keep punching him, do the whole ''strike me down with all your hatred'' act, biting and clawing his way out of Seth's wrestling holds forcing Seth to come down to his level. So then Seth makes a mistake and Ambrose takes advantage.


TownOfDalem - 12-19-2018 at 07:29 PM

I hadn't been watching RAW much in the build up, so it didn't even occur to me that the Ambrose/Rollins match wasn't a gimmick match. How could a story like this at an event all about gimmick matches be a regular match? It was a fine match, but it didn't seem to really fit the story.


SpiNNeR72 - 12-19-2018 at 10:44 PM

That was a big cockup. They were following Bryan/Styles which is daunting enough in itself, but add to that the fact the strong personal rivalry and Ambroses character and even if it wasn't booked as a gimmick match, having it descend into one would have been a double DQ that made sense.


From the callups, I can see Lars ending up filling Strowmans position on RAW for a bit, and Heavy Machinery would be perfect in the more light hearted but technically sound SD tag scene.

The others are harder to predict. EC3 is an interesting choice, but will be a better fit on either main roster than in NXT.

Its the girls I feel vexed for. A tough time to break in to either show. Becky and Charotte are on another level entirely on SD, with Asuka the only one close. And a spot on RAW will at best be a short losing program with Rousey.


denverpunk - 12-20-2018 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
You know, I sort of get what they were aiming for in that Seth vs Dean match. Dean's been cutting multiple promos about how the whole architect identity Seth has is BS and how Seth will let his emotions get the better of him.So the story is about Seth trying to have a wrestling match and not give in into his rage.

But the execution left a lot to be desired. It needed Ambrose screaming at Seth to keep punching him, do the whole ''strike me down with all your hatred'' act, biting and clawing his way out of Seth's wrestling holds forcing Seth to come down to his level. So then Seth makes a mistake and Ambrose takes advantage.


You know, Iím just going to say it. Dean Ambrose may be the most overrated wrestler on either roster. Heís just not that good in a star singles role. I love him in a tag team situation, but heís honestly a little boring in the ring. Heís solid in a gimmick match (his HITC with Rollins was damned good) but he canít really hang without those same gimmicks.

One thing WWE is not great about is putting their talent in the best situations that they can succeed, and I certainly put some blame on them for Ambrose, who can be really interesting and fun. But he canít always do that on his own, without help, and heís less likely to do that in some straight up match. The most Iíve liked Ambrose alone is when he was on Smackdown nailing Cesaro with chairs, just because it showed how he works best - a nasty attitude, wanting to hurt people, and damn the wins and losses.

[Edited on 12-20-2018 by denverpunk]


First 9 - 12-20-2018 at 08:42 PM

Reportedly, WWE has offered seven-figure contracts to three members of the Elite. Since the Young Bucks and Cody are the only ones who've told NJPW they're leaving after Wrestle Kingdom it would probably be them.

If this where true, it could be a huge deal for WWE to sign a tag team to monster contracts. On RAW unless the tag tiles are held by a team of main eventers, they're lower card fodder but if the Young Bucks are on the roster thta would have to change.


CCharger - 12-21-2018 at 04:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Reportedly, WWE has offered seven-figure contracts to three members of the Elite. Since the Young Bucks and Cody are the only ones who've told NJPW they're leaving after Wrestle Kingdom it would probably be them.

If this where true, it could be a huge deal for WWE to sign a tag team to monster contracts. On RAW unless the tag tiles are held by a team of main eventers, they're lower card fodder but if the Young Bucks are on the roster thta would have to change.

The latest I've heard is that Cody and the Bucks rejected those offers over disagreements about creative control. Don't know how accurate this is because rumorz.


Paddlefoot - 12-21-2018 at 03:35 PM

* Asuka vs Lynch for the SD women's title has apparently been made official for Royal Rumble - barring injury or some sort of meltdown in creative this also hopefully means Flair vs Rousey for RR and is a good indicator that Rousey vs Lynch will be on for Wrestlemania; so not just women main eventing the RR or Mania but mabey main eventing both shows?


CCharger - 12-21-2018 at 04:16 PM

* The Observer is reporting that Finn Balor will get another big push in 2019 and is expected to be one of the top 3 matches at Mania.


First 9 - 12-21-2018 at 04:42 PM

How many part-timers do they have left for big WM matches anyway? Seems Cena won't be doing anything major, Kurt Angle seems to be in the Jericho-tier of legends where he gets spotlight matches here and there but won't be gettng major WM singles matches, HHH is hurt, Batista might be out since HHH is out, and for the love of God they cannot be thinking about putting Taker in anything longer than an 8 minute match.

Is it just Brock and Shane?


CCharger - 12-21-2018 at 04:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
How many part-timers do they have left for big WM matches anyway? Seems Cena won't be doing anything major, Kurt Angle seems to be in the Jericho-tier of legends where he gets spotlight matches here and there but won't be gettng major WM singles matches, HHH is hurt, Batista might be out since HHH is out, and for the love of God they cannot be thinking about putting Taker in anything longer than an 8 minute match.

Is it just Brock and Shane?


https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/12/ric-flair-cleared-to-get-back-in-ring-again

https://talksport.com/sport/wwe/455421/hulk-hogan-sign-return-wwe-wrestling/


GodEatGod - 12-21-2018 at 04:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
How many part-timers do they have left for big WM matches anyway? Seems Cena won't be doing anything major, Kurt Angle seems to be in the Jericho-tier of legends where he gets spotlight matches here and there but won't be gettng major WM singles matches, HHH is hurt, Batista might be out since HHH is out, and for the love of God they cannot be thinking about putting Taker in anything longer than an 8 minute match.

Is it just Brock and Shane?


Don't forget Ric Flair got cleared to take bumps (I wish I was entirely kidding, but I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility).

Angle isn't on Jericho's level because Jericho can still work and Angle clearly...uh, can't. I mean, not at anything resembling his former level of skill and it's just making me sad watching him try.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we got Cena/Bryan at WM.


CCharger - 12-21-2018 at 05:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by First 9
How many part-timers do they have left for big WM matches anyway? Seems Cena won't be doing anything major, Kurt Angle seems to be in the Jericho-tier of legends where he gets spotlight matches here and there but won't be gettng major WM singles matches, HHH is hurt, Batista might be out since HHH is out, and for the love of God they cannot be thinking about putting Taker in anything longer than an 8 minute match.

Is it just Brock and Shane?


Don't forget Ric Flair got cleared to take bumps (I wish I was entirely kidding, but I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility).

Angle isn't on Jericho's level because Jericho can still work and Angle clearly...uh, can't. I mean, not at anything resembling his former level of skill and it's just making me sad watching him try.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we got Cena/Bryan at WM.

Ha! Exactly what I posted above you. Included the link about Hogan too.

You don't think Vince would do Hogan vs. Flair: 30 Years Too Late at Wrestlemania, do you? Do you?

DO YOU?

Oh, God.


ThePunisher - 12-21-2018 at 05:44 PM

IMPACT moving nights and channels.....

https://impactwrestling.com/impact-wrestling-pursuit-channel-announce-agreement-to-televise-impact-nationally-across-the-u-s/

Fridays at 10:00 PM? That can't be good for ratings.


TownOfDalem - 12-21-2018 at 05:56 PM

Can we just kill TNA already? I know it's not nice to root for their failure, but there are plenty of other options and I need their video library on the WWE Network so WWE can have move Styles/Christian/Angle/Joe stuff.


cardscott5 - 12-21-2018 at 05:57 PM

On one hand I'm happy for the Elite guys and their independent success, but I dunno, it kind of feels like it's going to be a waste for them to start their own promotion. They'll be a ton of buzz around it when it's announced next month, but we all know how fickle fans are. If it's not the same as Being the Elite, people will turn on them, harsher than people would turn on them if they went to the WWE I think. I think some part of it is because their level of opponent will decrease since obviously the best wrestlers have contracts with other companies, but also because they won't be in control of everything. It'd be impossible.

That isn't saying that if they do All In 2 first that wouldn't be a huge event, because it would be. But it would stop being special. There is a void behind WWE that they could capitalize on, with ROH being the number 2 promotion, but I can't shake the feeling that it wouldn't last more than a couple of years and, the Young Bucks especially, would have questions about what could have been in WWE. Omega less so and Cody even less than that because he could waltz back in WWE pretty much anytime if he ever wanted.


First 9 - 12-21-2018 at 06:04 PM

The news channel they're moving to belongs to TNA's owner so it looks like they're getting the ROH treatment. Used as cheap programming for a smal cable network. Not ideal but it does keep them afloat.



[Edited on 12-21-2018 by First 9]


GodEatGod - 12-21-2018 at 09:07 PM

I absolutely understand why Cody & The Bucks want to do their own thing, have their creative control and generally feel empowered by all the success from All In last year.

I also, in all likelihood, will neither follow nor give a shit about their promotion. Maybe they'll prove me wrong. But I've tried caring about the Bucks for a long time and I just...don't. I don't think they're terrible. But I don't think they're special either. They're just guys.


Count Zero - 12-22-2018 at 02:38 AM

I kind of microplay the above comments. The Bucks are fun-timey spot-monkeys extraordinaire, but... I have no craps to give about their "characters" or that sort of thing. I also prefer Cody's Stardust routine over The American Nightmare (with Codpiece Effect on Tights), so... If these are the three guys you're building stories around? Meeeeehhhhhhhhhhh.


janerd75 - 12-22-2018 at 03:26 AM

Microplay x 2. Cody is a known WWE commodity. If he could come back and pull a "rehabbed" McIntyre-type dealio, that'd be neato. The Bucks are coolio but would likely make a nice but soft landing in NXT and a definite hard crash landing on either RAM or SD. See: Brothers, Good for more info.

Not that any of those guys are bad, because they aren't, but c'mon Fellow WWE Apologistsô, ain't none of them boys A.J. Styles. Kenny Omega, however, could be. Especially because he's fluent in Japanese and the possibilities for proper 'Murican mouthpiecing n' stabling for people like Shinsky or Asuka are endless. However, Fellow WWE Apologistsô, if you're honest about the frustratingly fucked up product replete with missed opportunities we know and love, you know they'd bunglefuck that to no end.


CCharger - 12-22-2018 at 03:40 AM

Microplay x 3. Never ďgotĒ the Bucks. I guess they were/are considered ďedgeyĒ because they go over the top in trying to troll the old timers like Cornette et al. But to me they just came off like every other indie spot monkey tag team except with better marketing skills. Personally, they donít move the needle.


Big G - 12-22-2018 at 07:50 AM

Two things I've noticed start happening when people turn 70. No one says "too young" at your funeral, and, you start having "falls".

Perfect timing for Ric to have one last in ring run - he's only 69!


SpiNNeR72 - 12-22-2018 at 12:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

You don't think Vince would do Hogan vs. Flair: 30 Years Too Late at Wrestlemania, do you? Do you?

DO YOU?

Oh, God.


You know what, book a 3 way between Flair, Hogan and Vince, go through all the promos, give them all massive fucking entrances, then have Austin come in and stun them all. Fuck all wrong with that.


On the Bucks/Cody - continuing to have a couple of successful live events a year is very possible. A "promotion" on the other hand? Nah.

Excitement like that generated by All In just isn't sustainable on a weekly/monthly basis.

However I do think they made the right decision not to sign with WWE at this stage. Cody is always going to be fine when he returns due to family history, but the Bucks stock can only rise.

I believe this is a good move because none of them have any special talent in the ring. WWE is loaded with guys capable of way better matches.


nOOb - 12-22-2018 at 05:54 PM

In real news, Sarah Logan and Rowe of the world famous War Raiders Rowe and Hanson were married and went full viking themed for the wedding. Iíll tell you what: those two kids just get it.


G-Spot - 12-22-2018 at 08:04 PM

Lana wishes you a Merry Christmas!

Seems she posted this on Instagram, and has since deleted it. Looks like she genuinely forgot she wasn't wearing panties!!



[Edited on 12-22-2018 by G-Spot]


williamssl - 12-22-2018 at 09:14 PM

bOOardie finals are up.


CLICK HERE, BITCHES


bigfatgoalie - 12-22-2018 at 09:28 PM

On the topic of the Bucks...I think they have value in WWE as part of a faction. If they were to come in on their own? Yawn.

Same with Adam Page.

Really, I think itís a case of believing Omega and Rhodes wonít come on their own.

As far as starting their own promotion...there are always rich people who think they can be the next Vince. Not many rich people want to be whoever it is that owns ROH. TNA early on was good. When they wanted to be WWE? They went to shit pretty easily and never recovered.

If the plan is a weekly show...more power to them and I hope it does well, but I just donít see it working. Is there enough guys not signed to WWE, ROH, Impact, NJPW, MLW, Lucha Underground, or Mexico promotions to make it work? Is it going to rely heavily on ďtalent sharingĒ with other promotions like the All In show?

Really itís a huge risk, amplified by there being main event spots open in WWE. Omega and Cody may not have a time with more leverage/better chances to succeed in WWE.

But hey...you got to shoot your shot, and if you think AEW is your shot, than go for it


salmonjunkie - 12-22-2018 at 10:33 PM

Cody knows he can come back to WWE anytime. He's been there pretty much since he started his career. He's finding a ton of success outside of WWE and has some opportunities to do a lot of really cool and different things. I have a feeling All In is just the beginning.

I don't think Cody is trying to make a new WWE. I think he's trying to make a new alternative product. Something different than what ROH, TNA, and NWA have out there right now. I don't know if this AEW will work out or not, but if he doesn't at least give it a shot, if he goes back to WWE now, then he'll regret that he never gave himself a chance to try. He's doing the right thing for himself.


First 9 - 12-23-2018 at 01:00 AM

I think the format of Being the Elite has potential to a create a new wrestling product. Instead of the same faux-sports show with mostly everything ocurring in ''real time'', a documentary/reality tv show hybrid catching up with a wrestler's whole week giving the wrestler's more options to be creative with their promos and character work.

Just instead of building up matches in other matches, it'd be their own.


cardscott5 - 12-23-2018 at 06:11 AM

I agree with you all that the Bucks couldn't come in alone for a couple of reasons. The first being that they are really small and they'd be swallowed up. I mean, look at the Revival. They aren't big guys and it seems like they have a lot of trouble fitting in because of that, despite their clear talent as a team. Second, the Bucks work so much better as dickhead lackies that it's what they are born to do almost. Third, they have much, much more to lose than the rest of the Elite. No one has their cache. Only Omega really has their cred as workers. They were superstars in ROH for the last few years. I think it would make a lot of sense for them to want to start their own promotion because it's the only thing that would keep them protected and on top.

The difference between doing another All In and going full fledged on a promotional are huge. They wouldn't be able to write, book, produce and run a company like they did All In. I wouldn't be stunned if they announced a second All In instead of announcing a company because it allows them to test the waters to see if there is interest in putting All In on a channel and maybe seeing what interest there would be in a tv deal.

The wrestling landscape is open for an alternative and they could very well be that alternative. But a tv show in 6 months or a year that's on I dunno, TruTv, doesn't feel like it would be striking when the iron is hot. The Bucks and Cody will probably never be in as much demand as they are right this minute. They can, and should, do whatever they want. I just don't think a company would have legs.

The real question is what Omega is gonna do. Obviously his contract has him locked in a week or so longer than the others in the Elite. He could probably work Japan and AEW and be happy. I'd be really intrigued what WWE would throw at him because he could be an instant megastar, unlike Cody and the Bucks really. If I were them, I would throw all the money and perks at Omega. There's a chance they could fuck his run up, but he's so amazing in the ring that he would always have his natural skill to fall back to. I think there's more incentive for Omega to push himself with WWE's roster, but he could just stay in New Japan and keep being amazing. There's no downside with him.

There's really no downside for Cody either. He would come back like a conquering hero to WWE, and even if they didn't do anything with him, he'd stay over because how he connected with the crowd.

Hangman will probably fine whatever he does next because he's still pretty young. Being part of NXT seems like it could pull more personality out of him, which is my biggest problem with his in ring work. But he could learn that anywhere.


SpiNNeR72 - 12-23-2018 at 08:45 PM

This is good. Especially the first 90 seconds. I have no doubt it is the truth..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P71ZaU8hgio


Planet Starbucks - 12-24-2018 at 09:57 AM

That was excellent. I was one of those guys whose heart sank when it became clear they were turning Daniel heel. I was 100% wrong. What a great character that says a lot about current times.


Wickedfrost - 12-24-2018 at 09:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
bOOardie finals are up.


CLICK HERE, BITCHES


Where's the POTY vote?


williamssl - 12-24-2018 at 10:04 PM

2 people bothered to nominate anything and there was no overlap on their nominations, and one person seconded everything that had been nominated, so we ended up with like 8 nominees each with 1 (or 2 if you count the second everything) nomination.

Not enough there to go with so no finals this year.

There were plenty of memory joggers listed in the thread, and plenty of opportunity for anyone to copy/paste any of those into the nominations thread.

Dead category for the year.


nOOb - 12-24-2018 at 10:24 PM

In my defense for not nominating anything, besides the very reasonable ďIím just not on here anymore,Ē thereís also my less sane reasoning that I just assume every thread started becomes half talking about Cody and the Young Bucks and their future decisions to be made and half BFG and CCharger ripping each other new ones (not taking sides I just want some more ELE here).


Wickedfrost - 12-25-2018 at 04:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
2 people bothered to nominate anything and there was no overlap on their nominations, and one person seconded everything that had been nominated, so we ended up with like 8 nominees each with 1 (or 2 if you count the second everything) nomination.

Not enough there to go with so no finals this year.

There were plenty of memory joggers listed in the thread, and plenty of opportunity for anyone to copy/paste any of those into the nominations thread.

Dead category for the year.


Dammit it was the closest I've ever come.


Paddlefoot - 12-26-2018 at 08:00 AM



salmonjunkie - 12-27-2018 at 12:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
This is good. Especially the first 90 seconds. I have no doubt it is the truth..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P71ZaU8hgio


I do love The New Daniel Bryan.


Flash - 12-27-2018 at 07:22 AM

Little news item; Apparently during the various press junkets for Bumblebee anyone sitting down with Cena was told that any mention of Nikki Bella was off limits by his/studio handlers.


Slade - 12-28-2018 at 07:38 PM

In other John Cena news, the word on the street is that Vince has decided to market him as the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME from now on.


First 9 - 12-28-2018 at 08:45 PM

Only franchise player to remain on top for over ten years in the weekly tv era so greatest of all time works for him. He's definently WWE's greatest workhorse with only Taker behind him.


nOOb - 12-29-2018 at 12:32 AM

I mean, of all two of the muscle-y guys that Vince focused solely on for over a decade, John Cena was definitely the one that had more than five moves of the group. And also didn't have a racist sex tape hanging over his head (that we know of).


DKBroiler - 12-29-2018 at 09:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
I mean, of all two of the muscle-y guys that Vince focused solely on for over a decade, John Cena was definitely the one that had more than five moves of the group. And also didn't have a racist sex tape hanging over his head (that we know of).


I mean itís likely that he made them the most money over the longest period, had the most pay per view wins, and is tied for the most championships ever. John Cena as WWE GOAT is more accurate than inaccurate. He might not have had the highest ceiling but he definitely had the highest floor and there is something to be said for unreal consistency.


GodEatGod - 12-30-2018 at 12:36 AM

From Vince's perspective, he certainly is. He was on top longer, stayed loyal, kisses WWE's ass every interview, continues to return and generally has been exactly what Vince sees as the ideal in a potential world champion. Hogan, Austin, Bret, Shawn, Rock, they all had out periods with the company. Cena's worst vice is the habit of occasionally boinking some of the female talent.


Paddlefoot - 12-30-2018 at 06:44 AM

***SPOILERTZ! for Tuesday's SD recordings***

Year's most awesome person gives awesome shit to returning awesome guy!







I can die content, and strangely aroused too.


Count Zero - 12-30-2018 at 05:20 PM

....That was icOOnic. I can't see her!


Paddlefoot - 12-30-2018 at 06:53 PM

It's fairly adorable too as she's clearly trying not to laugh as she uses his own trademark diss gesture back at him. Which is good, because only some sort of a defective would be in a bad mood all the time if they had a fun and kick-ass career as a pro wrestler.

The shoot interview gig is going to be in trouble in a few years because this current generation of performers seem more like friends and family to each other than rivals and enemies. There probably won't be as many stories posted on YouTube about them continually backstabbing each other the way the old school and Cartoon Era generation wrestlers always were.


janerd75 - 12-30-2018 at 10:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
It's fairly adorable too as she's clearly trying not to laugh as she uses his own trademark diss gesture back at him. Which is good, because only some sort of a defective would be in a bad mood all the time if they had a fun and kick-ass career as a pro wrestler.





[Edited on 12-31-2018 by janerd75]


Paddlefoot - 12-30-2018 at 10:20 PM

Hey, 'nerd! I'm trying to eat lunch here!


Count Zero - 12-30-2018 at 10:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75

Seizure: Induced.


janerd75 - 12-31-2018 at 06:39 AM


Count Zero - 12-31-2018 at 08:01 PM

Is that the one with the subliminal goatse?


Paddlefoot - 12-31-2018 at 08:59 PM

Goatman's first major appearance was on Seinfeld?


Count Zero - 1-1-2019 at 12:14 AM

No no, Footlepads. "The One With" is the Friends episode-naming gimmick.

(Trainwreck in progress?)


Slade - 1-1-2019 at 02:09 PM

Yes, but the GIF is Newman running on a pool deck.