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Rumour Crap 2017: PT 2
Flash - 4-30-2017 at 12:02 AM

With Rick being MIA of late (hope all is well)- figured I'd kick off a part two as part one is now over the 1000 post mark, and he's suggested on a few occasions that once a thread eclipses 1000 post mark it has a way of potentially mucking up the site; So with that...

Can't recall any major dangling "news" or rumours from the last thread, so to kick it off:

*Aside from the already snowballing story about backstage bullying in WWE locker rooms over the years, there was apparently a major news outlet which was working on a lead piece about the subject, which is why the WWE settled with Mauro so quickly, and the need for him to publicly absolve JBL of any wrong doing or part in his leaving. There is a hint that as so many interviews were already done said unnamed news outlet may still run the story. There is said to be some frustration with Mauro for publicly absolving the WWE as this was seen as a chance for major changes to the culture of the WWE to take place.

*Despite the acrimonious departure of Mauro from the WWE, there is rumoured to be a chance that he could be again employed by the WWE in the future as he played ball with them (Money probably helps) and the WWE could look to use Mauro as a public face to some positive PR about how supporting they are about mental illness.

*Mrs. Matt Hardy Reby has tweeted that the rumour about the WWE trying to intercede on Matt's behalf and obtain the rights to the "Broken" gimmick are 100% false, and has thrown out the suggestion that this rumour is a Jarrett/TNA tactic to make it appear as if they are in a position of power in setting the terms for the characters ownership.

*Some current WWE talent, and a few alumni are jumping on the bandwagon and poking fun at the Great Balls of Fire name that has been affixed to the WWE's next PPV.


williamssl - 4-30-2017 at 12:45 AM

Rick has only been "gone" since Tuesday evening. He started both the Raw and SD threads this week.


janerd75 - 4-30-2017 at 01:09 AM


Paddlefoot - 4-30-2017 at 01:15 AM

Rick will come back. We'll cheer. We'll say "Rick, they said you was hung!". And Rick will say "and they was right!".


janerd75 - 4-30-2017 at 01:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Rick will come back. We'll cheer. We'll say "Rick, they said you was hung!". And Rick will say "and they was right!".




You forgot to add what he said right before he says, "...they said you was hung."


Flash - 4-30-2017 at 02:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Rick has only been "gone" since Tuesday evening. He started both the Raw and SD threads this week.


Lol, oops... I saw a couple of posts in the last rumour thread that made it sound like he'd been gone for a bit; my bad.


Paddlefoot - 4-30-2017 at 02:34 AM

Swingin' as low as a sweet chariot......


Count Zero - 4-30-2017 at 03:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl

Lesson learned: don't attempt to engage in any discussion with Trumpberto. Besides baiting him with Becky and Charlotte stuff, of course.

Lesson also learned: you don't have to wait to experience something for yourself for a lesson to be learned. You can learn from many past examples involving others.


Are you willing to sign my "Add an Ignore List please" petition? I mean, I don't actually have such a petition yet, but I'm floating a trial balloon here before I launch the real thing.


Paddlefoot - 4-30-2017 at 03:53 AM

Nah, he's amusing.


williamssl - 4-30-2017 at 04:58 AM

He has this adorable trait of saying how he refrains from being successfully baited by "trolls" and then repeatedly taking the bait.

Which of course means that I must forever bait.


GodEatGod - 4-30-2017 at 05:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
He has this adorable trait of saying how he refrains from being successfully baited by "trolls" and then repeatedly taking the bait.

Which of course means that I must forever bait.


"Forever bait" is, of course, janerd's term for AJ Lee.


williamssl - 4-30-2017 at 05:02 AM

{insert 'post of the day' ribbon here}


Count Zero - 4-30-2017 at 06:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Nah, he's amusing.
I must conclude, my fellow canucklehead, that we have vastly different definitions of the term. I will canadianly & respectfully accept our differences. Here's a beer of your choice.

[insert beer and/or bait].


gobbledygooker - 4-30-2017 at 02:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
*Aside from the already snowballing story about backstage bullying in WWE locker rooms over the years, there was apparently a major news outlet which was working on a lead piece about the subject, which is why the WWE settled with Mauro so quickly, and the need for him to publicly absolve JBL of any wrong doing or part in his leaving. There is a hint that as so many interviews were already done said unnamed news outlet may still run the story. There is said to be some frustration with Mauro for publicly absolving the WWE as this was seen as a chance for major changes to the culture of the WWE to take place.


I'm not sure if this major news outlet is aware but it's THE FUCKING WRESTLING BUSINESS. Hulk Hogan got his leg broken in the ring by a trainer. Haku ripped a guy's freakin' eyeball out! To say it's ingrained in the culture would be an understatement. These are aggro dudes that are paid to act like they're beating the shit out of each other and have historically battled any number of demons outside the ring. Even though I assume we've gotten past the days of guys, say, openly doing blow or shooting steroids in the locker room, I'm also pretty sure it's gonna have a bit of a different work culture than Google. If you don't think you're cut out for that, maybe, you know, don't work there.


Paddlefoot - 4-30-2017 at 04:14 PM

The stupid part about it is that if WWE had left the idiot hijinks inside the locker room where the guys could torment each other all they wanted then no one would really care. What makes this thing with Mauro, and Justin Roberts and presumably Lilian Garcia too, media-noticeable is that the bullying bullshit got extended outside of the circle of jocks to other personnel that have no way of fighting back against someone the size and physical shape of a JBL. Except for Joey Styles getting that lucky shot in on JBL and putting him on his ass, the others have either been fired or quit. And that's classic bullying right there. It's not trash-talking or even wrassler's court between two equally skilled opponents, where the target isn't going to be condemned by the other guys if he lays some asshole out. It's when someone with superior size and strength goes after someone who has zero chance of being able to fight back.

Leave the non-wrestling personnel out of this equation and no one cares at all. It then falls into the category of idiots hazing each other, not assault. JBL goes stiff on someone inside the ring as punishment? Then whoever he's doing that too can clock him one with an elbow of their own. The rest of the guys, and even crazy old Vince too, will be impressed and just go "ahh, leave him alone, he's got balls and is one of us now". Do some kind of backstage torment to someone like Lilian, just after her dad died? That's something only a lousy grade-A son of a bitch who should've been murdered long ago would do, and the ones standing around letting it happen (Vince, Dunn, Hunter, Steph) are just as equally shitty for not doing something about it.

[Edited on 4/30/2017 by Paddlefoot]


williamssl - 4-30-2017 at 07:34 PM

quote:
goon said this in the now-locked thread

I kinda skimmed over the last couple of pages, but did royberto ever produce any specific examples of people here bitching about Orton/Wyatt being a foregone conclusion and then those same people also bitching about it being a non-title match? Or is this like a Trump "I'm gonna make an accusatory statement and then not back it up with any facts" situation?





If you had skimmed gooder, you would have noted me already drawing that parallel and thus calling him Trumpberto


OORick - 4-30-2017 at 08:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Rick has only been "gone" since Tuesday evening. He started both the Raw and SD threads this week.


What he said.

The bad thing about SD on Tuesdays is that it can make for some serious viewing fatigue when all your wrestling happens back-to-back(-to back, on PPV weekends). But the good thing is that it makes the "wrestling week" much shorter, with less reason to ponder the squared circle in the interregnum.

It wasn't me that was MIA, it was the A itself.

That said, well done on the new thread. I had made a mental note that Part 1 was at nine-ninety-something on Tuesday, but forgot to follow-up with it.



Rick


Paddlefoot - 4-30-2017 at 10:23 PM

That's our Hitler!, err, Rick. Sorry, still stuck in Mel Brooks mode and having considerable difficulty shutting it off. Hey, Royberto, you look just like the piss boy.......

[Edited on 4/30/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Count Zero - 5-1-2017 at 05:20 AM

Mel Brooks mode? Does that mean we're getting OO: The FLAMETHROWER?

The kids LOVE that one.


CCharger - 5-1-2017 at 02:35 PM

I object to this entire thread due to the fact that rumor was spelled "rumour".


Jumbie - 5-1-2017 at 03:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I object to this entire thread due to the fact that rumor was spelled "rumour".


What have you got against proper spelling, you barbarian?


PB-13 - 5-1-2017 at 04:18 PM

Breaks from the Internets can be a good thing, especially given how combative people tend to be on social media. Presenting an opinion online these days is essentially asking for an argument.


DKBroiler - 5-1-2017 at 04:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
Breaks from the Internets can be a good thing, especially given how combative people tend to be on social media. Presenting an opinion online these days is essentially asking for an argument.


Fuck that! No one argues on the internet! Let's fight! Now I need to go wrap myself into the warm blanket of the Breitbart comments section until America recovers.


First 9 - 5-1-2017 at 08:41 PM

In random ass news, Billy Corgan has bought the NWA.

The only sensible decision there is to give the NWA Belt to Cody and have him tour around the World defending it.

[Edited on 5-1-2017 by First 9]


Paddlefoot - 5-2-2017 at 08:10 AM

* Sean Waltman no-showed an event in England on the weekend because he got arrested at LAX; no word yet on what charges he's facing but apparently it's a felony; he was released on $35K bail after about 18 hours in lock-up; best smark comment about this incident was seen on 411Mania with a "him trying to shit in someone's luggage obviously didn't go as planned" narrowly nudging out "it's not 1998 anymore, you can't give suck it signs to TSA" in the early running.


royberto - 5-2-2017 at 02:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Sean Waltman no-showed an event in England on the weekend because he got arrested at LAX; no word yet on what charges he's facing but apparently it's a felony; he was released on $35K bail after about 18 hours in lock-up; best smark comment about this incident was seen on 411Mania with a "him trying to shit in someone's luggage obviously didn't go as planned" narrowly nudging out "it's not 1998 anymore, you can't give suck it signs to TSA" in the early running.
He was busted on possession of meth and weed:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/sean-waltman-was-arrested-for-meth-weed/


CCharger - 5-2-2017 at 02:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
In random ass news, Billy Corgan has bought the NWA.

[Edited on 5-1-2017 by First 9]

Fuck Billy Corgan with a rusty tire iron.

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
best smark comment about this incident was seen on 411Mania with a "him trying to shit in someone's luggage obviously didn't go as planned" narrowly nudging out "it's not 1998 anymore, you can't give suck it signs to TSA" in the early running.

Waltman was quoted as telling his attorney :"Apparently giving the co-pilot the Bronco Buster during pre-flight boarding is frowned upon these days."

ETA: TMZ is reporting that Waltman was arrested for trying to transport meth and weed through customs to the UK and also had a warrant for a prior DUI.


Some grapplin' gossip:

* Vince and Co. were apparently "thrilled" with the way the finish of Strowman/Reigns went down. They believed Braun got over great as the monster heel, and Reigns finally elicited the babyface sympathy they have been craving for him.

* The Strowman injury is just storyline because they want both men to be "nursing serious injuries" going into their Ambulance Match at Extreme Rules. Vince believes having both men bandaged up provides better optics for such a match.

* Dirt sheetz are reporting that the Strowman/Reigns feud will culiminate in a #1 contenders match with Strowman winning and facing Lesnar at Great Balls of Fire. Reigns will interfere and cost Braun the win. Lesnar will then go on to face Balor at SummerSlam with Lesnar winning clean. Strowman and Reigns will also face each other. Again. At SummerSlam. With Reigns winning clean and setting the course for a showdown with Lesnar at Wrestlemania.

* Adam Cole's ROH contract has expired and he is in talks with the company to re-sign. He is also in contact with WWE about an NXT contract.





[Edited on 5-2-2017 by CCharger]

[Edited on 5-2-2017 by CCharger]


Jumbie - 5-2-2017 at 06:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
In random ass news, Billy Corgan has bought the NWA.

[Edited on 5-1-2017 by First 9]


I've never been a fan of these rock/rap collaborations, but maybe the nostalgia for 80s/90s acts will get it over. 'member Fuck the Police?


williamssl - 5-2-2017 at 07:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Some grapplin' gossip:

* Vince and Co. were apparently "thrilled" with the way the finish of Strowman/Reigns went down. They believed Braun got over great as the monster heel, and Reigns finally elicited the babyface sympathy they have been craving for him.




If "thank you, Strowman" after that post-match beatdown = babyface sympathy for Reigns, I suppose so.


PB-13 - 5-2-2017 at 07:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

* Vince and Co. were apparently "thrilled" with the way the finish of Strowman/Reigns went down. They believed Braun got over great as the monster heel, and Reigns finally elicited the babyface sympathy they have been craving for him.


wat.


punkerhardcore - 5-2-2017 at 07:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
I've never been a fan of these rock/rap collaborations, but maybe the nostalgia for 80s/90s acts will get it over. 'member Fuck the Police?


I lol'd.


And re: the Roman sympathy... fucking HA! at that load of horse dick. I can only imagine that conversation backstage. "Don't worry everyone... we'll just edit out the 'St-' sounds from future broadcasts."


CCharger - 5-2-2017 at 08:03 PM

Yeah, clearly, this is a rumor that just doesn't make a lot of sense to your average informed viewer, but it is so...well....perfectly WWE as to ring true. I can almost imagine Vince, disconnected from reality and the outside world, surrounded by his yes men in gorilla after that match sipping on a Muscle Milk, convinced that everything is going according to plan.

ETA: Sean Waltman has spoken with TMZ. He denies that he has fallen off the wagon and claims that the pills were to treat a...*clears throat*...yeast infection.

[Edited on 5-2-2017 by CCharger]


Count Zero - 5-2-2017 at 10:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
ETA: Sean Waltman has spoken with TMZ. He denies that he has fallen off the wagon and claims that the pills were to treat a...*clears throat*...yeast infection.

[Edited on 5-2-2017 by CCharger]


ETA: TMZ is reporting that Waltman was arrested for trying to transport meth and weed through customs to the UK and also had a warrant for a prior DUI.

I want me some weed pills. It would be so much easier to deal with, if I could just take one with my flintstones chewable vitamin in the morning. Unless *gasp* TMZ got the facts wrong?


ulsterphil - 5-2-2017 at 11:28 PM

quote:
* Vince and Co. were apparently "thrilled" with the way the finish of Strowman/Reigns went down. They believed Braun got over great as the monster heel, and Reigns finally elicited the babyface sympathy they have been craving for him.

* The Strowman injury is just storyline because they want both men to be "nursing serious injuries" going into their Ambulance Match at Extreme Rules. Vince believes having both men bandaged up provides better optics for such a match.



Surely conventional wrestling wisdom would suggest that if they want babyface sympathy for Reigns they should have Strowman show up on Raw playing up his heel victory and for Reigns to be in worse looking shape for the Ambulance match to get a better reaction for him?

Then again, that might seem too much like sense.


ulsterphil - 5-2-2017 at 11:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
ETA: Sean Waltman has spoken with TMZ. He denies that he has fallen off the wagon and claims that the pills were to treat a...*clears throat*...yeast infection.

[Edited on 5-2-2017 by CCharger]


ETA: TMZ is reporting that Waltman was arrested for trying to transport meth and weed through customs to the UK and also had a warrant for a prior DUI.

I want me some weed pills. It would be so much easier to deal with, if I could just take one with my flintstones chewable vitamin in the morning. Unless *gasp* TMZ got the facts wrong?


This is Brexit in full effect, when there becomes an issue with either the availability of weed and meth in the UK you know theres issues.


the goon - 5-2-2017 at 11:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Dirt sheetz are reporting that the Strowman/Reigns feud will culiminate in a #1 contenders match with Strowman winning and facing Lesnar at Great Balls of Fire. Reigns will interfere and cost Braun the win. Lesnar will then go on to face Balor at SummerSlam with Lesnar winning clean. Strowman and Reigns will also face each other. Again. At SummerSlam. With Reigns winning clean and setting the course for a showdown with Lesnar at Wrestlemania.


I'd really like to say that there's no way in fuck the WWE has that much booking planned out in advance, but dammit...it seems plausible.


First 9 - 5-3-2017 at 05:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Some grapplin' gossip:

* Dirt sheetz are reporting that the Strowman/Reigns feud will culiminate in a #1 contenders match with Strowman winning and facing Lesnar at Great Balls of Fire. Reigns will interfere and cost Braun the win. Lesnar will then go on to face Balor at SummerSlam with Lesnar winning clean. Strowman and Reigns will also face each other. Again. At SummerSlam. With Reigns winning clean and setting the course for a showdown with Lesnar at Wrestlemania.





What dissapoints me most about this is a Lesnar/Strowman match being as a simple set up for something else. The legit badass vs the cartoony monster could have been all kinds of fun if they went all in.

[Edited on 5-3-2017 by First 9]


CCharger - 5-3-2017 at 12:46 PM

Strowman is just a checkpoint to the final destination for Vince which is Roman vs. Brock. That's their big money match in their minds. That's the passing of the torch moment when Roman "gets all the way over". It's Hogan/Andre. It's Bret/Austin. It's Bryan/HHH.


G-Spot - 5-4-2017 at 03:59 AM

* Word is Michael Hayes is to blame for the House of Horrors match. It's being said he has been pitching the match for almost 15 years, and Vince finally gave in.

*On Facebook, a fan posted to Matt Hardy saying he has betrayed the 7 Deities to which Matt replied, "The #7Deities have told me that my #BROKEN CONDISHTION will return fully as soon as the OBSOLETE Owl is fully DELETED."


First 9 - 5-4-2017 at 10:43 AM

I bet the original pitch for the House of Horros was when Kane was unmasked and having all sorts of gimmick matches. Kane was probably going to get his infamous car battery from the car that would bring him back to the arena.


punkerhardcore - 5-4-2017 at 05:24 PM

Charlotte is the latest victim of a nude photo hack.

They're easily found with a Google search... but yikes. The company probably could have included those pictures in the House of Horrors match.


salmonjunkie - 5-4-2017 at 05:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
I bet the original pitch for the House of Horros was when Kane was unmasked and having all sorts of gimmick matches. Kane was probably going to get his infamous car battery from the car that would bring him back to the arena.


Or if it could've been a gimmick match for the Godfather.


janerd75 - 5-4-2017 at 09:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Charlotte is the latest victim of a nude photo hack.

They're easily found with a Google search... but yikes. The company probably could have included those pictures in the House of Horrors match.


So, it's come to this. I thought you were one of the good ones.


punkerhardcore - 5-4-2017 at 11:37 PM

Her titties look all lopsided. The doctor who did her boob job isn't a very good plastic surgeon.

And her pussy seems... off. It's all shriveled and dehydrated looking. Like it needs to be reconstituted with water or something.


CCharger - 5-4-2017 at 11:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Her titties look all lopsided. The doctor who did her boob job isn't a very good plastic surgeon.

And her pussy seems... off. It's all shriveled and dehydrated looking. Like it needs to be reconstituted with water or something.

Perhaps she should shove an ice dildo up there or something.


janerd75 - 5-5-2017 at 12:02 AM

That's yOOur Queen, a-holes. And maybe she needs a good dude to wet her desert or something.


CM Crunk - 5-5-2017 at 12:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
That's yOOur Queen, a-holes. And maybe she needs a good dude to wet her desert or something.


I don't think I'll have any trouble sitting this one out. After all, there's plenty of old NWA/WCW PPVs on the Network for me to watch if I want to see any disturbing Flair gashes.


CM Crunk - 5-5-2017 at 12:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by G-Spot
* Word is Michael Hayes is to blame for the House of Horrors match. It's being said he has been pitching the match for almost 15 years, and Vince finally gave in.


Sounds legit. At least insofar as it backs up Edge & Christian's story on one of the first episodes of their podcast about PS having a hard-on for a House of Harrs match dating back to the TLC/T.I.T. days. It's actually funny that they brought it up when they did, because a week or two later the match was announced.


janerd75 - 5-5-2017 at 02:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
That's yOOur Queen, a-holes. And maybe she needs a good dude to wet her desert or something.


I don't think I'll have any trouble sitting this one out. After all, there's plenty of old NWA/WCW PPVs on the Network for me to watch if I want to see any disturbing Flair gashes.




Why you rotten smart-ass infrequent posting lil' fucker. If you could keep your libel to yourself and infuse moar Papa Crunkerisms back into the fold that'd be great.


DKBroiler - 5-5-2017 at 02:37 AM

Thanks for the new titties random internet thief who may or may not be Janerd. For the love of all that's Royberto let Beckie be next.

That said, it's always a bit sad when a lady looks better with clothes on.

[Edited on 5-5-2017 by DKBroiler]

[Edited on 5-5-2017 by DKBroiler]


janerd75 - 5-5-2017 at 02:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Thanks for the new titties random internet thief who may or may not be Janerd. For the love of all that's Royberto let Beckie be next.

That said, it's always a bit sad when a lady looks better with clothes on.



Bastards. All of you.


DKBroiler - 5-5-2017 at 03:47 AM


Count Zero - 5-5-2017 at 06:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
That's yOOur Drag Queen, a-holes.


FTFY.


janerd75 - 5-5-2017 at 06:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
That's yOOur Drag Queen, a-holes.


FTFY.



G-Spot - 5-5-2017 at 08:23 PM

Former WWE wrestler Victoria has now had a sex video and nude pics hacked and posted. Who's next?

NSFW link if you must....

https://www.celebjihad.com/wwe-divas/wwe-diva-victoria-nude-photos-sex-tape-video-leaked


nOOb - 5-5-2017 at 08:33 PM

Since there's a topic for it in that other thread, it'd be cool if we could get that link switched out to a link to that topic instead. I'd prefer not to swipe-click it on my phone and whatnot.


Chris Is Good517 - 5-5-2017 at 08:33 PM

Man, I don't want to victim shame in any capacity, because I'm all for being empowered by your sexuality and loving your body and sharing photos of it with whomever you choose, and it is appalling that these women keep having their privacy violated, but with that said: these women have to learn to stop leaving this shit in the cloud. It's gonna get hacked. You had the reasonable expectation of privacy pre-Fappening, but that was two years ago and it seems like nobody has learned anything.


Count Zero - 5-5-2017 at 09:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
That's yOOur Drag Queen, a-holes.


FTFY.


*polite video-response*

You're welcome! Have a good day, eh buddy?


Paddlefoot - 5-8-2017 at 12:53 AM

* Emma got injured during the WWE tour of England this weekend; Sasha did that double-knee to the gut while Emma was laying across the second turnbuckle; Emma landed awkwardly on her right shoulder and couldn't continue so the ref signaled the dreaded X-for-injury; looks like some kind of shoulder separation that happened

* Titus O'Neill is getting sued for over a million dollars by a cameraman that worked on the WWE Swerved prank show; apparently during the episode with the cattle prod, when Titus got zapped he booted the cameraman in the arm, knocking the camera out of his hand; the plaintiff is suing for damage to his fingers, hand, and arm


Flash - 5-8-2017 at 01:56 AM

The Titus thing is likely one of those sounds worse than it really will be... Jericho talked about getting sued in I think his third book and in sum it was basically that Vince is pretty adamant about going to the mat on frivolous or over-inflated lawsuits ... no matter what it costs them in lawyers fee's to fight it.

Even if that wasn't the case it is doubtful that Titus would be on the hook for anywhere near that amount given the whole getting zapped by a cattle prod thing and ensuing bodily reactions likely being arguably involuntary... The WWE, The Swerved producers (that Jackass guy), and whomever it was that shocked Titus would likely be more culpable targets. I can't speak to American law but there is a case up here in Canada (I work in insurance doing claims, so fault and cause factor into it quite a bit) that kind of addressed the whole proximate cause thing; or is frequently trotted out as an example; basically you have a kid lighting a fire cracker and throwing it at a person; that person then catches it and knocks it into a stand/store which then catches fire... while the guy who touched it last is the last link in the chain, the culpable party would be the person who directly set off the chain of events... I'm assuming something like this is probably the general thinking in the USA courts, or at least some form of fault percentage is applied by the courts.


janerd75 - 5-8-2017 at 02:06 AM

As Titus is a fellow Gator whom I'm contractually obligated to support and as a practitioner of Bird Law, I'm going with the He Who Smelt It Dealt It defense.


Paddlefoot - 5-8-2017 at 04:46 AM

Re-read it again and the guy is claiming Titus kicked him deliberately, not because of a spasm from getting shocked, and that he fled from the room because he was afraid Titus was gonna beat the shit out of him.

* Glenn (Kane) Jacobs picked up the endorsement today of Senator Rand Paul in the race for local batcrap crazy Ayn Rand-roid libertarian candidate for, err, mayor of Knox County, Kentucky

[Edited on 5/8/2017 by Paddlefoot]


royberto - 5-8-2017 at 05:16 PM

Jim Ross has announced he will be doing commentary with Nigel McGuinness for the recent UK shows taped in Norwich,England to air on WWE Network:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/jim-ross-nigel-mcguinness-to-do-commentary-for-the-wwe-uk-tv-show/

[Edited on 5-8-2017 by royberto]


CCharger - 5-9-2017 at 02:51 PM

* Strowman will be undergoing minor surgery to his elbow which will keep him out of action for 6 t0 8 weeks. He will be replaced at both Extreme Rules and Great Balls of Fire, but there's been no determination by whom.


Slick - 5-9-2017 at 03:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Strowman will be undergoing minor surgery to his elbow which will keep him out of action for 6 t0 8 weeks. He will be replaced at both Extreme Rules and Great Balls of Fire, but there's been no determination by whom.


This sucks, but I do look forward to his return and yelling "I'm not finished with you!!!!!" before beating the holy hell out of Roman Reigns for his heinous attack!


First 9 - 5-10-2017 at 08:34 AM

Ugh, that news has been followed with rumors that they'll do Roman vs Bray again in the mean time. Can they just put the poor bastard out of his misery and take him out of the upper midcard/Main Event scene?


Flash - 5-10-2017 at 04:31 PM

It's funny that Bray versus Roman has kind of fallen from the realm of being a (maybe not must-see) very cool matchup... go bad what 3-4 years ago when you had that stand off in the ring between the Shield and the Wyatts where Bray and Roman were front and centre to one another and that looked like something that could potentially be a generational ongoing feud.

Now Roman gets pops (or is it the other guy) when someone kicks his ass, and Bray gets a pop during his entrance, says a bunch of weird shit, then either gets hurt or loses or wins but then is subsequently forgotten for a few months.


Thom - 5-10-2017 at 07:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Re-read it again and the guy is claiming Titus kicked him deliberately, not because of a spasm from getting shocked, and that he fled from the room because he was afraid Titus was gonna beat the shit out of him.

* Glenn (Kane) Jacobs picked up the endorsement today of Senator Rand Paul in the race for local batcrap crazy Ayn Rand-roid libertarian candidate for, err, mayor of Knox County, Kentucky

[Edited on 5/8/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Just for Shits n Giggles:



I like that there was no bashing of the other candidate(s). Or electrocution of their genitalia. But, who knows?


lz4005 - 5-10-2017 at 08:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Glenn (Kane) Jacobs picked up the endorsement today of Senator Rand Paul in the race for local batcrap crazy Ayn Rand-roid libertarian candidate for, err, mayor of Knox County, Kentucky


He's running for mayor of Knox County Tennessee.

There's also a Knox KY, but that one isn't being invaded by Kanenites.


CCharger - 5-10-2017 at 09:07 PM

No one else is amused that Mr. Jacobs is using fire symbols and motifs in his campaign?

Frankly, I'm not surprised. If elected, Mr. Jacobs, a libertarian, has vowed to eliminate all fire codes.


Count Zero - 5-11-2017 at 03:36 AM

Surprised? No. Amused? Hell (heh) yes.

BAH GAWD!!! HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE POLLING BOOTHS, KING!!!


Paddlefoot - 5-11-2017 at 04:02 AM

Sets local Democrat on fire, wins election by 30-point margin.


OffIceman - 5-11-2017 at 07:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Sets local Democrat on fire, wins election by 30-point margin.

He's running in Tennessee, does he really need to set a Democrat on fire to win by 30%?


Thom - 5-11-2017 at 12:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OffIceman

He's running in Tennessee, does he really need to set a Democrat on fire to win by 30%?


Well, he's running as a Libertarian, not a Republican. So, mabey?


Chris Is Good517 - 5-11-2017 at 08:30 PM

Take this with the appropriate helping of salt, but the word is that Vince wants Aleister Black on the main roster yesterday.

I'm all for it, but we heard this rumor about Finn for a good year before he actually got called up, so I won't hold my breath.


GodEatGod - 5-11-2017 at 09:16 PM

This is terrible. But I can't stop laughing.


Count Zero - 5-12-2017 at 01:21 AM

Alberto El Patron Del Rio has apparently retired from active competition. He's been part-time-turned-into-full-time teaching at the Great Khali's wrasslin' academy, if the news sheetz is to be believed. Paraphrasing a quote reportedly from AEPDR, at first he had a dozen or so students, then biz kept picking up until he was training pretty much morning-til-midnite. He feels he really enjoys training, and says that's what he's going to do now.

Source: the Google App Thing on my Phone suggested it as a story I'd be interested in. Google it if you want more specific info? This is RUMORZ CRAP, after all.

[Edited on 5-12-2017 by Count Zero]


janerd75 - 5-12-2017 at 02:26 AM

Rumour has it wrasslin' may not be entirely on the level...





What say you, Jimmy C?



Correct, praise JC. Even a blind man can see...


GodEatGod - 5-12-2017 at 08:47 AM

Do people really still get upset about wrestlers breaking kayfabe outside of the show? Really? Are they still worried about Y2K, too?


Big G - 5-12-2017 at 09:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
... Great Khali's wrasslin' academy, if the news sheetz is to be believed.
[Edited on 5-12-2017 by Count Zero]


Great Khali has a wrestling school!? What the hell does he teach there? How to deliver the world's least believable headbutt?


CCharger - 5-12-2017 at 01:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Alberto El Patron Del Rio has apparently retired from active competition. He's been part-time-turned-into-full-time teaching at the Great Khali's wrasslin' academy, if the news sheetz is to be believed. Paraphrasing a quote reportedly from AEPDR, at first he had a dozen or so students, then biz kept picking up until he was training pretty much morning-til-midnite. He feels he really enjoys training, and says that's what he's going to do now.

Source: the Google App Thing on my Phone suggested it as a story I'd be interested in. Google it if you want more specific info? This is RUMORZ CRAP, after all.

[Edited on 5-12-2017 by Count Zero]

He just won the Global Force Wrestling championship and is booked to wrestle Impact champion Bobby Lashley to unify the belts - a match he is likely to win.

I'd say this rumor is premature at best and inaccurate at worst.


Flash - 5-12-2017 at 03:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Do people really still get upset about wrestlers breaking kayfabe outside of the show? Really? Are they still worried about Y2K, too?


I think there's breaking kayfabe, and then there's breaking kayfabe... like a heel signing some autographs and not walking around in character at all times is one thing... or even a couple guys going out to a bar afterwards after having had a match and... but its another for them in the middle of a feud to go and post something themselves.

We know its fake, but its one thing to know it, and another to shove it in our faces.


janerd75 - 5-12-2017 at 04:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Do people really still get upset about wrestlers breaking kayfabe outside of the show? Really? Are they still worried about Y2K, too?


I think there's breaking kayfabe, and then there's breaking kayfabe... like a heel signing some autographs and not walking around in character at all times is one thing... or even a couple guys going out to a bar afterwards after having had a match and... but its another for them in the middle of a feud to go and post something themselves.

We know its fake, but its one thing to know it, and another to shove it in our faces.


I do, at least a little bit and for the reasons Corny mentioned. Sure, The Secret™ has long been out now as far as the backstage mechanics of wrasslin' and that added revenue Genie got so fat that it's never going back in the bottle agayn. But, in some instances, especially in a supposed megafeud like what they're trying to put over with Roman/Braun, I think it'd be wise to at least keep the two apart for the duration given the prevalence of cell phone videos these days possibly undermining what WWE's trying so hard to get over.

And like Corny mentioned, these people aren't just like actors hanging out off set whose characters might be opposing each other on screen. They're performers in a genre all by itself that operates under a certain set of rules in a whatever the fuck attempt to preserve suspension of disbelief. Scripted entertainment? Of course it is and even the most diehard of fans can't deny that anymore lest they be involuntarily committed.

But for fake combatants to pal around on social media, to me, kinda takes the allure out of the things they do in the ring. Sure, maybe a Jericho and Owens can get away with it. But in Braun you have a guy going through a monster push to parts unknown that should retain all the mystique he can until he inevitably gets so popular that then he can go do stupid shit like talk shows and more exposé stuff.

Roman though? At the moment his trajectory isn't going to be Cena's and stuff like this is only going to add to the negativity surrounding his character. At some point the vitriol is going to turn to apathy, regardless of the front office's culpability in failing to get a handsome, well-built, good worker over. Savvy wrasslin' fans whut don't cotton to Reigns will use photos like those to add more fuel to the fire of shitting all over everything he does.

In conclusion, those in a megafeud with each other should probably not mingle outside of the ringle, (I can't believe I'm saying this) stop taking so many goddamn nudies and treating their storage so casually, and especially don't video yourself taking Brad Maddox's finishing move all over your face and title belt.

My lawn, get off it.



And as far as Y2K goes, how do you know that wasn't the date the Illuminati Lizardpeople switched us all over simultaneously to the Matrix and we've been living in a simulated Israeli/Deep State hellscape designed to relieve us all of our precious bodily fluids? Bet you didn't even consider that as an option, huh? Praise ▲!!!

[Edited on 5-12-2017 by janerd75]


CCharger - 5-12-2017 at 04:50 PM

If we don't care about kayfabe anymore, then why were people on here so upset about all the inconsistencies in the House of Horrors match?


GodEatGod - 5-12-2017 at 05:15 PM

I mean, I don't really care that much about them, except when they seem to show a lack of attention to detail in terms of the product being presented.

I dunno, I assume most of the people backstage are friends. Hell, I assume people in long, intense feuds are probably -better- friends cause that's the guy you're working with every night. Being close probably leads to better matches.

And they're not shoving it in your face. If it were on the WWE website or being shown on RAW, sure. But if you follow a wrestler's social media and expect kayfabe content...I don't know what to tell ya.

Cornette's a great manager, but about this shit, he's fucking dumb.

[Edited on 5-12-2017 by GodEatGod]


Paddlefoot - 5-12-2017 at 05:47 PM

HOH was terrible because they were half-assing it. It might have worked better with a different opponent for Bray than Orton, who simply doesn't have the range of skills to pull of something like that. Compare it to the fight in the swamp the Wyatt's had with New Day last year. For the criticism it got for ripping off what Matt Hardy was up to at the time it was still much superior to HOH. The brawl in the field was great in terms of pure goofy fun, Xavi was way better than Orton at showing some legit fear and apprehension of the Wyatt's, and they finished it off with a creepy moment with New Day retreating as all the "fireflies" came out.

I guess what it means is that if they're going to do something that has the potential to turn out really dumb then they have to go full-bore with it just so whatever intensity they can bring to it can overcome the inherent flaws of trying to kayfabe in a no-kayfabe world. Orton can go full-bore in the ring but he isn't up to the task for these kinds of side-events. I'm not blaming him specifically for HOH failing but it's noticeable that Bray isn't getting very much criticism at all for his part of the HOH. It's just that it's something that doesn't play to the strong side of Orton's skill set, therefore he shouldn't have been involved in it to begin with.


ThePunisher - 5-12-2017 at 05:52 PM

Looks like Rock may have a few new projects in the works.



[Edited on 5-12-2017 by ThePunisher]


Count Zero - 5-12-2017 at 07:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Alberto El Patron Del Rio has apparently retired from active competition. He's been part-time-turned-into-full-time teaching at the Great Khali's wrasslin' academy, if the news sheetz is to be believed. Paraphrasing a quote reportedly from AEPDR, at first he had a dozen or so students, then biz kept picking up until he was training pretty much morning-til-midnite. He feels he really enjoys training, and says that's what he's going to do now.

Source: the Google App Thing on my Phone suggested it as a story I'd be interested in. Google it if you want more specific info? This is RUMORZ CRAP, after all.

[Edited on 5-12-2017 by Count Zero]

He just won the Global Force Wrestling championship and is booked to wrestle Impact champion Bobby Lashley to unify the belts - a match he is likely to win.

I'd say this rumor is premature at best and inaccurate at worst.
Yup! You are correct. I'm glad this is rumor crap, and not actual news. My phone is a terrible journalist.


Paddlefoot - 5-12-2017 at 07:21 PM

* Brie Bella finally gave birth; mother and babby are doing well; in an effort to stick it to StepHHH as far as silly names for children goes, Brie & Daniel named the girl Birdie Joe; odds are running even right now that with a name like that the kid will either be bullied into a lifelong eating disorder or turn into the greatest female golfer of all time


Chris Is Good517 - 5-12-2017 at 08:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
And they're not shoving it in your face. If it were on the WWE website or being shown on RAW, sure. But if you follow a wrestler's social media and expect kayfabe content...I don't know what to tell ya.



THIS THIS THIS.

Sorry, but fuck you if you think these dudes can't put whatever they want on their personal social media accounts.


CM Crunk - 5-12-2017 at 09:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Take this with the appropriate helping of salt, but the word is that Vince wants Aleister Black on the main roster yesterday.

I'm all for it, but we heard this rumor about Finn for a good year before he actually got called up, so I won't hold my breath.



First 9 - 5-12-2017 at 10:02 PM

Main Event might actually be worth watching if they make it an NXT vs WWE show where they let promising prospects work their first main roster matches before officially debuting on SD or RAW.

Also, with flashy, flippy stuff becoming the norm in WWE, it's impressive that Aleister got good reactions. Dude is an awesome Triple Threat of cool moves, interesting look and phenomenal character work.


janerd75 - 5-12-2017 at 10:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I mean, I don't really care that much about them, except when they seem to show a lack of attention to detail in terms of the product being presented.

I dunno, I assume most of the people backstage are friends. Hell, I assume people in long, intense feuds are probably -better- friends cause that's the guy you're working with every night. Being close probably leads to better matches.

And they're not shoving it in your face. If it were on the WWE website or being shown on RAW, sure. But if you follow a wrestler's social media and expect kayfabe content...I don't know what to tell ya.

Cornette's a great manager, but about this shit, he's batshit stubbornly insane.



Oh, I agree for the most part. But I also do file it under the "lack of attention to detail in terms of the product being presented" you mentioned. But since I don't want anyone fucking me for my esteemed opinion I will say it's at least a relatively low concern of mine as far as wrasslin' etiquette goes. Sure, absolutely, if you follow a wrassler's social media feeds you're certain to see some things that don't correlate to what's presented on screen so don't go there if you don't want to know. Same with movie spoiler sites. Don't want to know how the sausage is made, then stay out of the kitchen. And I don't necessarily think they should be prohibited from posting stuff either unless they were asked by TPTB not to because of the relative seriousness of an angle.

Just for me personally I like a bit more character immersion and at least attempted kayfabey-ness that helps to further the illusion that these people are really fighting. Stuff like Kevin Owens going off on someone on Twatter, for instance. But sure, these guys are touring together, cameras are everywhere, and eventually images will make the leap to yokels like me that don't follow any of their social media stuff. Tomato/tomahto I guess.

Also, I have fixed something for you.

Hey, what the what?!?! THIS IS FACKING BOOLSHET!!!


GodEatGod - 5-12-2017 at 10:57 PM

I think it's perfectly fair to prefer it a certain way - it's only when it goes over the line into expecting it or losing one's mind about it. As far as Cornette goes, losing his mind in a way that's certainly pleasing to his podcast and/or ICW audience that follows him for precisely these kinds of rants and, in fact, he probably overreacts specifically to egg them on a bit and get eyeballs on his own product because all wrestling people are carnies who are taking your money. Which is also perfectly fair.


First 9 - 5-12-2017 at 11:51 PM

WWE is having cold feet about the Charlotte face turn. Now, it seems she'll pull a classic Flair and turn on Naomi and Becky with the intention of doing Charlotte vs Naomi.

I like Carmella and how far she's progressed but this is probably for the best. She can keep getting better without having the pressure of being the division's top heel.

[Edited on 5-12-2017 by First 9]


Paddlefoot - 5-13-2017 at 03:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
WWE is having cold feet about the Charlotte face turn. Now, it seems she'll pull a classic Flair and turn on Naomi and Becky with the intention of doing Charlotte vs Naomi.


So, like this except with girls. Might as well. They're basically scripting Becky as one the most gullible trusting saps since Sting.


OORick - 5-13-2017 at 05:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Main Event might actually be worth watching if they make it an NXT vs WWE show where they let promising prospects work their first main roster matches before officially debuting on SD or RAW.


This might be my favorite new idea that I've seen in a long while.... ever since the old NXT (the one on USA Network) went down, I have been a fan of creating a "bonus hour" of WWE TV that has STAKES.

My best idea was for a Network-exclusive hour that would be TV-14 and way more edgy... kind of a wild wild west frontier with few rules and even less oversight, where guys (and gals) would have the freedom to try anything and everything. I guess my idea was to just make a giant sandbox where everybody on the roster would have the chance to do something as random-but-viral as "Z! True Long Island Story" just with the WWE infrastructure.... think the recent Southpaw Regional Wrestling videos, but not so nostalgic.

But I sort of love the idea of an NXT/WWE "qualifying show" where NXT's top hands who aren't fashionable but are able (everybody KNOWS Bobby Roode is getting a call-up; but guys like Tye Dillenger or Apollo Crews or The Drifter just sort of get random call-ups when they can't do anything more in NXT) can battle WWE's skilled-but-directionless undercarders (like Tye Dillenger and Apollo Crews, ahem).

It's a great way to eliminate this problem of just promoting somebody, because they "solved" NXT, and you want them out of developmental, but don't want to release them. Tye and Apollo really are the best current examples, but this is a situation that more or less explains Tyler Breeze's initial shitty promotion (I have high hopes for the Fashion Police, though), and utter failures like the Ascension and Vaudevillians (both of whom were as good as they were ever gonna get in NXT, but it turns out, they might not have been quite good enough for RAW or SD).

If somebody starts to get into this "they've outlived their usefulness to NXT, but we still don't know for sure if they can sell tickets on the main roster" zone, you send them to this freshly imagined version of WWE Superstars or WWE Main Event... there, they face off against the bottom rung of existing RAW/SD stars, who are fighting for their very life.

I think that could be fun, and a new Network-exclusive hour that would have some "must-see" to it (just like NXT and 205).


Rick

[Edited on 5-13-2017 by OORick]


Slade - 5-13-2017 at 07:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
If we don't care about kayfabe anymore, then why were people on here so upset about all the inconsistencies in the House of Horrors match?


I can care about the inconsistencies in the House of Horrors match - not that I did all that much, mind you - because it is actually a part of the product. It was scripted and filmed to be consumed as a part of the show. In the case of a bunch of wrestlers going site seeing together, I couldn't care less because that's done in their own time. That isn't scripted nor is it meant to be consumed as a part of the fictional entertainment that is produced by WWE.


Count Zero - 5-13-2017 at 08:02 PM

Yup. If we can care about continuity errors in movies/teevee (Why is Ben Hur wearing a wristwatch (though according to Charlton Heston there was no such watch), and so forth) we ought to be expected to care about it in a scripted-sports-entertainment production. Not so much on the tweetspacebook, but on the televised product it is part of Doing It Right. If you're going to put that sort of thing out there for us to consume, at least Do It Right. Do it as silly and nonsensically as you want, but pay attention to the details you are establishing as part of the scene.


williamssl - 5-13-2017 at 08:06 PM

Rumorzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz have Reigns entering a feud with Miz instead of Wyatt to substitute for the shelved-to-injury Stroman feud. Same rumorzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz have this being for the IC title such that when Reigns faces Brock at WM, it would be for the only singles belt he hasn't won = Universal title.


Count Zero - 5-13-2017 at 09:24 PM

According to the Wrestling Observer Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE are looking to change their plans for the main event of Wrestlemania 34 in New Orleans. Sources say John Cena vs. Roman Reigns is one of the big main event matches they are looking to have.

As for Brock Lesnar, he is still planned to be the Universal Champion heading into the event and Braun Strowman is now the heavy favorite to headline the show especially the way he has been impressing management this year alone. Another alternative they are looking to is to have Kurt Angle to challenge Brock Lesnar for the title, similar to the Goldberg run and more of a farewell tour.

Plans for the WWE Championship are AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura. Vince McMahon has been Styles and Nakamura's biggest fan and is considerably high on both given their positive attitude, being extremely well liked backstage, the crowd reactions and both being the top merchandise sellers.

F4WOnline.com

Yeah, I copy-pasted that.


DKBroiler - 5-13-2017 at 09:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by First 9
WWE is having cold feet about the Charlotte face turn. Now, it seems she'll pull a classic Flair and turn on Naomi and Becky with the intention of doing Charlotte vs Naomi.


So, like this except with girls. Might as well. They're basically scripting Becky as one the most gullible trusting saps since Sting.




This is 100% what I thought when I read that too.


First 9 - 5-13-2017 at 10:39 PM

Nakamura is already a top merch seller?


anglefan85 - 5-13-2017 at 10:59 PM

Although the WWE has yet to confirm it, according to an interview that Cena did today, we can expect to see more episodes of Southpaw Regional Wrestling sometime in the near future.

https://clyp.it/cz33o52d

[Edited on 5-13-2017 by anglefan85]


the goon - 5-14-2017 at 12:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
According to the Wrestling Observer Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE are looking to change their plans for the main event of Wrestlemania 34 in New Orleans. Sources say John Cena vs. Roman Reigns is one of the big main event matches they are looking to have.

As for Brock Lesnar, he is still planned to be the Universal Champion heading into the event and Braun Strowman is now the heavy favorite to headline the show especially the way he has been impressing management this year alone. Another alternative they are looking to is to have Kurt Angle to challenge Brock Lesnar for the title, similar to the Goldberg run and more of a farewell tour.

Plans for the WWE Championship are AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura. Vince McMahon has been Styles and Nakamura's biggest fan and is considerably high on both given their positive attitude, being extremely well liked backstage, the crowd reactions and both being the top merchandise sellers.


While I'm always doubtful that the WWE has WrestleMania plans penciled in months and months in advance, I would be okay with any and all of this.


Chris Is Good517 - 5-14-2017 at 02:16 AM

They're likely to change their minds four dozen times between now and next year about what they're doing at Mania with Reigns and Brock, but if they really build for AJ vs. Nakamura I will totally make the trip to NOLA for that.


Count Zero - 5-14-2017 at 03:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
According to the Wrestling Observer Dave Meltzer


While I'm always doubtful that the WWE has WrestleMania plans penciled in months and months in advance, I would be okay with any and all of this.
But...but... YOU DARE DOUBT THE MIGHTY MELTZ?!?!?!?!

Though to be semi-serious, didn't they used to do things that way? Figure out what matches they wanted at Event XYZ, I mean, and worked backward from there? I know that "Card is Subject To Change", and injuries happen, but wouldn't it be nice if they -were- using some kind of long-term approach instead of flinging feces at the walls of the writer monkey cage?


the goon - 5-14-2017 at 04:30 AM

Since they missed the boat on Cena/Taker, I think they need to do Cena/Reigns before Cena is in Hollywood full-time. Hell, I love the idea of a Cena vs Reigns program and would be all for it if it were to happen at WrestleMania.


janerd75 - 5-14-2017 at 05:54 AM

Ahhhhhhhhh-HEM. WWE not planning WM months in advance, you say?



Not to take the piss out of anyone, but they've done it before (twice, in fact) to the varying enjoyment of the Universe. There would be some decent Wheel In The Sky (do ya kennit?) symmetry with Cena first facing Rock and then Reigns at a WM. How-fucking-ever, Reigns has a toxic Pigpen-from-Peanuts-comics cloud following him no matter who shows up to support him. Recall, the crowd even ReBOOOOO'd him standing next to Megastarus Rock when he won the Rumble a couple years ago.

As an aside, how fucking odd would that be for even the perennial years-long smark-fan pariah in Cena to get cheered over the still loathed (but not really his fault) Roman Reigns. A reminder: Braun Strowman, he of joyously easy re-nicknamery, who has been on the main roster for a relatively short while, was getting THANK YOU STROW-MAN chants after he walloped and ambulance flipped Reigns the fuck away from us for a week or so.

Also, they shouldn't be photo'd palling around together taking sweetheart photos at the Roman Colosseum of all mutherfuckin' places but do whatever the fuck you think is right Vince, goddamn.


royberto - 5-14-2017 at 08:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
According to the Wrestling Observer Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE are looking to change their plans for the main event of Wrestlemania 34 in New Orleans. Sources say John Cena vs. Roman Reigns is one of the big main event matches they are looking to have.
But that can't be. You and the other dirtsheet writers have insisted for months that Lesnar vs. Reigns was for Wrestlemania 34.


G. Jonah Jameson - 5-14-2017 at 01:01 PM

Isn't it fairly well established that the WWE booking team, and Vince McMahon in particular, generally makes Wrestlemania plans well in advance and then changes them 100,000 times in the intervening months? I mean, I'm not saying the likes of Dave Meltzer don't get things wrong all the time, but there's no reason "WWE wants Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns to headline Wrestlemania 34" and "WWE wants John Cena vs. Roman Reigns to headline Wrestlemania 34" can't both be accurate at different points in time.


Count Zero - 5-14-2017 at 05:46 PM

"I" have had no WM booking ideas or plans. I try not to predict insanity, because it's pretty unpredictable. As usual, Bertsie adds nothing to the discussion, and does it in the most condescendingly trollish way possible.

Where's that ignore list at, anywho?


williamssl - 5-14-2017 at 06:57 PM

I'm gonna give Trumpberto the benefit of the doubt and assume that the "YOU" was directed at Meltzer and not The Count, although that could have been easily clarified in the original post with


CM Crunk - 5-14-2017 at 11:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I'm gonna give Trumpberto the benefit of the doubt and assume that the "YOU" was directed at Meltzer and not The Count, although that could have been easily clarified in the original post with


You know what I think? I think you just promoted yourself to OOfficial Aspergo whisperer.


Count Zero - 5-15-2017 at 12:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I'm gonna give Trumpberto the benefit of the doubt and assume that the "YOU" was directed at Meltzer and not The Count, although that could have been easily clarified in the original post with
I thought he knew all the best words?

Eta: And I will agree with you, it probably was the generic-you, but I figured in this case it'd be worth pointing out the fact that I don't try to fantasy book, because Card Is Subject To Change & Vince's/HHH's Whimsy, as well as Injuries Happen, and the time-tested truth of "if somebody writes it on the internet, the bookers will never do it."

I may try to read the tea leaves given enough data, but I don't generally indulge in the big-picture fantasy booking thing. Otherwise I'd end up with ulcers due to the "even a writer monkey should be able to figure this out" effect.

[Edited on 5-15-2017 by Count Zero]


G-Spot - 5-15-2017 at 01:32 AM

Seems like Randy Orton is trolling people again and coming off like a douche. He retweeted Rip Rogers' take on Indy wrestling in that there are too many flips and dives and people started giving him shit about it. His reply to them...

quote:
"Sorry to the Indy marks, Indy guys and old timers who do DIVES took offense...just having a good time over a few drinks in Denmark closing the Smackdown Live tour...while beating Raw in making over 5 million dollars in the last 11 shows. Now I know to some that doesn't equate to a standing room only crowd of 150 people paying $8 at an armory somewhere...but in the big boy world that's called putting asses in seats. So enjoy your flips, dives, and 20 superkicks per match. To each their own. I will go "dive" back into my 13th title run and get ready to "flip" when my bank statement comes this month...headlock.


https://twitter.com/RandyOrton/status/863901935107223552


bopol - 5-15-2017 at 03:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by G-Spot
Seems like Randy Orton is trolling people again and coming off like a douche. He retweeted Rip Rogers' take on Indy wrestling in that there are too many flips and dives and people started giving him shit about it. His reply to them...

quote:
"Sorry to the Indy marks, Indy guys and old timers who do DIVES took offense...just having a good time over a few drinks in Denmark closing the Smackdown Live tour...while beating Raw in making over 5 million dollars in the last 11 shows. Now I know to some that doesn't equate to a standing room only crowd of 150 people paying $8 at an armory somewhere...but in the big boy world that's called putting asses in seats. So enjoy your flips, dives, and 20 superkicks per match. To each their own. I will go "dive" back into my 13th title run and get ready to "flip" when my bank statement comes this month...headlock.


https://twitter.com/RandyOrton/status/863901935107223552


Says the guy who the only time he ever entertained me was when he was letting Lesnar bust his skull open hardway.


First 9 - 5-15-2017 at 04:34 AM

Wait, SD is kicking RAW's ass in live tours?

Anyway, lol at Orton randomly deciding to shit on indy marks.


OORick - 5-15-2017 at 04:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by G-Spot
Seems like Randy Orton is trolling people again and coming off like a douche. He retweeted Rip Rogers' take on Indy wrestling in that there are too many flips and dives and people started giving him shit about it. His reply to them...

quote:
I will go "dive" back into my 13th title run and get ready to "flip" when my bank statement comes this month...headlock.



Orton's even mediocre at trolling.

His lack of self-awareness results in his bizarre ramble being only about 15% as funny as it might have been, if only he'd acknowledged that his go-to snooze inducer is universally know to be the CHINlock.

Just noticed the tidbit about Southpaw getting more episodes. I loved everything about the first micro-series, and have thought a lot about how to get more mileage out of the idea, without wearing out its welcome. They key is to not just give away a single second of in-ring action, and keep "shows" to 8-10 minute bursts that advance maybe 2 stories at a time, with a few random cameos (like "La Barba Grande" or "Pelvis Wesley")... even with Cena and Jericho (Lance Catamaran and Clint Bobski) as part timers, you could tape all that shit in one massive chunk twice per year.

If it continues to be as awesome as it started out, I would finally relent, and allow for a once annual in-ring display of Southpaw, called Lethal Leapyear (a 1- or 2-hour long special, pre-taped in front of a studio audience of 250 VERY lucky fans). It would be broadcast on the WWE Network on February 28 of every year going forward. Regardless of if it's an actual leap year or not.

I fully expect Big Bart (w/Christian Joy) vs. The Banker Mr. McElroy (w/ Irvin R. Shyster (Irwin's dad), portrayed by Bo Dallas) to steal the first version of the show.


Rick


PB-13 - 5-15-2017 at 06:57 AM

'Tis cool. I am but a sports entertainment viewer with Internet access who sleeps in the basement and fornicates with ALARMING infrequency!


Paddlefoot - 5-15-2017 at 04:27 PM

* ex-WWE diva Ariane Andrews aka Cameron got in a bit of "race traitor" heat from certain quarters after she told TMZ that she only dates white men

* ex-TNA Knockouts Marti Belle and Jade are rumoured to be on the invited list for the upcoming WWE/NXT women's tournament

* Simon Gotch commented that the Broken Hardy's Final Deletion series was a huge hit backstage with all the WWE talent; apparently Matt had given an advanced copy to Jericho when he was on Y2J`s podcast (which he did in full Broken character) and Jericho went out of his way to show it to everyone he could at WWE; Gotch also said that when Cena asked him about it he replied “Try and imagine the worst thing you’ve ever seen WWE do. Then imagine if somehow it was good.”


GodEatGod - 5-15-2017 at 05:28 PM

The Orton thing doesn't bother me because...well, what do you expect him to think? I was certainly under no illusion that Randy was a big fan of high-flying indie wrestling. Given the criticism and flak he's gotten from the kind of people who are usually fans of precisely that type of wrestling, add in the fact that he's a third generation guy from an old school background, and yeah, those are pretty much the opinions I would expect.

It reminds me of when people were outraged that Roman Reigns admitted he didn't like being booed and thought it was unjustified. Like - duh.

[Edited on 5-15-2017 by GodEatGod]


denverpunk - 5-15-2017 at 06:08 PM

What's funny is Miz seems to have taken some of that attitude for his promos against Daniel Bryan and used it pretty effectively. That's the problem with Orton, as his verbal skills are so average that he can't use that attitude in his work. The guy's not very good and doesn't seem to know it. Is he successful? Sure, but that's not the same thing.


gobbledygooker - 5-15-2017 at 07:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Plans for the WWE Championship are AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura. Vince McMahon has been Styles and Nakamura's biggest fan and is considerably high on both given their positive attitude, being extremely well liked backstage, the crowd reactions and both being the top merchandise sellers.


In my biggest "duh!" comment possibly ever, I'm completely on-board with this! I just see it as this could be the "OMG TEH WORKRATE!!" match on the card and then they could do the requisite hoss-fest with Lesnar vs. Strowman/Reigns/et. al.

No clue where that would leave Orton but really, who cares?


Gobshite - 5-15-2017 at 07:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Wait, SD is kicking RAW's ass in live tours?

Anyway, lol at Orton randomly deciding to shit on indy marks.


That's misleading really, as the WWE European tour is just initially sold as "WWE live", and it wasn't made clear which roster was working which shows until tickets had been on sale for a while. Smackdown therefore only outdrew raw on this tour as they played more dates, which was likely decided upon long after tickets were pretty much sold out.


anglefan85 - 5-15-2017 at 07:45 PM

www.wwe.com/shows/raw/article/braun-strowman-undergoes-surgery?sf78971426=1

quote:
During the procedure, it was revealed, among his other injuries, that Strowman's elbow had been shattered, and he is expected to miss up to six months of action as a result.


Well....shit.


Paddlefoot - 5-15-2017 at 07:47 PM

mep, beat me to it

[Edited on 5/15/2017 by Paddlefoot]


gobbledygooker - 5-15-2017 at 08:01 PM

"And #30 in the Royal Rumble is? By GAWD King, It's Braun Strowman!!! We haven't seen him for about six months!!"


royberto - 5-15-2017 at 09:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Wait, SD is kicking RAW's ass in live tours?

Anyway, lol at Orton randomly deciding to shit on indy marks.
Agree. And people getting their panties in a twist over it on twitter. Speaking of which

Unfortunately, you're protected in the wwe. Come out to the real world and test your tantrum with adults https://t.co/AkwK3XNI80

— LOW-KI ロウ・キー セカイノ戦士 (@OneWorldWarrior) May 15, 2017



Much irony in Low Ki calling someone out on attitude issues.



[Edited on 5-15-2017 by royberto]


First 9 - 5-15-2017 at 11:04 PM

On SD not really beating RAW...

Wel,, that's dissapointing. I'd like to see the difference in quality lead up to a concrete win for SD in some way. Then again, ever since the Shake Up, SD has been a meh.

EDIT: The Pro-Indy guys are really coming off as sensitive brats. The WWE Style gets shit on all the time and it's no big deal. Also, come on guys. Orton wrestled a match to a silent arena WM two months ago and it ain't the first time. There's your ammo right there.



[Edited on 5-15-2017 by First 9]


Chris Is Good517 - 5-16-2017 at 12:26 PM

I'm not exactly trying to play devil's advocate here, but...

Orton doesn't strike me as the world's most self-aware guy, so it's entirely possible that he's 100% clueless that he's been handed literally everything in his career on a silver platter. But he also has to know that the vast majority of guys he's worked with over the years were indy dudes at one point or another, right? What I'm saying is it's very possible that he's just trying to get a rise out of internet wrestling fans. Present company included, we aren't exactly the most difficult fandom to ruffle the feathers of. Just last week one of those dudes from that Kings of Leon band got annihilated by Wrestling Twitter for making a dumb comment about how adults shouldn't watch wrestling. We've all been guilty from time to time of swatting at flies with missiles. Orton is on social media and knows this. I don't know that he's so incredibly dense that he thinks indy wrestling is just a bunch of flips in front of 35 people (although he might! I don't know). I think Orton is just a guy who enjoys the occasional troll through social media.


Paddlefoot - 5-16-2017 at 01:56 PM

Agreed. Orton's had certain moments when he's known exactly when to ramp up the douchebaggery for public consumption. This is all probably being done on purpose because he saw he got a rise out of some of the indy guys and their fans with the initial comment and decided to have some more fun with them. No different really than when Lawler used to shit all over ECW with the "drunks, drug addicts, and bowling alleys" kind of remarks. That smarks and fans of the flippy shit, who've generally not hidden their disrespect for Orton over the years, are taking the bait is probably fairly amusing to him. Things like the comment about how much he gets paid are probably something a lot of the other WWE guys who aren't favourites of the purists either also most likely agree with too.

What makes it inadvertently more funny is that Orton's initial comment was so poorly written that it made it seem he was criticizing Rip Rogers as much as he was the flippy guys. C'mon Lisa, it's Ralph, err, Randy.


CCharger - 5-16-2017 at 02:28 PM

My feeling has always been that you should always "punch up, not down". Meaning if you are a guy like Orton who is at the very top of the wrestling industry, why should you shit on indy guys making $50 a weekend and eating Ramen noodles in their car? Especially a guy like Orton who probably wouldn't be where he is if his dad wasn't Bob Orton.

The only time you "punch down" is if you are "in character and playing a heel. If Orton's doing that, and trying to get heel heat, then fine!

But if Orton is just being himself and shitting on hard-working indy guys, then he can go fuck himself with Batista's dick.


Frank Lloyd Wright - 5-16-2017 at 02:57 PM

Low-Ki.....pot meet kettle! What a moron! Orton is trolling big time!

[Edited on 5-16-2017 by Frank Lloyd Wright]


salmonjunkie - 5-16-2017 at 04:23 PM

Low Ki's problem is that he thinks pro wrestling is real.


CamstunPWG187 - 5-16-2017 at 05:32 PM

I love Low Ki as a wrestler, and I love that he respects kayfabe, but sometimes he needs to just not talk about other people being pussies or whatever, as he is quite a known shithead when it comes to dealing with promoters because he doesn't like losing matches.

Heck, Super Dragon admitted in his Q&A from 2012 that he loves Low Ki's work, but working with him behind the scenes is a completely different story (in 2011, a long-anticipated rematch between Hero and Ki was to take place at Eight, their anniversary show. The week of the show, he was taken off the card, and he was never advertised on another PWG show again).

Here's the quote and the interview:

"Very difficult. He's set in his ways and doesn't like to lose. Which makes it incredibly difficult to book him. One of my biggest wrestling accomplishments was having him lose to Claudio! It's unfortunate, because I think he is a very talented wrestler, and we could have done some great things together."

http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3934&start=200

Read if you want a good shoot Q&A, and hell, I even get almost all of my questions answered by him!


PB-13 - 5-16-2017 at 07:13 PM

Nowadays, it feels like everyone's trying to troll everyone. I'm getting scared to express opinions because it'll just result in the typical "TROLOLOL U GOT WERKED U DUM MARK".


CCharger - 5-16-2017 at 09:09 PM

Part of the problem is that Orton's not entirely wrong. He starts off with some legit criticism of indy wrestling being too reliant on high spots and not enough on ring psychology and pacing. The problem is the he then starts bragging about how much money he makes and mocking indy guys for working in front of 150 people at an American Legion Hall.


PB-13 - 5-17-2017 at 06:17 AM

I have this weird mindset of trying to appreciate each product of wrestling for what it is. Dumb, right?


CCharger - 5-17-2017 at 12:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
I have this weird mindset of trying to appreciate each product of wrestling for what it is. Dumb, right?



Do you appreciate Impact Wrestling for what it is?


lz4005 - 5-17-2017 at 02:24 PM

Al Snow was arrested in Winchester KY last night on an outstanding warrant for.....unpaid traffic tickets.

He cooperated, paid a small fine and was released.

Al is boring.



[Edited on 5-17-2017 by lz4005]


CamstunPWG187 - 5-17-2017 at 02:54 PM

Foley should have a field day with that in his next book.

"You thought watching an Al snow match was lame, wait until you read his rapsheet"


PB-13 - 5-17-2017 at 05:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
I have this weird mindset of trying to appreciate each product of wrestling for what it is. Dumb, right?



Do you appreciate Impact Wrestling for what it is?


Amazingly, yes. Commentary is hot garbage nowadays but the in-ring content is still pretty good.


Count Zero - 5-17-2017 at 09:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Do you appreciate Impact Wrestling for what it is?


Amazingly, yes. Commentary is hot garbage nowadays but the in-ring content is still pretty good.
I can second this, on both fronts. Josh Matthews needs to go straight to hell, and they still have a pretty decent roster of athletes despite not-great booking/storyline decisions.


Matte - 5-17-2017 at 11:35 PM

... pic.twitter.com/JOmZsWLyoY

— Drew Gulak (@DrewGulak) May 17, 2017


Chris Is Good517 - 5-18-2017 at 08:32 PM

Sorry if this got lost in the avalanche of Orton stuff, but the word is that WWE is largely working us on the scope and severity of Braun's injury and he's still penciled in to wrestle Brock at SummerSlam.


Flash - 5-19-2017 at 12:11 AM

Were I the WWE I'd strongly consider still keeping Braun around through his legit/embellished injury and still have him just do bad shit to others backstage, with the occasional in ring attack... really sell the idea that if this guy can still kick all kinds of ass one armed, then how destructive can/will he be once he's 100%.

Like no matches, but you could gimmick some stuff like the ambulance... have him push a wall over onto someone, and just generally do dickish stuff to people.


CCharger - 5-19-2017 at 12:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Were I the WWE I'd strongly consider still keeping Braun around through his legit/embellished injury and still have him just do bad shit to others backstage, with the occasional in ring attack... really sell the idea that if this guy can still kick all kinds of ass one armed, then how destructive can/will he be once he's 100%.

Like no matches, but you could gimmick some stuff like the ambulance... have him push a wall over onto someone, and just generally do dickish stuff to people.

Like shitting in their luggage?


Count Zero - 5-19-2017 at 04:15 AM

Wouldn't RKO get upset about somebody stealing his move?


SpiNNeR72 - 5-19-2017 at 12:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte

... pic.twitter.com/JOmZsWLyoY

— Drew Gulak (@DrewGulak) May 17, 2017




This is absolutely fantastic. If Gulak weaves this into his angle it could be gold.


CCharger - 5-19-2017 at 01:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Wouldn't RKO get upset about somebody stealing his move?

That's the joke.

[Edited on 5-19-2017 by CCharger]


Flash - 5-19-2017 at 08:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Like shitting in their luggage?


Well, then they might think they have an escaped bear running around backstage.... but yeah; I'd laugh my ass off if they made Strowman the Ogre of the WWE just doing bizarre frat boy things backstage.... oh, how we miss the non-PG days....


Count Zero - 5-19-2017 at 09:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Wouldn't RKO get upset about somebody stealing his move?

That's the joke.

[Edited on 5-19-2017 by CCharger]
... Nevermind.


CM Crunk - 5-19-2017 at 09:22 PM

If Io Shirai (reportedly) can't use her top rope elbow because of Bayley using a top rope elbow, no Samsonite soiling for Braun I guess.


janerd75 - 5-20-2017 at 12:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Like shitting in their luggage?


Well, then they might think they have an escaped bear running around backstage.... but yeah; I'd laugh my ass off if they made Strowman the Ogre of the WWE just doing bizarre frat boy things backstage.... oh, how we miss the non-PG days....




Flawless execution from yours truly yet agayn. Fuckin' nailed it!


First 9 - 5-20-2017 at 08:15 AM

Kurt Angle's physical is being held off till early next year. Looks like WWE is saving Kurt Angle's return for WM itself. Hope it isn't wasted on HHH.

Thinking of possible opponents for Kurt, something ocurred to me. RAW has 4 Main Event level faces in Ambrose, Balor, Rollins, and technically Reigns. No way that's sustainable for six more months. Any thoughts on who'd be a good pick for who WWE will turn before the end of the year? My money is on Balor.


DKBroiler - 5-20-2017 at 12:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Kurt Angle's physical is being held off till early next year. Looks like WWE is saving Kurt Angle's return for WM itself. Hope it isn't wasted on HHH.

Thinking of possible opponents for Kurt, something ocurred to me. RAW has 4 Main Event level faces in Ambrose, Balor, Rollins, and technically Reigns. No way that's sustainable for six more months. Any thoughts on who'd be a good pick for who WWE will turn before the end of the year? My money is on Balor.


On one hand, Balor looks totally in place as a main event guy. On the other hand it's brain breaking that they have essentially 1.25 shows dedicated to only cruiserweights and a guy who is billed as The King of the Cruiserweights not getting Universal Championship matches. I kinda think they will squeeze as much out Balor in the main event as possible over the summer and then turn 205 Live into the Fin Balor/Neville hour of awesomeness in the fall culminating in a legit big time Cruiserweight Championship match at Wrestlemania.

If they go with Cena v Reigns then I could see Angle winning the Rumble and facing Brock at Wrestlemania. It's still early AF though.

[Edited on 5-20-2017 by DKBroiler]


Matte - 5-20-2017 at 04:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
If Io Shirai (reportedly) can't use her top rope elbow because of Bayley using a top rope elbow, no Samsonite soiling for Braun I guess.

Kairi Hojo is actually the one with the elbow that this rumor pertains to.


Slade - 5-21-2017 at 12:59 PM

I don't buy Finn Balor as a main event wrestler. I like watching him wrestle, but his character is bland and he can't talk. I'm surprised he's made it as far as he has. Unless he starts wearing the body paint every single day, Vince is going to wake up one of these days and realize that a guy who cannot handle a microphone and who isn't a hoss is in the main event, and he's going to feel compelled to correct that.


denverpunk - 5-21-2017 at 02:55 PM

I'm on the fence with Balor. On one hand, he is a really good wrestler. On the other hand, he also reminds me of a shorter Alex Wright, right down to the leather jacket. I agree his mic work is not very good, but at least he's got the crowd.


Slade - 5-21-2017 at 04:18 PM

But how much of the crowd does he really have? That's a hard question to answer. It feels increasingly like televised events are heavily populated by smarky 20 and 30-something men who show up en masse to cheer for work rate darlings and shit all over anyone they think Vince loves. When they are reacting to a wrestler, it is not also easy to determine if others are also reacting to them. They seem to try their damnedest to make a lot of noice so that their voices are heard, and sometimes they try to do this so that their voices drown out the other voices in the audience (eg: hating on Roman Reigns). They are not an accurate representation of who has captured the imagination of the WWE fan base as a whole, which is why I am finding harder to judge whether a wrestler is over based on the reactions of the crowd.


GodEatGod - 5-21-2017 at 04:31 PM

I think Finn Balor's awesome. You guys are nuts.


Count Zero - 5-21-2017 at 07:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
I don't buy Finn Balor as a main event wrestler. I like watching him wrestle, but his character is bland and he can't talk. I'm surprised he's made it as far as he has. Unless he starts wearing the body paint every single day, Vince is going to wake up one of these days and realize that a guy who cannot handle a microphone and who isn't a hoss is in the main event, and he's going to feel compelled to correct that.
I've discovered I don't even like watching him wrestle that much. One of these days, he's going to actually hurt himself or somebody else with that doublestomp (accidentally, naturally, but still) from the top rope. It's not a very great finisher, and it doesn't help when nobody on the announce team can say its name properly. Booker managed to come up with "Coup D'Etat" recently, and Maggle always says 'Coo Day Grah!". The best anglicization I can think of would be "Coup De Grahss", but it's not a phrase that is used frequently enough in everyday English conversation for the WWEUniverse to realize that it's French (at least not the way Maggle mangles it), and that it means "Mercy Stroke" (aka, the killing blow). I suspect that people who haven't followed him through the NXT figure that "Coo Day Grah" is something in Gaelic, like Sheamus' 10 Beats of the Bowwhatever, which they don't even use that much anymore because Maggle sucks at anything that isn't English. Plus, why is an "Irish with a Gaelic name" wrestler who is a part-time Daemon Kayng using French-named finishing moves?

His character is pretty convoluted, really, and still bland despite (because of?) that complexity.


janerd75 - 5-21-2017 at 07:55 PM

Apologies to GEG, but I find this version of Prince Devitt a bit bland, but that's probably due to WWE homogenization and mismanagement more than anything. My main issue is that he's the only cruiserweight battling in the land of giants while his brethren over at 205 Live and occasionally RAM and SD live mostly segregated lives from the rest of the roster. In Ye Olden days there was a notion of "Everyone in the pile!" but now it's a bit incongruous all of the cruisers of the same size and essential moveset as him in one place and just Finn over with guys like Braun, Rollins, Joe, Roman, etc.

For my moneybucks, I daresay Neville eclipses him in ability and most certainly in promo intensity, but he's a straight-up nasty heel so that's the only way Finn's got him 'beat'. Just weird timing all around with Finn's injury and the rise of 205 Live in the interim make his placement on the main roster a bit odd to me. I think it would have been a better program if Balor came up with the cruisers and conquered them all before moving on to RAM it would have made more sense, but again, The Timing.

Dunno, Rey did pretty good against big men back in the day so mayhap they can catch that lightening again with him. After catching up on some NJPW Bullet Club stuff I'm bummed that I got all hyped for some type of reunion with the rest of the crew but that never materialized outside of a few interviews and backstage skits.

Also, to make it official, rumour has it Finn's gonna break his fucking ankles doing that Crap de Grass finisher one day.


the goon - 5-21-2017 at 08:14 PM

Put me in the "on the fence" camp regarding Balor. I mean, I like Balor a lot, but just feel like there's something missing with him that I can't quite put my finger on. He gets a good pop during his entrance (and I love his entrance theme), but once he gets on the mic I just kind of go into "meh" mode.

I do kinda think they missed an opportunity to turn him heel on Seth Rollins when he returned after WrestleMania (and form a stable with Triple H/Owens/Joe), but that's neither here nor there at this point.


Jumbie - 5-22-2017 at 04:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash

have him push a wall over onto someone,


Um, that's the (one of the?) Islamic punishment for being gay, so we should stay away from that specific one.


First 9 - 5-22-2017 at 04:25 AM

He's pretty much a Jeff Hardy/Rey Mysterio-type performer where he shows personality through flashiness. Hardy had his whole Alt Rock get up and mannernisms to go along with his dardevil stunts, Mysterio had his cool entrance and ever-changing masks to go along with his Lucha moes and Balor ocassionally has his Demon King get up to go along with his high flying strikes. The issue is that in Balor's case that's ocasional flashiness. Besides the body paint, Balor had light up jackets, cosplay outfits and overall more to work with in NJPW.

I think NXT had a strong character with the likeable dork who could tap into the dark side. His character was an over achiever who remained humble. On the main roster, he's just another guy who wants the Belt and sometimes paints himself.


Slade - 5-22-2017 at 10:51 AM

Finn Balor was just as bland in NXT as he is on RAW.


CCharger - 5-22-2017 at 12:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I think Finn Balor's awesome. You guys are nuts.

QFT

ETA:
* The plan all along going into Backlash was for Orton to retain and begin a title feud with Rusev. Vince changed those plans two hours before show time for reasons known only to Vince.

[Edited on 5-22-2017 by CCharger]


salmonjunkie - 5-22-2017 at 04:36 PM

"Goddammit, pal! Look at those BICEPS! And those ABS! And those VEINS! And that TAN! And he's INDIAN! Why the hell shouldn't he be the world champ?"


royberto - 5-22-2017 at 05:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
ETA:
* The plan all along going into Backlash was for Orton to retain and begin a title feud with Rusev. Vince changed those plans two hours before show time for reasons known only to Vince.
Translation: Dirtsheets don't want to admit they were wrong or got played, so they used their go to "plans changed" response.


PB-13 - 5-22-2017 at 06:08 PM

Name a dirtsheet.


Flash - 5-22-2017 at 08:14 PM

Being only a sporadic WWE watcher at this point (I'm not tuned out, but with not having cable and the network now providing the weekly shows but on a month delay it's not worth my time to DL the weekly shows anymore as now I can binge watch them in higher quality).... Balor is missing something.

In saying that; and I realize that there's a couple years worth of NXT out there with the guy; he's only been in the WWE for a combined what... 4 months? NXT is a bit more intimate and plays to a different audience, so while some guys can develop some WWE style promo skills- It's not necessarily as much of a key component down there as you can talk and the fans will listen- on Raw and SD you have shout or have catch phrases... so long story short Balor still has time to develop that skill as he's very over in every other way.

I think part of the overall problem in the WWE is that right now you either have feuds that fans really want to see, but need a lot of work and time before we get there in order to do it proper justice, or feuds that feel placeholder-ish. The talent is as deep as ever, but between the infusion of talent they've had lately and the brand stuff there's a bit of a washed out feel to the PPV's right now... like it's more about marking time or throwing content out there, then the culmination of something... even some feuds that feel like they should be on fire barely sizzle (Joe versus Rollins for example). I think that Balor is a bit emblematic of this current era; massively talented, over, seems to be missing something... most of his matches are going to be good or better, but the sizzle just isn't there.

Maybe the whole thing is a hang over of the current PPV model... with the network being the primary viewing method now I wish they'd have gone a bit different with the shows... especially in the delivery department... like maybe SD doesn't have PPV's in the traditional sense, but instead resurrect the Saturday Night Main Event concept for that... yeah it's still like a PPV, but it's a slight change where you could also put in more story stuff instead of 3 hours of ill developed matches.


G. Jonah Jameson - 5-22-2017 at 08:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
ETA:
* The plan all along going into Backlash was for Orton to retain and begin a title feud with Rusev. Vince changed those plans two hours before show time for reasons known only to Vince.
Translation: Dirtsheets don't want to admit they were wrong or got played, so they used their go to "plans changed" response.


Not that I still read anything that could be considered a "dirtsheet" per se, but wasn't the conventional wisdom going into Backlash that WWE was going to put the title on Jinder Mahal and make a play for the Indian market? If anything, the rumormongers got it right, while chumps like me -- who could see WWE hotshotting a world title to a guy like Mahal, just not from anyone in the Orton/Cena/Reigns Push Zone -- were made fools of.


Chris Is Good517 - 5-22-2017 at 08:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Thinking of possible opponents for Kurt, something ocurred to me. RAW has 4 Main Event level faces in Ambrose, Balor, Rollins, and technically Reigns. No way that's sustainable for six more months. Any thoughts on who'd be a good pick for who WWE will turn before the end of the year? My money is on Balor.


We know Reigns isn't turning heel because Vince, so out of the remaining three Ambrose is by far the most stale and in need of a change of direction. So yeah, probably Balor. Who is great, but I can see how his booking since his return has left people feeling less than captivated by him.

Also the word is that since the planned Rusev-Orton match is off, Rusev is now the heavy favorite to win the briefcase at Money in the Bank. There have also been some rumors that Rusev is getting a program with Shane at SummerSlam, which sounds pretty uninspiring on the in-ring side but is probably a high vote of confidence in Rusev, since Shane isn't having matches with just anybody these days.


DKBroiler - 5-23-2017 at 09:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
Name a dirtsheet.


My laundry.


GodEatGod - 5-24-2017 at 12:45 AM

I feel like we've entered a weird state on the board when Finn Balor is being kind of dismissed while people are going out of their way to praise and celebrate Jinder Mahal, WWE champion. Just feels a little like I went through a wormhole or something.


Flash - 5-24-2017 at 01:14 AM

Ssshhhhh... just drink the Koolaid and all will be Roman....

ETA:

I do think it's a bit weird that- and probably just a sign of a lack of foresight on the part of the WWE- Jinder is holding the same title lineage as Hulk, Sammartino, and all the other guys the company was built upon... it kind of strikes me as they'd want to protect that one for your "true" champions, and let the title Brock is holding serve as the more experimental and temporary title as if they ever collapse the titles back into one another that's the one that's going.

[Edited on 5-24-2017 by Flash]


denverpunk - 5-24-2017 at 01:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I feel like we've entered a weird state on the board when Finn Balor is being kind of dismissed while people are going out of their way to praise and celebrate Jinder Mahal, WWE champion. Just feels a little like I went through a wormhole or something.


It's kind of apples and oranges to me. I think people are happy for Mahal, but I'm not as sure if people like Mahal. He seems like a Khali-type placeholder, but it was a surprise that got the belt off of Orton. But this is a guy who hasn't even sniffed a midcard title or won more than a few random matches in years with the company, so it is weird. If they strike gold and get a JBL star out of him, then great, but at least Bradshaw had some tag titles and gravitas already.

Balor is obviously miles betterr than Mahal. But where Mahal is probably an anomaly, Balor is clearly someone WWE has big plans for as long as he can stay healthy. The problem with Balor is,,one, he can't talk, and two, he was hotshotted to the title on his first night on the main roster. No interactions with the Bullet Club, no build up, no feuds, boom, he's the champ. The best thing they could have done was build him up like Styles (which is WWE's best work in years, imo), but now he's kind of in a Roman Reigns spot where people are questioning him for Vince's shitty booking.


DKBroiler - 5-24-2017 at 11:15 AM

The problem with Balor is he is 190 pounds and he's trying to pick a fight with a 300 pound UFC Champion. At some point the suspension of disbelief gets ruined. Beating 225 Rollins, ok no biggie. 265 Roman ... a bit ridiculous but sometimes you can out quick someone. Even a 300 pound guy with limited talent/push like Rowan ... I can see it.

Beating arguably the baddest man in wrestling history who also happens to be 100 pounds more than you? Ok ... you've lost me. Brock should maul him like a grizzly bear right into the main event of 205 Live.


CamstunPWG187 - 5-24-2017 at 11:58 AM

Some of you are straight up becoming haters.

Seriously.


CCharger - 5-24-2017 at 12:06 PM

Oh for fuck sakes, now we're complaining about the size difference between Balor and Lesnar? What about all of us who were clamoring for Daniel Bryan vs. Brock Lesnar? Was that not believable? There are COUNTLESS examples of smaller guys going up against the indestructible monsters and WINNING - to the point that it's become a wrestling trope.

Balor is an amazing talent who deserves the push he is getting, and I am convinced that his match with Lesnar will be the tits.

FWIW, I am also a Jinder Mahal fan. I don't think he's the talent Balor is, but I like that the WWE is choosing to do something risky and different and I think he's up to the task.


Caesar guy - 5-24-2017 at 12:21 PM

Wonder how Drew McIntyre is feeling knowing that 2 out of 3 of the three man band have held world titles in the last 6 months but he was in TNA being a temporary Impact Grand Champion.


Flash - 5-24-2017 at 02:13 PM

I've never minded the size difference between some guys in matches that should at times strain believability, as I think it comes down to the story you want to tell both building up to the match, and during the match itself.

Where I think the WWE fails in the size difference/believability issue is generally in the follow up stories.... IE tell Balor versus Brock... Brock should beat the shit out of Balor the fist time they meet, and probably the next... Balor should then learn... hey, I gotta be quicker, can't let Brock get his hands on me... then maybe he wins, or doesn't but still does well enough that he proved his point that he could hang with the beast.... What you don't do is follow up this epic showdown match where size was the story with a bunch of Raw filler matches where Balor routinely beats Brock like it's nothing (insert other big guy in lieu of Brock).

I think this is what eventually turned me off of Rey (aside from the fact that his matches eventually became a paint by numbers thing every time he stepped in the ring)... He shouldn't be beating the Big Show; so when he did it should eventually be a big thing... it should also have been kept as a big thing... like wrestle the match with the idea that Show can't get his hands on Rey, but if he did the match would have been over because when a 500lb guy built like Show punches you most guys aren't getting up.

Balor shouldn't be near Brock yet... or if he is he should get soundly trashed and then the story should be about him rebuilding himself and dominating.... but that Brock loss eats at him... have him work towards facing him again in 6 months, or a year.


royberto - 5-24-2017 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by G. Jonah Jameson
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
ETA:
* The plan all along going into Backlash was for Orton to retain and begin a title feud with Rusev. Vince changed those plans two hours before show time for reasons known only to Vince.
Translation: Dirtsheets don't want to admit they were wrong or got played, so they used their go to "plans changed" response.


Not that I still read anything that could be considered a "dirtsheet" per se, but wasn't the conventional wisdom going into Backlash that WWE was going to put the title on Jinder Mahal and make a play for the Indian market? If anything, the rumormongers got it right, while chumps like me -- who could see WWE hotshotting a world title to a guy like Mahal, just not from anyone in the Orton/Cena/Reigns Push Zone -- were made fools of.
No. The sheets had just gotten done telling the world Randy Orton was going to be the champion through SummerSlam and beyond. There was never any report of Jinder winning. So, no, the sheets didn't get it right.


royberto - 5-24-2017 at 05:32 PM

The H's has announced that the womens tournament on WWE Network is to be named in honor of Mae Young:

A tournament with top female talent from around the world is the next stage of the Womens Evolution in @WWE...July 13/14th from @FullSail. pic.twitter.com/qidXuWBGXA

— Triple H (@TripleH) May 23, 2017


CCharger - 5-24-2017 at 05:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
The H's has announced that the womens tournament on WWE Network is to be named in honor of Mae Young:

A tournament with top female talent from around the world is the next stage of the Womens Evolution in @WWE...July 13/14th from @FullSail. pic.twitter.com/qidXuWBGXA

— Triple H (@TripleH) May 23, 2017



There's literally a thread entirely, created YESTERDAY, dedicated to this "breaking news", but thanks for the effort.

[Edited on 5-24-2017 by CCharger]


royberto - 5-24-2017 at 05:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
There's literally a thread entirely, created YESTERDAY, dedicated to this "breaking news", but thanks for the effort.
[Edited on 5-24-2017 by CCharger]
New threads are almost never created so I never get down that far.


salmonjunkie - 5-24-2017 at 06:23 PM

It's the 7th thread on the page, and the first unpinned thread. There are usually 2-3 new threads that get started a week (which I know isn't that often, but it's not almost never), it's just that the first 6 threads are all the pinned ones.


CCharger - 5-24-2017 at 06:30 PM

Roy knows how the the threads work. He posted in an unpinned thread on Monday:

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
It appears they've moved past that mentality. Hopefully the new outlook endures and the Diva era full of Hawaiian Tropic models never returns.
Alexsa Bliss says "Nope. We have the same mentality".


williamssl - 5-24-2017 at 06:33 PM

Scrolling can be selectively difficult.


royberto - 5-24-2017 at 06:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
It's the 7th thread on the page, and the first unpinned thread. There are usually 2-3 new threads that get started a week (which I know isn't that often, but it's not almost never), it's just that the first 6 threads are all the pinned ones.
I almost never go past the pinned threads because that is all I need to read. All the relevant news is there. No real reason for me to go past those.


GodEatGod - 5-24-2017 at 07:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
It's the 7th thread on the page, and the first unpinned thread. There are usually 2-3 new threads that get started a week (which I know isn't that often, but it's not almost never), it's just that the first 6 threads are all the pinned ones.
I almost never go past the pinned threads because that is all I need to read. All the relevant news is there. No real reason for me to go past those.


The rest of us would appreciate it if you'd start skipping the pinned ones, too.


janerd75 - 5-24-2017 at 07:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
It's the 7th thread on the page, and the first unpinned thread. There are usually 2-3 new threads that get started a week (which I know isn't that often, but it's not almost never), it's just that the first 6 threads are all the pinned ones.
I almost never go past the pinned threads because that is all I need to read. All the relevant news is there. No real reason for me to go past those.


But that's where all the RAW meat is. Also, some SD meat can be seen there as well.



Also2, semi-guilty as charged on Finn "hate". I'm more bummed at his presentation than anything. I know he necessarily can't come out as the Demon every outing, but mayhap integrate that more into his persona like the Hulk or a reverse Shazam! whereby his normal talents get him by most guys but he has to DEMON UP! when he comes across a guy like Brock or Braun.

Of course it's doable in the world of Pro Wrasslin' otherwise I'd just go watch UFC for interactions betwixt fighters in strictly maintained weight classes. It's just odd they don't mix and mingle weight classes like they used to except only Sin Cara and Finn play with the big boys and the rest of the cruisers of the same size, weight, and general ability/moveset are doing great over on 205 Live in isolation. Yes, Daniel Bryan vs. Brock Lesnar was definitely desired as A Thing, but the insane grassroots appeal and build-up for that sadly never-to-be-realized occasion came about after years of D-Bry YES!ing himself into our hearts. Finn's got...it...but I don't think he's got...it...just yet as he is currently being presented.

Again, to me and I could be wrong because I'm functionally retarded, but I think Finn going over to play with them would really put that division over given how talented he is. I could watch a guy like him and Neville and Kendrick mix it up for weeks on end without getting tired of it. Conquer them and THEN come for the big dogs. However, the story (which is what the wrasslin' all about) of Finn thusfar in the WWE (yes, I know what he accomplished in NJPW) doesn't yet match the gravitas they're trying to force on him right now. They've already sprayed L'Overpush Stank on Roman and look where it got him.

TL;DR I think it's less the Talented Mr. Finn and more the set-up and story bungling WWE than anything. However, I would like to see the WWE attempt this storyline with him and Bork. He can pop his eyes back in and beat him later down the road.


Count Zero - 5-24-2017 at 07:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Trolling can be selectively difficult.
Fixed to be a better reflection of Bert's posting habits.

And to throw in on the Finn/Daniel Bryan thing... Daniel Bryan was partially presented as a "submission specialist" and a master of counterholds and reversals. Finn's 'style' isn't even presented as as "strong style", or (in the case of the Undertaker for a long time) a great "pure striker". He does some cruiserstuff, some kicks'n'punches, some 'WWE style' moves.

If you compare that to Bork Smash style, there's no logical reason it would have any more impact on Bork than when Heath Slater does it. Bork can outwrestle him, because college/mma experience. Bork can punch the Jeebus out of him, because Bork Smash. Suprex Shitty demonstrates that he can "WWE-style" the piss out of JOHNNNN CEENAA-Bella~!. On what "wrestling logic" grounds can Finn Balor (not the Daemon Kayng) prove superior to Bork Lazor?

So if The Daemon Kayng shows up to the Bork Match and wins, I'm fine with that. If it's The Leather-Jacket Kid who shows up? Eeehh... I don't usually demand "realism" in my wrestling, by the way, but I can see why some people get hung up on it.

[Edited on 5-24-2017 by Count Zero]


CCharger - 5-24-2017 at 08:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
It's the 7th thread on the page, and the first unpinned thread. There are usually 2-3 new threads that get started a week (which I know isn't that often, but it's not almost never), it's just that the first 6 threads are all the pinned ones.
I almost never go past the pinned threads because that is all I need to read. All the relevant news is there. No real reason for me to go past those.


The rest of us would appreciate it if you'd start skipping the pinned ones, too.


POTY candidate.

Also, some of you guys are picking nits re: Finn Balor. Yes, he is smaller and is less skilled in real fighting as Brock. So is 90% of the roster. By that logic, Bryan had no business beating HHH, Orton, and Batista in the same night. Eddie had no business beating JBL. Austin had no business beating the Undertaker. Jericho could never have beaten The Rock. No one could EVER beat the Big Show.

Small guys who would get the dog shit kicked out of them in a real fight against bigger guys beat those bigger guys in wrestling matches ALL THE TIME.


GodEatGod - 5-24-2017 at 08:10 PM

To be fair, I wouldn't have Finn Balor fight Brock Lesnar because I find Brock Lesnar incredibly boring and wouldn't have him be my champion in the first place. His legit cred is nice but it doesn't keep me from falling asleep on german suplex #2343247.


Paddlefoot - 5-24-2017 at 08:17 PM

WWE's choice though. They can have Lesnar/Reigns and mostly booing going on or they can have Lesnar/Balor and hear nothing but cheering. That's what these David-vs-Goliath moments are for. One of the best moments on Nitro was when they had Rey go over on Nash. Place went nuts and everyone went home happy.


Slick - 5-24-2017 at 08:19 PM

From a strictly physical standpoint, Neville of all people is more imposing than Finn Balor.

Maybe Neville should get himself a leather jacket and pop the collar?

Not taking away from anything that Balor does in the ring, because he's obviously a gifted performer with an impressive track record. Just that the way he has been presented in WWE so far would make the casual observer wonder "what makes this guy so special?"


CCharger - 5-24-2017 at 08:25 PM

So my takeaway from the anti-Balor posts is that the leather jacket makes him look like a douche ergo we don't like him.


gobbledygooker - 5-24-2017 at 08:31 PM

Just to jump in on the "Is Balor a douche or not?" debate, I think I actually prefer the more "normal" version of him. I always thought the whole "demon" thing was almost relying too much on the gimmick (although I was fine with him only doing it for PPV's/special occasions). Not to mention the fact that all of his bodily contortions during that entrance probably had him winded by the time the match began.


GodEatGod - 5-24-2017 at 08:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slick
From a strictly physical standpoint, Neville of all people is more imposing than Finn Balor.

Maybe Neville should get himself a leather jacket and pop the collar?

Not taking away from anything that Balor does in the ring, because he's obviously a gifted performer with an impressive track record. Just that the way he has been presented in WWE so far would make the casual observer wonder "what makes this guy so special?"


Finn Balor's also super-handsome while Neville looks like a shaved Uruk Hai.


gobbledygooker - 5-24-2017 at 08:42 PM

Originally posted by GodEatGod

quote:

Finn Balor's also super-handsome while Neville looks like a shaved Uruk Hai.


I was gonna say, Finn Balor and Roman Reigns (natch) are currently my better half's top picks on the hotness scale. So there's that.


Slick - 5-24-2017 at 08:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by Slick
From a strictly physical standpoint, Neville of all people is more imposing than Finn Balor.

Maybe Neville should get himself a leather jacket and pop the collar?

Not taking away from anything that Balor does in the ring, because he's obviously a gifted performer with an impressive track record. Just that the way he has been presented in WWE so far would make the casual observer wonder "what makes this guy so special?"


Finn Balor's also super-handsome while Neville looks like a shaved Uruk Hai.


Haha very true! I didn't think of that. Neville has the scowl on his face of someone who has been constipated for a week, while the ladies do respond to Balor. Hopefully they just present him a little better to build him properly.


denverpunk - 5-24-2017 at 11:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
So my takeaway from the anti-Balor posts is that the leather jacket makes him look like a douche ergo we don't like him.


I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case, read the posts again? There's some solid arguments in there aside from the leather jacket red herrings (which I admittedly started, but you know).


janerd75 - 5-25-2017 at 01:48 AM



Tonight's entertainment and so on and so forth. Y'welcum.

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by Slick
From a strictly physical standpoint, Neville of all people is more imposing than Finn Balor.

Maybe Neville should get himself a leather jacket and pop the collar?

Not taking away from anything that Balor does in the ring, because he's obviously a gifted performer with an impressive track record. Just that the way he has been presented in WWE so far would make the casual observer wonder "what makes this guy so special?"


Finn Balor's also super-handsome while Neville looks like a shaved Uruk Hai.






quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
So my takeaway from the anti-Balor posts is that the leather jacket makes him look like a douche ergo we don't like him.







G. Jonah Jameson - 5-25-2017 at 01:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Finn Balor's also super-handsome while Neville looks like a shaved Uruk Hai.


I give that turn of a phrase an 11 out of 10.


Count Zero - 5-25-2017 at 02:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
So my takeaway from the anti-Balor posts is that the leather jacket makes him look like a douche ergo we don't like him.


I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case, read the posts again? There's some solid arguments in there aside from the leather jacket red herrings (which I admittedly started, but you know).
Yeah, CC is being obtuse for comic effect. I hope. Otherwise, we might have figured out who's alt-account Berto is.


Big G - 5-25-2017 at 09:37 AM

As mentioned above, the story in pro-wrasslin' David Goliath feuds is critical, and as the UFC liked to say: "Styles make fights". But when David doesn't have a great stylistic point of difference coupled with Goliath being billed as top of the food chain in those disciplines, it takes away some wiggle room with how they can tell the story. Wiggle room further reduced because generally David is the babyface and can't really rely on any Grecko-Roman thumbs to the eye or Woolloomooloo uppercuts to level the playing field.

A lot of people will point to Kurt Angle v Kane at Wrestlemania X8 as a story tell. Hit him fast, hit him hard and hit him early. Then stay on him and don't let him regain his equilibrium. But I doubt Brock will let himself be booked like Kane was that night.

The NBA Finals Series style would work for me - where the story is who adjusts and minimises the other's strengths faster. Finn's Popovich to Brock's Harden. I could totally buy into a pro wrasslin' story about Finn being smarter than Brock.

I would also buy into a story that plays up Finn being "driven" versus Brock getting by on talent, not heart. Tell the story that the longer the match goes, the more it advantages Finn; both aerobically and mentally. Lots of questions about "deep water". "The longer this match goes, the better Valentine gets."

If JR was still around he'd be talking about catch as catch can.


And I'm glad the canindian is champion. Because Randall is the wrestling equivalent of light drizzle.


DKBroiler - 5-25-2017 at 12:47 PM

To be clear ... I am a big fan of Balor.

That said, Brock isn't Big Show, Undertaker or any of the other big guys that were mentioned. Brock is a former UFC Champion. I cannot unknow that in real life Brock would tear Balor's arms off and beat him to death with them. The other guys I mentioned, while WWE tough, do not have the legitimacy of Brock. And Angle is not a fair comparison because he is the only person in pro wrestling with the same level of legitimacy as Brock.

If they did the whole squash - train - close loss - train - close win arc with Balor I can get behind it long term. But first time out, it should be a bludgeoning for Lesnar. Also, as stated already if Balor was a master of submissions (like Bryan) I could see it, but he's not. He's a really good striker and there is literally not a person on Earth who would be wise to exchange strikes with Brock.


Flash - 5-25-2017 at 02:26 PM

I'd like to see the WWE mixing in the 205 guys with the regular roster a bit more... maybe not the main eventers outside of the odd "special" Raw match that's been built up a bit, but mix them in against (and give them the odd wins against) the tag guys, the lower mid card guys... it will continue to showcase the differences between the 205 guys and the rest of the roster, and if you do have a guy you want to push up the card it won't be such a I'm done with, or now better than 205 type thing.

I don't think weight, size, or realism are necessary to good wrestling; but I do think you need to acknowledge it, and use it in your story telling as great wrestling should always be about the telling the story, drawing us into the match... if it's too visually jarring, or something too incredibly stupid happens it doesn't just pull you out of that moment, it can affect the whole show to an extent. Also if you commit to something, keep running with it beyond whatever moment you want to get to.... or make it part of the story whatever change in direction you are going with. I don't like the whole "monster" goes undefeated for several months, but once beat he's routinely jobbed out on Raw for the next while... Like it wasn't losing to Cena that hurt Rusev, it was the next couple of matches after that that did it...

Like as an alternative don't do an undefeated streak, have the monsters lose from time to time, but post-match they could still be good to go and just beat the shit out of their opponent who it took everything out of to beat them... No sell the end of the match... yeah the monster can have a bad moment, get caught off guard, stunned, whatever.... but he's tough to really put down (this could make a Last Man Standing match a big deal).

Or maybe when the monster loses after a long win streak he's doubting himself... the loss put him off his game and now he's in a downward spiral... use it as a chance to reinvent themselves a bit... Sure you aren't going to have thought bubbles overhead, or a confession booth where the guy acknowledges his new self doubt, but the announcers can tell that story some, or do it through booking... like a really fluke roll up almost right out of the gate see's him lose, maybe the guy is late coming down to matches (like just slightly out of step... again the commentary team could highlight this some)... maybe the frustration gets to him and he just clocks the ref post-match, or says screw it and grabs a chair and gets DQ intentionally right of the gate for a couple of matches.... make the loss a big story.... then the guy can go out and hire DDP and Simon Dean to get him back on track!


CCharger - 5-25-2017 at 02:57 PM

Yes, I was joking, but it does seem like some of the criticism of Balor is a bit petty and superficial. Nevertheless everyone has their own opinions. The difference is that my opinion is right.


punkerhardcore - 5-25-2017 at 04:26 PM

Brock has become wrestling's equivalent to Bart coming out and saying, "I didn't do it!" It was fun the first time, but now it's just boring and played out as fuck. I truly cannot understand why anybody would even get amped up for his matches anymore. The guy does two moves. I would love for Balor to beat him, and then come out the next night and cut a promo about how it wasn't exactly difficult to devise a strategy against Lesnar, since he studied the tape and knew all he had to do was avoid the German Suplex and F5.

Plus, if we can all be convinced that some over the hill motherfucker who hadn't had a match in a dozen years could beat Lesnar in 90 seconds... what's so hard to believe about Balor beating him?


Flash - 5-25-2017 at 05:01 PM

Hey...! Punker... you there, stop that.... Don't you go bringing logic to wrestling, ya' hear.


For what it's worth, if Balor did that, it wouldn't just be the greatest promo ever, it'd be amongst the greatest moments in wrestling ever.

And yeah... count me in as well on Brock being over rated... the two moves of doom are tiresome at this point, and Brock's extremely limited schedule is more of a hindrance to storytelling than it is a boon to the product. I'd rather see them bring him in twice a year but have him be a full on participant in weekly shows (not saying having him wrestle every week, but throw the odd match out there so that he's more than just a guy standing behind Heyman) while he's there, and then he can go away for however many months he wants.


janerd75 - 5-25-2017 at 05:04 PM

New Finn vs. Brock thread to give the Rumours thread some breathing rOOm!

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=32013&page=1#pid534922

Also, Rumours!

- BLAAARGH ROARMAN is expected back around the middle of July.

- WWE would use the #BROKEN Matt Hardy gimmick, but they don't want to set a precedent of buying creative material from outside entities and have told TNA they have no interest in doing so with them.

ETA: Bonus footage of CM Punk, yes that CM Punk, losing his shit on some doofus named Johnny Bananas on some MTV reality show. Just...just fucking settle the lawsuit and come back to us, bro. MTV? Jesus wept...




[Edited on 5-25-2017 by janerd75]


gobbledygooker - 5-25-2017 at 06:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
- WWE would use the #BROKEN Matt Hardy gimmick, but they don't want to set a precedent of buying creative material from outside entities and have told TNA they have no interest in doing so with them.


Well that sucks. I appreciate Matt doing what he can with the "Delete" gesturing and #Broken Matt posing but without them really getting to dive into it, I think the "Delete" and "Brother Nero" chants are just going to die a slow death. They'll just be the same Hardy Boyz they were in 2000.

I was REALLY hopeful when they got that huge beatdown upon the Sheamus/Cesaro heel turn we were going to be headed into Broken territory and when that didn't happen, I figured it was a bad sign.


SpiNNeR72 - 5-25-2017 at 08:33 PM

Man I dunno, have you ever actually *watched* and of that broken shit? I sat through the Final Deletion. Christ. Made the house of horrors match look like Macho/Savage.


gobbledygooker - 5-25-2017 at 08:53 PM

I watched and enjoyed the ever-loving hell out of Final Deletion and all other things Broken Matt. Did you just not get the humor..?


williamssl - 5-25-2017 at 09:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
Christ. Made the house of horrors match look like Macho/Savage.


Was there a Macho Man vs. Randy Savage fight I somehow missed?


janerd75 - 5-25-2017 at 09:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
Christ. Made the house of horrors match look like Macho/Savage.


Was there a Macho Man vs. Randy Savage fight I somehow missed?


It has been said that the greatest battle a man can ever fight is the one within himself.

Also, I am so holding out hope that this upcoming cage match betwixt the Hardy's and Sheasaro is their opportunity to put the beatdown on the Boyz and have them re-emerge #BROKEN. The WWE does well with wacky gimmicks like the Fashion Police and certainly the Wyatt's so I trust them to get it righ


SpiNNeR72 - 5-25-2017 at 11:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
I watched and enjoyed the ever-loving hell out of Final Deletion and all other things Broken Matt. Did you just not get the humor..?


If some kind of divenrse humor is the point, then Orton/Wyatt's house of horrors blew the broken stuff out of the water even more!

I get that its an IWC thing and thats fine, but jesus. It was hard to sit through. At least the house of horrors thing had actual real humor and talent involved, with a proper ending.


GodEatGod - 5-26-2017 at 12:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72


I get that its an IWC thing and thats fine, but jesus. It was hard to sit through. At least the house of horrors thing had actual real humor and talent involved, with a proper ending.



Jumbie - 5-26-2017 at 12:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl

Was there a Macho Man vs. Randy Savage fight I somehow missed?


Yeah, it was awesome.

Fight took place in some kind of junk yard place. Macho stumbles in looking all drunk because he's been eating some bad slim jims that turned him evil and during his entrance he was shouting 'What are you looking at?!" at the crowd and ignoring this ten year old fan named Ricky who palled around with Macho Man before his heel turn. Anyway, Macho Man does a really exaggerated 'Oh Yeah', falling too his knees and everythng.

Randy Savage makes his entrance next in a burst of sparkles, looking like he walks OUT of Macho Man.

The match is basically a reverse squash with Macho Man taunting Randy and slapping him around. Randy hits one offensive move where he pushes Macho Man out of the ring, but Macho Man gets back in and spits in Randy's face to throw him off balance, then picks up a kendo stick (No DQ since it's falls count anywhere) and chases him up a ring post then Macho Man throws Randy OFF the top of the ring post. It looks like Macho Man has it all wrapped up when he buries Randy Savage in a pile of steel chairs and other metal junk but then as Macho Man is gloating, Randy breaks up out of the pile and throws a bunch of tires around Macho Man, but then Macho Man drops a giant car magnet on him and tosses him in a smelter.

Macho Man even takes Randy's glasses and crushes them to symbolize his victory, but then Savage bursts out of the smelter and plain chokes out Macho Man in like 15 seconds.

After that, Randy Savage pulls his shirt open to show that he' s wearing a Macho Man costume underneath and that he was the real Macho Man all along.

Then he flies off and fixes an oil tanker and saves the world from not-Lex Luthor.

Like I said, awesome, but you don't have to take my word for it. The match is on youtube. Here's part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_XjgF43U4U


DKBroiler - 5-26-2017 at 12:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl

Was there a Macho Man vs. Randy Savage fight I somehow missed?


Yeah, it was awesome.

Fight took place in some kind of junk yard place. Macho stumbles in looking all drunk because he's been eating some bad slim jims that turned him evil and during his entrance he was shouting 'What are you looking at?!" at the crowd and ignoring this ten year old fan named Ricky who palled around with Macho Man before his heel turn. Anyway, Macho Man does a really exaggerated 'Oh Yeah', falling too his knees and everythng.

Randy Savage makes his entrance next in a burst of sparkles, looking like he walks OUT of Macho Man.

The match is basically a reverse squash with Macho Man taunting Randy and slapping him around. Randy hits one offensive move where he pushes Macho Man out of the ring, but Macho Man gets back in and spits in Randy's face to throw him off balance, then picks up a kendo stick (No DQ since it's falls count anywhere) and chases him up a ring post then Macho Man throws Randy OFF the top of the ring post. It looks like Macho Man has it all wrapped up when he buries Randy Savage in a pile of steel chairs and other metal junk but then as Macho Man is gloating, Randy breaks up out of the pile and throws a bunch of tires around Macho Man, but then Macho Man drops a giant car magnet on him and tosses him in a smelter.

Macho Man even takes Randy's glasses and crushes them to symbolize his victory, but then Savage bursts out of the smelter and plain chokes out Macho Man in like 15 seconds.

After that, Randy Savage pulls his shirt open to show that he' s wearing a Macho Man costume underneath and that he was the real Macho Man all along.

Then he flies off and fixes an oil tanker and saves the world from not-Lex Luthor.

Like I said, awesome, but you don't have to take my word for it. The match is on youtube. Here's part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_XjgF43U4U



Count Zero - 5-26-2017 at 01:48 AM

Didn't the BBSWC think Macho/Savage II was better than the original? Friggin 80s smarks and their appreciation for baud-rate over work-rate...


DKBroiler - 5-26-2017 at 02:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Didn't the BBSWC think Macho/Savage II was better than the original? Friggin 80s smarks and their appreciation for baud-rate over work-rate...


I preferred Hogan vs Hulk way more.


CamstunPWG187 - 5-26-2017 at 03:19 AM

As a reference point to page 8 about 'Birdo....why do people here not yet ignore him? He's a huge troll and he loves getting a rise out of you guys. Seriously, if you actually just ignore EVERYTHING he says (and trust me, that slightly normal post he might make every once in a while is just a hook, line, and sinker), you won't get suckered in.

Just look left, and if it says "lame ass troll", just move on. He derails threads.


Count Zero - 5-26-2017 at 04:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
As a reference point to page 8 about 'Birdo....why do people here not yet ignore him? He's a huge troll and he loves getting a rise out of you guys. Seriously, if you actually just ignore EVERYTHING he says (and trust me, that slightly normal post he might make every once in a while is just a hook, line, and sinker), you won't get suckered in.

Just look left, and if it says "lame ass troll", just move on. He derails threads.


Paddlefoot - 5-26-2017 at 04:26 AM

No! We need him! There's so few places where I can use my Serious Becky Lynch template to harass someone!


royberto - 5-26-2017 at 12:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
As a reference point to page 8 about 'Birdo....why do people here not yet ignore him? He's a huge troll and he loves getting a rise out of you guys. Seriously, if you actually just ignore EVERYTHING he says (and trust me, that slightly normal post he might make every once in a while is just a hook, line, and sinker), you won't get suckered in.

Just look left, and if it says "lame ass troll", just move on. He derails threads.
This is rich. I simply posted a HHH tweet about the womens tournament. I got ridiculed and attacked over posting that tweet, told to go away. I didn't even respond to any of it or than to explain why I didn't see the other thread that already had the information. There are several attacking me unprovoked and others are laying down blatant troll bait. Now, you are calling me the troll?

You obviously have no idea what the word actually means. Why? Just answer one question, How is posting a HHH tweet trolling? I can't wait for the BS yarn you are going to try to spin.



[Edited on 5-26-2017 by royberto]


CamstunPWG187 - 5-26-2017 at 06:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
I watched and enjoyed the ever-loving hell out of Final Deletion and all other things Broken Matt. Did you just not get the humor..?


If some kind of divenrse humor is the point, then Orton/Wyatt's house of horrors blew the broken stuff out of the water even more!

I get that its an IWC thing and thats fine, but jesus. It was hard to sit through. At least the house of horrors thing had actual real humor and talent involved, with a proper ending.


Excuse me, but you ARE the IWC. You're a part of it. Sometimes I feel like people say "I know the IWC likes...." as if it separates them from the label. You're a part of the IWC. We all are. We all frequent an Internet forum for hardcore wrestling fans.

What "real humor" did Orton/Wyatt even have? What was the proper ending? A regular 1-on-1 match in a wrestling ring? Why did the house of horrors even need to happen then?


Paddlefoot - 5-26-2017 at 06:53 PM

* TMZ is reporting that the charges against Sean Waltman for his arrest at LAX last month have been dropped; the cannabis in his possession was within the legal amount allowed in California and the pills the cops suspected to be meth really were for treating a yeast infection that X-Pac said he had


Slick - 5-26-2017 at 06:59 PM

Any truth that X-Pac rattled off a series of crotch chops as he left the police station?


Count Zero - 5-26-2017 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
[verbal vomit]



GodEatGod - 5-26-2017 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slick
Any truth that X-Pac rattled off a series of crotch chops as he left the police station?


If he did, it would apparently put off the scent of fresh biscuits!


punkerhardcore - 5-26-2017 at 07:26 PM

I'd probably be less embarrassed about meth.

Nice that Chyna has a left a legacy that's living on, though.


SpiNNeR72 - 5-26-2017 at 07:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
I watched and enjoyed the ever-loving hell out of Final Deletion and all other things Broken Matt. Did you just not get the humor..?


If some kind of divenrse humor is the point, then Orton/Wyatt's house of horrors blew the broken stuff out of the water even more!

I get that its an IWC thing and thats fine, but jesus. It was hard to sit through. At least the house of horrors thing had actual real humor and talent involved, with a proper ending.


Excuse me, but you ARE the IWC. You're a part of it. Sometimes I feel like people say "I know the IWC likes...." as if it separates them from the label. You're a part of the IWC. We all are. We all frequent an Internet forum for hardcore wrestling fans.

What "real humor" did Orton/Wyatt even have? What was the proper ending? A regular 1-on-1 match in a wrestling ring? Why did the house of horrors even need to happen then?


CBA with a longwinded post but briefly - Humour - Fridge. Proper ending - 1 on 1 match in the ring.

If there was humour involved in Final Deletion I am even more dumbfounded, but then I also know some people found "Friends" funny so fuck knows..


GodEatGod - 5-26-2017 at 07:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72

If there was humour involved in Final Deletion I am even more dumbfounded, but then I also know some people found "Friends" funny so fuck knows..


Yes, many people found one of the longest running, most watched sitcoms of all time funny. You think that's weird, but you thought the fridge bit in House of Horrors was humor.


Slade - 5-26-2017 at 08:20 PM

I thought the fridge bit in the House of Horrors match was funny, but that is largely because I don't think it was meant to be funny - which is also why I thought the supposedly spooky glowing lights on the house after Bray Wyatt left was funny.


First 9 - 5-27-2017 at 01:06 AM

Objectively, Final Deletion was better executed. They're both wacky kayfabe killing matches but at least FD had context.

It was a match that TNA personnel had nothing to do with and was taped, edited, and executed by Matt Hardy and whoever he payed to go along with his crazy shit. Both Hardyz are pretty out there dudes so Jeff will contribute to the wackyness. So the match lasting all night, Jeff turning into Willow Matt having an inspirational flashback DURING the match was all fun. Why? Because itwas all silly but it all fits withing the rules of that universe. You can suspend your disbeliefbut don't have to turn off your brain.

House of Horrors was a standard WWE match and thus has no excuse for how Orton developing teletransportation, walking off a fridged landing on him and all that other shit.


Paddlefoot - 5-27-2017 at 05:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I'd probably be less embarrassed about meth.

Nice that Chyna has a left a legacy that's living on, though.


This means that One Night In Chyna has lasted thirteen-plus years now for Waltman.


DKBroiler - 5-27-2017 at 11:42 AM

My mother dropped a fridge on me once ... ONCE.


royberto - 5-27-2017 at 06:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
trolling garbage.
Truth hurts doesn't it? It's right there in the posts. I only posted HHH's tweet. You idiots jumped on me, accused me of trolling and then threw out trolling .gifs like immature children. Go back and re-read it. You guys attacked me. Own it.


janerd75 - 5-27-2017 at 06:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
My mother dropped a fridge on me once ... ONCE.




#roylivesmatter


Count Zero - 5-28-2017 at 04:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
trolling garbage.
Truth hurts doesn't it? It's right there in the posts. I only posted HHH's tweet. You idiots jumped on me, accused me of trolling and then threw out trolling .gifs like immature children. Go back and re-read it. You guys attacked me. Own it.


You failed to actually read the fucking boards, and now are trying to pass it off like we're trying to persecute you for your sins. You fucked up. You fucked up. You fucked up. You fucked up.

Y'know, you botched a move. You fucked up. Get over it, Trumpberto. You won't receive any further replies on this matter from me. Don't waste your time or mine any further.


Paddlefoot - 5-28-2017 at 04:53 AM


royberto - 5-28-2017 at 08:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero



I did admit I was wrong. I told you why I missed it. You and your buddies have been complete assholes to me the entire time about it and have accused me of trolling.

You are being an asshole, plain and simple.


williamssl - 5-28-2017 at 06:12 PM

Count Zero? More like Count Asshole, MIRTIE?


Count Zero - 5-28-2017 at 06:45 PM

Zero is a hole.


Paddlefoot - 5-28-2017 at 06:59 PM

I'm confused as fuck now, Mirtie.


williamssl - 5-28-2017 at 07:26 PM

Confused, or profused MIRITE?


Paddlefoot - 5-28-2017 at 07:38 PM

I need a beer now. Go get me a beer, Roy. And get your fucking shine box too.


janerd75 - 5-29-2017 at 01:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I need a beer now. Go get me a beer, Roy. And get your fucking shine box too.




ETA: Also, discuss...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/blakeoestriecher/2017/05/28/5-ways-wwe-can-win-back-its-fans/#3e2374b99fd5

According to PWInsider.com's Dave Scherer (h/t WhatCulture), viewership for WWE's flagship show Monday Night Raw has plummeted by a whopping 20% over the course of the last year:

This past week's episode of Raw drew 2,615,000 viewers, which makes it the lowest-watched episode of the year. It's been a month since the overnight number on Raw (which doesn't include DVR viewership) broke three million, and this week's number represents a 20% drop from the same week last year, when Raw drew 3,268,000 viewers.

While some of that drop can be attributed to cord-cutters, it does speak to a bigger problem: WWE's inability to maintain its viewing audience.

And WWE should be asking itself a few serious questions, like why this is happening and what the company can do to stop it. Although there certainly isn't one right answer or one major fix that can make WWE's problems go away, there are certainly things WWE can do to ensure its viewership issue doesn't get worse, or better yet, actually improves.

[Edited on 5-29-2017 by janerd75]


the goon - 5-29-2017 at 04:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
While some of that drop can be attributed to cord-cutters, it does speak to a bigger problem: WWE's inability to maintain its viewing audience.


I do wonder though about how much impact cord-cutters have on the ratings, as I am one of them. I still watch RAW and Smackdown on a weekly basis, but cut the cord back in March of 2016 and haven't looked back. And for those of you who haven't done so and/or are considering it, I highly recommend it, as I was paying $125 a month for my DirecTV service and now pay $29.99 a month for PlayStation Vue and bought an HD antenna off of Amazon on sale for $17.99 for network TV viewing (so I've saved over $1,000 total in the past year simply by finding alternative TV viewing methods than the big cable/satellite providers).

As for RAW's decline in ratings, I dunno. The product isn't that bad and to me is way better than it was 10 to 15 years ago, at least from a talent and in-ring perspective. So while today's WWE may have it's problems, it's nowhere near dying days of WCW bad (though I would think that having the Universal title basically being absent from TV for the last three months probably doesn't help).


First 9 - 5-29-2017 at 05:31 AM

The roster is stacked but very few come off as stars. Rollins is a passive bitch who had to get screwed a number of times to take the fight to HHH and Co., Joe is a give no fucks badass who only cares about status and making money...and he couldn't get himself a spot at Wrestlemania so he sucks at what he says he cares about. Bray Wyatt is a loser. Roman Reigns is a mess of traits as they try to figure out what to do with him. He threatned to end Taker's career then cuts an interview saying he's sorry that happened. Finn Balor is there.

I'm sure the ratings have more to do with fan burn out(so much weekly tv) but they need to overhaul their presentation and storytelling.


janerd75 - 5-29-2017 at 05:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
While some of that drop can be attributed to cord-cutters, it does speak to a bigger problem: WWE's inability to maintain its viewing audience.


I do wonder though about how much impact cord-cutters have on the ratings, as I am one of them. I still watch RAW and Smackdown on a weekly basis, but cut the cord back in March of 2016 and haven't looked back. And for those of you who haven't done so and/or are considering it, I highly recommend it, as I was paying $125 a month for my DirecTV service and now pay $29.99 a month for PlayStation Vue and bought an HD antenna off of Amazon on sale for $17.99 for network TV viewing (so I've saved over $1,000 total in the past year simply by finding alternative TV viewing methods than the big cable/satellite providers).

As for RAW's decline in ratings, I dunno. The product isn't that bad and to me is way better than it was 10 to 15 years ago, at least from a talent and in-ring perspective. So while today's WWE may have it's problems, it's nowhere near dying days of WCW bad (though I would think that having the Universal title basically being absent from TV for the last three months probably doesn't help).


I'd be curious to know what the OOverse's viewing habits are in regards to Wrasslin' Viewership in the here and now. Of course it's necessarily a massive paradigm shift from the heady days of the VCR-aided 90's Attitude Era, but overall I'm wondering how fans of this foolishness partake in the On Demand Era over years previous where the fumes of tape trading and/or literally being in front of your or a friend's tv was utterly necessary to keep up with relevant storylines and developments.

As far as any so-called ratings decline, or probably more appropriately labeled ratings shuffling, well, that would take a finer mind than mine own to analyze. In the Olden Days of Men and Guzzoline we used to call that mind The Rick, but I digress. Outside of the general complaints of storyline inconsistencies and dumb-dumb shit like the House of Hoors, overall I think the product is fine and they're as talent top-heavy as they've ever been since they've basically acquired and/or are in the process of acquiring the top wrasslin' talent in all of god's creation. IMO, I don't think the WWE's using that talent to the best of their abilities given their proven in-ring abilities physically and on the mic, but then again I've never attempted to run a very public company with thousands of moving parts, many of which involve people physically exhausting themselves to oblivion or using powerful drugs to get by or jizzing on title belts whilst fame and fortune on the teevee beckon.

As is the common lament arOOund here the concern has always been that pro wrasslin' is its own thing, La Kayfabe Nostra if you wheeyul Daddeh, yet VinceBukky, Inc. have always courted entertainment venues outside of the very thing that makes wrasslin' what it is and watered it down into an All Things To All People endeavor. Which, to be fair, is perfectly okay for the people that own the shit to do, yet kinda frustrating for longterm wrasslegeeks to appreciate or respect.

That being said, I don't think WWE's going anywhere for a while. Certainly not in 2017 and beyond with the reach of video capabilities such as smartphone tech and à La Carte services like the WWE Network. From a storyline perspective, Jinder Mahal is a decent wrassler overall but in no way, shape, or form thusfar has done anything to warrant wearing THAT belt with THAT history. But from a marketing perspective of a public company, on the surface it makes perfect sense especially if they want to open that Silk Road to India. He's the best person for that role at this time. Corporate shrewd and perhaps a bit cynical? Sure, it fits the bottom line as it should as that's what corporations do. For a mentally challenged basement-dwelling hyper-masturbatory fay-get such as moi? Well, there's always The Summer of Punk to look back on. (Six years ago now, bee tee dubs )

Anywho, I might be Memorial Daying a bit too hard tonight but my overall TL;DR is I think it's a bit too confusing a game for me, a profoundly retarded consumer of wrasslin' stuff n' thaaangs, to worry about the tech-accelerated perpetual creative destruction grind of how pro wrasslin' is presented overall or how The Suits interpret the gear-grinding paradigm shifting away from cable/satellite contracts to the ubiquity and freedom of On Demand viewing and how it affects the product at overall.

Also, if they're looking to corner the market on rough trade aficionados in 2017, Finn Bálor's current booking makes total sense.


GodEatGod - 5-29-2017 at 05:55 AM

Honest truth, unless it actually gets to the point where it affects the product being produced at all, I literally don't care at all about ratings or viewership. Even if the TV went, I imagine the Network would still exist (although the product would no doubt have to be scaled back due to the lack of TV revenue). But we still seem pretty far away from that, so...*shrug* I mean, if Jinder as champion proved to be a giant moneymaker that broke them through internationally and made them money hand over fist and dragged in ratings, I would still think he sucks.


Paddlefoot - 5-29-2017 at 06:22 AM

Lot of major league sports activity going on too since Mania also accounts for any ratings drop. March Madness, the start of baseball season, NBA & NHL playoffs, plus a lot of other shows wrapping up their season finales too. Somewhere along the line WWE's most likely accounted for all of this. Their own main mistakes of another Orton title reign as well as putting the other belt back on Lesnar with him doing another disappearing act doesn't help but whatever. They seem to sail through these things without much disruption so it's not something to worry about too much.


janerd75 - 5-29-2017 at 07:00 AM

Roger that, too. It is somewhat traditional for the WWE to tread water arounst the premuim sportsball season openings/finales. Summerslam is on the horizon so business, no doubt, is aboot to pick up. How that factors into the downward or upward ratings trend overall, well in that and most other things in my life, I remain blissfully clueless.

Also, did someone say bliss?!?!?!


the goon - 5-29-2017 at 07:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
The roster is stacked but very few come off as stars.


Yeah, I don't disagree and think that's one of the WWE's biggest issues. There's really no hierarchy in the last year or so, as you have uber-wrestlers like Brock and Goldberg (who never wrestle on free TV) in the top tier, and then a ton of guys like Reigns, Rollins, Balor, Owens, Joe, etc in the second tier, who are in this kind of weird limbo as sort of main-eventers and sort of uppercarders. And it probably doesn't help that Jinder Mahal is currently WWE champion while Kevin Owens and AJ Styles are feuding over the US title.

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I mean, if Jinder as champion proved to be a giant moneymaker that broke them through internationally and made them money hand over fist and dragged in ratings, I would still think he sucks.


Glad I'm not the only one here who hasn't hopped aboard the Jindermania train.

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
Also, did someone say bliss?!?!?!


I've never seen any pre-WWE footage of Alexa Bliss, but, uh...holy shit.


Paddlefoot - 5-29-2017 at 08:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
Also, did someone say bliss?!?!?!





DKBroiler - 5-29-2017 at 04:27 PM

Quoting Janerd's about viewing habits.

Raw: I'll watch it live maybe once every 2 months. It's usually consumed Tuesday to Friday in 30 minute dinner chunks.
SD: I'll only watch it live if there is a super special event like the draft. Usually it's Saturday and Sunday.
PPV: Almost always live but I'm usually asleep () in bed by 10 so I'll catch the last hour Monday night.
205: Barely ever
NXT: Only Takeovers
UK: Really? Maybe on fast forward.
Other: Holy fuck, Main Event can blow itself at that point.
Random Network stuff: I like the interview shows like Bring it to the Table and The (now cancelled) JBL Show but it's sporadic.

That should just about cover all my free hours ... except ... I'm a crazy NFL, NBA and MLB fan and play Elder Scrolls Online at an uber nerd god mode level and have a full job AND occasionally like to get laid.

I got too many entertainment options. The dickface NFL's lack of legal streaming is the only reason I haven't cut the cord entirely myself.

Oh ... as for Alexa ...


royberto - 5-29-2017 at 05:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Honest truth, unless it actually gets to the point where it affects the product being produced at all, I literally don't care at all about ratings or viewership. Even if the TV went, I imagine the Network would still exist (although the product would no doubt have to be scaled back due to the lack of TV revenue). But we still seem pretty far away from that, so...*shrug* I mean, if Jinder as champion proved to be a giant moneymaker that broke them through internationally and made them money hand over fist and dragged in ratings, I would still think he sucks.
Raw and Smackdown are still the 2 highest rated shows on USA and are still two of the highest rated shows in their timeslots, so I don't think USA is anywhere near ready to get WWE off their network.


GodEatGod - 5-29-2017 at 08:16 PM

I'll do the viewing habits thing:

Raw and SD: I watch the Hulu replays. Which means I miss some of the stuff on RAW that gets edited out (I haven't seen any of the Goldust turn, for example, and rarely see the Cruiserweights), but I can look segments up on Youtube if I want.

PPV: Always watch since I got the Network earlier this year.

NXT: I watch most weeks, but miss one now and again.

205: On an occasion, but not very often.

Network stuff: I watch the occasional old PPV or TV episode, plus a few of the originals (Table for Three, Ridealong, that JBL and Corey Graves show that might as well be called Smarkbait)

I also watch a fair bit of UpUpDownDown on Youtube.

[Edited on 5-29-2017 by GodEatGod]


Flash - 5-29-2017 at 10:41 PM

Having parted ways with cable about a decade back I generally did the download thing for Raw, with the occasional SD thrown in, and then I'd go see the PPV's at my local theatre; yeah I could have DL'd the PPV's as well, but I kinda wanted to give something back to the WWE.

Since I've had the network I've largely stopped watching Raw and SD, and watch all the PPV's on the network now, and at least for the bigger shows will watch the weekly recap shows that are 30 minutes to get me caught up better for the PPV... not that you need to as they do a pretty god job with the recap packages on the PPV.

I think part of my moving away from staying on top of wrestling are several:

*I've been binging off and on both the years I missed when I completely walked away from wrestling, and some of the best years of wrestling that I remember pulling me back into wrestling (the attitude era). I've worked my way over the last 2-ish years through at least 97-2005 for both Raw and SD, and that's a crap load of wrestling that leaves me a bit burned out on watching talent that I'll freely admit is the WWE's most talented, but just aren't that interesting.

*I'll watch the current stuff later... it's going on the network eventually, and eventually I'll get caught up to the last few years.

*The WWE is training us that their product can be missed... Maybe they've fixed this in the last year or two, doubt it, but it was a never ending stream of ... moments ago, or last week played over and over... the shows also go through months where you've got Brock just standing there, or stuff happens but is then quickly undone, or ignored... IE no stakes, no surprises, no big shakeups.

*Vince seems more concerned with being right, than pleasing his fans.

*I don't know if wrestling can hold up to extended viewings... Like its fantastic entertainment, but by and large we're talking about the same archetypes over and over, the same feuds (both literally and figuratively) again and again, and throw into the mix participating in the boards where we discuss, dissect, predict, and everything else under the sun about it.... Take any other TV show and you have story arcs and character arcs- shows last 5, 6, 7, seasons and generally each season is different, and each episode is different AND they have off seasons.... love wrestling or not, so much of a good (and occasionally bad) thing that is wrestling, and burn out is bound to ensue.

I've said it before, and it's hardly too late to do it, but the brand split is/was a good opportunity to do hard reset on your product... or at least one of the shows as a starting point/experiment... introduce full on weight classes, rankings where house shows matter, change up how the show is shot, the graphics, the presentation and announcing... don't do a recap show, do a dissection X's and O's show like a sports desk... introduce a nightly talk show where guys can show off their personalities some... introduce new rules for matches, break out of the monthly PPV cycle.... whatever. If your product is the network now not one of those things is going to change your revenue streams and if anything each could help make you new stars, or make other facets of your product more interesting.... ranked matches at house shows, or need to check rankings head over to WWE.com... etc.


First 9 - 5-30-2017 at 03:54 AM

The USA Network is likely content with having them but they're not above forcing them to do silly shit to improve ratings and just make everything worse. I don't know if they were covering their ass but the Guest Host shit was blamed on USA pressuring them to implent it to make the show more like SNL.

I shudder what new idea the network execs have so their wrasslin shows give better returns.


CamstunPWG187 - 5-30-2017 at 04:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash

I've said it before, and it's hardly too late to do it, but the brand split is/was a good opportunity to do hard reset on your product... or at least one of the shows as a starting point/experiment... introduce full on weight classes, rankings where house shows matter, change up how the show is shot, the graphics, the presentation and announcing...


Funny, I mentioned this last year, in regards to the presentation. Even made a topic.

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=31125

Seemed like not so many people agreed with the presentation switch-up being necessary.

Accepting mediocrity has led us to where we are now. WWE won't die any time soon, if ever, but even the smaller changes (like changing the entire presentation of the same television show) can actually make things feel fresher.

But hey, WWE diehard defenders, please continue to tell me how doing this is pointless if they don't change their core product.....Which is basically like saying "if they aren't gonna change the most important part of it, its pointless to change anything!"

At least it wouldn't look like a 2008 show.


CCharger - 5-30-2017 at 01:45 PM

Regarding viewing habits:

I got the Network when it first came out. Cancelled it after a year. Got it again last year for Mania and cancelled it immediately after. Did the same this year. Just didn't hold my interest enough.

I rarely watch RAW live and sometimes not at all. I almost never watch Smackdown Live. I have watched three WWE PPVs in the last year. Frankly, the product doesn't interest me much. I like Balor. I enjoyed the Owens/Jericho stuff. AJ Styles' push has been welcomed. Sometimes New Day is funny. That's about it. The storytelling is pretty terrible. The character development is abysmal. The ring work (for the most part) is color by numbers.

I much prefer most indie stuff and New Japan stuff. I don't want to be the "WWE SUCKS!" wanker guy, but if it's not good, then it's not good and IMO WWE as a whole is just not good.


SaiyaJinDX - 5-30-2017 at 02:46 PM

Regarding viewing habits:

I watch a LOT of wrestling. I still have cable and make a lot of use of my DVR.

I watch Raw (I start after the kids are asleep, so I don't get to watching usually until after 9pm, which is perfect, bc it allows me to FF commercials and replay segments, so I'm still ending the show a little after 11pm).

I pretty much do the same thing for SD (although sometimes I don't get to finish it til Wed bc I also watch a couple of other shows with my wife that we try to get through on Tues/Wed).

I watch NXT but not always weekly. Sometimes I'll falls 3-4 episodes behind and then wind up binging before the next Takeover to catch up.

205 is the show that tends to fall by the wayside. I watch when I can but never live.

I haven't watched Main Event since they took it off WGN (and even then, I had started to fall off).

And I definitely watch the PPVs. As close to live as possible.

As for other stuff on the network, I've watched some stuff in the past (like the Monday Night wars and that behind the scenes show about the NXT guys) but I don't really have time to watch much else (I watch regular TV too- especially a lot of the superhero shows).

I watch LU as well (luckily that has been on break for awhile, especially during the regular TV season, but i'm glad to have it back). NJPW, but I've fallen way behind on that. I have like 15 episodes on my DVR, but I still watch at least one a week.

I also go through Impact but on heavy FF.

Sometimes I'll watch ROH online during lunch at work, but that's a rarity.

But for all that watching, my interest ebbs and flows. Lately, I've been playing a lot of games on my iPad or browsing FB while watching the wrestling in the background. Only looking up when something really piques my interest or a cool move happens and I rewind to catch it. It's becoming more uncommon for me to give my 100% attention to the show without anything else going on. I don't know if that's bc maybe I have adult ADD (lol) or the product just doesn't capture my attention how it once did (outside a few exceptions).


Cherokee Jack - 5-30-2017 at 02:51 PM

quote:
Raw and Smackdown are still the 2 highest rated shows on USA and are still two of the highest rated shows in their timeslots, so I don't think USA is anywhere near ready to get WWE off their network.
Maybe not, but remember when Vince was telling stockholders ahead of their last renewal that he expected to double or even triple their current money? And they got an increase, but only about 40%, or way less than Vince seemed to expect?

I don't think the issue is USA deciding to get rid of WWE, the issue will be if the numbers keep dropping, or at the least don't rebound to where they were, and USA decides that WWE isn't worth what they're paying. They may not want to ditch them altogether, but it's entirely possible that when it comes time for their next negotiation, USA shows them the ratings/viewership trends and expect them to take a cut on their rights fees. Will WWE be open to that?


Flash - 5-30-2017 at 04:45 PM

The thing with the WWE from the POV of USA though; is that whatever they are paying probably pales compared to what they would have to pony up to fill 3 hours a week, for the entire year.... I mean even if you grabbed some second run syndication as filler, or launched your own shows you'd have to first multiply the cost of paying for that by each hour and add onto that whatever production costs you might have developing your own programing; all with no guarantee of a hit.

The WWE may be sagging; but history has shown that they do tend to fluctuate from time to time, but still generally deliver an audience in the millions every week for decades... that's appealing to advertisers.


Paddlefoot - 5-30-2017 at 05:04 PM

The counter is that in a market where every year more people are cord-cutting in favour of The Network or streaming, networks and channels like USA or The Score in Canada can't afford to lose WWE programming. Even with reduced ratings there's still enough of a loyal core of fans viewing on a regular basis to generate advertising revenue for the channels. Lose WWE and what happens to the broadcasters? Fill up the empty air with some kind of reality-TV kind of dreck that attracts what, maybe three to five percent of the numbers that the weekly RAW and SD get? More wacky highlights of the week shows? Law & Order or CSI reruns that another two or three channels are already showing all the time? It's a two-way street with the channels needing WWE programming as much, if not more, as WWE needs them.

[Edited on 5/30/2017 by Paddlefoot]


CCharger - 5-30-2017 at 05:34 PM

* John Cena was interviewed recently and said that while he fully intends to continue an in-ring career, once that is over he hopes to work with the WWE in a creative capacity much like HHH.


salmonjunkie - 5-30-2017 at 10:26 PM

Cord cutter for about 7 years now. Been on WWE Network for 3 years.

Raw: Almost never (very occasionally on iPad on USA's app with my folks' online cable info)

SD: Even less than RAW

205: Hardly ever

NXT: Every Takeover. Almost never watch the main show

PPVs: Every single one.

UK: Haven't yet. Don't have plans on getting around to it.

Other Network stuff: Table for 3, some of the interview shows.

LU: Catching up on Season 2 on Netflix here and there.

TNA: Haven't watched in years

ROH: Never watched on TV.


CCharger - 5-31-2017 at 12:52 PM

*The "This Is Your Life" segment was poorly received backstage as well. Reportedly, the heat is on the writing team and not the performers. Heads could roll as a result, particularly in light of RAW's ratings lawn darting into oblivion.

* Speaking of the writing team....they have had heat with Vince since Wrestlemania since they are literally out of ideas. That is why you are seeing so many multi-person matches - they have no direction or storylines for many of the wrestlers.

* Billy Corgan's purchase of the NWA is in trouble due to copyright and trademark issues.

* John Cena confirmed he will back on the July 4th Smackdown. Rumors are he will be immediately entered into a feud with Jinder Mahal.


First 9 - 5-31-2017 at 01:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Speaking of the writing team....they have had heat with Vince since Wrestlemania since they are literally out of ideas. That is why you are seeing so many multi-person matches - they have no direction or storylines for many of the wrestlers.




This sounds so ridiculous. It's Wrestling! There's 100 upon 100 hours from many promotions and their own old shows to mix and match to crap out a show.

I mean it's probably bullshit as they're just likely trying to recover from RAW losing Braun and throwing the Main Event scene out of whack while SD for a good while has been a story-light show that favors multiperson matches.


CCharger - 5-31-2017 at 02:14 PM

Well, perhaps they are just out of GOOD ideas. I mean since Mania we've seen the House of Horrors and This Is Your Life - two of the worst creative ideas in many years. I can hear the Creative meeting now:

VINCE: Well, in case you pasty-skinned queers weren't aware, our ratings are taking a huge shit. We need something to shake things up. What do you pimply-faced pudwackers have for me this morning?

MICHAEL HAYES: Two words, Vince: A stable of Southern rednecks who...

VINCE: Someone help this guy clear out his desk, please.

WRITER MONKEY: Uh, Mr. McMahon? Perhaps we should integrate a celebrity into the main event storyline somehow.

VINCE: I fucking love it! Linda, do you have Trump's number?

HHH: He's the president now, Vince. I'm pretty sure he's busy.

WRITER MONKEY: I...uh... brainstormed a bit and came up with this idea: celebrity is a surprise entrant to Money In the Bank and miraculously wins it.

VINCE: I fucking love it! It'll get mainstream exposure on ESPN, Entertainment Tonight...

HHH: Social media would be buzzing about it too.

VINCE: Hell yeah, pal! I'll get Trump to tweet about. He gets all kinds of twitters-

HHH: -likes-

VINCE: - likes on there. Well, then what do you have?

WRITER MONKEY: Well...then the following week on RAW, the celebrity actually pins Jinder for the championship.

VINCE: Goddamn, pal! We aren't going to take it off Mahal. That towelhead literally prints money in India!

WRITER MONKEY: So Lesnar then?

VINCE: Hell, yeah! It'll be really big, pal!

HHH: Well, Vince, we need to, uh...find a celebrity. Someone big. Someone current. Someone with a large social media presence...

VINCE: I've got it! Someone get Fred Durst on the blower!

HHH: Fuckin' A.....



[Edited on 5-31-2017 by CCharger]


royberto - 6-1-2017 at 02:17 PM

*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the idea of a Vince McMahon Table for 3 segment is at least being talked about for a few months down the line. It’s all up to Vince on whether or not he wants to do it, but the feeling is that it will draw a big audience on the WWE Network.

I'd be for:

Vince/Heyman/Bischoff
Vince/Bret/Shawn
Vince/Patterson/Brisco

Or for a way out there group in Vince/HHH/CM Punk


DKBroiler - 6-1-2017 at 02:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the idea of a Vince McMahon Table for 3 segment is at least being talked about for a few months down the line. It’s all up to Vince on whether or not he wants to do it, but the feeling is that it will draw a big audience on the WWE Network.

I'd be for:

Vince/Heyman/Bischoff
Vince/Bret/Shawn
Vince/Patterson/Brisco

Or for a way out there group in Vince/HHH/CM Punk


Vince/Stone Cold/JR


Flash - 6-1-2017 at 02:53 PM

Yeah; for as fantastic as it'd be I'd save the Vince/Heyman/Bischoff table for three for maybe something a big bigger and longer; and maybe something with a moderator... I can just see things getting a bit out of hand there with tangents... Still, something I'd definitely love to see.

Vince/Hart/HBK could also be cool... but I'm not sure I'd want to sit through more of Hart's bitching about all the ways he's been done wrong by everyone, and how much he hates watching the current product in his mansion on top of his pile of millions of dollars he's made throughout his career.

I think a Vince/Austin/JR table would work... you'd get enough fun stories in there that it would be a good time, with probably a dash of insider comments about all the ways Austin was a pain in the ass during that era. Vince can then fire JR again afterwards when Austin drinks too much and talks to long.

I think if you are putting Vince out there it kinda needs to be as the star.

One fun alternative could be family McMahon in some combination... like Vince, Linda, and one of the girls he cheated on her with over the years, or Vince and his two kids, or Vince and StepHHH.

[Edited on 6-1-2017 by Flash]


Katie Vick killer - 6-1-2017 at 03:01 PM

Vince/Bischoff/Heyman talking about late 90s. Yes please.

How About, Vince, Hogan and Ted Turner? Really, I just want to see Vince and Ted together.


Paddlefoot - 6-1-2017 at 03:08 PM

I always got the sense that Vince is too sensitive to criticism to do any really honest interviews or other kinds of similar sit-downs. If it's a Network thing then how far can they really go with the questions anyway? It's not like he'd ever get asked why some fuckwit like Bukkuky Dunn has so much power to fuck over someone that HHH spent a lot of time, money, and effort on building up in NXT. Or how some on-air atrocity like House of Horrors or this week's Alexa/Bayley crapfest (which did nothing but damage both performers) is seen as something good to do. Or about a million other incredibly stupid or petty things that have been done over the years under the cover of "what's best for business".

Vince as the boss has the right to keep his mouth shut on certain things all he wants. But if a TF3 segment with him turns into just another bullshit triumphalist "genius who built an entertainment empire" ass-kissing session for him then, really, what's the fucking point?


rranddm - 6-1-2017 at 04:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the idea of a Vince McMahon Table for 3 segment is at least being talked about for a few months down the line. It’s all up to Vince on whether or not he wants to do it, but the feeling is that it will draw a big audience on the WWE Network.

I'd be for:

Vince/Heyman/Bischoff
Vince/Bret/Shawn
Vince/Patterson/Brisco

Or for a way out there group in Vince/HHH/CM Punk


Vince/Stone Cold/JR



Vince/Patterson/Taker
Vince/Jake/Steamboat


nOOb - 6-1-2017 at 10:55 PM

If you're going to put Vince in a room with someone for shock value, go with Bob Costas. The third person will just pull the winner off the loser.


bigfatgoalie - 6-1-2017 at 11:28 PM

If you just want huge views....Vince/Austin/Rock

If you want Vince feeling comfortable? Vince/Shane/Steph

Best TV? Vince/Patterson/Triple H

Vince and Pat would be great, and I really feel Hunter would bring up NXT and new guys. Getting Vince and Patterson's reactions to NXT / new guys would be more interesting than Vince rehashing the Monday Night Wars yet again.


DevilSoprano - 6-2-2017 at 01:11 AM

For 1 special episode, change it to a Table for 4 and do Vince, Hogan, Rock, and Cena.


GodEatGod - 6-2-2017 at 02:55 AM

I somehow want Jesse Ventura in there somehow, although I'm not sure what the right combination would be with him.


janerd75 - 6-2-2017 at 03:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I somehow want Jesse Ventura in there somehow, although I'm not sure what the right combination would be with him.


Vince, Jesse, and J.R., because to complete that trifecta you'd need to have at least one former announcer as a voice of reason in there to make sure it didn't devolve into a self-aggrandizing Illuminati lizardmen circle-jerk.


CCharger - 6-2-2017 at 02:01 PM

* Reportedly, there is talk of Hulk Hogan returning to the WWE. There have been informal talks between Vince and Hogan about Hogan returning and possibly getting involved with Jinder Mahal. I'm not sure having Hogan come out and cutting a promo and beating up a dark-skinned guy is a good idea at this juncture. JMO

* WWE is interested in signing Dalton Castle to the NXT brand. As a big fan of Castle, I hope this doesn't happen.

* Stephanie McMahon will be returning to TV full time within the next couple of weeks.

* WWE is re-considering its plan to have Big Cass be revealed as Enzo's attacker because he is the most obvious suspect and the reveal would be anti-climatic and not shocking.

[Edited on 6-2-2017 by CCharger]


nOOb - 6-2-2017 at 02:15 PM

I haven't watched Raw for a while so my viewing is based on clips but I assumed this whole Enzo thing was Corey Graves acting out on his understandable hatred of Enzo.


williamssl - 6-2-2017 at 02:45 PM

I hate Enzo as much as Graves. My whereabouts for the past few RAMs are unaccounted for.


SaiyaJinDX - 6-2-2017 at 03:05 PM

I fast-forwarded a lot of Raw, so I might be mistaken, but didn't they strongly imply (with the whole video evidence thing) that The Revival were responsible for attacking Enzo? They made a stink of them being secretly in the building, so I assume that's what they were trying to connect them to.


Thom - 6-2-2017 at 03:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

* WWE is re-considering its plan to have Big Cass be revealed as Enzo's attacker because he is the most obvious suspect and the reveal would be anti-climatic and not shocking.




It's Enzo. Is there any ending that would be shocking and/or non-anticlimactic?


punkerhardcore - 6-2-2017 at 04:23 PM

"The reveal would be anti-climatic and not shocking." Since when the fuck did the company start caring about that?


Paddlefoot - 6-3-2017 at 12:50 AM

I'm not going to condemn a new storyline that's only had two appearances so far They could boost it over the top though if, when the officials, paramedics, Angle, and Cass are milling around Enzo briefly looks up, mutters a weak "how you doin'?", his legs do a brief spasm of his dance, and he passes out again like a drunk face-first into a plate of spaghetti and meat sauce. It's not going to be Hunter vs HBK when they reveal Cass as the attacker because Enzo can't wrestle so they might as well keep him in character as much as possible with what they're trying to do.


PB-13 - 6-3-2017 at 08:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Stephanie McMahon will be returning to TV full time within the next couple of weeks.
[Edited on 6-2-2017 by CCharger]


Figured as much. Graves seems like he'll be her stooge and assist with sabotaging Angle.


royberto - 6-3-2017 at 08:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Stephanie McMahon will be returning to TV full time within the next couple of weeks.
[Edited on 6-2-2017 by CCharger]


Figured as much. Graves seems like he'll be her stooge and assist with sabotaging Angle.
But she doesn't need to sabotage Angle. She can simply fire him if she wants him out. That would be totally out of character for her since she is in your face when she has an issue with you.


Paddlefoot - 6-4-2017 at 04:58 AM

* Alexa botches kip-up at house show, turns it into most adorable temper tantrum ever.



* Harley Race is in bad condition after sustaining fractures to both his legs in a bad fall at home; emergency surgery that included four blood transfusions was required to save him

* Dolph Ziggler's sexual prowess was dissed by some annoying YouTube bimbo personality he's laid the sausage to previously, after he "flaked out" on a hook up with her:

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0602/626777/youtube-personality-rips-into-dolph-ziggler-for-flaking-on-a-date/

Not going to embed the video itself because I don't want to give this misbegotten creature any clicks. That being said my estimation of Dolph has gone down quite a bit. Not for being into bimbos, because with the right surgery and commitment to anorexia some of them are quite awesome. More for, if bimbos are his thing, for choosing one who's clearly some kind of monstrous hambeast. Stick with the Pam Anderson variety, Dolph, not the Trigglypuffs.

[Edited on 6/4/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Flash - 6-4-2017 at 03:29 PM

Yeah, reading the article she comes off like she's drunk now; and between the over share, talk of drugs and alcohol she doesn't really sound like that much of a prize. Also her big newsflash that Ziggler is leaving the WWE soon isn't exactly breaking news; as she says he's 37, and based on his last round of talk when doing his deal with the WWE 3 years ago couple with his various stand up and outside WWE gigs, I think everyone knew the clock was ticking.

I'm sure there will be another video from this woman with some ever bigger accusation or stream of consciousness insults as she tries to extend her 15 minutes of fame by another minute.


Gobshite - 6-5-2017 at 11:05 AM

Because I don't know where else would be best to post it, my theory on what Graves knows about Angle:

Graves had heard on the grapevine that whilst Angle has been doing the GM thing because he's not capable of wrestling, that's not the case, and he's been cleared already. It'd ruin Kurt because it goes against his Integrity, and means he's been lying to everyone to pussy out of facing the new crop of superstars.

Graves now has proof of said suspicion, and what he showed him was an email/text from Kurts doctor confirming he's good to go.


Paddlefoot - 6-5-2017 at 02:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Yeah, reading the article she comes off like she's drunk now; and between the over share, talk of drugs and alcohol she doesn't really sound like that much of a prize. Also her big newsflash that Ziggler is leaving the WWE soon isn't exactly breaking news; as she says he's 37, and based on his last round of talk when doing his deal with the WWE 3 years ago couple with his various stand up and outside WWE gigs, I think everyone knew the clock was ticking.

I'm sure there will be another video from this woman with some ever bigger accusation or stream of consciousness insults as she tries to extend her 15 minutes of fame by another minute.


And right on time as requested.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/youtube-personality-goes-after-wwe-fans-over-fallout-from-her-dolph-ziggler-rant/

What sort of portal to the hell of YouTube has been opened up by Dolph Ziggler's inexpicable attraction to landwhales?


CCharger - 6-5-2017 at 02:24 PM

She's gross. That is all.


punkerhardcore - 6-5-2017 at 05:08 PM

Jesus. That bitch's face looks like that Snickers commercial from a few years back.


Count Zero - 6-6-2017 at 06:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
Because I don't know where else would be best to post it, my theory on what Graves knows about Angle:

Graves had heard on the grapevine that whilst Angle has been doing the GM thing because he's not capable of wrestling, that's not the case, and he's been cleared already. It'd ruin Kurt because it goes against his Integrity, and means he's been lying to everyone to pussy out of facing the new crop of superstars.

Graves now has proof of said suspicion, and what he showed him was an email/text from Kurts doctor confirming he's good to go.


I like this idea a lot. And I'm not even against using Corey Graves in a storyline, if it pays out in some kind of fun thing like this.


CCharger - 6-7-2017 at 01:27 PM

* The Hardys could see a reduced schedule in the next month or so due to Matt's wife giving birth to Jeff's baby


janerd75 - 6-7-2017 at 02:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* The Hardys could see a reduced schedule in the next month or so due to Matt's wife giving birth to Señor Benjamin's baby


FTFY. Forget it Charger, it's Camerontown.


salmonjunkie - 6-7-2017 at 08:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* The Hardys could see a reduced schedule in the next month or so due to Matt's wife giving birth to Vanguard 1's baby


FTFY. Forget it Charger, it's Camerontown.


FTFY.


Slade - 6-8-2017 at 11:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
Because I don't know where else would be best to post it, my theory on what Graves knows about Angle:

Graves had heard on the grapevine that whilst Angle has been doing the GM thing because he's not capable of wrestling, that's not the case, and he's been cleared already. It'd ruin Kurt because it goes against his Integrity, and means he's been lying to everyone to pussy out of facing the new crop of superstars.

Graves now has proof of said suspicion, and what he showed him was an email/text from Kurts doctor confirming he's good to go.


I like this idea a lot. And I'm not even against using Corey Graves in a storyline, if it pays out in some kind of fun thing like this.


I'd love to see this tied into what The Miz has already been doing with Daniel Bryan. If he can't wrestle Bryan, maybe The Miz could wrestle Angle. He'd be the perfect opponent to give Angle the best odds of not getting hurt. The Miz could find he has the same frustrations with Angle as he had with Bryan - getting a perceived lack of respect for making the Intercontinental title the biggest deal on the RAW brand while the Universal Champion is nowhere to be seen. And just like he's been stealing heavily from Bryan's moveset, The Miz could start giving people the Ankle Lock and Angle Slam. And maybe Graves could pass his intelligence report on Angle onto the Hollywood A-Lister. I wouldn't scoff at building a long program around all of this culminating with a Wrestlemania match between The Miz and Angle.


royberto - 6-8-2017 at 04:56 PM

*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Impact taped TV in India last week, in a small TV studio that held 500 fans. Everyone in the crowd was paid 250 to 400 rupee (between $3.80 and $7.60) to attend. This is said to be a common practice in India for television shoots. Fans were instructed who to cheer and boo, and reportedly came off very well. Fans were told that the villains would come from the left side of the stage and the heroes from the right side. The fans doing the wave were also instructed to do so by the M.C. and not something the audience did spontaneously. Reports say that EC3 got great heel heat, and that both Mahabali Shera and Sonjay Dutt were over big with the crowd.


Apparently, Impact has no clue how to make money. Apparently they watched WCW Worldwide from MGM Studios and thought it was a great idea.


First 9 - 6-8-2017 at 05:27 PM

They're honouring a previous commitment made by Dixie with Sony Six. Not sure how they arrived to having a studio audience, but new management is just keeping their business partner happy.


CCharger - 6-8-2017 at 10:02 PM

Some rumor crap:

* As has been repeated before, Daniel Bryan and the WWE front office have significant heat. It has gotten to the point where Bryan has no timetable to return to Smackdown Live. He is in no rush to get back, and WWE isn't interested in having him back on TV. All signs point Bryan walking away when his contract expires in summer of 2018.

* Hideo Itami is also on the way out. The oft injured NXT star has his contact up later this year, and WWE is not interested in resigning him. He has said that he is not interested in returning to Japan so he may end up in ROH or TNA.

* Speaking of Japan, the WWE is planning a show in Japan in September which will likely be another Network special.


Paddlefoot - 6-8-2017 at 10:16 PM

Wonder if they'll stick with established policy and have Nakamura lose in his hometown.


First 9 - 6-9-2017 at 12:39 AM

Interesting that Itami wouldn't have Japan as his first option after leaving WWE. He was one of the most popular Japanse wrestlers, outside of NJPW's top crew. NJPW could scoop him up for a number of fresh matches or AJPW which is in contention for the second biggest promotion in Japan, could use him to keep elevating their stock. Maybe he already moved his family to America and doesn't want to move again.


denverpunk - 6-9-2017 at 12:56 AM

Sucks about Hideo, but I'm not surprised. He got hurt right when he was building momentum, and has been snakebit ever since. He probably needs a change of scenery as much as anybody.


Slade - 6-9-2017 at 01:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Wonder if they'll stick with established policy and have Nakamura lose in his hometown.


The notion that WWE makes everyone lose in their hometown is false. At Wrestlemania, Naomi won the Women's Championship in her hometown. This past weekend, Rich Swann won in his hometown. And while it may not have been in his hometown of Kyoto, Shinsuke Nakamura became the first 2-time NXT Champion in nearby Osaka six months ago. Considering that Japan is not a region in which WWE stages many events, I'd consider winning in one's home country in a city that is not far from one's hometown pretty much the same thing as winning in one's hometown.


Flash - 6-9-2017 at 05:28 AM

Also, I don't know if they still do it or not, but didn't they used to trot out the hometown guy for a post-show spot in which to send the fans home happy... IE hometown guy may job out in the main event or mid-card so that they get the heel heat on whomever beat them, but then once the cameras go dark hometown guy chases off the dastardly heel, or wins a quick impromptu rematch.


First 9 - 6-9-2017 at 05:36 AM

Also, Tajiri's last big moment in WWE was winning the Tag Titles in Japan.


GodEatGod - 6-9-2017 at 10:03 AM

Bryan and Brie do have a newborn at home, which would seem to be a pretty strong reason for his absence from Smackdown, more than any 'friction'. It might be as simple as his role not being that essential - the only real angle he had going as GM was with Miz and they shipped him off to RAW.

I dunno, maybe he does sit out his contract and end up wrestling again. Or maybe he just ends up as the on-air commissioner of RoH. I'm not going to concern-troll what he wants to do with his own body, but I do understand WWE not wanting him taking the risk in their ring.

I do know that they've been talking about this stuff for literal years now and nothing's ever actually happened. I tend to think it's just 'rumormongers know fans really miss Daniel Bryan and his name will draw clicks'.


CCharger - 6-9-2017 at 12:55 PM

* There is a Ric Flair "30 For 30" scheduled for next year on ESPN. The 30 For 30 series a REALLY excellent and I'm excited for a professional documentary on the Nature Boy not done with the oversight of the WWE.

* Brock Lesnar is scheduled to squash Samoa Joe, Braun Strowman, Seth Rollins, and Finn Balor in title matches leading up his match with Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 34 where Reigns beats him.


ulsterphil - 6-9-2017 at 02:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger


* Brock Lesnar is scheduled to squash Samoa Joe, Braun Strowman, Seth Rollins, and Finn Balor in title matches leading up his match with Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 34 where Reigns beats him.


This makes me incredibly sad and hate wrestling.


punkerhardcore - 6-9-2017 at 03:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Bryan and Brie do have a newborn at home, which would seem to be a pretty strong reason for Bryan to get back on the road as quickly as he possibly could.


Fixed


First 9 - 6-9-2017 at 04:12 PM

I have a morbid curiosity about RAW going the entire year with a barely present World Champion.


CCharger - 6-9-2017 at 04:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
I have a morbid curiosity about RAW going the entire year with a barely present World Champion.


Well, it sounds like they are going to go from a world champion you'd wish would show up more to a world champion you wish would never come around at all.


Slade - 6-9-2017 at 05:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Brock Lesnar is scheduled to squash Samoa Joe, Braun Strowman, Seth Rollins, and Finn Balor in title matches leading up his match with Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 34 where Reigns beats him.


This might be the most blatant troll-the-internet-rumour I've ever seen.


williamssl - 6-9-2017 at 07:10 PM

CCharger took some creative liberties with it. The RUMORZZZ, with original wording, says "face", not "squash".


CCharger - 6-9-2017 at 09:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
CCharger took some creative liberties with it. The RUMORZZZ, with original wording, says "face", not "squash".

Is there really any other kind of Brock match?

Also, do you really think Brock is dropping the belt to any of those guys?

[Edited on 6-9-2017 by CCharger]


williamssl - 6-9-2017 at 11:30 PM

You're cute when you're hyperbole-ing.


Paddlefoot - 6-10-2017 at 01:38 AM

It's gonna be great when the guy who never loses, and just beat the other guy who never loses, ends up losing to another guy who never loses.


Count Zero - 6-10-2017 at 05:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
This might be the most blatant troll-the-internet-rumour I've ever seen.
I thought that's how a person was supposed to catch the internets?


Chris Is Good517 - 6-10-2017 at 03:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Some rumor crap:

* As has been repeated before, Daniel Bryan and the WWE front office have significant heat. It has gotten to the point where Bryan has no timetable to return to Smackdown Live. He is in no rush to get back, and WWE isn't interested in having him back on TV. All signs point Bryan walking away when his contract expires in summer of 2018.

* Hideo Itami is also on the way out. The oft injured NXT star has his contact up later this year, and WWE is not interested in resigning him. He has said that he is not interested in returning to Japan so he may end up in ROH or TNA.



I don't know how much credence I'm lending either of these. Bryan's proven himself to be an asset to WWE in on-air roles other than in-ring, even if those roles are relatively inconsequential, and he's an asset to any rival promotions unscrupulous enough to let him get in the ring and wrestle for them. Could he move the needle for TNA at this point? Almost definitely not, but if you're WWE, why take the risk? It'd be smarter business to try to appease him than to lose him, in my opinion, even if that means going as far to let him in the ring once or twice against Shane or somebody that you trust to work safely with him.

As for Hideo, his sudden push to main event heel in NXT seems counter-intuitive to the idea of phasing him out, doesn't it? I'm more inclined to buy into the idea that they aren't interested in resigning him if this heel run fails, but maybe they're just building him up so he can put over Roddy or Ohno or Black strong on his way out, I guess we'll see.


ETA: I've heard rumors that Vince has been receptive to the idea of doing Reigns vs. Cena at WrestleMania rather than Reigns vs. Brock, which is good, but I've also heard that his #2 pick to wrestle Brock at WrestleMania is Angle, which is both not believable and also bad.

[Edited on 6-10-2017 by Chris Is Good517]


salmonjunkie - 6-10-2017 at 06:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Also, do you really think Brock is dropping the belt to any of those guys?



I think the chances are as good as Jinder Mahal becoming WWE Champion.

[Edited on 6-10-2017 by salmonjunkie]


Paddlefoot - 6-10-2017 at 08:26 PM

* Jim Cornette's hatred of Vince Russo reached a new fever peak this week when he challenged Russo to some kind of shoot-fight for a prize of $5000

* John Cena said in an interview that the "torch has already been passed" in terms of who WWE's new face-of-the-company will be, although he refused to elaborate on who it is exactly in his opinion

* contrary to previous rumours, Dalton Castle re-signed with ROH and will not be joining WWE/NXT

* Alexa Bliss and Nia Jax are being added to the cast for the next season of Total Divas but Renee Young will not be returning

* Thea (Rosita) Trinidad officially got signed to WWE/NXT this week; muy caliente, mamacita!




[Edited on 6/12/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Flash - 6-12-2017 at 06:07 AM

Russo has since responded with his own long winded rant... man, wrestling just makes me so sad sometimes... watching so many of these guys cling to whatever shred of fame they've got left, or just how many guys are caught up in the reality of the unreality of wrestling.


GodEatGod - 6-12-2017 at 10:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Russo has since responded with his own long winded rant... man, wrestling just makes me so sad sometimes... watching so many of these guys cling to whatever shred of fame they've got left, or just how many guys are caught up in the reality of the unreality of wrestling.


Russo and Cornette make their livings off hating one another. Their brand is "I'm the opposite of that guy". The beef is probably legit to one degree or another, but, given how neither of them is relevant to modern wrestling anymore, they're symbiotic entities working their own audiences at this point.


royberto - 6-12-2017 at 11:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* There is a Ric Flair "30 For 30" scheduled for next year on ESPN. The 30 For 30 series a REALLY excellent and I'm excited for a professional documentary on the Nature Boy not done with the oversight of the WWE.

Which was originally supposed to air late last year. Then early this year. Then it was pushed to late this year. Now it is being pushed back to next year. By the time they actually air it, iif they actually air it at all, it will be out of date.


Flash - 6-12-2017 at 05:29 PM

In a move that might be showing the WWE is paying attention, it's said that the Lesnar/Samoa Joe match is only being loosely laid out at this point in time so that they can either extend it, or lay the groundwork to revisit later in the year. Basically the WWE wants to watch and see what the ratings en route to the match so that they can gauge how much momentum Joe (and the feud) has behind it- this is similar to what they did with Goldberg, who was only supposed to have the one match originally (I really doubt that... it was probably more here's what we want to do and what we'll pay you per match, but if it sucks we only have to pay you for the first match)

Ratings, IMO, are probably the worst measure for something like this as the WWE entire philosophy and booking history says look past this match; plus Joe winning was buried in amongst a bunch of PPV's (kinda the ongoing problem all of the time now)- so it might take fans time to catch up to the WWE. Plus with the network not showing Raw's until a month later, and I bet the WWE collects data on searches, and maybe even what is being skipped over and so forth, and they won't have that data for a while. I think they have something cool with Joe, and should put the PR machine behind him, and maybe consider doing something surprising.


DKBroiler - 6-12-2017 at 07:24 PM

I think the Joe v Lesnar match is best booked as about 8 minutes of ultra violence from both guys, where Joe survives the 2 minute Brockplex barrage, finds a way to injure Brock and simply beats the hell out of him relentlessly and only loses once Brock dusts off the Kimura out of nowhere.

Joe ain't Cena. Getting squashed could really screw him up long term but I don't think he should win this round either.


jayman773 - 6-12-2017 at 08:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Russo has since responded with his own long winded rant... man, wrestling just makes me so sad sometimes... watching so many of these guys cling to whatever shred of fame they've got left, or just how many guys are caught up in the reality of the unreality of wrestling.


I know the feeling. I was a fan of late 90's ECW. I stumbled upon this the other day:


DKBroiler - 6-12-2017 at 08:36 PM

I just read on Yahoo that The Undertaker might not be as retired as we all thought which got me thinking ... what if "The Undertaker" character is what's retired and Mark Callaway, bad ass old guy who can win and lose matches just like anyone else, is not retired?

I'm not saying we should go full on American Bad Ass but I can't lie and say that watching Roman Reigns get his ass handed to him by a normalized version of Mark Callaway once or twice wouldn't be fun.


janerd75 - 6-12-2017 at 08:40 PM

Straight up BikerTaker could be cool. He could talk more normally. Maybe even mention that while the Deadman might be gone, the Badass is still there. Kinda like Kane de-escalating from the Demon to Corporate Kane. Why the fuck not...other than hearing Limp Bizkit in 2017.


DKBroiler - 6-12-2017 at 08:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
Straight up BikerTaker could be cool. He could talk more normally. Maybe even mention that while the Deadman might be gone, the Badass is still there. Kinda like Kane de-escalating from the Demon to Corporate Kane. Why the fuck not...other than hearing Limp Bizkit in 2017.


You love Fred Durst.


Flash - 6-12-2017 at 10:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jayman773
I know the feeling. I was a fan of late 90's ECW. I stumbled upon this the other day


Man, they are so ooooooooold looking; and to still be having a hard core match... That has to be the first time I've also seen someone put on a shirt to wrestle after coming out shirtless. I'm still amazed that New Jack finds work as well... everything he's done; but I'm really thinking mostly of when he beat the shit out of 80-something year old Gypsy Joe years back.

***

Not sure how I'd feel about a non-Undertaker Taker return... I mean we've all seen Taker without the hair dye and he looks old as balls... yeah he's a tough old dude, but I kinda think it'd be too shocking to see, to the point that it would just underscore that he's an old, old due who can only get it up to work once a year. Now... if they wanted to have him back for a month or two mini-run with a few matches in there where they can actually craft a full on story about the fall of Taker and the rise of Callaway I could get behind that... but if it's just his usual walk in point or throat cut for a week or two, followed by a bunch of absent creepy videos then pass.


denverpunk - 6-12-2017 at 10:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Joe ain't Cena. Getting squashed could really screw him up long term but I don't think he should win this round either.


Agreed. I think everything is pointing towards a DQ/run-in to continue the feud. I'd like to see something like Joe going berserk and locking in his chokehold outside the ring and making Lesnar pass out. Joe "loses" but looks fantastic. Lesnar keeps the belt but feels fear for the first time in years with a huge target on his back, and the feud continues. Money.

-- In rumor newz, apparently Bray Wyatt's wife is filing for divorce because he's been banging JoJo on the side.


G-Spot - 6-12-2017 at 10:17 PM

Forget it. already posted.

[Edited on 6-12-2017 by G-Spot]


royberto - 6-12-2017 at 10:53 PM

Bray Wyatt has apparently been given divorce papers by his wife Samantha due to him having an affair with JoJo:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4586294/WWE-champ-Bray-Wyatt-wife-divorce-Jojo-Offerman.html

He was lying to her, man!

[Edited on 6-12-2017 by royberto]


DKBroiler - 6-12-2017 at 11:05 PM

The Eater of Clams


lz4005 - 6-12-2017 at 11:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
-- In rumor newz, apparently Bray Wyatt's wife is filing for divorce because he's been banging JoJo on the side.


Let me be the first to say: Worth it.


Paddlefoot - 6-12-2017 at 11:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lz4005

Let me be the first to say: Worth it.





Chris Is Good517 - 6-13-2017 at 12:49 AM

Yeah, I can't be mad at Bray. Plus if Bray has enough game to get in there, maybe I'll take my shot too.


Flash - 6-13-2017 at 03:05 AM

Yeah, don't think I'd want to be married to a pro-wrestler in the WWE... I mean what's the score on relationships without infidelity... like maybe Piper and Foley versus everyone other person who set foot in the WWE? I don't even know about Piper other than I know he stayed married forever, and was said to avoid the party life.

ETA: Love some of the hyperbole about this, as per the Daily Mail this is going to "rock the WWE to it's core". Pretty sure they'll survive a guy who's best known as a creepy cult like leader cheating on his wife... I mean it's not like perennial baby face Cena going on Stern and admitting how much he loves to screw over weight ring rats.

[Edited on 6-13-2017 by Flash]


PB-13 - 6-13-2017 at 05:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Brock Lesnar is scheduled to squash Samoa Joe, Braun Strowman, Seth Rollins, and Finn Balor in title matches leading up his match with Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 34 where Reigns beats him.


This might be the most blatant troll-the-internet-rumour I've ever seen.


He'll actually beat Reigns and then lose the title to James Ellsworth the next night on Raw.

#GETPEOPLETALKING
#NOONEWILLSEEITCOMING
#PREDICTTHATINTERNETNITWITS


G-Spot - 6-13-2017 at 06:54 PM

Take this as you will....Meltzer is reporting that the Corey Graves/Kurt Angle storyline is going to line up Stephanie returning, and lead to Angle vs. HHH at a bigger PPV, possibly SummerSlam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, or WrestleMania.

[Edited on 6-13-2017 by G-Spot]


salmonjunkie - 6-13-2017 at 07:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
I think the Joe v Lesnar match is best booked as about 8 minutes of ultra violence from both guys, where Joe survives the 2 minute Brockplex barrage, finds a way to injure Brock and simply beats the hell out of him relentlessly and only loses once Brock dusts off the Kimura out of nowhere.



First move I see... Brock attempts German Suplex, Joe reverses it and does his own German Suplex, beginning a match in which we see Joe suplex-repeat-suplex-repeat the hell out of Brock. Joe is, after all, the Samoan Suplex Machine. Alternately, I could see a match with that same beginning that ultimately centers on the two of them trading suplexes (with other moves in between).

I could see Brock doing the Kimura out of nowhere as a finish, or causing a DQ to keep the title.

[Edited on 6-13-2017 by salmonjunkie]


williamssl - 6-13-2017 at 08:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by G-Spot
Take this as you will....Meltzer is reporting that the Corey Graves/Kurt Angle storyline is going to line up Stephanie returning, and lead to Angle vs. HHH at a bigger PPV, possibly SummerSlam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, or WrestleMania.





I love how this could be in 2 months, 5, 7, or 10.


I am pro Angle/HHH in a match.

I am con this playing out for 7-10 months.

I vote Survivor Series.


CCharger - 6-13-2017 at 08:33 PM

I believe every bit of this rumor. Every time ratings drop Vince does one of two things: puts StepHHH on TV full time or puts Cena into a title feud.

My guess is both of them will happen this time.

I'm also putting the odds of Angle putting HHH over clean at 101% because I am a HHH-hating asshole.


First 9 - 6-13-2017 at 08:38 PM

Exact wording is that this is leading to Triple H. A match isn't confirmed yet. This might lead to a HHH vs Kurt battle with in ring proxies or to HHH vs somebody representing Angle.

I hope this isn't a waste of Kurt Angle's return match.


Paddlefoot - 6-13-2017 at 11:27 PM

* Mauro Ranallo and Mike Goldberg both signed on as announcers for a series of MMA events that Bellator will be running on multiple streams, including on Spike TV; in showing how significant pro wrestling is to them they didn't even bother to mention Mauro's time with WWE in the part of the press release that summarized his announcing career

* Paige had some X-rays done on her neck today and indicated she'd be ready to return to the ring soon; in related news the broadcast team at USA is getting extra training on the seven-second delay in order to bleep out the cumslut-centric fan comments that will be shouted at her when she returns; don't let her near your belt, Alexa, you don't know where she's been!


Slade - 6-15-2017 at 01:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
In a move that might be showing the WWE is paying attention, it's said that the Lesnar/Samoa Joe match is only being loosely laid out at this point in time so that they can either extend it, or lay the groundwork to revisit later in the year. Basically the WWE wants to watch and see what the ratings en route to the match so that they can gauge how much momentum Joe (and the feud) has behind it- this is similar to what they did with Goldberg, who was only supposed to have the one match originally (I really doubt that... it was probably more here's what we want to do and what we'll pay you per match, but if it sucks we only have to pay you for the first match)

Ratings, IMO, are probably the worst measure for something like this as the WWE entire philosophy and booking history says look past this match; plus Joe winning was buried in amongst a bunch of PPV's (kinda the ongoing problem all of the time now)- so it might take fans time to catch up to the WWE. Plus with the network not showing Raw's until a month later, and I bet the WWE collects data on searches, and maybe even what is being skipped over and so forth, and they won't have that data for a while. I think they have something cool with Joe, and should put the PR machine behind him, and maybe consider doing something surprising.


It looks like WWE is paying attention to ratings in new ways. We all know that TV ratings are down and they keep going down, but rumour has it that they are paying close attention to the number of views they get for the videos they upload to YouTube and that they're happy with the hits they've been getting on their video of the Brock-Joe confrontation on RAW, which has over 5.1 million views in two days.


First 9 - 6-15-2017 at 02:22 AM

Wonder if they'd go with something as simple the dusty double finish(guy tapped out at the same time the other guy's shoulder were down for three) or something more ballsy like Joe technically losing but Lesnar is absolutely destroyed or Joe winning the whole damn thing.


PB-13 - 6-15-2017 at 03:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by G-Spot
Take this as you will....Meltzer is reporting that the Corey Graves/Kurt Angle storyline is going to line up Stephanie returning, and lead to Angle vs. HHH at a bigger PPV, possibly SummerSlam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, or WrestleMania.



Called it.


DKBroiler - 6-15-2017 at 02:58 PM

I'm all for a HHH v Angle return match. I agree I don't want 10 months of it like HHH v Rollins but at either SummerSlam or Survivor Series, cool. Angle winning the Rumble and facing Lesnar at Mania would work too. It'll keep up our now annual tradition of Brock getting his heat back from a 15 year old loss.

Anyway, I'm good with HHH as his first opponent though. You know he'll be able to have a good match and keep Angle safe in the ring (not that I don't think Angle wouldn't be fine) but it's a good test to see how far along he is. It he no longer has it he can go back into mothballs, if he does it'll be a good springboard.


GodEatGod - 6-15-2017 at 10:12 PM

Honestly, I think the only Angle match I'd be stoked for at all would be Angle/Nakamura at this point. The other matches have all been done when the various participants were younger and spryer (including Joe and AJ, who had all time classics with Angle in TNA, some of the best that company ever had). Balor or Rollins might interest me, but they're not going to use whatever few matches Angle might wrestle on those guys - the only new blood I expect has much of a shot, other than Nakamura, would be Reigns.

Not to say the HHH or Brock or AJ or Cena matches couldn't be good now, but they wouldn't really be dream matches.

Joe/Brock has me excited for it simply by existing - and I don't even like Brock Lesnar that much anymore. I don't think HHH/Angle would get me buzzing the same way. It would require a good angle and a story, neither of which I can rely on from WWE with anything like consistency.

[Edited on 6-15-2017 by GodEatGod]


GodEatGod - 6-15-2017 at 10:14 PM

Stupid double post.

[Edited on 6-15-2017 by GodEatGod]


anglefan85 - 6-15-2017 at 10:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Mauro Ranallo and Mike Goldberg both signed on as announcers for a series of MMA events that Bellator will be running on multiple streams, including on Spike TV; in showing how significant pro wrestling is to them they didn't even bother to mention Mauro's time with WWE in the part of the press release that summarized his announcing career

* Paige had some X-rays done on her neck today and indicated she'd be ready to return to the ring soon; in related news the broadcast team at USA is getting extra training on the seven-second delay in order to bleep out the cumslut-centric fan comments that will be shouted at her when she returns; don't let her near your belt, Alexa, you don't know where she's been!


Hopefully Paige doesn't get lost in the shuffle upon returning


CCharger - 6-15-2017 at 10:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Mauro Ranallo and Mike Goldberg both signed on as announcers for a series of MMA events that Bellator will be running on multiple streams, including on Spike TV; in showing how significant pro wrestling is to them they didn't even bother to mention Mauro's time with WWE in the part of the press release that summarized his announcing career

* Paige had some X-rays done on her neck today and indicated she'd be ready to return to the ring soon; in related news the broadcast team at USA is getting extra training on the seven-second delay in order to bleep out the cumslut-centric fan comments that will be shouted at her when she returns; don't let her near your belt, Alexa, you don't know where she's been!


Hopefully Paige doesn't get lost in the shuffle upon returning

This is my concern as well.

Can she penetrate the division or will the train just keep running without her? Regardless, she's just got to keep coming and coming. She's already shown that she is capable of blowing the whole thing. But the WWE is one of the best jobs in the word. Does she really want to blow that job? Even if she doesn't blow it, will HHH or Vince try to fuck her over?

On the other hand, all you need to do is watch video of Paige to know that she will bend over backward to please the viewers. She's a pro. Unlike Shawn Michaels, she will lay down for anybody. In the end, once you strip it all bare, it's clear that all the balls are in Paige's court.


GodEatGod - 6-15-2017 at 11:31 PM

I genuinely hope they can find some way past the backstage melodrama and the social media snafus, cause Paige vs. Alexa Bliss would actually be a pretty sweet feud.

Also: titties.


Paddlefoot - 6-16-2017 at 01:45 AM

They certainly could use Paige to re-ignite the RAW division based on in-ring talent alone if she was to return with a better attitude and actually want to be there again. Who knows about the ADR factor though, if he's poisoned her mind or if she'll do like AJ Lee did and just go away to be loyal to her man. I also have my doubts that the backlash over the filth vids from fans and maybe even the other women will go away all that quickly. It would be a great opportunity though for a nasty loudmouth like Alexa to go off script to with adding a couple of "don't touch me! i know where your hands have been!" kinds of comments at her.

And clearly CCHarger is a re-incarnated porno pocket book author who died in the 1970's. Possible POTY candidate!


Cherokee Jack - 6-16-2017 at 01:56 AM

quote:
Can she penetrate the division or will the train just keep running without her? Regardless, she's just got to keep coming and coming. She's already shown that she is capable of blowing the whole thing. But the WWE is one of the best jobs in the word. Does she really want to blow that job? Even if she doesn't blow it, will HHH or Vince try to fuck her over?

On the other hand, all you need to do is watch video of Paige to know that she will bend over backward to please the viewers. She's a pro. Unlike Shawn Michaels, she will lay down for anybody. In the end, once you strip it all bare, it's clear that all the balls are in Paige's court.
Holy shit.


Paddlefoot - 6-16-2017 at 02:26 AM

Of course they could just bring these two maniacs up to RAW and rescue the division by introducing an era of beatings by heavy sacks filled with doorknobs or other such similar pressed-metal hardware.


Slade - 6-16-2017 at 02:48 AM

That's nice and all, but I bet they weren't even half as far off the ground as this:



Now, that's a woman that will do anything to fuck you up!


dRob78 - 6-16-2017 at 03:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
This is my concern as well.

Can she penetrate the division or will the train just keep running without her? Regardless, she's just got to keep coming and coming. She's already shown that she is capable of blowing the whole thing. But the WWE is one of the best jobs in the word. Does she really want to blow that job? Even if she doesn't blow it, will HHH or Vince try to fuck her over?

On the other hand, all you need to do is watch video of Paige to know that she will bend over backward to please the viewers. She's a pro. Unlike Shawn Michaels, she will lay down for anybody. In the end, once you strip it all bare, it's clear that all the balls are in Paige's court.


Bravo, sir. Bravo.


Flash - 6-16-2017 at 03:36 AM

I don't know about laying down for anybody; in that one video it took two men to lay her out, and the rest of them looked like hard core matches with no holes barred.


royberto - 6-16-2017 at 10:39 AM

*Mike Bennett and Maria are expected to make their debuts for WWE at this weekend’s house shows. The two signed on back in April after leaving Impact Wrestling. It’s possible that the two could get involved somewhere at Money in the Bank; otherwise, they are expected to make their TV debuts on Smackdown next week.

This will be Bennett’s first run in WWE, while Maria is making her return after leaving in 2010. The two are expected to be put into a storyline upon their debut, though who they will feud with isn’t known.


SaiyaJinDX - 6-16-2017 at 04:37 PM

Uggh... I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but I'm not a fan of Bennett. Ever since he was the Prodigy in ROH, people were all like "he's made for the WWE!" But I just didn't (and still don't) see it. It annoyed me when they put him over people that were much better than him (kind of like how WWE pushed Orton right out the gate) so maybe that has colored my opinion of him.

But even at the end of his ROH and Japan run, I still wasn't very impressed and TNA... well not much could be expected from that, so I won't hold that against him too much. But that being said, he didn't really break out there either.


First 9 - 6-16-2017 at 05:17 PM

Couple of random newsbits,

-Xavier and Big E have said it's their mission to make Kofi a World Champion in the next two years. New Day is an extremely over act so with a quick build, I feel any of the 3 members could be a credible challenger for the Title. I really hope they do make this happened. I've always liked Kofi.

- Mauro is penned to be the guy who calls the Mayweather vs Mcgregor fight. So from the big leagues to WWE's circus show back to the big leagues. Good for him.

-Sasha Banks has been working closely with Shawn Michaels in the Performance Center to improve on her mic skills.


royberto - 6-16-2017 at 07:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
-Sasha Banks has been working closely with Shawn Michaels in the Performance Center to improve on her mic skills.
Hopefully he isn't teaching her how he sounds in interviews.


Flash - 6-16-2017 at 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
-Xavier and Big E have said it's their mission to make Kofi a World Champion in the next two years. New Day is an extremely over act so with a quick build, I feel any of the 3 members could be a credible challenger for the Title. I really hope they do make this happened. I've always liked Kofi.


Unless the WWE sets up a really dominant big guy heel I just don't see Kofi winning the title... he's too flashy in the ring to be heel, and I don't think he's sharp enough on the mic to commit to the yeah, I'm that damn good kind of work he'd need to put in to pull off being a talented flashy heel.

Woods... maybe might have a career as a manager post-New day; but it's just as likely he's just gone from the WWE altogether... he seems like a bright dude who might be able to parlay his video game stuff into a second career on those blogs and YouTube channels... or porn... maybe porn and video games?

Big E seems like a guy that because of his size could be a champ, I just think he's missing that hook... he's got it as part of New Day, but as a singles guy or when he was seconding Ziggler he seemed to brush up against what Batista had with Evolution... that kind of logical monster, but never quite got there. I think his work against Rusev was more about wanting to see someone beat Rusev than it was Big E being big time over.


Paddlefoot - 6-16-2017 at 09:01 PM

* Scott Steiner interview every bit as amazing as you'd expect it to be - awwww yeaaaaaaah!

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0616/627156/scott-steiner-on-why-he-left-tna/

quote:
What do you think they do with that Ric Flair statue, the one he was jumping up and down over? Where do you think that statue is at right now? If you had to guess right now where do you think it's at? I say it's in Triple H's bedroom. Let me ask you this, do you think they made a statue of Macho Man? If they made a statue of Macho Man where did you think it would be? It would be in Stephanie's bedroom.


[Edited on 6/16/2017 by Paddlefoot]


janerd75 - 6-16-2017 at 09:21 PM

So, definite HoF for Scotty next year, right?


GodEatGod - 6-16-2017 at 09:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash


Unless the WWE sets up a really dominant big guy heel I just don't see Kofi winning the title... he's too flashy in the ring to be heel, and I don't think he's sharp enough on the mic to commit to the yeah, I'm that damn good kind of work he'd need to put in to pull off being a talented flashy heel.



Having watched a fair amount of UpUpDownDown...Kofi could be a hell of a heel. When he's in any sort of gaming tournament, he is an obnoxious, loud-mouthed, shit-talking, get-under-your-skin asshole. I'm sure he's a very nice guy otherwise, but he is fully capable of making you want to see him get beaten senseless by his own friends, much less potential enemies. If he can channel any of that into some heel promos, he'd be good to go.


janerd75 - 6-16-2017 at 09:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by Flash


Unless the WWE sets up a really dominant big guy heel I just don't see Kofi winning the title... he's too flashy in the ring to be heel, and I don't think he's sharp enough on the mic to commit to the yeah, I'm that damn good kind of work he'd need to put in to pull off being a talented flashy heel.



Having watched a fair amount of UpUpDownDown...Kofi could be a hell of a heel. When he's in any sort of gaming tournament, he is an obnoxious, loud-mouthed, shit-talking, get-under-your-skin asshole. I'm sure he's a very nice guy otherwise, but he is fully capable of making you want to see him get beaten senseless by his own friends, much less potential enemies. If he can channel any of that into some heel promos, he'd be good to go.


Highly doubtful the WWE'd allow it, or would even have the capacity to pull off well-written TV-14 innuendo, but I think Woods could work as a singles heel if they let him interject some sleaze around the edges much like his brother from another mother Joey Ryan. Well, not that much sleaze, but enough to sell the smarmy heel gimmick. And no Dick Suplexes from Woods lest his opponent wants his hand ripped clean off.




Flash - 6-16-2017 at 10:03 PM

I'd like to see that, as I do like Kofi but always found there were a few glaring problems with him that kinda stopped me from seeing him as a main event guy.


Psychocop - 6-16-2017 at 10:11 PM

I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas when he was still Jamaican . He did not say much, but had a huge smile when I recognized him. He continued to smile when my broke ass camera was slow AF to take a pic. I told him that day that Vince needs to give him a big time push. He laughed and shook my hand. Cool dude.

[Edited on 6-16-2017 by Psychocop]


First 9 - 6-16-2017 at 10:51 PM

Kofi looked like an absolute star during his brief singles push in late 09. His pins over both Orton and CM Punk to win a Survivor Series match was fantastic and the crowd was way into it.

He just got shoved aside when Bret came back, DX broke up into separate angles for HHH and HBK, and Orton turned face, overcrowding the face side and forcing him back down. I legit think he could have a Mysterio-level(not the Top face, but successful bouncing between the Main event scene and the midcard) had WWE gotten fully behind him.


Big G - 6-17-2017 at 03:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Psychocop
I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas ...
[Edited on 6-16-2017 by Psychocop]


This anecdote promised so much


Paddlefoot - 6-17-2017 at 05:25 AM

It's almost Jagger & Richards level of lyrical brilliance. All it needs is a tune, a bouncy tune.

I saw her today at the reception....

I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas....


Flash - 6-17-2017 at 07:15 AM

*The WWE has threatened legal action against "Raw Motors", a small car rental business in England for infringing on their copyrights/intellectual property. The own of Raw Motors promptly challenged anyone from the WWE to a real fight for the logo; which he claims is just a coincidence. The challenge of a fight did not go over well with the WWE's lawyers, who have given him 2 months to cease and desist using the name/logo.... from the picture included with the story I'm going to guess that the owner of Raw Motors has confused the word "coincidence" with "yeah I stole it". (Picture the exact Raw logo/font, but blue)...

Maybe the WWE could promote this and also get any other pesky potential legal minefields, or just nuisance stuff out of the way all at once with a supercard:

*Vince McMahon vs Donald Trump for the rights to "You're fired"
*Sting vs Sting
*Hulk Hogan vs The Incredible Hulk (to be played by Lou Ferrigno)
*The Gobbledygooker vs the WWF Panda for the right to the WWF name again
*Jerry Devitt vs Konstantine Kyros
*Roman Reigns vs the Internet
*Russo vs Cornette
*Big Show vs the Raw motors guy

*Daniel Bryan is slated to be back on SD this Tuesday per his twitter.


G. Jonah Jameson - 6-17-2017 at 12:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
It's almost Jagger & Richards level of lyrical brilliance. All it needs is a tune, a bouncy tune.

I saw her today at the reception....

I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas....


I was thinking:

I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas
Where you eat Booty-Os and they taste just like cherry cola
C-O-L-A, cola...


salmonjunkie - 6-17-2017 at 06:30 PM

I'd be all for a Kofi world championship run, even if it's as short lived as Christian's.


Count Zero - 6-17-2017 at 08:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SaiyaJinDX
Uggh... I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but I'm not a fan of Bennett. Ever since he was the Prodigy in ROH, people were all like "he's made for the WWE!" But I just didn't (and still don't) see it. It annoyed me when they put him over people that were much better than him (kind of like how WWE pushed Orton right out the gate) so maybe that has colored my opinion of him.

But even at the end of his ROH and Japan run, I still wasn't very impressed and TNA... well not much could be expected from that, so I won't hold that against him too much. But that being said, he didn't really break out there either.
I also don't know if we're in the minority, but I'm not terribly into Mediocre Mike Bennett. All I know him from is his TNA time recently, and while there are people in TNA that I find entertaining who are seemingly able to make bad stuff half-bearable.. He is not one of them for me.


DevilSoprano - 6-17-2017 at 11:55 PM

Bennett's a great heel. I don't think he should be winning multiple world titles or anything, but as a upper midcard heel, he'll be a good fit on either brand.


denverpunk - 6-18-2017 at 06:03 AM

Re: New Day wanting Kofi to be a world champ, they said that over a year ago, and he's no closer now than he was then. I think that ship sailed when Orton threw his fit years ago.


CVD39 - 6-18-2017 at 09:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
It's almost Jagger & Richards level of lyrical brilliance. All it needs is a tune, a bouncy tune.

I saw her today at the reception....

I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas....


I read his whole damn post to that tune. It kinda almost works.


Slade - 6-18-2017 at 02:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
Re: New Day wanting Kofi to be a world champ, they said that over a year ago, and he's no closer now than he was then. I think that ship sailed when Orton threw his fit years ago.


I'd argue he was closer to it a year ago. Where has he been this year? For that matter, where has the New Day been? Last year, the New Day was about a year into its record-setting run as tag team champions. This year, it seems like they haven't done a single thing except for host Wrestlemania. I also remember each member being in the Royal Rumble, but that's the last time I've seen Kofi, Xavier or Big E in a match. It's been half a year since I've seen the New Day in a tag team match (when they lost the titles to Cesaro & Sheamus).


the goon - 6-18-2017 at 05:08 PM

My biggest issue with Kofi and New Day is just how stale the whole act is. They've been doing the exact same gimmick for what, at least two years now? And I'm sure they probably still sell a ton of merch for the WWE, but I just don't see how Kofi gets to world champion status with how things currently are.


GodEatGod - 6-18-2017 at 06:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
My biggest issue with Kofi and New Day is just how stale the whole act is. They've been doing the exact same gimmick for what, at least two years now? And I'm sure they probably still sell a ton of merch for the WWE, but I just don't see how Kofi gets to world champion status with how things currently are.


Which just goes to show how tight the window is on gimmicks/characters nowadays. The New Day felt superfresh and unlike anything else and, yeah, now they feel kind of stale. But they've only had one really good run with the tag titles. They're, like, a blip on the radar historically compared to a lot of teams of the past. It just goes to show how the business has changed.


salmonjunkie - 6-18-2017 at 06:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
I'd argue he was closer to it a year ago. Where has he been this year? For that matter, where has the New Day been? Last year, the New Day was about a year into its record-setting run as tag team champions. This year, it seems like they haven't done a single thing except for host Wrestlemania. I also remember each member being in the Royal Rumble, but that's the last time I've seen Kofi, Xavier or Big E in a match. It's been half a year since I've seen the New Day in a tag team match (when they lost the titles to Cesaro & Sheamus).


Kofi had an ankle injury that he likely had before Wrestlemania. The Raw after WM, they had an angle where The Revival debuted on Raw and broke Kofi's ankle post-match, writing him off so he could get ankle surgery. Instead of keeping the rest of them on TV, all three of The New Day got time off. They got traded to Smackdown and had vignettes "New Day is coming to SD" for a few weeks, just recently returned and are battling the Usos for the SD Tag Team titles tonight at Money In The Bank, their first PPV appearance since Wrestlemania.


Slade - 6-19-2017 at 02:23 AM

Thanks Sal.

I had no idea that Kofi was injured. I also didn't know that New Day was taken off television during his injury. Furthermore, I didn't know that New Day was moved to Smackdown from Raw. I thought it was strange how quickly New Day disappeared from appearing on the monthly Network specials after losing the tag titles in December. I plan on watching Money in the Bank tomorrow night as I had other plans this evening. Had you not told me that New Day is on the card, I would have been pleasantly surprised to see them wrestle for the first time since before Christmas.


lz4005 - 6-19-2017 at 04:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie

Kofi had an ankle injury that he likely had before Wrestlemania. The Raw after WM, they had an angle where The Revival debuted on Raw and broke Kofi's ankle post-match, writing him off so he could get ankle surgery. Instead of keeping the rest of them on TV, all three of The New Day got time off. They got traded to Smackdown and had vignettes "New Day is coming to SD" for a few weeks, just recently returned and are battling the Usos for the SD Tag Team titles tonight at Money In The Bank, their first PPV appearance since Wrestlemania.


Woodsy also wanted time off because his wife gave birth to their first child coinciding with Kofi's surgery.

[Edited on 6-19-2017 by lz4005]


Thom - 6-19-2017 at 02:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
It's almost Jagger & Richards level of lyrical brilliance. All it needs is a tune, a bouncy tune.

I saw her today at the reception....

I met Kofi on the monorail in Vegas....


Pleased to meet you...
Hope you get that push.
[Doo-doo!!]


gobbledygooker - 6-19-2017 at 06:23 PM

Yeah, I've been thinking a Kofi heel turn would be pretty stellar and was wondering/hoping that might be what they were going to build toward when he was gone for a bit but...nope! The other concerning thing is that the crowd is eating it up just as much, if not more, than they ever were so I don't see WWE jumping off the New Day gravy train for a while yet.

I am glad the Uso's kept the belts last night though. I was just thinking as that match was going on if New Day won, where do things go from there? They set another record for longest reign? They just feel, to me, like they're on a different level from the other Smackdown teams (and the fact that there are three of them doesn't help any).


Flash - 6-19-2017 at 11:56 PM

Some rumours....

*It is expected that the Jinder Mahal versus Randy Orton feud is going to continue; likely culminating in some kind of Punjabi Prison match.

*Strowman is expected back any day now

*Bit of a minor exodus of TNA's backstage talent, as Shane Helms, Al Snow, and Simon Diamond have all left the company. While Helms was a relatively new backstage addition (2015) Snow (2008) and Diamond (2003) had been in backstage roles for a long time.


Slade - 6-20-2017 at 11:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
Yeah, I've been thinking a Kofi heel turn would be pretty stellar and was wondering/hoping that might be what they were going to build toward when he was gone for a bit but...nope! The other concerning thing is that the crowd is eating it up just as much, if not more, than they ever were so I don't see WWE jumping off the New Day gravy train for a while yet.

I am glad the Uso's kept the belts last night though. I was just thinking as that match was going on if New Day won, where do things go from there? They set another record for longest reign? They just feel, to me, like they're on a different level from the other Smackdown teams (and the fact that there are three of them doesn't help any).


Why is it a concern that the crowd is eating up the New Day as much or more than it ever has? That's a good thing for them and for WWE.

You know, I noticed for a while that people around here have complained about the New Day being stale, but I don't get it. The New Day continues to be entertaining and they're one of WWE's few truly hot commodities. There's no sense in making some sort of drastic change to the team. If it ain't broke, it don't need to be fixed.

Also, a thought that occurred to me last night while I was watching the first half of Money in the Bank - when the New Day was making its ring entrance, the camera did a lot of panning to the crowd and it settled on a lot of children. It may be the case that WWE isn't going to find that one superstar to replace John Cena as the kids' favourite wrestler and the company's #1 merchandise mover. Perhaps, instead, it already has a trio of superstars who can take that mantle from Cena. Maybe Vince would be wise to recognize that it is the New Day and not Roman Reigns who is the new John Cena - that is the New Day can will be their favourite wrestlers and generate the most merchandising revenue.


Dirty Rhodes - 6-20-2017 at 01:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Some rumours....

*It is expected that the Jinder Mahal versus Randy Orton feud is going to continue; likely culminating in some kind of Punjabi Prison match.


Great. Another puntang-jabi prison match. With Jinder f'n Mahal and Randal K Orton. Maybe they can bring Kali back as the special (needs) referee.
Yee fuckin haw...


Jumbie - 6-20-2017 at 05:21 PM

A Punjabi prison is a terrible place where unspeakable things happen.

A Prison of Horrors if you will.

And since prison is often refered to as the Big House, a Punjabi Prison Match will in effect be a Big House of Horrors match.

I for one can't wait.

[Edited on 6-20-2017 by Jumbie]


Paddlefoot - 6-20-2017 at 07:07 PM

* on Y2J's podcast, Big Show tees off big time on WWE's creative direction and process:

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0620/627271/big-show-rips-wwe-creative-writers-and-long/

quote:
"I love the live events. I love the Friday, Saturday, Sunday live event shows. I hate TVs. TVs, I just want to bash myself in the head with a hammer because they're just long, useless, time-wasting, bulls--t days where you sit around all friggin day for some idea that absolutely sucks. Debating it for hours and 17,000 inputs. And one or two guys laced up a pair of wrestling boots in their life and know what they're talking about. The others have never laced up a pair and really don't know s--t, but for some reason, they're telling you what to do. So you're just sitting there baffled. We all have that same look at TV, we walk around baffled, going, 'why are we doing this?'


Probably speaking out loud for 90% of the talent that are too young, new, and scared to say anything.


janerd75 - 6-20-2017 at 07:58 PM

What's the Large Spectacle doing in the Impact Zone, Josh?


CM Crunk - 6-20-2017 at 09:11 PM

Not sure if it'll have any effect on the almost universally assumed ending to the main event of GBoF; but the views of the altercation between Joe and Brock has surpassed Goldberg's return on WWE's YouTube channel.


First 9 - 6-22-2017 at 09:27 PM

Mauro's back and going back to NXT. Since nobody was willing to say anything, I guess the official story will be that the daily gring of traveling is what screwed Mauro up.


Gobshite - 6-22-2017 at 09:49 PM

Not just an official story, I think there's a strong chance it's legit the reason. The WWE travel schedule, even just for TV is brutal. Add in that once a month he was away from Saturday to Wednesday for PPV's, and someone who is prone to fatigue, mental health issues and exhaustion could easily find it too demanding. This way he gets to go to Orlando once a month and that's all, with a Takeover event once every few months. It's a much better deal for him than the weekly grind, and shows that if he's still
Willing to work with WWE, he can't have been on THAT bad a term with them.


Paddlefoot - 6-22-2017 at 11:33 PM

* Vince Russo took out an order of protection against Jim Cornette today, with Cornette's "offer" of the two of them having a shoot fight apparently convincing Russo that Cornette is genuinely in a "I will hunt you, I will find you" mode

* the always simmering Twitter beef between Reby Sky and Anthem/TNA fully erupted again today; Jeff Jarrett made some comment about "taking the high road" that made Reby explode, with her unleashing an epic tweetstorm which included threatening to release some information on a DUI that Jarrett or someone close to him was penalized with recently

* Bubba Ray said that fans expecting WWE to green-light a Broken Matt/Brother Nero gimmick for the Hardys will be disappointed; he said that it might occur in some form but it won't be like what was done for TNA, because WWE will want their own 'riter dnonkeys and producers heavily involved to put the WWE "stamp" on it, i.e. wreck it completely for anyone who loved the original insanity the Hardys put together last year

[Edited on 6/22/2017 by Paddlefoot]


janerd75 - 6-22-2017 at 11:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Vince Russo took out an order of protection against Jim Cornette today, with Cornette's "offer" of the two of them having a shoot fight apparently convincing Russo that Cornette is genuinely in a "I will hunt you, I will find you" mode

* the always simmering Twitter beef between Reby Sky and Anthem/TNA fully erupted again today; Jeff Jarrett made some comment about "taking the high road" that made Reby explode, with her unleashing an epic tweetstorm which included threatening to release some information on a DUI that Jarrett or someone close to him was penalized with recently

* Bubba Ray said that fans expecting WWE to green-light a Broken Matt/Brother Nero gimmick for the Hardys will be disappointed; he said that it might occur in some form but it won't be like what was done for TNA, because WWE will want their own 'riter dnonkeys and producers heavily involved to put the WWE "stamp" on it, i.e. wreck it completely for anyone who loved the original insanity the Hardys put together last year



1) Feud of the, uh, Lifetime? God I wish those two would just fuck or fight and get it over with.

2) Post-partum hormone swarms are a hell of a drug. Just tap out now, Double J.

3) 'riter dnonkeys. I like that. For some reason it kinda reminds me of this scene from Crocodile Dundee II. Anyway, sad to say the Bubba Ray news is really . If the WWE can swing the New Day and the clearly upwardly mobile Fashion Police, there's no good goddamn reason the Broken Hardys couldn't work either. Sure, who created it and how much input will the Hardys get to retain blah blah blah, but JC and the Apostles WWE, think of the Moichandising, Moichandising, MOICHANDISING!!!

As for Mauro's Return: But we wantsed JBL's head. We wantsed it!

Lol, j/k, we mostly all murdered JBL 'cause he sucks at his job. And putting soap in Edge's hinder, but still. What's InternetIncursiOOn doing in the Impact Zone, Josh?


Flash - 6-23-2017 at 03:22 AM

Wait, so if Mauro in his first statement cleared JBL, and is now back working with the WWE.... does that mean that we were the ones bullying JBL all along?


First 9 - 6-23-2017 at 03:29 AM

It did make him more tolerable as an announcer so I'd say the witch hunt was worth it. Last year when he was paired we'd Byron, he'd derail whatever they were talking about to basically say ''I hate you Byron'' in 20 words. Now they're basically buddies which I find hilarious.


Nobledictator1278 - 6-23-2017 at 05:36 AM

Ive never understood why the New Day can't go after singles titles.... I think Kingston deserves some main event exposure and I think Big E can be big too ...let Xavier be the mouthpiece if you will. I think Kofi could be fun in the smack down main event picture if for just the matches. AJ vs Kofi, Kevin Owens and Kof would be pretty fun....and so would Nakamura/Kofi. I think Kofi is underappreciated. I certainly think he deserves it.


Thom - 6-23-2017 at 01:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Wait, so if Mauro in his first statement cleared JBL, and is now back working with the WWE.... does that mean that we were the ones bullying JBL all along?







janerd75 - 6-23-2017 at 04:18 PM

Um, why is this smarmy skeeveball staring me down whilst I try to pay my electric bill? Rumour has it he's still working with high tension cables. White to white and black to black when making your connections, Brad. You mix those up and shit could blow up all over your face.


Flash - 6-23-2017 at 04:33 PM

Jeez that's funny... I don't fault guys for finding work and making an honest living, but it's still funny to see ex (current?) wrestlers in stuff that.... well, let's just say stuff that's not the expected tough guy/hoodlum #3 in generic action movie role... like Maven working for the home shopping network, and I think it's Snitsky doing some sort of pressure cooker or something like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocpXLywxg9o

Jump to about the 2:27 mark... the WWE should definitely hire this guy back.


Chris Is Good517 - 6-23-2017 at 09:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
Not sure if it'll have any effect on the almost universally assumed ending to the main event of GBoF; but the views of the altercation between Joe and Brock has surpassed Goldberg's return on WWE's YouTube channel.


I don't think it changes shit in the short-term, but this probably bodes well for Joe's long-term future as a title contender.

There have been a lot of rumors that are now picking up momentum that WWE is preparing to change lanes and go ahead and rip off the band-aid and have Reigns unseat Brock at SummerSlam to get the belt back on TV. I have mixed feelings about that; on the one hand Brock vs. Braun is your money match, on the other, prolonging the inevitable 'Reigns conquers the Beast' story is arguably as bad or worse than the story itself. May as well steer into the skid, since it's not a secret that it's coming anyway and 9 months of resigned dread is potentially going to chase away an audience that knows you're in a holding pattern.

Anyway, if that ends up panning out and Reigns leaves SummerSlam with the belt, the expectation is that they'll begin building to Cena vs. Reigns at WrestleMania (which is a much more palatable WM match than Brock vs. Reigns, albeit not one that I think needs to be for the title). In the interim, you've got Joe with a couple of wins over Reigns already who can be a credible contender to burn at least a PPV or two on, as well as Big Cass, who is a perfectly impressive monster-of-the-month for a PPV cycle.


First 9 - 6-23-2017 at 10:16 PM

Now a year after and SD still being a show with strong star power, it looks they'll take the 2 brands seriously and won't let SD go to the dogs like they did last time when Lesnar left. Combine that with NXT and I've grown okay with Reigns as RAW's top dog. His presence doesn't suffocate the entire product thanks to the alternatives

He's a lot better than Orton and Batista were during their first years on top(I'm going to start what I finished Mick, at Backlash I start what I finished!'' and has several positives over Cena. 05-10 John sort of was a crapshoot when it came to great matches. One night he's killing it against Shawn Michaels, next one he's having pretty blah matches against Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle. Reigns usually kills it with quality opponents and the finish will usually be what might ruin it for some of us. Also, no shitty STF as a finisher.


anglefan85 - 6-24-2017 at 03:27 AM

You. Fucking. Idiot.

www.gerweck.net/2017/06/22/daniel-bryan-training-for-return-to-the-ring/

quote:
The leader of the “Yes Movement” said yesterday in an interview with Sports Illustrated that he’s training for a comeback. Bryan is the final year of a 5 year contract and has said in the past that he has been working on a more grounded style of wrestling and will be taking less high risks in the ring, if the stars align and he steps foot in a The squared circle again.

Bryan Alvarez of Wrestling Observer Radio also today said it’s not a question of IF Daniel Bryan wrestles ever again, it’s a question of WHEN.

Alvarez believes WWE will do “anything it takes” to keep Bryan on board with the company and Alvarez believes that, if Daniel wants to wrestler again, WWE will have to work out a contract that will allow him to work for New Japan and CMLL, like he has expressed in the past.

Although WWE doesn’t allow their talent to work other promotions, WWE’s hands might be tied, come negotiations, considering Bryan and Brie Bella, are a huge part of Total Divas & Total Bellas on the E! Network.


Flash - 6-24-2017 at 04:02 AM

Interesting conundrum for both the WWE, and the Bryan's...

I mean let's say Bryan works a full time Indy schedule... doubtful with the coin he's likely banked, a new baby in the home, and his health issues... that can't be anywhere close to what he's making largely being off the road working only Tuesdays, selling merch' at a WWE level, plus whatever combined income he and his wife are pulling in via Total Divas/Total Bella's.

Don't get me wrong; money probably isn't everything to a guy like Bryan, and good for him if he puts his passion and love of entertaining in front of adding a couple more digits to his lifetime bank account... but still; riding that WWE gravy train minus the bumps, bruises, and life on the road for a few more years has to be hard to pass up.

I wonder if the compromise for the WWE might be NXT- you could use him as a pretty big anchor to your emerging brand; bring in some big name Indy guys to wrestle him there or send down a big name from time to time to spice things up, but while keeping him on a pretty reduced schedule while still in the family.


janerd75 - 6-24-2017 at 04:54 AM

That's a lot of worms to untangle should he decide to step back in the ring. He already had his big injury announcement/retirement moment, in his hometown no less. Those are usually definitive career enders by WWE standards, like when Edge popped his. Flair had one and then he went and Flair'd it up in TNA and accelerated his transformation into the Crypt Keeper/Randy The Ram.

I really think Bryan is much like Punk in that he's driven almost to madness by getting to whatever goals they have set in front of them despite the odds against them succeeding. I don't begrudge them doing so one bit and admire them for give'n 'er. However, with Punk it was his lingering injuries, age, and the long-term training necessary to even remotely get in the ballpark of being a big league MMA fighter that did him in because you simply just can't fight time outside of very rare extraordinary circumstances. And performance enhancing drugs, which he never took, so that was that.

With Bryan, and like Flash listed, he's got so many great things going for him (like being Cena's bro-in-law!!1!!!1) it's hard to back his play as a fan if there really is lingering and dangerous brain trauma just waiting to blossom into something terrible should he aggravate it with more bumps regardless of his newfound "safer" style. Now, I'm not a doctor so I certainly can't say officially that, "NO, D-Bry you shant do this!" But when the E's that definitive in saying no mas, they've entirely re-ordered their organization and backstage culture as to how they deal with long-term injuries, AND they've got a diving-headbutt addled double murder/suicide on their conscience, I at least don't ever see him lacing them up for the E ever agayn. Which is a bummer, but is just the nature of these things.

I get the love of the game and not being able to let go and it's certainly his life to do with as he pleases, except, y'know the responsibilities of fatherhood and being a husband n' all. But I don't see how he translates that into going to work in the minors for scrub wages and shit travel compared to his current gig in the E.

*siiiiiigh* Oh what a swerve of the century it would be if StepHHH/Vince and Bryan agreed to two scenarios following his initial diagnosis. Option 1) Retirement's permanent but you're essentially set for life with us, but let's keep this comeback stuff on the low with some maybes here and there to work the marks, for wrasslin' reasons. But it's permanent 'round here and if you go elsewhere after your gig here is up you get cast down with sodomites, we'll have a Daniel Bryan merch burning party in Stamford, and we'll dance around it like wild McMahons something something Shawshank reference.

Option 2) It was a worked shoot accepted as a play it as it lies, let's see what our doctors say in 2, 3, 4, or 5 years hence. If you're good to go and the new style works, then lace 'em up. But if it's no go then same rules apply from Option 1. At least that's the rumour I'm working on in my head moovies 'cause I miss him and Punk so damn bad.


First 9 - 6-24-2017 at 05:03 AM

At the end of the day he's just one guy. If WWE backs off and lets him wrestle, even with a Lesnar-like schedule, they've set precedent for ignoring their doctors for $$$. Which can lead to all matter of problems down the road.

If Bryan wants to risk it, then it's his choice but WWE's hands are tied. The absolute best they can do is somehow unofficially loan him off to promotions like Evolve so the money and attention that Bryan will carry goes to their feeder systems.


Paddlefoot - 6-24-2017 at 05:04 AM

Hopefully Bryan does the right thing for his wife and babby and stays retired. It'd be beyond selfish of him to return in some ring in Puerto Rico or Japan and get permanently crippled just because he's addicted to the thrill of it all. It was one thing to talk this way when he was single. Now that he's a dad he needs to move past it. Everyone empathizes with him and are saddened by him not being able to do what he loves. He's gotta be mature about it though. That little kid is a million times more important now than any arena with 20000 fans in it ever will be.

I'm guessing too that a lot of the IWC dirt sheet stories about him being "enraged" with WWE are just a crock for these dingy sites to create clickbait. If he was that mad at them for not letting him wrestle then he would just no-show because he's still contractually going to get paid anyway. Or he would have taken the nuclear option by now and sued them to get released from his contract altogether.


punkerhardcore - 6-24-2017 at 10:17 AM

He's a grown man, and doesn't come off as a stupid man. He knows all the risks, and in a lot of cases has already lived through them. It's his decision. If he wants to wrestle again, that's on him. If something awful happens while he does it, that's on him, too.


anglefan85 - 6-24-2017 at 04:00 PM

I get that, and usually I would say that its his call and its his body, and at the end of the day, his decision will be his own to make, regardless of how dumb I would think it was. However, seeing how he's also got a wife and a baby girl to also consider in this, it shouldn't be based solely on what he wants. Or at the very least, do so after he and Brie waive the right to sue for any concussion-related issues in the future. And even with that, the absolute monstrous amount of negative publicity that the WWE would still get if he was seriously injured or killed while wrestling outside of their jurisdiction. To me, I'd see that as adding more fuel to the fire for a lot of these frivolous lawsuits that have been popping up in regards to concussions suffered from past employees.

He has a lesion on his brain, he has a history of multiple concussions, and his final match had him convulsing on the ground. The guy also lost partial vision in one of his eyes by insisting on wrestling with a detached retina back on the indy circuit. He hasn't shown particularly good judgement when it comes to his injuries.Just because he could be fine in the short-term after resting up doesn't mean that it won't affect him in the long term. You don't just heal from brain damage. Guys like Foley, who has a similar history of injuries, needs to have his daughter around with him at all times since he usually forgets where he's even at due to all of the brain injuries, and he hasn't wrestled for years.

My friend Tracey suffers from seizures, and she's not even allowed to drive because of it. She can have a conversation with someone, then for a few minutes, not know where she is, or who she's talking to. She had one a few years back where she even forgot who her dad was. Its some pretty scary shit. And she just works as a cashier, nowhere nearly as physically-demanding a job.

Even if he tones down his style (which I doubt, seeing how on his return, he said he'd wrestle a lighter style and he was still doing suicide dives and diving headbutts), that doesn't mean that his opponents will tone down their style for him. And if they did, would that even really be worth watching the match for? Misawa died in the ring after taking a routine belly to back suplex. One bad bump, and he's leaving a wife without a husband and a daughter without a dad. Its just not worth it.


punkerhardcore - 6-24-2017 at 05:13 PM

And since Bryan himself is one who came out during that ESPN and talked about all the stuff he went through with his brain injuries, he obviously knows every risk. I guarantee his wife does as well. It's his body, and his life. If wrestling is what truly makes him happy, then I say good for him.

I mean, given the choice, would you rather live until 65 being super happy, or until 80 being depressed? Come on.

And I really hate that whole, "Well he has a family now" argument. As the dad of a 14 month old, believe me when I say that it's good to be selfish sometimes. If everything you do, and every decision you make, is only for your kid/family, all that's gonna do is put you on the fast track to fucking misery and resentment.

[Edited on 6-24-2017 by punkerhardcore]


Paddlefoot - 6-24-2017 at 11:39 PM

I see your point. If I wanted to boot someone in the ass over the DB debate though it would be one of these rabid "one more match! one more match!" types who genuinely think that Bryan actually "owes" us something, even if that means potentially being severely injured. It's like when Dana White said GSP "owes us one more fight" after his last one nearly left one of GSP's eyes hanging loose from the socket. Can't stand people like that. They're fucking anti-human. They make all of us who enjoy the product just for the fun look like a bunch of sadists who are just there for the car crashes.


Flash - 6-25-2017 at 05:42 PM

More fuel on the DB fire as he recently teased coming after newly minted ROH Champion Cody Rhodes; provided he can hold the title for 428 days- so it looks like Bryan's WWE contract is up on September 28, 2018.

The major WWE stumbling blocks are said to be twofold; the WWE's lead doctor Dr. Maroon won't clear Bryan, and with the WWE being involved in several lawsuits currently that are concussion based, it would undermine any defense the WWE could mount, or at least cast a negative light over them.


Cherokee Jack - 6-25-2017 at 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
And I really hate that whole, "Well he has a family now" argument. As the dad of a 14 month old, believe me when I say that it's good to be selfish sometimes. If everything you do, and every decision you make, is only for your kid/family, all that's gonna do is put you on the fast track to fucking misery and resentment.
As also the father of a 14 month old (pretty sure not the same one though), I can agree to some extent, but if the decision in question is one that I have reason to believe poses a significant risk of me dying, or becoming a paraplegic/vegetable, at that point I have to think of the other people in my life who would be greatly affected were that to happen.

Not saying he absolutely can't or shouldn't, but he needs to really understand that he isn't a 20-something-year-old single kid trying to make a name for himself anymore. As someone else alluded to, he came back after 8-9 months off in 2015 saying he was going to tone down his style for the sake of his health, and a month or two later at Wrestlemania he and Ziggler were headbutting the shit out of each other on top of a ladder. That was also his last PPV match. Coincidence? Maybe, but also maybe not.

If he has that itch that he simply can't help but scratch then fine, but he has to consider everything. Find multiple doctors that will clear him (i.e. get some sort of consensus, not just one single doctor), tone down his style for real (seriously, no more goddamn headbutts), and perhaps most importantly, be ready and willing to be honest with himself if it feels like anything's going wrong and to stop immediately if it gets to that point, even if it means cutting a match short.


salmonjunkie - 6-26-2017 at 03:30 PM

What if all these rumors thrown around are partially true, partially untrue, and completely designed to work us? What if WWE is secretly building for a GM vs. GM match at WrestleMania?

Yes! Yes! Yes! It's True, It's Damn True!


janerd75 - 6-26-2017 at 07:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by salmonjunkie
What if all these rumors thrown around are partially true, partially untrue, and completely designed to work us? What if WWE is secretly building for a GM vs. GM match at WrestleMania?

Yes! Yes! Yes! It's True, It's Damn True!




Please...please don't do this to me. If this doesn't come to fruition I know of someone in your area whose sole purpose in life is to find, to hunt...


Paddlefoot - 6-27-2017 at 02:24 AM

* Eva Marie is threatening to return to WWE

http://411mania.com/wrestling/eva-marie-says-shes-not-done-with-wwe/

* Lita was announced today to be joining Jim Ross on the commentary desk for the Mae Young Classic


Cherokee Jack - 6-27-2017 at 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Lita was announced today to be joining Jim Ross on the commentary desk for the Mae Young Classic
Meh. Maybe she's better now, but I remember her being stunningly mediocre on commentary way back in 2002-03 when they tried a bunch of wrestlers at the desk on Heat.

As I recall, Raven was the best (not really any surprise there), D'Lo Brown was pretty solid and had good chemistry with Coach, and Jacqueline was by far the worst. Lita was okay but nothing special.


PB-13 - 6-27-2017 at 03:26 AM

Supposed to care now because it would hurt Brie if he got back in the ring. Not supposed to care when poor Roman needs his cheers. Got it.

(Yeah, I might be in a mood.)

Glory Pro Wrestling in thirteen days.


DKBroiler - 6-27-2017 at 02:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Eva Marie is threatening to return to WWE

http://411mania.com/wrestling/eva-marie-says-shes-not-done-with-wwe/

* Lita was announced today to be joining Jim Ross on the commentary desk for the Mae Young Classic


Step 1: Eva returns
Step 2: Eva begins working as Roman's valet
Step 3: Roman enlists the Usos

And you now have the most over heel stable this decade. This stuff isn't that hard.


Count Zero - 6-27-2017 at 02:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cherokee Jack
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Lita was announced today to be joining Jim Ross on the commentary desk for the Mae Young Classic
Meh. Maybe she's better now, but I remember her being stunningly mediocre on commentary way back in 2002-03 when they tried a bunch of wrestlers at the desk on Heat.

As I recall, Raven was the best (not really any surprise there), D'Lo Brown was pretty solid and had good chemistry with Coach, and Jacqueline was by far the worst. Lita was okay but nothing special.
I love Lita. With that said, she shouldn't be working commentary for this tournament. She -does-, I suppose have an 'indies' background which might allow her to add something from that perspective, as well as from WWE Diva Lita's viewpoint.. but.. She never really has been (and still isn't) great to listen to.


punkerhardcore - 6-27-2017 at 04:47 PM

http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-statement-on-racial-slur-used-on-raw/

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UPDATE: According to Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer radio ( wrestlinginc.com), there was “chaos backstage” after LaMelo delivered the unscripted lines that included the racial slur. One source backstage said that key people, “notably Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon, were very unhappy backstage” after the slur was used.

ORIGINAL: On last night’s episode of WWE Raw, during the Miz TV segment with Lavar Ball, Lavar’s son LaMelo Ball dropped the phrase “”beat that n*ggas ass” during a confrontation between Lavar & The Miz. Houston Mitchell of The Los Angeles Times reached out to WWE, who released the following statement…

“The inappropriate language used by a guest during the ‘Miz TV’ segment was not scripted nor reflects WWE’s values “.


Did anyone else even notice this? I didn't... although I was only half paying attention at this fucking embarrassment of a segment anyhow.

I love that Vince and Dunn were losing their shit about it, though. That's what they get for booking these idiot clowns. Maybe they should spend less time worrying about getting a few mentions on Sportscenter (and the couple times they HAVE briefly mentioned it this morning, it was just to talk about how pathetic it was), and more time making sure Raw isn't a three hour chore to watch.


CamstunPWG187 - 6-27-2017 at 05:31 PM

Yet it's totally cool if Vince uses that very word in 2006 when backstage with Booker T.


janerd75 - 6-27-2017 at 06:10 PM

Lamelo Ball saying "Beat that nigga ass" on WWE while Lavar bounces off the ropes the best thing I have seen on WWE since Jeff Hardy at WM17 pic.twitter.com/g3Myt255q8

— ♿️IG♿️ALLER♿️RAND (@yeezvz) June 27, 2017


DKBroiler - 6-27-2017 at 06:49 PM

Hahahaha! Fuck the Lakers. Fuck the Balls. Fuck Big Baller Brand as a company, a crew, and a mother fucking label! Fuck Mob Deep! Fuck Bi... wait. That was "Hit Em Up", not RAM.

But still ... fuck the Lakers.


Paddlefoot - 6-27-2017 at 07:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
Yet it's totally cool if Vince uses that very word in 2006 when backstage with Booker T.


Vince and his favourite catamite, Bukukky Dunn, deserve every second of embarrassment they get out of this. And that's just for green-lighting that idiotic segment with those three dipshits in the first place, all so they could engage in some "celebrity" star-fucking just because they were in LA.


DKBroiler - 6-27-2017 at 07:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
Yet it's totally cool if Vince uses that very word in 2006 when backstage with Booker T.


Vince and his favourite catamite, Bukukky Dunn, deserve every second of embarrassment they get out of this. And that's just for green-lighting that idiotic segment with those three dipshits in the first place, all so they could engage in some "celebrity" star-fucking just because they were in LA.


I'm so glad the Sixers took Fultz and let this circus of a family go to the Lakers.


Paddlefoot - 6-27-2017 at 07:16 PM

I don't know fuck all about NBA or any of it's characters but that guy and his kids are going to be nothing but a PR nightmare for any of the teams dumb enough to get involved with them. Yeah, it was just a fifteen year old kid mouthing off in the heat of the moment, but it's still a prelude to a non-stop prima donna routine from B-Ball Dad for as long as he's involved in his boys careers.


DKBroiler - 6-27-2017 at 07:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I don't know fuck all about NBA or any of it's characters but that guy and his kids are going to be nothing but a PR nightmare for any of the teams dumb enough to get involved with them. Yeah, it was just a fifteen year old kid mouthing off in the heat of the moment, but it's still a prelude to a non-stop prima donna routine from B-Ball Dad for as long as he's involved in his boys careers.


Here's the thing ... Lonzo Ball went 2nd in the draft for a reason. The kid has otherworldly point guard talent and rightfully compares to Jason Kidd who was a no doubt Hall of Famer. He is legitimately one of the 5 best under 20 players on Earth. His dad though ... wow ... total carnival barker who acts like he is the reason his kid went 2nd.

But ... the Lakers knew what they were getting into and it's probably a safer bet that Lonzo will be EVERYWHERE over the next 15 years as a mega star than becoming a laughable footnote. Get used to this.

The 15 year old could likely be an even better player too.


Paddlefoot - 6-27-2017 at 08:03 PM

I'm getting old. I have no patience left for anyone who does a carny act as soon as a camera gets pointed at them. Hence putting the volume on mute for the entirety of that segment last night.


janerd75 - 6-27-2017 at 09:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I don't know fuck all about NBA or any of it's characters but that guy and his kids are going to be nothing but a PR nightmare for any of the teams dumb enough to get involved with them. Yeah, it was just a fifteen year old kid mouthing off in the heat of the moment, but it's still a prelude to a non-stop prima donna routine from B-Ball Dad for as long as he's involved in his boys careers.


Here's the thing ... Lonzo Ball went 2nd in the draft for a reason. WHAT? The kid has otherworldly point guard talent and rightfully compares to Jason Kidd who was a no doubt Hall of Famer. WHAT? He is legitimately one of the 5 best under 20 players on Earth. WHAT? His dad though ... wow ... total carnival barker who acts like he is the reason his kid went 2nd. WHAT?

But ... the Lakers knew what they were getting into and it's probably a safer bet that Lonzo will be EVERYWHERE over the next 15 years as a mega star than becoming a laughable footnote. Get used to this. WHAT?





GodEatGod - 6-27-2017 at 10:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I'm getting old. I have no patience left for anyone who does a carny act as soon as a camera gets pointed at them.


You know you're watching professional wrestling, right? I mean...that's ALL this is.


royberto - 6-27-2017 at 10:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
Yet it's totally cool if Vince uses that very word in 2006 when backstage with Booker T.
Yeah, because values cannot ever change in 11 years, right?

[Edited on 6-27-2017 by royberto]


First 9 - 6-27-2017 at 11:05 PM

In a suprising bit of positive momentum for TNA, Orlando's mayor is going to be pop buy to be a special ring announcer as he honors them for being an Orlando mainstay for 15 years.


Paddlefoot - 6-28-2017 at 12:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I'm getting old. I have no patience left for anyone who does a carny act as soon as a camera gets pointed at them.


You know you're watching professional wrestling, right? I mean...that's ALL this is.


It wasn't an objection to the relative stupidity of the segment. It was more a statement of boredom with the wacky outsiders that were invited to participate. Normally Miz segments are gold. At least until recently anyway. Last night's one was so terrible, thanks entirely to the Balls (snicker!) it made the thing with da bear and da granfadda claack from the other week look like it had been put together by Francis Ford Coppolla.


GodEatGod - 6-28-2017 at 01:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I'm getting old. I have no patience left for anyone who does a carny act as soon as a camera gets pointed at them.


You know you're watching professional wrestling, right? I mean...that's ALL this is.


It wasn't an objection to the relative stupidity of the segment. It was more a statement of boredom with the wacky outsiders that were invited to participate. Normally Miz segments are gold. At least until recently anyway. Last night's one was so terrible, thanks entirely to the Balls (snicker!) it made the thing with da bear and da granfadda claack from the other week look like it had been put together by Francis Ford Coppolla.


I'm certainly not defending the segment. I'll admit I just fast-forwarded through a lot of it because I was familiar enough with the Balls to kind of know the kind of trainwreck that was coming. I was hoping for more of Miz's entourage and some funny segments with that and found this whole thing just annoying. Honestly, other than the Joe/Lesnar segments and BRAUUUUUUN murderfying Roman Reigns in ten seconds flat, it was a pretty bad show.


Flash - 6-29-2017 at 12:38 AM

*In some.... uh... news... TNA has acquired GFW. I mean is it still news if that thing was really only a thing that's mostly on paper, and is "acquired" by a guy who mostly runs a largely down on its luck promotion? I think outside of a LOT of Jarrett hype GFW did what... present a New Japan show, run a couple house shows, "invade" TNA with mostly TNA guys, and film a bunch of episodes a few years ago that still haven't seen the light of day.

With this "news" comes the announcement that Jarrett will join the Anthem board of managers, and take over Impact as their chief creative officer..... sooooo nothing really changes?

*In some more interesting news about just how lucrative Wrestlemania pay days are to talent Jerry Lawler recently let slip on his podcast what his payday was for his match against Cole a few wrestlemanias back; for what amounted to few minutes worth of work King pulled in a cool $130k.

That number would seem to make sense (in as much as these numbers do) as I do recall reading something a few years ago that Orton pulled in like $800k for his main evening WM 25, and Jericho made mention of his match against HHH at WM 18 being something that HHH netted six figures for. I also seem to remember that even if guys don't make it onto the show they get a $5k "appearance bonus" for showing up for the weekends festivities. I'm assuming that since Vince has always paid based on who he thinks the fans want to see the likes of Cena probably pull in north of a million for a nights work. So if your top of the card guys can make upwards of a million, and an announcer in a heavily promoted mid-card match can pull in $130k- then the lower card guys are probably still making some decent coin if they make the show.... Which REALLY has to piss a guy off when his match gets cut.


CamstunPWG187 - 6-29-2017 at 02:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Hahahaha! Fuck the Lakers. Fuck the Balls. Fuck Big Baller Brand as a company, a crew, and a mother fucking label! Fuck Mob Deep! Fuck Bi... wait. That was "Hit Em Up", not RAM.

But still ... fuck the Lakers.



Paddlefoot - 6-29-2017 at 02:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by FlashSo if your top of the card guys can make upwards of a million, and an announcer in a heavily promoted mid-card match can pull in $130k- then the lower card guys are probably still making some decent coin if they make the show.... Which REALLY has to piss a guy off when his match gets cut.


Massively heart-breaking too according to Brodus Clay when it happens:

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0627/627491/former-wwe-star-says-he-never-got-over-wrestlemania-match/

quote:
Tyrus, who used to work for WWE as Brodus Clay, told Wrestle:List in a new interview that he never recovered from his match at WrestleMania 29 in 2013 getting removed from the card the day of the show.

"Probably the biggest thing for me was my Wrestlemania match getting cut; I don't think I ever really mentally recovered from that," said Tyrus. "So that for me was a very draining and disappointing situation."

Tyrus was scheduled to team with Tensai, Namoi and Cameron against Cody Rhodes, Damien Sandow and the Bella Twins at Wrestlemania 29. The eight-person intergender tag team match was cut due to time constraints, resulting in no female having a match of any kind of the card.

"Although I have had some great moment in the WWE and Wrestlemania, I never had my moment in the ring, so for me mentally it was a lot," said Tyrus. "To work so hard and finally get your match – if you do great in that match usually it springboards you up, and not to get that opportunity was tough for me. After that to say I had an attitude problem is an understatement, which is on me, I didn't handle it well."


First 9 - 6-29-2017 at 03:31 AM

Must really sting when you get bumped off and then see all the useless fluff that makes into the show. I remember Lance Storm saying he was very bitter with management when his tag title match got bumped off at WM19 but a stupid Millet Lite girls act got on the show.


Flash - 6-29-2017 at 06:07 AM

Yeah, that's gotta be pretty heart breaking when you look at something like WM 29- a show that should have been timed down to almost the minute weeks to months in advance- had about 115 minutes of bell to bell wrestling action. That's less than 2 hours of wrestling in a 4 hour show. 8 matches made the cut; so there's a lot of time that gets eaten up with your entrances, recap videos, and post-match preening. You've also got your HOF stuff, and ad breaks but still... I seem to remember the last few WM had a LOT of just nonsense filler that shouldn't be on the show like Be a Star ads, and other WWE patting itself on the back moments that weren't needed... ditto for P-diddy or whatever musical act no one asked for.. Not saying it isn't a tight show, but time management and finding ways to budget that time is not one of the WWE's strong suits the last few years.


Slade - 6-29-2017 at 11:36 AM

WWE doesn't need to manage its time the same way as it did in the past. Instead of cutting the matches, everyone gets on and the show runs extremely long because most viewers aren't watching it on pay-per-view anymore. Using the WWE network, they can stay on air as long they feel like it and not worry about the PPV providers cutting the feed and pissing off the entire fan base. I know a lot of people have complained about the length of the last two Wrestlemanias, but running long is better for the talent. If Brodus Clay had a match booked for Wrestlemania today, it would still happen. At worst, it would get relegated to the pre-show. However, by still getting to perform, he'd still get on the show and earn a bonus. Things like the André The Giant Memorial Battle Royal and stretching the event out to 7-hours benefit the talent.


Flash - 6-29-2017 at 02:35 PM

I think there's a balance to be had; yeah it's nice for the talent to get great paycheque out of the deal and live their dreams; but a well paced show is less of a chore to watch, which in turn means people likely enjoy it more... people enjoy it more they keep watching; they keep watching and talent has a job.

Yeah the WWE can run as long as they want now; and I do enjoy the event feel that WM has; but there is a point in time where people do start to check out... four hours is a pretty long time... just because the WWE can do something, doesn't mean they should.


Slade - 6-29-2017 at 02:44 PM

You can also check out when you're too tired and check back into the event the next door or whenever is most convenient for you. That's the beauty of modern technology. With the WWE Network, you can watch it whenever you feel like it. It's not like you have to watch it all in one sitting or else miss out on stuff, unless you've popped a video tape in the VCR and hit record. Those days are over.


SaiyaJinDX - 6-29-2017 at 05:59 PM

Totally off-topic but didn't know where to put this.

Was just listening to last week's Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard about The Rise of John Cena and they mentioned how the "Five Knuckle Shuffle" is a slang term for masturbation.

How did I never know this?? Is this common knowledge among the fans? I've never heard it before. But since WWE management obviously does know all this, how did that not get changed along with the F-U? I can't believe they've got all these kids saying it all these years. Too funny.


DKBroiler - 6-29-2017 at 08:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SaiyaJinDX
Totally off-topic but didn't know where to put this.

Was just listening to last week's Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard about The Rise of John Cena and they mentioned how the "Five Knuckle Shuffle" is a slang term for masturbation.

How did I never know this?? Is this common knowledge among the fans? I've never heard it before. But since WWE management obviously does know all this, how did that not get changed along with the F-U? I can't believe they've got all these kids saying it all these years. Too funny.


I knew.


janerd75 - 6-29-2017 at 08:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SaiyaJinDX
Totally off-topic but didn't know where to put this.

Was just listening to last week's Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard about The Rise of John Cena and they mentioned how the "Five Knuckle Shuffle" is a slang term for masturbation.

How did I never know this?? Is this common knowledge among the fans? I've never heard it before. But since WWE management obviously does know all this, how did that not get changed along with the F-U? I can't believe they've got all these kids saying it all these years. Too funny.


It means what now?!?! I am shocked to hear this! Shocked, I tell you!

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Henceforth and forever after let it be known amOOngst all men on this day, The Twenty-Ninth of June in the Year of Our Lord Twenty and Seventeen, SaiyaJinDX did send forth unto this site the Most Innocent Post Ever.


Flash - 6-29-2017 at 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Slade
You can also check out when you're too tired and check back into the event the next door or whenever is most convenient for you. That's the beauty of modern technology. With the WWE Network, you can watch it whenever you feel like it. It's not like you have to watch it all in one sitting or else miss out on stuff, unless you've popped a video tape in the VCR and hit record. Those days are over.


It's like I said though; just because the WWE can do something doesn't necessarily mean they should... I mean could you imagine if the Superbowl or the Oscars (or whatever big event designed to leave people talking the next day you want to pick) was presented as something you could watch half of, and then when you start to find your attention waning you can stop it and finish it off tomorrow. Yeah you can do it, but it doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Now I'm not saying that with the network there isn't ways to capitalize on that by creating all day content for those that want it- but I think booking a good show means respecting your audiences attention span and endurance- four-four and half hours is plenty to do that, even while keeping a certain amount of piss break filler in there- but for the WWE to not have a better idea of how long their biggest, and supposedly most planned out show of the year is going to run, to say nothing of some of the filler they do throw out there is just poor planning on their part.

Technology is great, and does change how we do things- but the message the company should be sending is we want to give you something you don't want to stop watching, not hey, here's something you can always come back to later.


Paddlefoot - 6-29-2017 at 09:46 PM

True to a large extent. In reality though the disrespect that Vince and his catamite, Bukukky, have for the TV viewing audience long preceded the arrival of the Network. Go back into the old OO threads for RAW from ten years or so years ago. Different posters but essentially the same complaints, that WWE has no problem feeding us pure crap on RAW because the Chairman thinks these idiot things are "entertaining". That is and always be the gist of the problem. Vince in his heart has no respect for wrestling and therefore will fill up his shows with garbage because he genuinely thinks that's what will attract the Sacred Casual Viewers who he's convinced will be more entertained by a shit-segment with the Ball family than they would be by a ten-minute slobberknocker between Ambrose and Miz.

What it is now is what it is. As per the nearly-identical comments on this forum from years ago, the essential problem with WWE is Vince himself and nothing is getting fixed until he goes away for good.


G. Jonah Jameson - 6-30-2017 at 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by SaiyaJinDX
Totally off-topic but didn't know where to put this.

Was just listening to last week's Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard about The Rise of John Cena and they mentioned how the "Five Knuckle Shuffle" is a slang term for masturbation.

How did I never know this?? Is this common knowledge among the fans? I've never heard it before. But since WWE management obviously does know all this, how did that not get changed along with the F-U? I can't believe they've got all these kids saying it all these years. Too funny.


"F-U" is a lot less subtle than "Five Knuckle Shuffle." And clearly, the latter is less well known, as evidenced by the fact that you and a lot of other adults didn't know it meant what it meant.

Anyway, "piledriver" is the name of a sex position, so maybe it's best not to go too far down the rabbit hole on this one.

Shit. That last sentence is gif-bait, isn't it.


CCharger - 6-30-2017 at 03:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by G. Jonah Jameson

Anyway, "piledriver" is the name of a sex position, so maybe it's best not to go too far down the rabbit hole on this one.


Little known fact: "chokeslam" is a slang term for autoerotic asphyxiation. Coined by David Carradine no less.

In some rumor crap"

* Plans are in flux regarding the RAW brand. Original plans had Lesnar running roughshod through the company until meeting Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania. WWE officials now are expediting Roman's title push. It is expected that the Lesnar/Reigns match will take place at SummerSlam with Reigns winning. The change is precipitated by Vince wanting the WWE title on TV more often to boost ratings. Reigns is now expected to face John Cena at Wrestlemania is a "passing of the torch" match. Meanwhile, Samoa Joe is expected to remain a main eventer despite losing to Lesnar at GBO.

* There are whispers that WWE is considering loosening the restriction on the brand split. While they won't get away from it completely, expect to see more top stars cross over.


Paddlefoot - 6-30-2017 at 07:23 PM

* Primo and Epico Colon requested to be released from their WWE contracts today

* former TNA talent Gunner made his debut at a NXT live event this week

* Ryback said a bunch of things on his podcast this week, most of which made listeners go "oh, you!"

* a mass delete of avatars and other photos occurred today, all because Photobucket now apparently expects us to pay for their service; ha!

[Edited on 6/30/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Matte - 6-30-2017 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* a mass delete of avatars and other photos occurred today, all because Photobucket now apparently expects us to pay for their service; ha!

Said this in the showdown thread where it was mentioned: Photobucket has been getting steadily shittier over the years. I'm honestly surprised they're still around and haven't at least been merged with one of the good image hosting places.

My suggestion: get off of Photobucket. If you find a picture you like and see that it's hosted at Photobucket, save it and upload it to Imgur. Photobucket is a terrible, terrible site.


CM Crunk - 6-30-2017 at 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Matte
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* a mass delete of avatars and other photos occurred today, all because Photobucket now apparently expects us to pay for their service; ha!

Said this in the showdown thread where it was mentioned: Photobucket has been getting steadily shittier over the years. I'm honestly surprised they're still around and haven't at least been merged with one of the good image hosting places.

My suggestion: get off of Photobucket. If you find a picture you like and see that it's hosted at Photobucket, save it and upload it to Imgur. Photobucket is a terrible, terrible site.


Silly ol' Photobucket. Although it's just striking me that I have a shit load of (likely cringe inducing) nostalgia from the MySpace days that proved I was once a pretty cool dude stored on a dormant account there that I don't know if I'll be able to access. Goddamnit.


DKBroiler - 6-30-2017 at 09:36 PM

So how the F do I make a GIF avatar?

Wait ... this is rumors.

Rumor: Dirt sheets reporting DK might not know how to make a GIF avatar. Discuss.


janerd75 - 6-30-2017 at 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by DKBroiler
So how the F do I make a GIF avatar?

Wait ... this is rumors.

Rumor: Dirt sheets reporting DK might not know how to make a GIF avatar. Discuss.




You get a big ol' smack upside the head for being here so long and still not know how to av properly. You're welcome ya big dummy!


DKBroiler - 7-1-2017 at 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
So how the F do I make a GIF avatar?

Wait ... this is rumors.

Rumor: Dirt sheets reporting DK might not know how to make a GIF avatar. Discuss.




You get a big ol' smack upside the head for being here so long and still not know how to av properly. You're welcome ya big dummy!


Thanks man! I'll wait till I'm properly shit faced to pick one.


DKBroiler - 7-1-2017 at 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
So how the F do I make a GIF avatar?

Wait ... this is rumors.

Rumor: Dirt sheets reporting DK might not know how to make a GIF avatar. Discuss.




You get a big ol' smack upside the head for being here so long and still not know how to av properly. You're welcome ya big dummy!


Thanks man! I'll wait till I'm properly shit faced to pick one.


God damn it Janerd! That is not the link I was looking for.

[Edited on 7-1-2017 by DKBroiler]

Edit: Now that I understand to copy the link ... thanks Jan!

[Edited on 7-1-2017 by DKBroiler]


DKBroiler - 7-1-2017 at 12:13 AM

I'm so (not) high right now ...

[Edited on 7-1-2017 by DKBroiler]


Flash - 7-2-2017 at 03:03 AM

Some "news"...

*It's said that HHH was actually one of the more driving forces behind getting Mauro back into the WWE fold.

*In a move that continues to show that Vince has more free time to come up with frivolous crap to nitpick than to actually deal with real problems his shows have, the WWE has now banned another word: Briefcase is now persona non-grata as it relates to the MITB contract- Announcers are to now exclusively refer to it as a contract and not the briefcase. In other new the briefcase suspended above the ring will now be replaced with a Hello Kitty backpack.

*It's said that the WWE is pushing the Mae Young name so much lately as there is a possible biographical movie in the works about her. No word yet on who will play her and Mark Henry's love child Handy yet.

*Tyson Kidd has moved into a new role with the WWE now that his in ring career is done; that of backstage producer. In his new role he will help talent plan out, and choreograph their matches. Kidd will continue to be featured with his wife in Total Diva's.

*This week was a bit of a landmark for women's wrestling as all three WWE shows were main evented by a women's match... see internet, the WWE does care. In other news with about 20 minutes left in each of the WWE's shows this week Vince was distracted by something shiny... possibly the sweat gleaming from Roman Reigns chest.

*After seemingly breaking up earlier this week it would appear that ADR and Paige are back together as they were recently spotted out and about together. It's said that they definitely did break up earlier in the week, but it turns out there was still some coke left over and all was well.

*Orton is expected to miss the odd SD and house shows coming up as he'll be in Thailand... No, it won't be to fulfill a secret lust for Thai ladyboys, but instead to film some scenes in a new Seth Green movie.


GodEatGod - 7-2-2017 at 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Flash
*Orton is expected to miss the odd SD and house shows coming up as he'll be in Thailand... No, it won't ONLY be to fulfill a secret lust for Thai ladyboys, but ALSO to film some scenes in a new Seth Green movie.


FTFY


Count Zero - 7-2-2017 at 04:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Some "news"...

*In a move that continues to show that Vince has more free time to come up with frivolous crap to nitpick than to actually deal with real problems his shows have, the WWE has now banned another word: Briefcase is now persona non-grata as it relates to the MITB contract- Announcers are to now exclusively refer to it as a contract and not the briefcase. In other new the briefcase suspended above the ring will now be replaced with a Hello Kitty backpack.

*It's said that the WWE is pushing the Mae Young name so much lately as there is a possible biographical movie in the works about her. No word yet on who will play her and Mark Henry's love child Handy yet.

*Tyson Kidd has moved into a new role with the WWE now that his in ring career is done; that of backstage producer. In his new role he will help talent plan out, and choreograph their matches. Kidd will continue to be featured with his wife in Total Diva's.

*This week was a bit of a landmark for women's wrestling as all three WWE shows were main evented by a women's match... see internet, the WWE does care. In other news with about 20 minutes left in each of the WWE's shows this week Vince was distracted by something shiny... possibly the sweat gleaming from Roman Reigns chest.

*After seemingly breaking up earlier this week it would appear that ADR and Paige are back together as they were recently spotted out and about together. It's said that they definitely did break up earlier in the week, but it turns out there was still some coke left over and all was well.

*Orton is expected to miss the odd SD and house shows coming up as he'll be in Thailand... No, it won't be to fulfill a secret lust for Thai ladyboys, but instead to film some scenes in a new Seth Green movie.
Okay, most of these quoted bits made me gigglesnort. All of them, in fact, except the Tyson Kidd one.

I'm =never= going to watch TotalACRONYMDivas, because it's not actually anything compelling, but Tyson As Backstage Producer would maybe be some interesting looks behind the Gorilla curtain. But yeah, not gonna watch, so woooo! *does Flair strut, then does Flair flop!* I'm already fired! WOO!


Flash - 7-2-2017 at 05:16 AM

Tyson getting a "producer" (or what used to be called an agent) position feels a bit like everyone making the best of a bad situation all around...

On one hand the WWE employs the guys wife; and makes use of both of them on their total divas show. Kidd got hurt in their ring, with a guy they seem to be serious about pushing as a top guy- on the flip side Kidd probably got an insurance settlement, and his wife working for the WWE and those Total Diva cheques probably all add up to more than a lawsuit would be worth... The WWE for their part probably wouldn't want to get into another fight with the Hart's.

Giving Kidd another job is probably both the cheapest, and best outcome for all parties... the guy had some skills in the ring, and they probably don't pay road agents a lot. Kidd for his part gets some extra coin, and at 36 gets to continue his wrestling career... seeing as how he's been wrestling since he was 15 I don't know if he had any other big options available to him in the short run (I couldn't find if he went to school for anything or not) that likely pay as much.

Not quite the same as a Droz situation, but at least as per a 2014 interview with Droz the WWE stills seems to be helping him out even after he could no longer continue to work for WWE.com- so there is some history there of them trying to find other jobs for some talent.


Paddlefoot - 7-2-2017 at 09:27 PM

* Sunny didn't have the best week. Hospitalized twice, searching for "Oleg", being offered money to fuck, etc., and all of the meltdown displayed on social media for our amusement!

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0702/627676/wwe-hall-of-famer-tammy-sytch-reportedly-hospitalized-twice-in/

quote:
"SO just now, on my way to the gym, I stopped for a sandwich because I'm starving. Some guy who recognized me took it upon himself to sit down at my table, start talking to me, and long story short, offered me money for sex. WHEN WILL YOU ASSHOLES REALIZE IM NOT A f--kING ESCORT OR HOOKER!! f--k you all."


What a time to be alive, with d-list "celebs" pouring out every thought and emotion on their social media accounts for our consumption! Never figured out why porners get offended by being offered money for a fuck by outsiders, considering that's what they do for a living.

* Reby Sky had another Twitter meltdown, calling Lita a "hoe" and ripping on fans for sending her pics of Matt's ex

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0702/627683/reby-hardy-gets-personal-with-lita/

[Edited on 7/2/2017 by Paddlefoot]


GodEatGod - 7-2-2017 at 11:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Never figured out why porners get offended by being offered money for a fuck by outsiders, considering that's what they do for a living.

[Edited on 7/2/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Try going up to a restaurant chef on his off-time and ask him how much to make you a sandwich, see how it goes. Or ask a mechanic to come by and fix your car on the weekend at your house.

Except in this case, it's fat-faced greasy porkchop neckbeards who want to actually touch you while you work.


CamstunPWG187 - 7-3-2017 at 01:47 PM

Yeah, except....doesn't she offer that kind of stuff on her social media? I mean, that's practically public domain.


royberto - 7-3-2017 at 07:51 PM

*It was reported last night that Paige was backstage at Slammiversary to support Alberto El Patron. Then reports came out that she was sitting front row to watch the show’s main event, wearing a Dos Caras mask.

Paige, girl, I love you but wtf are you doing? You know damn well that mask wasn't gonna do shit🙄 begging to get fired😭 pic.twitter.com/jBf6XoDO4b

— jds (@j_dxltxn) July 3, 2017



@RealPaigeWWE i saw you when sitting a few rows back the pale skin gave it away pic.twitter.com/XIzkO3qswe

— Mark Anthony Lyon (@UrbanBuckeyefan) July 3, 2017



Paige must intentionally be trying to get fired because she can't be that fucking stupid to think nobody would notice. Or maybe she can.

[Edited on 7-3-2017 by royberto]


Chris Is Good517 - 7-3-2017 at 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Not quite the same as a Droz situation, but at least as per a 2014 interview with Droz the WWE stills seems to be helping him out even after he could no longer continue to work for WWE.com- so there is some history there of them trying to find other jobs for some talent.


Out of all the shit we can justifiably drag WWE for, they've got a pretty great overall track record of taking care of people who get injured on their watch, particularly recently. Eddie passed and they immediately gave Vickie a long-term job. Corey Graves got taken out due to concussions and they turned him into a color commentator. Daniel Bryan is in an extremely prominent role as an on-air character. And now Kidd is getting transitioned into a producer role. I suppose we could be cynical and question the pure altruism of this (especially the latter two examples, given that their wives are fixtures on Total Divas), but I think the amount of time they spent making sure Droz was still getting some kind of income, as well as Vince's "I will pay for any former employee's rehab at any time" policy, makes me think that there really is some semblance of taking care of their own at play.

quote:
Royberto
Paige must intentionally be trying to get fired because she can't be that fucking stupid to think nobody would notice. Or maybe she can.



I'm sure it's written into performers' contracts that they can't appear on a competitor's televised product even as a member of the audience, but I'm leaning toward being on Paige's side on this one. Like it or not, that's her dude. If she wants to watch the show from ringside, I think they took every realistic measure available to let her do so without compromising her WWE contract. If this were to somehow go to court and Paige's defense was "it wasn't me", I wonder how that would go down.

Anyway, I think it's making a big something out of pretty much nothing. If she's not appearing AS "WWE's Paige" I really don't think taking in a show is that bad of a thing.


royberto - 7-3-2017 at 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Not quite the same as a Droz situation, but at least as per a 2014 interview with Droz the WWE stills seems to be helping him out even after he could no longer continue to work for WWE.com- so there is some history there of them trying to find other jobs for some talent.


Out of all the shit we can justifiably drag WWE for, they've got a pretty great overall track record of taking care of people who get injured on their watch, particularly recently. Eddie passed and they immediately gave Vickie a long-term job. Corey Graves got taken out due to concussions and they turned him into a color commentator. Daniel Bryan is in an extremely prominent role as an on-air character. And now Kidd is getting transitioned into a producer role. I suppose we could be cynical and question the pure altruism of this (especially the latter two examples, given that their wives are fixtures on Total Divas), but I think the amount of time they spent making sure Droz was still getting some kind of income, as well as Vince's "I will pay for any former employee's rehab at any time" policy, makes me think that there really is some semblance of taking care of their own at play.

quote:
Royberto
Paige must intentionally be trying to get fired because she can't be that fucking stupid to think nobody would notice. Or maybe she can.



I'm sure it's written into performers' contracts that they can't appear on a competitor's televised product even as a member of the audience, but I'm leaning toward being on Paige's side on this one. Like it or not, that's her dude. If she wants to watch the show from ringside, I think they took every realistic measure available to let her do so without compromising her WWE contract. If this were to somehow go to court and Paige's defense was "it wasn't me", I wonder how that would go down.

Anyway, I think it's making a big something out of pretty much nothing. If she's not appearing AS "WWE's Paige" I really don't think taking in a show is that bad of a thing.
Rory of the Highlanders got fired for being at a taping. Also, the second tweet I posted, which has now been deleted, shows Paige using her camera phone with a close up of a label attached to the phone that clearly has her name on it, not to mention a clear view of a tatoo on her right forearm that was highlighted on Total Divas.

[Edited on 7-3-2017 by royberto]


Chris Is Good517 - 7-3-2017 at 09:06 PM

Yeah, but Rory wasn't wearing a mask. Also, IIRC Rory was watching the show from like the upper deck of the arena or something and never would have been seen if TNA in all their brilliance hadn't decided to cut to him in the crowd and draw attention to it. I think the consensus at the time was that TNA totally fucked him.

I'm not saying Paige has any real plausible deniability from a common sense standpoint, I just think it starts getting shaky when we drag lawyers into it and things come down to precise wording.


royberto - 7-3-2017 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Yeah, but Rory wasn't wearing a mask. Also, IIRC Rory was watching the show from like the upper deck of the arena or something and never would have been seen if TNA in all their brilliance hadn't decided to cut to him in the crowd and draw attention to it. I think the consensus at the time was that TNA totally fucked him.

I'm not saying Paige has any real plausible deniability from a common sense standpoint, I just think it starts getting shaky when we drag lawyers into it and things come down to precise wording.
By wearing the mask, she is clearly demonstrating she is trying to circumvent her contract, which is grounds for termination.


Gobshite - 7-3-2017 at 09:31 PM

Yeah. Because that's what WWE will do. THIS ONE TIME they're going to say "okay, you've been a little petty, but you seem to want out, so here's your release".

They won't possibly decide that dropping $100k on a nice big "FUCK YOU" isn't the better option, and use any options available to them to extend her contract, and either make her return, or just prevent her from working anywhere else. I mean they didn't mess with Rey and Punk when they clearly waned out, what can possibly go wrong by constantly poking them?


Paddlefoot - 7-3-2017 at 09:42 PM

After the messy (hee!) spectacle of the cum-vids they'll probably have Punk back in a WWE ring before Paige ever returns. They can take the public fighting with Punk with no problem and he sells too much merch and puts too many asses in seats for them to stay forever pissed off at him. Paige though? Take her being dropped quietly from Total Divas as the first shoe dropping. There's at least a half-dozen women on the roster as good or better than her now, with more in NXT to be called up someday, and none of them are anywhere near the massive headache to deal with that Paige has turned out to be. Goodbye, princess, it was nice to know you for a while. And have fun with TNA's non-existent injury assistance (e.g. Daffney) when you eventually get hurt in their ring and find out the hard way that they don't give a shit about you at all.

[Edited on 7/3/2017 by Paddlefoot]


DevilSoprano - 7-3-2017 at 09:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
By wearing the mask, she is clearly demonstrating she is trying to circumvent her contract, which is grounds for termination.


No. If she's trying to circumvent her contract, why wear the mask? I'm not saying she doesn't want out or that WWE doesn't want her gone, but the amount of shit she's gotten for having a boyfriend and fucking on camera doesn't correlate to the non-amount of shit Woods has gotten for having a girlfriend and fucking on camera.

And if it's just her giving her "honest" opinion of how she believes she has been treated or that WWE has somehow wronged her, how is that different than Daniel Bryan or CM Punk, prior to getting let go, doing the same thing countless times and we as fans back them up.

There's such a double standard that exists when it comes to Paige.


royberto - 7-3-2017 at 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by DevilSoprano
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
By wearing the mask, she is clearly demonstrating she is trying to circumvent her contract, which is grounds for termination.


No. If she's trying to circumvent her contract, why wear the mask? I'm not saying she doesn't want out or that WWE doesn't want her gone, but the amount of shit she's gotten for having a boyfriend and fucking on camera doesn't correlate to the non-amount of shit Woods has gotten for having a girlfriend and fucking on camera.

And if it's just her giving her "honest" opinion of how she believes she has been treated or that WWE has somehow wronged her, how is that different than Daniel Bryan or CM Punk, prior to getting let go, doing the same thing countless times and we as fans back them up.

There's such a double standard that exists when it comes to Paige.
I'm not going to argue about the shit she has taken for for fucking on camera. Don't really care about that. The issue on Alberto, on the other hand, is not that he is her boyfriend, not that she is expressing anti-WWE opinions. but her erratic and reckless behavior due to him. People are fans of hers and are worried that she is a train wreck spiraling out of control.

All that said, she wore the mask because she knew she would be violating her contract if she didn't. Hence, the circumvention.

By the way, Neither Bryan nor Punk have pulled anywhere near the shit Paige has pulled. Punk acted professional on his way out and Daniel Bryan is sure as hell acting professional too.

[Edited on 7-3-2017 by royberto]


Flash - 7-3-2017 at 11:08 PM

Curious if anyone watched Slammiversary and if TNA/GFW called any attention to her being there- even coyly? I mean they had to know she was there mask or not, and if they didn't I think the most likely reason they didn't is because ADR told them not to.


DevilSoprano - 7-3-2017 at 11:40 PM

Punk walked out on his contract with months left on it, but sure...professional. Bryan leaks on an almost weekly basis that WWE is keeping him out of the ring when he's ready to go, but sure, professional.

And this goes back to the point that Paige is treated differently. What exactly trainwreckian behavior has she pulled? Suspended for PEDs; like Randy Orton who has won about 20 titles since? A bad relationship; like Seth Rollins, who became the top heel in the company afterwards, had with someone who was presumably a nazi sympathizer and leaked a sex tape? Some combination of behavior, like basically every other wrestler ever?


Slade - 7-4-2017 at 02:02 AM

I wonder if TNA can get hammered in a lawsuit if she ended up on the broadcast. It would be great if that was the kind of leverage WWE could get to free Broken Matt and Brother Nero. If I were Vince, I'd gladly trade the rights to La Novia del Hijo de Dos Caras for their rights.

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
The issue on Alberto, on the other hand, is not that he is her boyfriend, not that she is expressing anti-WWE opinions. but her erratic and reckless behavior due to him. People are fans of hers and are worried that she is a train wreck spiraling out of control.


Why is Alberto to blame for Paige's "erratic and reckless behavior"? If her life is "spiraling out of control," it seems to me that it began to spiral out of control well before she hooked up with him. I mean, I'm pretty sure she was fucking all her co-workers on camera before he and she were a thing. What has she done since then that's been more reckless?


williamssl - 7-4-2017 at 05:23 PM

Rumorrzzzzzzz have WWE doing everything from contemplating to already pulling the trigger on accelerating Reigns/Lesnar from WM to Summer Slam, fueled by recent ratings and the belief that not having the main championship on tv regularly is a if not the key driver. I haven't seen as speculation to the reasoning that also having the title picture clear for the next many months is also contributing to that (i.e. no one is taking the title off Lesnar until he faces Reigns so any title feud is simply filler with outcome already pre-determined).

Obviously if they went down this path it would mean Strowman/Lesnar at Summer Slam wasn't happening (which had long been the rumored 'plan'

It'll be interesting to see where they go with this on Sunday....


Count Zero - 7-4-2017 at 06:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
The issue on Alberto, on the other hand, is not that he is her boyfriend, not that she is expressing anti-WWE opinions. but her erratic and reckless behavior due to him. People are fans of hers and are worried that she is a train wreck spiraling out of control.


Why is Alberto to blame for Paige's "erratic and reckless behavior"? If her life is "spiraling out of control," it seems to me that it began to spiral out of control well before she hooked up with him. I mean, I'm pretty sure she was fucking all her co-workers on camera before he and she were a thing. What has she done since then that's been more reckless?
You're feeding the trollberto. Please don't try to argue logically with him. He doesn't do logic.


royberto - 7-4-2017 at 08:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
Why is Alberto to blame for Paige's "erratic and reckless behavior"? If her life is "spiraling out of control," it seems to me that it began to spiral out of control well before she hooked up with him. I mean, I'm pretty sure she was fucking all her co-workers on camera before he and she were a thing. What has she done since then that's been more reckless?
I'm don't give a shit about Paige, so I am not the one who thinks she is reckless and a trainwreck. It her fans that do. Ask them. She can do whatever she wants as far as I'm concerned as long as she isn't wasting WWE TV time to do it.


royberto - 7-4-2017 at 08:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
The issue on Alberto, on the other hand, is not that he is her boyfriend, not that she is expressing anti-WWE opinions. but her erratic and reckless behavior due to him. People are fans of hers and are worried that she is a train wreck spiraling out of control.


Why is Alberto to blame for Paige's "erratic and reckless behavior"? If her life is "spiraling out of control," it seems to me that it began to spiral out of control well before she hooked up with him. I mean, I'm pretty sure she was fucking all her co-workers on camera before he and she were a thing. What has she done since then that's been more reckless?
You're feeding the trollberto. Please don't try to argue logically with him. He doesn't do logic.


Paddlefoot - 7-4-2017 at 08:27 PM

Time to shock the world by agreeing with Roy. Paige is the author of pretty much all her own misfortunes thanks to her own colossal immaturity. It probably comes from being raised in this business because her folks (no major insult intended) have been living their own carnie lifestyle as wrestlers/promoters since before she was born. She's really no different than any male performer that proved to be too wild to rely on and was a detriment to doing business.


First 9 - 7-4-2017 at 08:38 PM

Eh, I think Paige is too much of a small fry for WWE to give a fuck. They might fire her to set precedent or the higher ups might roll their eyes at whoever bring them the info and not care.

There's the movie being made in a partnership with The Rock and keeping her offscreen and paying her down payment until they can leech off attention once the movie comes out(and keep Rock) happy doesn't cost them much.

Vets like Road Dogg and HHH have to know this is the risk they always take when you bring somebody who isn't old enough to drink into the main roster.


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-4-2017 at 09:32 PM

For whatever it's worth, WWE didn't fire Robbie McAllister for attending a TNA taping, they suspended him. Yeah, they fired him a few months later, but the company lost interest in the Highlanders like two weeks after they debuted, so he was on borrowed time anyway. I don't think Paige showing up in the crowd at Impact while (at least nominally) trying to hide her identity is going to make things any worse for her than they already are. It might be worse, in their minds, than "sex tapes leaked without her consent," but it's not as bad as "Bender-esque reckless partying," "dating a total jerk who can't stop badmouthing the company" or "occasionally feels compelled to badmouth the company herself."


First 9 - 7-4-2017 at 11:50 PM

In more positive news,

''WWE's ""Fight Owens Fight" DVD set was officially released today and is apparently, already a massive hit. In a situation I don't recall happening since the 2004 release of the "Rise and Fall of ECW" DVD, the Owens set has sold so well, it is sold out even on Amazon for fans who ordered in advance.
Our old pal Sideshow Shan sent the following,...The Kevin Owens DVD was released today and it's completely sold out on Amazon. I preordered it a few days ago, but still ordered in advance and I just received an email that I won't get mine for more than 2 weeks, despite Amazon's promise that a pre-ordered item would arrive on the release date.
I just called three random Best Buys in NYC and all of them told me the set was sold out as well and they just opened an hour ago.''

Good for Owens. There's a lot of great workers in the roster but few got the combo of in ring skills and fun on the mic like the Face of America.


CCharger - 7-5-2017 at 03:06 PM

Too bad for Owens that Kevin Dunn hates his facial hair and thinks he's too fat to be taken seriously.


DKBroiler - 7-5-2017 at 04:32 PM

Rumor: The main event of SummerSlam will be Samoa Joe vs Braun Strowman.

I have nothing to back this up but, whatever. Can't be any less accurate than the dirt sheets.


janerd75 - 7-5-2017 at 06:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Too bad for Owens that Kevin Dunn hates his facial hair and thinks he's too fat to be taken seriously.


So Corny and the Beav do have something in common. No restraining order needed between those two, I guess.


Paddlefoot - 7-5-2017 at 09:09 PM

* in a follow-up to people Jim Cornette hates, he was selling online signed copies for $8 each of the restraining order that Vince Russo had issued against him


Frank Lloyd Wright - 7-5-2017 at 09:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* in a follow-up to people Jim Cornette hates, he was selling online signed copies for $8 each of the restraining order that Vince Russo had issued against him


Jim Cornette would sell individual samples of his mother's ashes, if he knew he could make money. For being such a big socialist, he sure acts like a real capitalist.


CCharger - 7-5-2017 at 10:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright

Jim Cornette would sell individual samples of his mother's ashes, if he knew he could make money. For being such a big socialist, he sure acts like a real capitalist.

I don't think you know what socialism means.


CM Crunk - 7-5-2017 at 11:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright

Jim Cornette would sell individual samples of his mother's ashes, if he knew he could make money. For being such a big socialist, he sure acts like a real capitalist.

I don't think you know what socialism means.


In Corny's defense, he's donating the procedes for those autographs to CrusadeForChildren.org.


DKBroiler - 7-6-2017 at 02:37 PM

Rumor: DeAngelo Williams is better at pro wrestling than 80% of pro wrestlers. I haven't watched (Not)TNA in years but I caught the highlights on the Book of Faces. Simply amazing performance from a non-wrestler.


CCharger - 7-6-2017 at 03:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Rumor: DeAngelo Williams is better at pro wrestling than 80% of pro wrestlers. I haven't watched (Not)TNA in years but I caught the highlights on the Book of Faces. Simply amazing performance from a non-wrestler.

This is true, and the rumor is that he prepared for that match in just three days, which if true, is astounding.

Guys have spent years in NXT and don't move that well or have that much charisma in the ring.


DKBroiler - 7-6-2017 at 05:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Rumor: DeAngelo Williams is better at pro wrestling than 80% of pro wrestlers. I haven't watched (Not)TNA in years but I caught the highlights on the Book of Faces. Simply amazing performance from a non-wrestler.

This is true, and the rumor is that he prepared for that match in just three days, which if true, is astounding.

Guys have spent years in NXT and don't move that well or have that much charisma in the ring.


I loved the irony of him wrestling against Chris F'N (Not) Masters. CFM has to be a 15 year vet by now and is worse at his job by miles than Williams who apparently took up wrestling last Wednesday.


gobbledygooker - 7-6-2017 at 08:11 PM

It may be fairly common knowledge but as a Carolina Panthers fan and huge Deangelo Williams fan from his time playing here (dude really is a stand up guy, works tirelessly with breast cancer charities, etc.) I've known about his wrestling fandom for quite a while and loved that he got a chance in the ring (and did such an amazing job with it). I would love to see him set a new record for "Most successful former football player-turned-wrestler" ever!


Paddlefoot - 7-6-2017 at 08:32 PM

* Velvet Sky announced that she is retiring from wrestling; ass worshipers everywhere are in deep mourning with the knowledge that the pigeons shall never be let loose again yeah, she's a terrible wrestler but still -



* James Storm took a bad shot to the head during his recent strap match with EC3; it's been diagnosed as a grade 3 (severe) concussion; no information yet on how long he'll be out of action

* GFW told ADR not to cut a promo on WWE again but he ignored them anyway and tried to do one at this week's Impact taping; in response GFW cranked up his theme music and shut his mic off; when ADR tried to yell it out over the music they just turned the volume up higher until he left the ring; apparently his own lawyer has told him to knock it off with the WWE-bashing to avoid getting sued by them because he already lost enough money during his divorce; oh yeah, his silly girlfriend was also photographed peeking from behind at curtain at the Impact tapings while ADR was in the ring - hey, what's La Blanca Puta doing in the Impact Zone, Josh?

* Matt Hardy teased on his twitter account that he was "close" to an agreement with GFW to regain control of the Broken Hardys universe; apparently, according to the dirt sheets, the exact opposite is true and both sides are still very far apart in whatever negotiations are happening



[Edited on 7/6/2017 by Paddlefoot]


anglefan85 - 7-7-2017 at 05:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* GFW told ADR not to cut a promo on WWE again but he ignored them anyway and tried to do one at this week's Impact taping; in response GFW cranked up his theme music and shut his mic off; when ADR tried to yell it out over the music they just turned the volume up higher until he left the ring; apparently his own lawyer has told him to knock it off with the WWE-bashing to avoid getting sued by them because he already lost enough money during his divorce; oh yeah, his silly girlfriend was also photographed peeking from behind at curtain at the Impact tapings while ADR was in the ring - hey, what's La Blanca Puta doing in the Impact Zone, Josh?

[Edited on 7/6/2017 by Paddlefoot]


To make matters worse, tonight on Impact, Josh mentioned on commentary that Paige was backstage at Slammiversary, and even referred to her as "Alberto El Patron's fiancee, Paige". Even during the incident where they fired Robbie from The Highlanders, they didn't use his WWE name, they used his actual name.

I really doubt he'll waste any time doing so, but Vince at any moment could unleash Jerry McDevitt on them and sue for using a WWE-trademarked name on the air if he felt it was worth it.


Paddlefoot - 7-7-2017 at 05:22 AM

Yeah, it all depends on how much of the old fire of hate and vindictiveness Vince has left in him where he'd go through hell just to crush some insect that's annoying him and not care in the slightest how much money it would cost to destroy them. This is now going far beyond Paige cranking up the brat routine in order to get an early release from her WWE contract. All Jarrett's taunting is going to do is remind Vince and others with long memories at WWE how much they still hate him.


gobbledygooker - 7-7-2017 at 12:30 PM

Going from what I've heard from Bruce Prichard's podcast, even at their highest point, it doesn't sound like TNA was barely a blip on Vince's radar. So given their current, um, "status" I'm assuming they'd have to devote a whole episode of Impact to disparaging WWE before they'd do anything and even then they may not be bothered.


CCharger - 7-7-2017 at 02:51 PM

* New Japan is looking to run a major show in New Orleans on Wrestlemania weekend next year.


CamstunPWG187 - 7-7-2017 at 03:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* New Japan is looking to run a major show in New Orleans on Wrestlemania weekend next year.


If ROH could do that crowd they brought in for Supercard of Honor this year (it was around 3500),I wonder if NJPW can do that in a similar arena.


anglefan85 - 7-7-2017 at 06:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
Going from what I've heard from Bruce Prichard's podcast, even at their highest point, it doesn't sound like TNA was barely a blip on Vince's radar. So given their current, um, "status" I'm assuming they'd have to devote a whole episode of Impact to disparaging WWE before they'd do anything and even then they may not be bothered.


Pretty much, yeah. And knowing TNA, they'd probably view it as a badge of honor, seeing how they were finally able to get WWE to acknowledge their existence.


Chris Is Good517 - 7-7-2017 at 08:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Matt Hardy teased on his twitter account that he was "close" to an agreement with GFW to regain control of the Broken Hardys universe; apparently, according to the dirt sheets, the exact opposite is true and both sides are still very far apart in whatever negotiations are happening



Call me crazy but for some reason I feel like Matt Hardy might have a better grasp of the legal situation than some dude on WrestlingNewzRumorz dot com.


Flash - 7-7-2017 at 09:15 PM

The whole Matt Hardy getting control of the Broken Matt bit feels more like it's about a post-WWE continued revenue stream than it is something we'd see in the WWE.

I mean the Hardy's are pretty over now and while they get a decent amount of time each week, I don't see a gimmick change suddenly thrusting them to being one of the show's headliners. You would also have to figure that the WWE isn't going to want to recycle a TNA gimmick that they would have to try and get over first before they have a good read on if it will be a big money maker for them or not while operating under the WWE way of doing things (although the success of Styles, Baylor, and Joe do demonstrate that the WWE audience is fairly knowledgeable of other feds). At 42 you also have to wonder how much the WWE is going to want to invest in Matt Hardy.

Now if Hardy does get the Broken gimmick free and clear I could envision a bit of a hybrid gimmick... kind of more of the nostalgia act with a bit of a broken wink and nudge to the camera that might slowly increase- from there who knows.


Paddlefoot - 7-7-2017 at 09:27 PM

Matt probably wants it for his legacy. Even if Nordholm and Jarrett make a deal with him so Matt gets something like royalties from any DVD compilation sale that's only half the fight won. The bigger gorilla in the room remains that WWE probably won't let the Hardy's use it until Creative tinkers with it to put their own stamp on it. If Matt doesn't want to let them do that then it's a no-go altogether. IMO the original mess was just too much demented fun and I don't want to see it wrecked by Vince and Steph and a bunch of retard WWE 'riter dnonkeys fucking the damn thing up.


Paddlefoot - 7-7-2017 at 09:59 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0707/627873/wwe-announces-former-tna-president-dixie-carter-for-wwe-24-after/

quote:
WWE issued a "Breaking News" alert stating that former TNA Owner and President Dixie Carter will be featured on the WWE 24 documentary series after RAW this Monday night that will feature Kurt Angle.

While Dixie has met Stephanie McMahon in the past, this is the first time that she will appear on WWE programming.

The episode will also feature interviews from Vince McMahon as well as "from many of Angle's closest friends and colleagues." Below is the alert from WWE regarding Dixie's involvement with the episode:

#WWE24 will feature exclusive interviews w/ @RealKurtAngle, @TNADixie & @VinceMcMahon on @WWENetwork after #RAW: https://t.co/UChR3zfKYH pic.twitter.com/JGyOvgFF0E

— WWE Network (@WWENetwork) July 7, 2017





Somehow I don't think that this is the way Nordholm and Jarrett were expecting their catching WWE's attention was supposed to work out.


First 9 - 7-7-2017 at 11:40 PM

Austin Aeries is gone and per the rumors he asked for his release.

While I'm glad he wasn't a victim of budget cuts and it's just AA carving his own path, I'm a bit sad to not see ''The Greatest Man Alive'' go into second gear and really light things up in WWE.


CM Crunk - 7-8-2017 at 12:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Austin Aeries is gone and per the rumors he asked for his release.

While I'm glad he wasn't a victim of budget cuts and it's just AA carving his own path, I'm a bit sad to not see ''The Greatest Man Alive'' go into second gear and really light things up in WWE.


Must've tested positive for elevated potassium levels.


CCharger - 7-8-2017 at 02:21 AM

* WWE has announced that Dixie Carter will be featured on their Network documentary show "WWE 24: Kurt Angle's Homecoming". TNA/Impact is not mentioned at all. It merely says that Angle "worked for Dixie from 2006 to 2016".


Flash - 7-8-2017 at 02:32 AM

The Dixie thing is interesting; as it seems odd that the WWE would want Dixie for a talking head spot but likely won't be using any footage from Angle's time there. I mean yeah Angle spent half his career in TNA, but it makes you wonder just how much time they are going to give Dixie that they'd even go down that road and get her for this.

Knowing the WWE it wouldn't be surprising if they also grabbed a bunch of other footage with her for later; maybe a few Sting, Christian, Joe, AJ, and Angle stories that they can use later if they decide to do anything else down the line DVD wise.

[Edited on 7-8-2017 by Flash]


janerd75 - 7-8-2017 at 03:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Austin Aeries is gone and per the rumors he asked for his release.

While I'm glad he wasn't a victim of budget cuts and it's just AA carving his own path, I'm a bit sad to not see ''The Greatest Man Alive'' go into second gear and really light things up in WWE.


Must've tested positive for elevated potassium levels.




EveryOOne: Hey Janners, I bet you can't catch a tub fartbubble with your mouth!

Janners: I'm no dummy, I bet you I could!!!


Tevaltski - 7-8-2017 at 03:37 AM

Maybe Paige being mentioned and shown on screen is part of a trade. WWE gets the broken gimmick and ADR gets his girlfriend on the show. Wouldn't be the first time she's been passed around , right Xavier


janerd75 - 7-8-2017 at 04:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Tevaltski
Maybe Paige being mentioned and shown on screen is part of a trade. WWE gets the broken gimmick and ADR gets his girlfriend on the show. Wouldn't be the first time she's been passed around , right Xavier


Whatever gets the Broken Hardys back to teevee, Doctor....



[Edited on 7-8-2017 by janerd75]


Frank Lloyd Wright - 7-8-2017 at 02:08 PM

Originally posted by CCharger

quote:
I don't think you know what socialism means.


When you come from a socialist country, like I do, that has an unemployment rate above 25%, stagnant economic growth and a debt of of 177% of GDP, then you know what socialism is my friend.

In regards to Jim Cornette, he has stated on his podcast on why he believes socialism is a good thing. I don't want to get political on a pro wrestling forum, so I will just leave it at that.


anglefan85 - 7-8-2017 at 11:19 PM

Alberto Del Rio/El Patron invited Triple H, The New Day and the Usos to come to his restaurant on Tuesday when they are in town. So he can fight them. And buy them drinks afterwards.

Because what better way to bring people together then by threatening assault against them and then buying them a round afterwards?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWTP9s1g2gL/

Seriously though, posting that you want to fight someone and then saying what time and place it will happen...thanks for making it easier for the cops to arrest you for threatening assault. Dumbass.

[Edited on 7-8-2017 by anglefan85]


Katie Vick killer - 7-9-2017 at 06:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Seriously though, posting that you want to fight someone and then saying what time and place it will happen...thanks for making it easier for the cops to arrest you for threatening assault. Dumbass.



ADR is old school, like James E Cornette.


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-9-2017 at 06:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Katie Vick killer
ADR is old school, like James E Cornette.


I eagerly anticipate the creation of a "Gracias, que te den por culo, adios" T-shirt.


denverpunk - 7-9-2017 at 06:28 PM

El Patron needs his ass kicked almost as much as Floyd Mayweather at this point.


the goon - 7-9-2017 at 07:08 PM

I was a pretty big fan of Del Rio for most of his time in WWE, but holy shit this guy just needs to shut the fuck up and go away.


salmonjunkie - 7-9-2017 at 07:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I was a pretty big fan of Del Rio for most of his time in WWE, but holy shit this guy just needs to shut the fuck up and go away.


Si, si, si.


mistabinks - 7-10-2017 at 07:08 AM

Alberto no-showed a pretty decent indie show in El Paso, Texas tonight. I e-mailed PWinsider as I do when I attend live shows. One of the staffers said there was a good reason for him no-showing and that they were working on the details. Some drama in San Antonio?

For those interested, a promised ADR vs Rey Mysterio main event turned into Rey Mysterio & El Hijo de Imposter versus Chavo Guerrero and Johnny Mundo. Not too bad for an indie show.


CCharger - 7-10-2017 at 02:25 PM

FWIW, ADR has a very bad reputation for no showing indy shows. I can count at least three high profile no shows since his first release from the WWE.


anglefan85 - 7-10-2017 at 03:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mistabinks
Alberto no-showed a pretty decent indie show in El Paso, Texas tonight. I e-mailed PWinsider as I do when I attend live shows. One of the staffers said there was a good reason for him no-showing and that they were working on the details. Some drama in San Antonio?

For those interested, a promised ADR vs Rey Mysterio main event turned into Rey Mysterio & El Hijo de Imposter versus Chavo Guerrero and Johnny Mundo. Not too bad for an indie show.


Alberto: How do I get out of this hole I'm in? I know, I'll dig my way out!"

Paige: "No no, dig UP, stupid!"

EDIT: Well, um...I think we may have an answer as to why he missed that show.

quote:
A reader who was traveling into Orlando yesterday afternoon emailed PWInsider to inform us that he had seen Global Force Champion Alberto El Patron being detained by police in the airport.

Patron missed an advertised independent booking yesterday in Texas.
In seeking to confirm whether that story was correct, PWInsider.com reached out to the Orlando Police Department and was given the following statement:

“There was an incident at Orlando International Airport at about 3PM Sunday involving Jose Rodriguez (DOB 5/25/1977). The reported incident was a domestic violence battery, and it is still under investigation. No arrests have been made as of this time, but the case remains open. That is all the information we have for release at this time.”



TMZ is also reporting the same thing about him assaulting a female companion in the airport, but I didn't use that one because, well, TMZ.

If this is true in the slightest, Del Rio may talk a tough game, but he just basically painted a giant bullseye on his back. You do not fuck with the Knight family, they will find you.

[Edited on 7-10-2017 by anglefan85]


CCharger - 7-10-2017 at 04:31 PM

* Here's a funny rumor: word has it that Vince was LIVID that Matt Hardy, Alexa, and Dean Ambrose bled for real in their matches because he felt it ruined the Strowman blood spot which was supposed to be the "money shot" of the PPV. I envision Vince getting more and more angry with each wrestler who was busted open by accident.


anglefan85 - 7-10-2017 at 04:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Here's a funny rumor: word has it that Vince was LIVID that Matt Hardy, Alexa, and Dean Ambrose bled for real in their matches because he felt it ruined the Strowman blood spot which was supposed to be the "money shot" of the PPV. I envision Vince getting more and more angry with each wrestler who was busted open by accident.




That'd be a stupid thing for Vince to get pissed off at. Matt did have some pretty decent color, but Braun looked like he legit just walked away from a car crash. That stands out a lot more than the other instances of blood on the show.


CCharger - 7-10-2017 at 05:05 PM

Some other rumorz:

* The Observer is reporting that Austin Aries did NOT request his release, but was released because he is "really unpopular" backstage. Aries apparently made a huge stink about losing out on Wrestlemania royalties due to his match being on the pre-show which did not endear him to HHH or Vince.

* Kevin Owens has reportedly been pulled from the Battleground PPV. No reason given.


anglefan85 - 7-10-2017 at 05:07 PM

Aries does have a pretty bad reputation as far as his attitude is concerned, so I can believe that.


gobbledygooker - 7-10-2017 at 08:17 PM

Wasn't Aries looking to scale back his wrestling role in ROH a few years back as well, like when he was basically managing the All Night Express?


CCharger - 7-10-2017 at 09:21 PM

Well, the reason behind ADR's recent indy no-show is now known:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720813-alberto-el-patron-under-investigation-for-alleged-domestic-violence?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral& utm_campaign=editorial

Apparently, the crazy train keeps on rolling.

ETA: Link isn't working. Basically ADR is under investigation for domestic battery after an "altercation with a female companion" at the Orlando airport Sunday afternoon.

[Edited on 7-10-2017 by CCharger]


G-Spot - 7-10-2017 at 09:44 PM

In response to the Alberto police investigation, Paige tweeted...

"WE got the cops involved. I'm crying cuz I found out bad fam news & a lady tries take a pic. She gets angry throws a drink on @PrideOfMexico"

"Please leave us alone. That's it."


anglefan85 - 7-10-2017 at 09:49 PM

Under Florida law, Domestic Violence Battery is defined as any actual and intentional touching or striking of another person without consent, or the intentional causing of bodily harm to another person, when the person struck is a “family or household member.”

So right now, there's no telling if it was Paige or if it was some other woman. What we do know, though, is that Del Rio is an absolute piece of shit for assaulting a woman.

Paige was saying that her uncle Stanley is in the hospital right now, and that the woman in question tried to take a picture of them. When they refused, she spilled her drink on Del Rio, and thats when Del Rio retaliated. Even if its true that the woman did spill her drink on him, she technically assaulted him and they could have had her charged and gone about things the right way. Instead, he compounds the error, assaults her himself, and now could be facing battery charges.

And its also really hard for Paige to make any excuses when this happened at an airport. Not a small place, not some random bar or club, in a fucking airport. You're gonna have witnesses from pretty much any direction that you look.


Flash - 7-10-2017 at 09:56 PM

Just piecing it together from Paige's twitter posts about 2 hours ago and it may not be the conclusion that everyone is jumping to:

"WE got the cops involved. I'm crying cuz I found out bad fam news & lady tries to take a pic. She gets angry throws a drink on @Prideofmexico"

"Please leave us alone. That it."

Then about an hour later she tweeted out a thoughts and prayers, along with a pic of her uncle.

ADR's twitter is silent about this; with his last tweet being from the other day linking to his Instagram post about fighting HHH, New Day, and the Usos.

Other news reports seem to characterize it as anything from a heated argument to an altercation- which if a drink was thrown would probably be the bare minimum for it to be called an altercation. Odds are since no charges were pressed, or no one arrested at the scene it was likely more of an argument.

In saying this; between ADR running around challenging ex-employers/co-workers to fights on multiple counts, constantly running his mouth against a company that A) employs his fiancée, and B) paid him millions, and this being what... the fourth or fifth fan/co-worker/possible back alley crack dealer he's been involved in a fight, argument, slap match with... well, clearly the guy has a problem with keeping a cooler head, or at least avoiding trouble.

ETA: Looks like a bunch of us were all writing something up about Paige's tweets at the same time, lol

[Edited on 7-10-2017 by Flash]


Chris Is Good517 - 7-10-2017 at 10:12 PM

Del Rio's a fucking cancer to the business and WWE needs to cut their losses and just give Paige what she wants and release her. This shitshow seems to continue to increase in intensity and eventually something's going to happen that they're really going to regret having her under contract.


CCharger - 7-10-2017 at 10:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Del Rio's a fucking cancer to the business and WWE needs to cut their losses and just give Paige what she wants and release her. This shitshow seems to continue to increase in intensity and eventually something's going to happen that they're really going to regret having her under contract.

In essence, I agree, but at this point what more could happen that would be worse than what has already happened? What more could they regret? She's on video eating jizz off the NXT title belt, appearing on a competitor's television, and being involved in multiple altercations and/or public embarrassments. My point is, if they haven't released her already, why would they do it now?


denverpunk - 7-10-2017 at 11:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
In essence, I agree, but at this point what more could happen that would be worse than what has already happened?




[Edited on 7-10-2017 by denverpunk]


anglefan85 - 7-10-2017 at 11:17 PM

Source aside, this makes it pretty cut-and-dry:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/10/alberto-del-rio-paige-fight-audio-domestic-investigation/

Del Rio's actions are those of a psychopath, (the part where he follows her and tries to stop her from leaving is absolutely chilling), and Paige sounds like she's just tired of life right now. People have been saying that Paige needs a wakeup call, it appears that she's finally received that message. Even if she never wrestles for the WWE again, she needs to get protection, for her own well-being.

Nothing about this is funny, nothing about this is a joke. I'm not gonna sugarcoat this, if Paige doesn't get out of this relationship soon, she might be killed.


Paddlefoot - 7-10-2017 at 11:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
In essence, I agree, but at this point what more could happen that would be worse than what has already happened?





Ouch.


CCharger - 7-10-2017 at 11:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
In essence, I agree, but at this point what more could happen that would be worse than what has already happened?




[Edited on 7-10-2017 by denverpunk]

Is this pro wrestling's version of Godwin's Law?


Chris Is Good517 - 7-11-2017 at 12:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Source aside, this makes it pretty cut-and-dry:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/10/alberto-del-rio-paige-fight-audio-domestic-investigation/

Del Rio's actions are those of a psychopath, (the part where he follows her and tries to stop her from leaving is absolutely chilling), and Paige sounds like she's just tired of life right now. People have been saying that Paige needs a wakeup call, it appears that she's finally received that message. Even if she never wrestles for the WWE again, she needs to get protection, for her own well-being.

Nothing about this is funny, nothing about this is a joke. I'm not gonna sugarcoat this, if Paige doesn't get out of this relationship soon, she might be killed.


Fuck, man. My sister was in a relationship with a guy who wasn't physically abusive, but was a controlling, lying, manipulative lunatic with a violent temper, and if she hadn't finally gotten away from him when she did it may have escalated to physical abuse, so I've seen first hand how hard it can be for women to escape their abusers. I don't know if this is a wake-up call for Paige, because a) this probably happens fairly regularly with them and b) look how quick she was to jump on Twitter with "everything's fine nothing to see here". I hope she gets help soon, because I don't disagree with you at all that he might try to kill her. This has the marks of "not going to end well either way".

[Edited on 7-11-2017 by Chris Is Good517]


Flash - 7-11-2017 at 01:11 AM

I didn't listen to the audio, but geez- if Paige is already lying to cover for ADR when there were that many witnesses around that's scary.

Might be time for Anthem to take a hard look at what kind of message they want to send about this "new" TNA/GFW; is it still TNA with a fresh coat of paint on it where everything still gets swept under the carpet, or are they prepared to send a message about what kind of company they want to be.

Somewhere out there Rhino is saying "goddam flower pot got me fired".


CM Crunk - 7-11-2017 at 01:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Source aside, this makes it pretty cut-and-dry:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/10/alberto-del-rio-paige-fight-audio-domestic-investigation/

Del Rio's actions are those of a psychopath, (the part where he follows her and tries to stop her from leaving is absolutely chilling), and Paige sounds like she's just tired of life right now. People have been saying that Paige needs a wakeup call, it appears that she's finally received that message. Even if she never wrestles for the WWE again, she needs to get protection, for her own well-being.

Nothing about this is funny, nothing about this is a joke. I'm not gonna sugarcoat this, if Paige doesn't get out of this relationship soon, she might be killed.


Fuck, man. My sister was in a relationship with a guy who wasn't physically abusive, but was a controlling, lying, manipulative lunatic with a violent temper, and if she hadn't finally gotten away from him when she did it may have escalated to physical abuse, so I've seen first hand how hard it can be for women to escape their abusers. I don't know if this is a wake-up call for Paige, because a) this probably happens fairly regularly with them and b) look how quick she was to jump on Twitter with "everything's fine nothing to see here". I hope she gets help soon, because I don't disagree with you at all that he might try to kill her. This has the marks of "not going to end well either way".

[Edited on 7-11-2017 by Chris Is Good517]


Y'know, I honestly hope the best for Paige. She might be screwed up in the head over a screwed up upbringing in a screwed up industry. At this point it seems like there are only two options for her: become a cautionary tale or defy all odds and straighten out. I certainly don't think the latter is possible so long as she has ol' Juan Trick Pony playing the albatross (albertross?) around her neck.


anglefan85 - 7-11-2017 at 01:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
Source aside, this makes it pretty cut-and-dry:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/10/alberto-del-rio-paige-fight-audio-domestic-investigation/

Del Rio's actions are those of a psychopath, (the part where he follows her and tries to stop her from leaving is absolutely chilling), and Paige sounds like she's just tired of life right now. People have been saying that Paige needs a wakeup call, it appears that she's finally received that message. Even if she never wrestles for the WWE again, she needs to get protection, for her own well-being.

Nothing about this is funny, nothing about this is a joke. I'm not gonna sugarcoat this, if Paige doesn't get out of this relationship soon, she might be killed.


Fuck, man. My sister was in a relationship with a guy who wasn't physically abusive, but was a controlling, lying, manipulative lunatic with a violent temper, and if she hadn't finally gotten away from him when she did it may have escalated to physical abuse, so I've seen first hand how hard it can be for women to escape their abusers. I don't know if this is a wake-up call for Paige, because a) this probably happens fairly regularly with them and b) look how quick she was to jump on Twitter with "everything's fine nothing to see here". I hope she gets help soon, because I don't disagree with you at all that he might try to kill her. This has the marks of "not going to end well either way".

[Edited on 7-11-2017 by Chris Is Good517]


Mine was in the same situation. Thankfully, she broke off ties and is in a much better place in her life now. Glad to hear your sister was able to get out as well.


Thom - 7-11-2017 at 01:08 PM

That TMZ piece seems to beg the question: why audio, and not video? Seems like most people - in this sort of situation - take video. Hell, I'm not even quite sure how to take audio only on my phone. I'm sure it's easy - just that the camera is probably easier to access.


Oh, there it is - in "Tools," not "Media." But, then again, I have my camera shortcut on my phone's desktop.


anglefan85 - 7-11-2017 at 02:17 PM

Its more covert to do an audio recording than a video recording. If Del Rio saw them filming it, he could have easily just switched from being angry and stalkerish into just saying that the whole thing was a misunderstanding.

EDIT: Paige's brother wrote this on his Facebook page:

quote:
I've got too say I'm very worried about my sister, Please keep a eye on her, she had one Prick Known as brad Maddox who took advantage of an 18 year old girl. Physically and mentally abused her. And now she's with a control freak who think he's a tough guy cause he's beats my sister and has money too cover his tracks..I love my sister she will end up like Whitney Houston or Amy Winehouse ....please share this,,I want the world to know that i care about my lil sister.....everyone keep an eye on her ...you'll be angry at me but I love you, I'm writing this on behalf of all the Knights.

This is the hardest thing we as a family as ever done. We've tried everything. Now we must stand up for my beautiful little sister and get her back to WWE and away from this prick. Roy Bevis wrote this and I've added details. But we feel this is the only way to save her.


EDITED AGAIN: https://heavy.com/sports/2017/07/alberto-del-rio-paige-domestic-abuse-incident-witness-uncle-cocaine/amp/

quote:
The woman who WWE Superstar Paige claims threw a drink on fiancee Alberto Del Rio after asking for a photo called the allegation “completely false” in an exclusive interview with Heavy.

The witness, who asked that her name not be revealed and described herself as a wrestling “superfan,” said Del Rio “reeked” like alcohol when he chased after Paige during an argument at Orlando International Airport on Sunday. While arguing on the airport’s tram system, an emotional Paige, whose real name is Saraya-Jade Bevis, screamed that Del Rio had been “doing coke for two-days straight” and called him “abusive,” the witness alleges.

“They were arguing back and forth, screaming at each other,” the woman, who resides just south of Tampa, Florida, said.

That contradicts the story that Paige said gave on Twitter. She said that it was her and Del Rio, whose real name is Jose Rodriguez, who called the police on the woman after she threw a drink on him. But the witness said “none of that happened,” adding that Paige screamed, “You’re so abusive to me” to a furious Del Rio.

The witness was at the airport dropping off her mother-in-law when she spotted Paige at a restaurant close to a terminal entrance. She described the former WWE Women’s Champion as being “upset” while she was speaking on the phone with someone, pacing back and forth with tears in her eyes. The woman admits to discreetly attempting to take pictures of Paige as she walked and talked on the phone until she was noticed (see the above photo). Paige walked back into the restaurant and one of the four people at her table walked out, presumably to see if she was still there, the witness said. Suddenly, Paige came storming back out of the restaurant “crying and yelling.” Del Rio, visibly “soaked” in liquid, chased after her as she fled onto the nearby tram system, the witness said. The witness continued to follow the ordeal and was one of the only people on the tram car as the couple got into a loud argument, she said.

“He was soaked and she was saying, ‘You’re such an abusive husband, I hate you. You’ve ruined my life, you’ve ruined my career,'” the witness said.

Del Rio and Paige continued their argument for a short while on the tram car as Del Rio said, “Check her bag, she’s got all the coke in it, it’s all hers,” the witness claims. After that, the witness said that she pulled out her cell phone again, this time to try and record the argument, of which only part of the audio was picked up. From what she knows about the situation, the witness believed the argument between the pair started because Del Rio said inflammatory comments about one of Paige’s family members.

“From what I gather, he said something like, ‘I hope your f***ing uncle dies tomorrow, and grabs her wrist because he was mad she was on the phone for so long,” the witness said. “They wanted to leave, so he got mad and grabbed her wrist. She got upset and threw water on him and she ran out.”

After her video stops, the witness said that she stayed along with Paige and asked if she needs any assistance.

“I just wanted to help at that point,” she said, noting that an airport security guard with a K-9 stopped Del Rio “because they could smell the alcohol.”

Hours after the “domestic incident” was first reported, Paige sent a tweet asking for prayers for her uncle Stanley.


[Edited on 7-11-2017 by anglefan85]


CCharger - 7-11-2017 at 02:55 PM

I don't know what is more tragic. Alberto's treatment of her, or her willingness to go back to him afterwards.


anglefan85 - 7-11-2017 at 03:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I don't know what is more tragic. Alberto's treatment of her, or her willingness to go back to him afterwards.


That's Stockholm Syndrome for ya. Either that, or due to his connections, she's afraid that if she tries to leave, he'll find her and kill her. Either scenario is totally believable at this point.

Even though GFW should fire him on the spot for this, I'm worried that if that does happen, he'll fly even further off the handle and take it out on her for costing him his job, even though it was his own fault.


CCharger - 7-11-2017 at 03:31 PM

Yeah, I know this isn't uncommon behavior for battered and abused women, but it is still heartbreaking. Like, does she not know that she could do soooo much better? Terribly sad.


royberto - 7-11-2017 at 04:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
EDIT: Paige's brother wrote this on his Facebook page:

quote:
I've got too say I'm very worried about my sister, Please keep a eye on her, she had one Prick Known as brad Maddox who took advantage of an 18 year old girl. Physically and mentally abused her. And now she's with a control freak who think he's a tough guy cause he's beats my sister and has money too cover his tracks..I love my sister she will end up like Whitney Houston or Amy Winehouse ....please share this,,I want the world to know that i care about my lil sister.....everyone keep an eye on her ...you'll be angry at me but I love you, I'm writing this on behalf of all the Knights.

This is the hardest thing we as a family as ever done. We've tried everything. Now we must stand up for my beautiful little sister and get her back to WWE and away from this prick. Roy Bevis wrote this and I've added details. But we feel this is the only way to save her.

NOW he is worried? He and his merry family of carnies were making excuse after excuse for her for the longest time. Fuck him.


DKBroiler - 7-11-2017 at 05:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Like, does she not know that she could do soooo much better?


I got a face ... I mean shoulder ... she can sit ... I mean cry ... on.


gobbledygooker - 7-11-2017 at 05:39 PM

From what I know, aren't her mom and dad legit badasses that have been known to fuck up a person or two in real life? Not that I've been tracking this complete saga, I'm kinda surprised we haven't heard from either of them as of yet or some kind of "Del Rio's body was found buried in Paige's mom's backyard" story.


janerd75 - 7-11-2017 at 06:10 PM

In this situation I've always wondered at what point the WWE is going to just shitcan and shelve the whole Knight family film they're making. At some point I would figure even The Rock doesn't want his name attached, especially if Paige doesn't somehow get away or get help. Frantic alcohol-fueled coke blowouts in public by an employee is probably not something StepHHH are interested in dealing with right now.


CCharger - 7-11-2017 at 07:04 PM

Yes, because that is always the appropriate response when an employee is dealing with substance abuse issues and an abusive partner.

Fire her.


Paddlefoot - 7-11-2017 at 07:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
In this situation I've always wondered at what point the WWE is going to just shitcan and shelve the whole Knight family film they're making. At some point I would figure even The Rock doesn't want his name attached, especially if Paige doesn't somehow get away or get help. Frantic alcohol-fueled coke blowouts in public by an employee is probably not something StepHHH are interested in dealing with right now.


WWE can't win either way so their current approach of not even talking about it is probably the best one. No matter what they do, or don't do, they'll end up taking the blame anyway from the same sort of dimwits who've been saying it's all their fault for the last fifteen years for "what happened to Chyna", like it's their permanent lifetime responsibility to rescue any of the out-of-control addicts and borderline personalities who once worked for them for a few years. And apparently it endlessly applies to them forever as well even when the personality involved (Chyna, Sunny, and now Paige) all came across with the attitude of "I'm too good to be working for the likes of WWE".

All they can do is let it play out. If Paige survives then it'll be up to her to reach out to them first, the way Scott Hall and Jake Roberts finally did, when the WWE offer of assistance is put on the table for them.

[Edited on 7/11/2017 by Paddlefoot]


anglefan85 - 7-11-2017 at 08:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
From what I know, aren't her mom and dad legit badasses that have been known to fuck up a person or two in real life? Not that I've been tracking this complete saga, I'm kinda surprised we haven't heard from either of them as of yet or some kind of "Del Rio's body was found buried in Paige's mom's backyard" story.


Yeah, they are very protective of each other. Her brother Roy, though, he'll just kick your ass because he feels like it.


Paddlefoot - 7-11-2017 at 09:29 PM

Cholos vs chavs, as Mexico and Britain declare war on each other.


janerd75 - 7-11-2017 at 09:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Yes, because that is always the appropriate response when an employee is dealing with substance abuse issues and an abusive partner.

Fire her.


Well outside of Haitch and some of the Boys showing up at 'Bertos Cantina for a proper tune up, but you know what I meant you rabble-rousing dingus. :p

But seriously folks, outside of the E outright dropping her for the obvious business reasons we've been talking about, I hope at bare minimum they've got some backchannel communications with her and her people and help her to split from that nutter.


CCharger - 7-11-2017 at 09:50 PM

I knew what you meant, you old scalawag!


janerd75 - 7-11-2017 at 10:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I knew what you meant, you old scalawag!


Scalawag? Did...did you just pirate-shame me? That's it, feud's back on.


Paddlefoot - 7-11-2017 at 10:42 PM

Scalawag is how pirates used to describe their catamites.

Jarrett is smart enough to exploit a moment. All GFW has to do to not look crappy for having Alberto on their payroll is to re-write the current script and change it to the reason why LAX is after him is because he refuses to pay what he owes them for all the coke.

[Edited on 7/11/2017 by Paddlefoot]


punkerhardcore - 7-11-2017 at 10:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
I hope at bare minimum they've got some backchannel communications with her


Time to rehire Brad Maddox, I guess.


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-12-2017 at 01:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
But seriously folks, outside of the E outright dropping her for the obvious business reasons we've been talking about, I hope at bare minimum they've got some backchannel communications with her and her people and help her to split from that nutter.




Inappropriate jokes aside, it can't help that every voice in the wrestling world right now, both wrestlers and fans, is telling Paige to cut Alberto El Patron loose while she still has the chance. Ever try to convince a friend or family member that his or her significant other is bad news? Nine times out of 10, it just makes them dig in their heels. Now imagine hearing that from thousands upon thousands of people.


anglefan85 - 7-12-2017 at 03:45 PM

quote:
Global Force Wrestling issued the following announcement:

Global Force Wrestling has indefinitely suspended Alberto El Patron, effective immediately, until the investigation is resolved following a recent incident in Orlando, Florida.

As PWInsider.com first reported, Patron is currently under investigation by the Orlando Police Department for alleged domestic violence battery following an incident on Sunday July 9th.

The incident involved current WWE Talent Paige based on audio and photos that have leaked since our initial reporting.

Since the initial report, members of Paige's family have come out publicly against Patron while Paige herself has claimed that the incident was one that was caused by a woman throwing water on Alberto after Paige received bad news about her sick uncle. However that woman has come forward and was interviewed by Heavy.com admitting that she was the one that recorded the audio that was published by TMZ and claiming that the argument between the two included allegations made by Paige of drug use by Patron in the two days leading to the incident.

Patron has not commented publicly since the investigation was reported. GFW had previously promised to conduct their own investigation.

www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=110896


If this one actually sticks for more than a few weeks, a la Bram, then I'll give respect to GFW for doing the right thing here.


punkerhardcore - 7-12-2017 at 05:24 PM

A nice gesture I guess... but since they've already taped far in advance, this is kinda like suspending a high school student during Summer vacation.


DKBroiler - 7-12-2017 at 07:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
A nice gesture I guess... but since they've already taped far in advance, this is kinda like suspending a high school student during Summer vacation.


Seeing how much summer work my nephews get nowadays they'd probably welcome it.


Paddlefoot - 7-12-2017 at 10:18 PM

* Paige crossing the border into classic battered woman in denial behaviour with "it's all my fault" explanation for the Orlando airport incident:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/paige-says-she-was-aggressor-in-airport-incident-provides-her-version-of-story/

Next up "it's OK, I fell down the stairs (five times in a row)" to explain the bruises


anglefan85 - 7-12-2017 at 10:46 PM

Oh, come on, we've all been there before. We say things we don't mean. I mean, who among us can't say that they've ever told a significant other during an argument that we wished that their loved one would die, seemingly have them follow us everywhere we go, and lash out at anyone who would dare try to come near them?

Oh wait, none of us have (I hope). I have had times in my life when I have been mad at somebody, its normal. However, I have never wished death upon one of their family members, like Del Rio did to her. That's not a lovers spat, that's being a sociopath.

[Edited on 7-12-2017 by anglefan85]


CCharger - 7-12-2017 at 10:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85

I have never wished death upon one of their family members, like Del Rio did to her. That's not a lovers spat, that's being a sociopath.

[Edited on 7-12-2017 by anglefan85]


"No, that's being a Mexican."

---Pres. Donald J. Trump


punkerhardcore - 7-12-2017 at 11:24 PM

This is my favorite part:

quote:
She said then that “a crazy lady decides to leave whatever she’s doing and follow us and invade our privacy in the completely low way. Only low life people would do.”


Yeah, too bad more people can't be upper crust like you two-- having loud ass arguments and throwing drinks on each other in public.

They both sound like pieces of fucking shit if you ask me. They're like, one tick away from being shirtless on an episode of Cops.


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-12-2017 at 11:34 PM

Man, has Alberto El Patron always been such a piece of shit, or has his Scarface-adjacent coke habit changed his brain chemistry over the last year?


Flash - 7-13-2017 at 12:30 AM

Just to play devil's advocate; but say Paige's version of events is true; is there a point where the WWE flips the script and does their own Paige has been suspended pending investigation... As they've done for other male talent being abusive to their partner, or at least causing a public commotion as they have in the past (selectively, see Austin) allegedly with Rose and Rhino.

What a no win situation for the WWE- they cut her loose, and with 2 wellness strikes against her, appearing on TNA, standing next to and holding hands with a guy who runs down your product in interviews, and now this most recent public meltdown (I won't hold the leaked vids against her- poor judgement, but still a personal matter) they'd be well within their rights to cut her loose- and who knows- it worked for Eddie so it might even be good for her; but if things go off the rails there are always going to be they should have done more comments.

Given that stuff was filmed in April we should probably be getting a release date for Fighting with my Family soon, and with that maybe a bit more of an idea of what's going to happen- I mean yeah they'd want her for promotion, but I can't imagine they'd want ADR following along with her.


Paddlefoot - 7-13-2017 at 12:46 AM

Gonna be fun at the movie premiere when the people the film is based on won't be there because they're too much of an embarrassment to associate with in public.

FYI this will be the second time that Lena Headey portrayed Saraya Knight in a movie.



[Edited on 7/13/2017 by Paddlefoot]


Chris Is Good517 - 7-13-2017 at 01:00 AM

Re-railing the thread a bit, the usual places have been reporting that Brock was exceptionally happy with his match with Joe and has been pushing to work with him again. There's been some rumbling of a Brock/Joe/Reigns triple threat at SummerSlam, or possibly the addition of Braun to make it a fatal 4-way.


royberto - 7-13-2017 at 01:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* Paige crossing the border into classic battered woman in denial behaviour with "it's all my fault" explanation for the Orlando airport incident:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/paige-says-she-was-aggressor-in-airport-incident-provides-her-version-of-story/

Next up "it's OK, I fell down the stairs (five times in a row)" to explain the bruises
So she basically admits to falsely accusing the other woman of throwing the drink in Alberto's face and thinks the other woman is the crazy lady and the lowlife?

Do people now see why people were calling her a trainwreck?


Slade - 7-13-2017 at 03:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Re-railing the thread a bit, the usual places have been reporting that Brock was exceptionally happy with his match with Joe and has been pushing to work with him again. There's been some rumbling of a Brock/Joe/Reigns triple threat at SummerSlam, or possibly the addition of Braun to make it a fatal 4-way.


Brock vs. Joe vs. Reigns vs. Strowman would be an epic main event and I want it to happen. I hope Strowman fucks up Reigns and Joe after they go at least 20 minutes next week, therefore causing the match to end in a no decision and leaving the door open for this to be our Summerslam main event!


GodEatGod - 7-13-2017 at 03:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Re-railing the thread a bit, the usual places have been reporting that Brock was exceptionally happy with his match with Joe and has been pushing to work with him again. There's been some rumbling of a Brock/Joe/Reigns triple threat at SummerSlam, or possibly the addition of Braun to make it a fatal 4-way.


Brock vs. Joe vs. Reigns vs. Strowman would be an epic main event and I want it to happen. I hope Strowman fucks up Reigns and Joe after they go at least 20 minutes next week, therefore causing the match to end in a no decision and leaving the door open for this to be our Summerslam main event!


Yeah, the Four-Way main event is often a cop-out, but in this case, it might be the ideal use of all guys involved. It keeps two hot feuds going but lets them seem a little fresher with all the cross-pollination. Not to mention then the outcome's more in doubt because you can have Brock lose the title without him actually 'losing'.


cardscott5 - 7-13-2017 at 06:12 AM

I guess it's not a rumour or anything but

**spoiler**

Kyle O'Reilly showed up in NXT tonight. So that's pretty awesome since he's pretty great. Really think he can be a standout in the WWE umbrella, even if he's stuck being a cruiserweight or something.


**spoiler over**


Paddlefoot - 7-13-2017 at 01:34 PM

* talk is that there's backstage heat on Enzo and Big Cass, for different reasons: Enzo apparently had some kind of "incident" on a tour bus last month that resulted in Roman Reigns having the vehicle stopped and Enzo kicked off of it, and it's been followed up by Enzo getting the "Miz treatment" at shows where he's not allowed to dress in the locker room and has to do it in the hall instead; Enzo's also apparently been fairly vocal about being broken up with Cass; Big Cass though is in milder heat because apparently he's a big Trump supporter, and allegedly most of the other performers aren't, and has been rubbing people the wrong way when he decides to talk politics


CCharger - 7-13-2017 at 01:46 PM

* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


Slade - 7-13-2017 at 01:49 PM

And that's why Enzo and Big Cass were split up. It punishes Enzo for whatever infraction of the WWE code of ethics he's done and it rewards Big Cass for supporting Vince's best friend.

I'm surprised more of these guys didn't think to just blab on and on about how much they love Donald Trump, even if they loathe him, as it is probably the easiest way to bet approved for a massive push to the top from Vince.


Flash - 7-13-2017 at 02:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* talk is that there's backstage heat on Enzo and Big Cass, for different reasons: Enzo apparently had some kind of "incident" on a tour bus last month that resulted in Roman Reigns having the vehicle stopped and Enzo kicked off of it


It's funny to think that Reigns is now THE locker room guy... I mean I know the top guy usually has the stroke with Vince and management, but if this rumour is true then it would imply he also largely calls the shots in the locker room as well.

I know there will always be this frat mentality to the WWE, but with bullying, HR issues, the last of the old territory guys being gone and all that other nonsense I'd kinda figured that stuff like this was largely gone, or at least fading.


williamssl - 7-13-2017 at 03:33 PM

If real life Enzo is anything like wrestler Enzo, he deserves all the shit they give him and then some.


DKBroiler - 7-13-2017 at 03:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
If real life Enzo is anything like wrestler Enzo, he deserves all the shit they give him and then some.


Enzo is everything that's right about the world.

Go Jersey!


punkerhardcore - 7-13-2017 at 04:04 PM

quote:
According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the talent for WWE’s Mae Young Classic features talent age 20 through 36. The company has brought in women with a wide variety of looks, backgrounds, body types and ranging from very experienced to not experienced at all. There are some within the company that “believe that WWE women all have to be hot,” and are not happy with all of the choices. These people feel that a lot of the women brought in weren’t good looking enough for WWE standards. The company feels that the audience now reacts better to strong performers than hot women who are there for nothing other than being hot. Those within the company have noted that the newer approach over the last year or so have led to stronger quarter hour ratings than in the days of Kelly Kelly & Maryse wrestling.



Well jeez, I wonder who THAT could possibly be.


janerd75 - 7-13-2017 at 05:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


As a wrasslin' fan I guess that would be interesting along with a scant few thousand others that may think the same way. I'm always desperate to get that vibe of, "OMG, I can't believe THAT PERSON showed up on WWE teevee!". But not only are there millions aaaaaand millions of people that have no idea who the fuck she is, but I'm guessing Dixie wouldn't be shooting on TNA in any way, shape, or form so what would be the point?

It's one thing for A.J., Joe, and even Kurt to come over with no mention of where they were plying their trade for the last ten years. But Dixie was essentially the low rent Bischoff/Heyman of TNA for quite a while. I'm not opposed to it, but I don't see why Vince would let her do an angle with Angle if running down and/or even acknowledging TNA isn't even on the table, because why would it be?

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
If real life Enzo is anything like wrestler Enzo, he deserves all the shit they give him and then some.


Enzo is everything that's right about the world.

Go Jersey!


Reported for hate speech. I...I thought you was cool, man.



This is everything that's right about the world.


Count Zero - 7-13-2017 at 06:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slade
And that's why Enzo and Big Cass were split up. It punishes Enzo for whatever infraction of the WWE code of ethics he's done and it rewards Big Cass for supporting Vince's best friend.

I'm surprised more of these guys didn't think to just blab on and on about how much they love Donald Trump, even if they loathe him, as it is probably the easiest way to bet approved for a massive push to the top from Vince.
This is incredibly cynical.


.....And probably more than a little true.


DKBroiler - 7-13-2017 at 08:32 PM

Janny my friend, let's have a little talk.

There are actually 2 New Jerseys, North Jersey and South Jersey. North Jersey is EXACTLY the New Jersey you're thinking of. South Jersey, on the contrary is actually a pretty chill area filled with farms, and forests for the hundred miles between the Camden and Atlantic City hell holes. That's my Jersey.

Enzo, and those like Enzo, hail from North Jersey or New York. Do you remember all those shitheads from The Jersey Shore? They were all New Yorkers. To be honest I know exactly zero people with individually spiked hair or Ed Hardy shirts.

Also, all of the shitty northeasterners who ruin Florida ... New Yorkers.

Take my word man, Enzo isn't the problem. It's Cass. New Yorkers ruin everything.


Adding: Carmella is actually the most realistic NJ/NY character. I know 10000 less hot versions of Carmella but, again, most of them are from New York.

[Edited on 7-13-2017 by DKBroiler]


Paddlefoot - 7-13-2017 at 09:31 PM

I keep in mind that the entire area stands-in for Gotham City in Batman and that when Joker yelled out "this town needs an enema!" truer words have never been spoken before or since.

Ben Franklin, inventor of racism, died on his chamber pot. His last words were: I hate Philadelphia and hope no one thinks Im from there

— Dolphin Pilot (@TheAmitie) November 20, 2016



[Edited on 7/13/2017 by Paddlefoot]


bopol - 7-13-2017 at 09:41 PM

Of the many things that are dumb about breaking up Enzo and Cass, I would say these are the top 2.

1) They are a perfect little guy-big guy tag team. Enzo could play babyface in peril, Cass the big enforcer. Or, on the heel side, Enzo the smart ass that can't back it up and Cass the enforcer. But the WWE doesn't care about tag teams, so...

2) Enzo would be perfect as Cass's mouthpiece. Think Paul Heyman with the added ability to get into the match and take bumps. You could easily have the tag matches before the PPV with Enzo taking the fall without hurting Cass. You could use them as a tag team at house shows to not put mileage on Cass.

Really a lack of imagination and using both these guys to their strengths while covering up their weaknesses.


williamssl - 7-13-2017 at 09:58 PM

Anyone defending Enzo is 100% responsible for Enzo being a thing that WWE determined was worth TV time and needs, as punishment, to be forced to spend 2 weeks with him nonstop 24/7.

And you need to do selfies every 30 minutes so we can see the gradual progression from whatever starting point of sanity you are at to drooling crazed pulling out hair insane person that you become.

Betting will be on what point that the transition fully occurred at.

Go.

My bet is at the 2 hour mark. I think I'm being way too conservative.


bopol - 7-13-2017 at 10:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Anyone defending Enzo is 100% responsible for Enzo being a thing that WWE determined was worth TV time and needs, as punishment, to be forced to spend 2 weeks with him nonstop 24/7.

And you need to do selfies every 30 minutes so we can see the gradual progression from whatever starting point of sanity you are at to drooling crazed pulling out hair insane person that you become.

Betting will be on what point that the transition fully occurred at.

Go.

My bet is at the 2 hour mark. I think I'm being way too conservative.


Shit. I don't want to spend 2 weeks straight with anyone but my wife and I doubt she wants to spend that much time with me. I think Enzo is fun with the caveat that he can become overexposed really quickly and should be used in short doses properly. Of course, this is usually a problem with wrestling programs in general, but WWE in particular, because of the need to fill 5 hours a week in programming.


williamssl - 7-13-2017 at 10:03 PM

Enzo's point of overexposure is 1 second.


Paddlefoot - 7-13-2017 at 10:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the talent for WWE’s Mae Young Classic features talent age 20 through 36. The company has brought in women with a wide variety of looks, backgrounds, body types and ranging from very experienced to not experienced at all. There are some within the company that “believe that WWE women all have to be hot,” and are not happy with all of the choices. These people feel that a lot of the women brought in weren’t good looking enough for WWE standards. The company feels that the audience now reacts better to strong performers than hot women who are there for nothing other than being hot. Those within the company have noted that the newer approach over the last year or so have led to stronger quarter hour ratings than in the days of Kelly Kelly & Maryse wrestling.



Well jeez, I wonder who THAT could possibly be.




And what a studly man-man creature of beauty he is himself. Fucking goddamn rat-faced wet stain of a person couldn't get laid in a whorehouse even if he had a fistful of fifties.


janerd75 - 7-13-2017 at 11:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Janny my friend, let's have a little talk.

Jamoke Jabroni Goomba Kevin Smith BRUUUUCE slop jalop apologist

Adding: Carmella is actually the most realistic NJ/NY character. I know 10000 less hot versions of Carmella but, again, most of them are from New York.




Thank you for the info, Broiler. I will transmit this information to Vladimir A.S.A.P. Just a heads up but you, uh, might want to take a vacation soon.

Also, when they get the band back together, Enzo, Cass, and Cahmelluh would make for an excellent heel stable.


Paddlefoot - 7-14-2017 at 12:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75Thank you for the info, Broiler. I will transmit this information to Vladimir A.S.A.P. Just a heads up but you, uh, might want to take a vacation soon.


Suck on THAT, Allentown!


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-14-2017 at 12:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
It's funny to think that Reigns is now THE locker room guy... I mean I know the top guy usually has the stroke with Vince and management, but if this rumour is true then it would imply he also largely calls the shots in the locker room as well.



That would just make him *a* locker room guy, though, wouldn't it? I mean, the Miz story has him catch heat from Chris Benoit, who was one of the big figures backstage but not as big as the Undertaker or JBL.


GodEatGod - 7-14-2017 at 01:20 AM

I like Enzo. I certainly like him way better than Big Cass, who seems like he's just...y'know, tall. I'll take annoying over boring anytime in wrestling.


DKBroiler - 7-14-2017 at 01:37 AM

Only 3rd degree burns at my place huh? I'll roll the dice. Saves some money on the tanning bed ... oh god no ... I just came from the gym ... and ... and ... I'M DOING LAUNDRY!?!?!


NOoooooooooOooooooaoooooooooooooooaidsoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!


punkerhardcore - 7-14-2017 at 03:02 AM

Poor Enzo is just a victim of his own success. He obviously has the charisma to branch out into much more than they've allowed him to be. You can tell a portion of the audience was started to turn on him... but then a huge portion is still happy to parrot his opening schtick along with him, so he's forced to do it week after week. It wasn't nearly as bad on NXT, when you'd only hear it once per month or so. But yeah, it gets tiresome hearing the same damn thing week after week.

He's the Red Hot Chili Peppers of the WWE. Like, I know you guys can do a lot more, so I don't need to fucking hear Give It Away ever again.


CCharger - 7-14-2017 at 04:33 AM

The Enzo/Cass break up would have been easier to swallow if Enzo was the one who turned heel rather than Cass


janerd75 - 7-14-2017 at 06:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Only 3rd degree burns at my place huh? I'll roll the dice. Saves some money on the tanning bed ... oh god no ... I just came from the gym ... and ... and ... I'M DOING LAUNDRY!?!?!

NOoooooooooOooooooaoooooooooooooooaidsoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!


Aww DeeK, I can't stay mad a yinz n' youse guys and your delicious Cheesesteak products. I will re-transmit your new coordinate information to Vladimir and maybe he can help track down and bring the real turrists to justice.

And now to cross the streams, here's audio of the Alberto/Paige incident from Enzo's youtube channel where he actually has a few comments in the comments section about the situation.

Extra Special Grotesque Takeaway From The Audio: Right after Alberto says, "Shut up", it sounds like he smacks her and says, "Let's go, I'm following you", the lady (I think the one that recorded it, could have been someone in the background) tells him solemnly, "Don't follow her..." and then in a split fucking second changes her tone to all cheery and says, "I'm a huge fan, by the way." Fucking hell, lady...



[Edited on 7-14-2017 by janerd75]


CCharger - 7-14-2017 at 02:22 PM

* As has been reported before, Vince is gearing up for Cena/Reigns at Wrestlemania as a "passing of the torch" match, but now the rumors are that Cena will be going in as champion.


williamssl - 7-14-2017 at 02:47 PM

...which adds to the build narrative = Reigns facing the all-time record holder for # of world titles.

Or rat her replaces the Brock one of "the only 2 to have beaten the UT at WM" which presumably would have already happened.


Flash - 7-14-2017 at 03:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* As has been reported before, Vince is gearing up for Cena/Reigns at Wrestlemania as a "passing of the torch" match, but now the rumors are that Cena will be going in as champion.


If they do that then I think the WWE is missing out on a really great story to tell at WM of having Cena beat Flair's record.... that's something that's tailor made for a big stage like WM, and should come at the culmination of some kind of big story like Cena losing out after a couple of tries to some major heel (Reigns really would be the perfect guy for this)... maybe putting his career on the line in the WM match and finally winning. Yeah it's not original, but it's that kind of feel good story that even the most cynical would still say "hey, good job Cena".

To basically give Cena his record breaking title reign at an off PPV just with the intent of feeding him to Reigns is garbage, and isn't going to do Reigns any favours either... I mean does it feel like anything changed when he beat Taker? You can do Reigns vs Cena at any point down the line as an attraction match- looking past a big achievement (albeit in a "fake" sport) just to make kids choose between their two heroes is hot garbage.


The Greek - 7-14-2017 at 04:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* As has been reported before, Vince is gearing up for Cena/Reigns at Wrestlemania as a "passing of the torch" match, but now the rumors are that Cena will be going in as champion.


If they do that then I think the WWE is missing out on a really great story to tell at WM of having Cena beat Flair's record.... that's something that's tailor made for a big stage like WM, and should come at the culmination of some kind of big story like Cena losing out after a couple of tries to some major heel (Reigns really would be the perfect guy for this)... maybe putting his career on the line in the WM match and finally winning. Yeah it's not original, but it's that kind of feel good story that even the most cynical would still say "hey, good job Cena".

To basically give Cena his record breaking title reign at an off PPV just with the intent of feeding him to Reigns is garbage, and isn't going to do Reigns any favours either... I mean does it feel like anything changed when he beat Taker? You can do Reigns vs Cena at any point down the line as an attraction match- looking past a big achievement (albeit in a "fake" sport) just to make kids choose between their two heroes is hot garbage.



THIS


royberto - 7-14-2017 at 07:41 PM

Talking Smack has been cancelled as a regular show and will only take place after Smackdown PPV's:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/talking-smack-cancelled-as-regular-series/


DKBroiler - 7-14-2017 at 11:13 PM

Well if we get Cena vs Reigns at least after 15 years we'll finally hear what a 100% pro Cena crowd sounds like.


First 9 - 7-15-2017 at 01:15 AM

Oddly enough, the last time we got a heavy pro-Cena crowd was against The Rock.


Chris Is Good517 - 7-15-2017 at 03:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


There's a batshit crazy rumor floating around (and I give this a virtual zero percent chance of happening, though it would be awesome) that the big "secret" is that it will be revealed that Jason Jordan is Angle's illegitimate son, that Corey Graves knows this because of his NXT connections, and that Chad Gable latched himself into Jordan because he knew and wanted to get to use Jordan as a chance to become Angle's protégé. Again, I'm certain there's nothing to this but if it was done properly it could be a really fun few weeks of storytelling.


Matte - 7-15-2017 at 03:53 AM

There's also a rumor that the Angle story is going to be extremely similar to the AJ/Claire story in TNA, with Angle as AJ and Dixie as Claire. Oh, and this rumor supposedly comes from Eric Bischoff with inside information.


Paddlefoot - 7-15-2017 at 04:28 AM

Can current WWE scripting make this turn out to be as embarrassing a failure as the original AJ/Claire story was in TNA? Hmm.....


punkerhardcore - 7-15-2017 at 04:43 AM

They should just air the Paige fuck tape, with Angle's face superimposed over Brad Maddox's.


Flash - 7-15-2017 at 04:53 AM

The Dixie thing is a bit curious if true; I mean getting a legit interview is one thing for the wrestling history books; but to use her as an onscreen character is a bit baffling.

I mean good on Vince for being willing to work with any former competitor if it is good for business, but the difference between WCW and TNA is that 1) when he used Bischoff WCW was already long in ground, and 2) Bischoff was extremely front and centre in a product that was at least for a time bigger than the WWF, and had (inter) national media exposure.... TNA, not so much.... honestly I'm a big wrestling fan and for the first year or two Dixie was around I thought she was that actress off of Designing Women.

Yeah TNA isn't exactly on the same level as the WWE, but at a time when your own ratings are lagging do you want even one person to go "hey, what's this TNA thing?" I get it, most wrestling fans know at least something about TNA; as evidenced by the near instant success that guys like AJ and Joe are having; but on a move the dial, or this is a story we must tell scale I just don't see Dixie anywhere in that formula... yeah it'd be surreal for Dixie to bump into a Joe, or Styles, or Angle backstage for a little moment, but I think you're going to have more than a few audience members going who's that lady.

I'm all for them using her for the interviews, as I think any time you can get a complete sense of wrestling history together it's worth the risk to the company as in that case the greater sense of a full historical record eclipses a few people Googling TNA... and while Dixie might be on tap to record some stuff for some kind of Kurt Angle special I also fully expect that they'll grab a few sound bytes on AJ, Joe, Christian, and whomever else for the vault.

So now that we've had Sting, AJ, Joe and now (seemingly) Dixie* in the WWE is there any left out there in terms of that great white whale that you'd never figure on seeing in the WWE? I mean half the roster is full of Indy guys from a years back that we all said never in the WWE... I googled a quick list of top talent working now who haven't wrestled in the WWE and there's some names out there I've heard of (bucks, Ricchochet, Kenny Omega... ect) but aren't exactly huge names outside of Indy wrestling fans... and also guys that at this point you'd probably figure will eventually wind up in the WWE.

*Dixie is not exactly a whale in the sense that Sting was; but she ran the number 2 wrestling competition in main stream wrestling for many years, so she gets bumped up a bit.


Paddlefoot - 7-15-2017 at 05:00 AM

The last one of any (self-proclaimed) significance from the old days would be Vince Russo. I imagine it would cause a splash of some kind (mostly negative though) if he were to return to WWE in some kind of a creative capacity. He'd be about the last one though. The only other real major shock out there to maybe happen one day would be if Martha Hart finally signed off on Owen going into the HOF and allowing WWE to do the memorial DVD sets and get his matches and promos into circulation on the Network.


GodEatGod - 7-15-2017 at 05:09 AM

Dixie would mean nothing to most fans. It would be a mixture of "Who?' and "ugh". Let's not forget that Dixie may be a nice lady, but she's really, really terrible in any sort of promo or performance capacity. She is bad at this. The one percent of the audience that would be thrilled at the forbidden allure of her participation would not be worth the pain of watching her stumble around with a microphone trying to sell the story.

I don't even know if Russo would matter now. Maybe if you pulled him around Mania, when the crowds are smark-heavy, but even his onscreen time in WCW was a LONG time ago (and again, he wasn't exactly beloved or good).


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-15-2017 at 01:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
There's also a rumor that the Angle story is going to be extremely similar to the AJ/Claire story in TNA, with Angle as AJ and Dixie as Claire. Oh, and this rumor supposedly comes from Eric Bischoff with inside information.


Didn't WWE already try to rip off that god-awful angle with Daniel Bryan and Brie Bella in 2014? Considering how quickly they decided to weasel out of it, I can't imagine them trying again.


Thom - 7-15-2017 at 07:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
They should just air the Paige fuck tape, with Angle's face superimposed over Brad Maddox'sthe NXT Women's Belt.



Fixed for "go big or go home" mentality.


salmonjunkie - 7-16-2017 at 06:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash

Yeah TNA isn't exactly on the same level as the WWE, but at a time when your own ratings are lagging do you want even one person to go "hey, what's this TNA thing?"


I don't think they care anymore, since TNA is dead. There's this other thing called GFW now that they can pretend doesn't exist...


rranddm - 7-16-2017 at 10:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash

So now that we've had Sting, AJ, Joe and now (seemingly) Dixie* in the WWE is there any left out there in terms of that great white whale that you'd never figure on seeing in the WWE? I mean half the roster is full of Indy guys from a years back that we all said never in the WWE... I googled a quick list of top talent working now who haven't wrestled in the WWE and there's some names out there I've heard of (bucks, Ricchochet, Kenny Omega... ect) but aren't exactly huge names outside of Indy wrestling fans... and also guys that at this point you'd probably figure will eventually wind up in the WWE.
quote]

Jeff Jarrett will be a retiree in a wheelchair before we see him on WWE tv ever again.


PB-13 - 7-16-2017 at 11:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


There's a batshit crazy rumor floating around (and I give this a virtual zero percent chance of happening, though it would be awesome) that the big "secret" is that it will be revealed that Jason Jordan is Angle's illegitimate son, that Corey Graves knows this because of his NXT connections, and that Chad Gable latched himself into Jordan because he knew and wanted to get to use Jordan as a chance to become Angle's protégé. Again, I'm certain there's nothing to this but if it was done properly it could be a really fun few weeks of storytelling.


I'd heard the same rumor only with Gable as the son; Alpha had been conspicuously absent from TV lately (particularly Jordan).

Of course when it comes to illegitimate-child payoffs, it's hard to top the big one:


First 9 - 7-17-2017 at 02:21 AM

What would be a good but non-batshit crazyreveal for this story?

The way it's set up it almost has to be an over the top revelation. Ruin Kurt Angle's career and have his family leave him?


anglefan85 - 7-17-2017 at 04:53 PM

And the plot thickens:

quote:
World Association of Wrestling (WAW) - the promotion owned by Paige's family - have announced that their world title, previously held by Alberto El Patron, has been declared vacant.

They wrote the following:

The WAW Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship has been declared vacant at last night’s Academy Show in Costessey, following a unanimous decision by the WAW Championship Committee. The WAWCC’s decision was announced by Zak Knight but no information was revealed regarding the crowning of a new champion. Since the announcement several individuals have announced their desire to compete for the title. Both European Heavyweight Champion Robin Lekime and British Heavyweight Champion Aaron Sharp have already revealed their desire to add more gold to their repertoire, as well as former World Heavyweight Champion Brad Slayer and former European Heavyweight Champion King Kendo. With four of WAW’s top competitors already eyeing up the most prestigious title will anyone else step forward in the hope of gaining public support?

A 32 man tournament has been announced to determine a new Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion over the course of the rest of 2017 with the final taking place at Epic Studios, Norwich in December. The entrants into this tournament will be deliberated by the WAWCC over the coming weeks before brackets are announced.

Perhaps telling of their relationship at the moment, the news article from the website doesn't even mention Alberto by name.


royberto - 7-17-2017 at 05:29 PM

WWE posted a preview of the new "Table for 3" airing tonight. It features the Nation of Domination and they are surprised with gifts from The Rock.



If you remember the last time The Rock gave gifts to his fellow Nation of Domination mates, you know where this is going.


CCharger - 7-18-2017 at 12:10 AM

I don't get this whole idea that WWE fans don't know anything about TNA.

Did they pop when AJ Styles came out at the Rumble. Yup.

Did they know who Samoa Joe was when he debuted in NXT. Yup.

Booby Roode. Yup.

Austin Aires? Yup.

Like, do you think that WWE fans are dumb? Or live in a vaccum-sealed bubble?


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-18-2017 at 01:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I don't get this whole idea that WWE fans don't know anything about TNA.

Did they pop when AJ Styles came out at the Rumble. Yup.

Did they know who Samoa Joe was when he debuted in NXT. Yup.

Booby Roode. Yup.

Austin Aires? Yup.

Like, do you think that WWE fans are dumb? Or live in a vaccum-sealed bubble?


Except for AJ Styles, who was arguably the biggest non-WWE wrestler in the world at the point he showed up, all those guys debuted in NXT, which is notoriously full of die-hard superfans. I mean, half the point of sending proven commodities such as Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode and Austin Aries to NXT first is to slowly introduce them to the main-roster audience so their debuts have the appropriate, er, impact.

I mean, there's a halfway decent chance that, if WWE were to toss Dixie Carter out there as part of Kurt Angle's secret, the live crowd might pop for it. But there's a good chance the audience following at home wouldn't recognize her, and wouldn't give a crap about whatever explanation WWE gives for her involvement (since you know WWE's not just going to straight-up say she used to run TNA). And even with the live crowd, you're not going to get the reaction you'd get from a Styles or Joe, because I would endeavor to say the superfans who know and love Styles and Joe probably loathe Carter, and not in the optimal "heel heat" way.


Chris Is Good517 - 7-18-2017 at 02:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I don't get this whole idea that WWE fans don't know anything about TNA.

Did they pop when AJ Styles came out at the Rumble. Yup.

Did they know who Samoa Joe was when he debuted in NXT. Yup.

Booby Roode. Yup.

Austin Aires? Yup.

Like, do you think that WWE fans are dumb? Or live in a vaccum-sealed bubble?


TNA doesn't really get credit for 3 out of your 4 examples because Joe, Aries, and especially Styles were names outside of that promotion before they ever went to work there. And Roode benefitted from getting to be introduced to the company through the typically smark heavy NXT crowd. I don't think it's a stretch to say if Roode had just randomly debuted on an episode of Smackdown that he wouldn't have gotten anything approaching that reception (I was at Money in the Bank and experienced the "who the fuck is this?" reaction for Mike Bennett firsthand).

I know it's fun to bash TNA for bashing TNA's sake, but in this case I think it's a fair assumption that 80-90% of the audience at any given main roster show might be aware of TNA's existence but will have little to absolutely no familiarity with the product. I'm a smart fan and I barely bother to keep up with it. Like I don't even go online and read about it unless there's a headline about them doing something exceptionally dumb. So I don't think Johnny Casualfan and his 11 year-old son in the crowd for Raw are going to be well-informed on TNA.


Paddlefoot - 7-18-2017 at 02:53 AM

Can Dixie credibly take credit for AJ Styles after he's been publicly critical of TNA over the way things were run there when Hogan was brought in, how their home-grown talent was pushed aside for WWE cast-offs, and that they (in his opinion) didn't bother to try very hard to re-sign him before he went to ROH/Japan? Whatever TNA did right is really long in the past and they deserved every bit of criticism for their self-destructive management that they engaged in for most of the last decade. That TNA didn't immediately improve after Dixie was no longer in charge only proves that Jeff Jarrett and Ed Nordholm are a couple of dickheads too, not that Dixie was some kind of talent-development genius.


williamssl - 7-18-2017 at 02:55 AM

We've had this debate at least once before. Nothing has changed since the last one. Ccharger is on the losing side of the debate.


Closed.

Next rumorzzzz plz


royberto - 7-18-2017 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* Speculation is heating up that Kurt Angle's "secret" will somehow involve Dixie Carter. RAW will be live from Nashville next week, and Dixie has been playing coy about the possibility on Twitter.


There's a batshit crazy rumor floating around (and I give this a virtual zero percent chance of happening, though it would be awesome) that the big "secret" is that it will be revealed that Jason Jordan is Angle's illegitimate son, that Corey Graves knows this because of his NXT connections, and that Chad Gable latched himself into Jordan because he knew and wanted to get to use Jordan as a chance to become Angle's protégé. Again, I'm certain there's nothing to this but if it was done properly it could be a really fun few weeks of storytelling.
Not so batshit crazy now is it?


Slick - 7-19-2017 at 06:46 PM

Wow, just saw on the local news Shane McMahon giving an interview after the private helicopter he was in had to make an emergency landing in the water off Long Island!

He and the pilot had no injuries!

http://abc7ny.com/news/helicopter-carrying-shane-mcmahon-makes-emergency-landing/2233003/


janerd75 - 7-19-2017 at 07:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slick
Wow, just saw on the local news Shane McMahon giving an interview after the private helicopter he was in had to make an emergency landing in the water off Long Island!

He and the pilot had no injuries!

http://abc7ny.com/news/helicopter-carrying-shane-mcmahon-makes-emergency-landing/2233003/


That was a nice effort Jesus, but if you're calling any of the McMahons home you should aim for the other kid.


anglefan85 - 7-19-2017 at 07:05 PM

That was all over the local news here. Good to hear that nobody got hurt.

On a side note, though:

quote:
The OPD are now mulling over charging Paige for Battery (Domestic Violence) over the incident.

www.prowrestlingsheet.com/police-suggest-paige-charged-battery-airport-incident-state-attorney-reviewing-case/#.WW-c23PTXqB


CCharger - 7-19-2017 at 07:07 PM

Brock Lesnar is reportedly considering a return to the UFC, and wants to drop the title at SummerSlam to facilitate that.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/blakeoestriecher/2017/07/19/brock-lesnar-reportedly-seeking-ufc-return-set-to-drop-wwe-universal-title-at-summerslam/#64b cc82d4002


Paddlefoot - 7-19-2017 at 09:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
That was all over the local news here. Good to hear that nobody got hurt.

On a side note, though:

quote:
The OPD are now mulling over charging Paige for Battery (Domestic Violence) over the incident.

www.prowrestlingsheet.com/police-suggest-paige-charged-battery-airport-incident-state-attorney-reviewing-case/#.WW-c23PTXqB



Good to see that Florida's slow transition into Gilead under the watchful gaze of GOP Talibaptist social conservatives will ensure that no matter how many beatings a woman receives from a full-grown male she'll be the first one charged if she breaks down or gets uppity in public.


First 9 - 7-19-2017 at 10:19 PM

Goddamn does Lesnar have a sweet deal. Paid millions, so protected that not even the golden child has beaten you, and he can fuck off whenever he wants to.


SpiNNeR72 - 7-20-2017 at 12:22 AM

Yeah. Sweet to be sure but get real. He is potentially saying fuck the sweet deal to get back in the Octagon against a real fighter (not that he isn't, don't get me wrong) which can risk it all.

Fair play Brock, you're a unique guy in this crazy crossover world. And what a fucking amazing friend to have in Heyman who means that if its true and you do go back to UFC, even if you lose he will make it mean more money for both of you in WWE.

Kudos for keeping it real dude.


CCharger - 7-20-2017 at 12:52 AM

The cynic in me thinks this might be a ploy by Lesnar and his camp to squeeze more money out of Vince.


williamssl - 7-20-2017 at 02:19 AM

Becuase his $12M for 2016 isn't enough and Cena was in striking distance at $8M.


Ecosystem - 7-20-2017 at 02:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517

TNA doesn't really get credit for 3 out of your 4 examples because Joe, Aries, and especially Styles were names outside of that promotion before they ever went to work there. And Roode benefitted from getting to be introduced to the company through the typically smark heavy NXT crowd. I don't think it's a stretch to say if Roode had just randomly debuted on an episode of Smackdown that he wouldn't have gotten anything approaching that reception (I was at Money in the Bank and experienced the "who the fuck is this?" reaction for Mike Bennett firsthand).


I'll bite on the narrow point - how was AJ Styles not more established by TNA than ROH (I assume the other option, rather than his minute in WCW)? I'll buy that Joe and Aries had looooong ROH World Championship reigns before their significant TNA time - though frankly, I still don't buy that no-national-TV ROH made anyone a name comparable to 2008 TNA-on-Spike. But TNA was promoting AJ Styles heavily from 2002 forward, no?


GodEatGod - 7-20-2017 at 06:31 AM

Yeah, AJ was pretty much the franchise of TNA for a long while, almost the equivalent to them as Sting was to WCW. Which is what made people who'd followed the promotion for the long haul even more mystified and angered when Dixie lowballed him and drove him out of the fed a few years back.

Joe established himself in RoH, but probably got wider exposure in TNA and his feud with Angle there is certainly one of the signature feuds of his career. Again, they completely bungled him but they pretty much bungled everything from the Hogan/Bischoff era on, with a few rare bright spots here and there.

Aries is definitely more of an RoH guy - he only had a brief run as a main eventer in TNA, although his run there was very entertaining, whether it was the X title or tag teaming with Bobby Roode. But his most famous TNA moment is probably when he notoriously humped Christy Hemme's face with his sweaty balls because he's an enormous douchebag.

Question: does anyone think Lashley would be a big deal if WWE somehow brought him back? He's treated as a huge dominant beast in TNA now, but I never really saw him that way and he was in WWE at a time when I wasn't paying close attention.


Paddlefoot - 7-20-2017 at 08:48 AM

TNA did handle Lashley better by allowing him to become a near-monster heel, especially the way they had him go around collecting all the belts he could from the sheer destruction of the previous title holders. They really expanded the scope of what he's capable of and he's matured enough as a performer since he left WWE that he was able to really run with the gimmick. If he went back to WWE he'd probably be pigeon-holed again as a permanent face just because of that nice-guy aw-shucks sort of facial features he has; Bayley is probably permanently stuck in the face role too because of the same thing. He's probably better off in GFW or somewhere else because these days WWE just would be able to summon the creativity to think up something new for him besides the role of kind-hearted well-meaning lug he's already done.

* for what it's worth, coming from an outfit that's more full of shit than pro boxing was under Don King, UFC is denying the reports that Lesnar has applied to return to their ranks in 2018 after his WWE contract expires


G. Jonah Jameson - 7-20-2017 at 11:13 AM

Isn't Brock Lesnar on some kind of double-secret probation with UFC because of that drug test he failed last year? I thought he couldn't go back there for a hell of a long time.


Gobshite - 7-20-2017 at 11:57 AM

UFC need to sell PPV's, they'll have him back as soon as they can, same as John Jones. Lesnar is suspended at present, his 1 year suspension from last year was suspended when he retired in February. If he wrote to UFC and NSAC to say he's un retiring, his suspension re-starts, and he'd be ready to go again in December/January.

UNLESS - it's Nevada that banned him, and although they all typically hold up other states deciosions, the corrupt NYC commission allowed him to fight at MSG in November anyway.

I don't see Vince offering Lesnar mega money like he did 3 years ago. He's not proving to be a draw any more.


CamstunPWG187 - 7-20-2017 at 02:35 PM

I just don't see the point of Lesnar doing it. He needed to take Hunt to the distance last year, and Hunt is one of the older dogs in the UFC scene. Maybe Lesnar just needs to get knocked out one more time to realize he isn't gonna steamroll guys anymore, let alone be a champion again.

What Lesnar should worry about, if he's prideful of doing the best he can, is to start having awesome matches again. Man, he's capable of so much more in the ring, and he could have some classics with some guys if he really wanted to.


First 9 - 7-20-2017 at 03:29 PM

A lot of old fighters who already made millions always seem to come back for underwhelming performances. They just seem to enjoy the adrenaline of stepping into a fight it seems. Hell, for some guys it's all about going the distance with just a glimmer of hope of actually winning.


It's not like there's any shame in losing to a top 10 HW(which is likely what Brock would face again).


royberto - 7-20-2017 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by anglefan85
That was all over the local news here. Good to hear that nobody got hurt.

On a side note, though:

quote:
The OPD are now mulling over charging Paige for Battery (Domestic Violence) over the incident.

www.prowrestlingsheet.com/police-suggest-paige-charged-battery-airport-incident-state-attorney-reviewing-case/#.WW-c23PTXqB



Good to see that Florida's slow transition into Gilead under the watchful gaze of GOP Talibaptist social conservatives will ensure that no matter how many beatings a woman receives from a full-grown male she'll be the first one charged if she breaks down or gets uppity in public.
You are aware that Paige getting charged doesn't preclude Alberto from getting charged right? Nah, you want to go on one of your far left bullshit rants.


Paddlefoot - 7-20-2017 at 05:37 PM

Yeah? Well, I had sex with your wife!


CamstunPWG187 - 7-20-2017 at 06:57 PM

Yeah well, the jerk store just called....


janerd75 - 7-20-2017 at 08:46 PM


Matte - 7-20-2017 at 10:13 PM

royberto needs an avatar. I nominate this.



As someone who's been on royberto's side on several occasions (mostly when he's accused of trolling in situations where he's not actually trolling), I think he should embrace the bOOard gimmick that's been bestowed on him. Imagining him as Carrey and reason-and-logic as Daniels (regardless of what roy, myself, or anybody else here thinks about the comparison) makes it pretty funny.


Paddlefoot - 7-21-2017 at 12:32 AM

Give him the custom status of Squeak "Little Bitch" Scolari while you're at it too.



[Edited on 7/21/2017 by Paddlefoot]


janerd75 - 7-21-2017 at 01:10 AM


CCharger - 7-21-2017 at 08:47 PM

* John Cena says his WWE days "are numbered" and seemed to imply he was ready to pass the torch to the next generation.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722794-john-cena-says-his-days-are-numbered-as-wwe-superstar?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=e ditorial


bopol - 7-21-2017 at 09:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* John Cena says his WWE days "are numbered" and seemed to imply he was ready to pass the torch to the next generation.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722794-john-cena-says-his-days-are-numbered-as-wwe-superstar?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=e ditorial


Good news for Roman Reigns


First 9 - 7-21-2017 at 10:52 PM

Just something that popped into my head. There's been a barrage of news the last few weeks about how WWE sees Joe as a long time Main Eventer, when and where Roman vs Brock will take place, the different possibilities for RAW's WM Title Match. Every week we get something about RAW's Main Event scene

What about SD? Feels like the last insight was rumors of Vince wanting to do AJ vs Nakamura at WM and that was like 2-3 months ago. When is AJ jumping back into the Main Event scene, what are the other rumors for SD's WM Main Event, when the fuck is Jinder dropping the Title?

Is the lack of dirt sheet speculation regarding the Blue Brand reflect how little planning goes into it or is Road Dogg just better at keeping things quiet?


the goon - 7-22-2017 at 12:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Just something that popped into my head. There's been a barrage of news the last few weeks about how WWE sees Joe as a long time Main Eventer, when and where Roman vs Brock will take place, the different possibilities for RAW's WM Title Match. Every week we get something about RAW's Main Event scene

What about SD? Feels like the last insight was rumors of Vince wanting to do AJ vs Nakamura at WM and that was like 2-3 months ago. When is AJ jumping back into the Main Event scene, what are the other rumors for SD's WM Main Event, when the fuck is Jinder dropping the Title?

Is the lack of dirt sheet speculation regarding the Blue Brand reflect how little planning goes into it or is Road Dogg just better at keeping things quiet?


I have no answers, but I really can't stand the WWE title picture right now on Smackdown. You've got Jinder Mahal as champion, Randy Orton in the title picture non-stop since before WrestleMania, and the looming threat of WWE champion Baron Corbin at any time. Not to mention that AJ was killing it as WWE champion and was way over, so what does the WWE do? Take the belt off of him so that it can transition from Cena to Bray to Orton to Mahal in the span of a few months.

Hopefully things improve by WrestleMania time, but I can't say I'm too excited for AJ, Nakamura, Owens, etc potentially being WWE champion when it probably means they'll just be dropping it to Corbin when he cashes in his MITB shot. I say just let Corbin take the belt off of Mahal, so that we can get WWE champion Baron Corbin out of the way.


GodEatGod - 7-22-2017 at 01:17 AM

Mostly I like to just pretend the US and WWE titles are switched between their two feuds. Jinder/Orton would be SO much more tolerable as a midcard act. I mean, it would still suck, but it would stick in the craw less.

Corbin's just grist in the mill, something to drag out the story. I don't even hate him as much as some do, but with all indications of Nakamura/AJ being the long-term plan, he's a bug in the system. I'd say AJ beats Jinder, Baron cashes in on Styles, cheats to keep it and eventually drops it to Nakamura then AJ wins the Rumble? You could easily reverse AJ and Nakamura's places and get the same result, but I'd rather AJ get the Rumble win.

Hopefully, Jinder's back to losing the Andre battle royal by WM.


the goon - 7-22-2017 at 01:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Mostly I like to just pretend the US and WWE titles are switched between their two feuds. Jinder/Orton would be SO much more tolerable as a midcard act. I mean, it would still suck, but it would stick in the craw less.


Yeah, that's part of it too...like, why are AJ and Owens feuding over the secondary title while Jinder Mahal gets to be WWE champion? That would be like Seth Rollins and Samoa Joe feuding over the IC title on RAW while Curtis Axel was Universal champion.

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Corbin's just grist in the mill, something to drag out the story. I don't even hate him as much as some do, but with all indications of Nakamura/AJ being the long-term plan, he's a bug in the system. I'd say AJ beats Jinder, Baron cashes in on Styles, cheats to keep it and eventually drops it to Nakamura then AJ wins the Rumble? You could easily reverse AJ and Nakamura's places and get the same result, but I'd rather AJ get the Rumble win.


I don't hate Corbin, but I am very "meh" on him. So it's just kind of a bummer for me that whenever Mahal's title reign ends, there's still the 95% likelihood that we're going to get Baron Corbin as WWE champion in the next 10 months. That's why I wouldn't mind seeing Corbin take the belt off of Mahal (even though I highly doubt that will happen) because it would kill two birds with one stone: Mahal drops the belt and we get Corbin's WWE title reign out of the way well before the road to WrestleMania. Though I wouldn't mind seeing your "Corbin takes the title off of AJ, Nakamura takes the title off of Corbin, AJ wins the Rumble" idea happen, as it would set up AJ/Nakamura for WrestleMania and get Corbin out of the title picture.


DKBroiler - 7-22-2017 at 05:45 AM

Rumor: DK will submit a reckless prediction for Battleground.


DKBroiler - 7-22-2017 at 05:46 AM

Prediction: Randy Orton will have the greatest match of his entire career on Sunday.


Paddlefoot - 7-22-2017 at 07:51 PM

Just because

Per https://t.co/5e59zgvtzR Mattel is making a new line called "Epic Moments" starting with the festival of friendship #SDCC pic.twitter.com/O8uRmF1CRW

— Fullyposeablepodcast (@FullyPoseable) July 22, 2017




the goon - 7-22-2017 at 07:55 PM

Okay, that is a pretty damn cool idea. Will be interesting to see what other moments they decide to use, as there's pretty much endless possibilities. If they make a Michaels/Jannetty Barber Shop set (complete with breakaway window) I'll buy it day one.


Count Zero - 7-22-2017 at 08:18 PM

Mabey a Steve Austin Beer Truck Hosedown set?


Paddlefoot - 7-22-2017 at 08:31 PM

Rock, Rikishi, and Mr. McMahon in the infamous Kiss My Ass segment. Comes complete with Rikishi's thong and a horrified look on Vince's face. Order ten and you get a free exclusive collector's item of Snitsky punting the baby.


royberto - 7-22-2017 at 09:37 PM

Apparently, Hulk Hogan locked himself out of his own house wearing only his underwear:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/various-news-hulk-hogan-locked-out-of-house-willie-mack-at-sdcc-mattel-releasing-festival-of-friendship-action-figure-se t/

I'm sure Janerd will have an eye witmess account of this.


CVD39 - 7-22-2017 at 10:35 PM

I want Mark Henry, Mae Young and a little hand.


Paddlefoot - 7-22-2017 at 10:56 PM

Two deluxe sets. The first featuring SCSA, Vince, a hospital bed, a defibrillator, a bedpan, and appropriate hospital clothing. The second featuring Shane, Kane, a limo, and a tractor trailer.

Anyone with decent modelling and sculpting skills could have a field day, and probably make some serious profit too, if they commissioned a series of custom-built dioramas based on wacky pro wrestling events from the last thirty years.


janerd75 - 7-22-2017 at 11:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Apparently, Hulk Hogan locked himself out of his own house wearing only his underwear:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/various-news-hulk-hogan-locked-out-of-house-willie-mack-at-sdcc-mattel-releasing-festival-of-friendship-action-figure-se t/

I'm sure Janerd will have an eye witmess account of this.


Look dude, go fuck yourself if you think that little of me that I'd even consider the thought of stalking a greased up Hulk Hogan doing god knows what in his underwear.



Fuck.


royberto - 7-23-2017 at 11:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by royberto
Apparently, Hulk Hogan locked himself out of his own house wearing only his underwear:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/various-news-hulk-hogan-locked-out-of-house-willie-mack-at-sdcc-mattel-releasing-festival-of-friendship-action-figure-se t/

I'm sure Janerd will have an eye witmess account of this.


Look dude, go fuck yourself if you think that little of me that I'd even consider the thought of stalking a greased up Hulk Hogan doing god knows what in his underwear.



Fuck.
Lighten up, Francis. It was a joke. Kinda like this story.


janerd75 - 7-23-2017 at 06:07 PM




anglefan85 - 7-24-2017 at 08:34 PM

www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/07/19/week-wrestling-bret-hart-turning-60-seth-rollins-dean-ambrose

Of all the news on that link, this one stood out to me the most.

quote:
On the subject of contracts, the newest series of GFW contracts require talent to give 10 percent of their independent bookings back to the company, as well as 100 percent of their merchandise sold through the company.


If you're trying to bring in new talent, that is not the way to do it, GFW.


CCharger - 7-25-2017 at 12:21 PM

FWIW, I've heard several shoot interviews from current and former WWE guys who say that they get paid pennies on the dollar for their merch. So WWE gets probably 95? 96? 97%? Not that unusual.


denverpunk - 7-25-2017 at 02:37 PM

Apparently the finish to the Owens/AJ Battleground match was changed at the last minute, and Styles was not happy about it. Rumourz...

[Edited on 7-25-2017 by denverpunk]


First 9 - 7-25-2017 at 03:05 PM

In GFW's defense talent is allowed to post their merch in other places and not give GFW a cent from that. It's whatever GFW posts in their website that is 100% theirs.

Any guy or gal with a strong enough following can make merch money by just making their own stuff and tellings fans where to buy.


Count Zero - 7-25-2017 at 03:46 PM

The Interwebs are rumoring that Vince wants another Superstar Shakeup after SummerSlam, but that "other people" are trying to push it back until after Survivor Series.

Vince's short-attention span? A genuine attempt to rejiggle the pieces that aren't quite fitting in their respective shows? Rumorcrap?

MABEY.


bigfatgoalie - 7-25-2017 at 06:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
FWIW, I've heard several shoot interviews from current and former WWE guys who say that they get paid pennies on the dollar for their merch. So WWE gets probably 95? 96? 97%? Not that unusual.


Sure...but the WWE pays more to actually wrestle. And in some cases, 3% from WWE merch is more than you'd make from 100% of DIY on the Indy scene.

As for the SuperStarShakeUp...post SummerSlam is a good time to do it. Having these thing be bi-annual can work. And right now a guy like Seth Rollins could use a change. Rollins vs AJ. Rollins vs Nakamura. Hell even Rollins vs Cena would feel fresh.

Also you could send a guy like Sami back to RAW and play off that Kurt didn't really want him. Way better start to a redemption angle than the losing streak bs we normally get.

My ideal moves...

To RAW: Zayn, Gable, Becky Lynch, and Corbin

To SmackDown: Rollins, Bayley, and Finn Balor.


royberto - 7-25-2017 at 07:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
FWIW, I've heard several shoot interviews from current and former WWE guys who say that they get paid pennies on the dollar for their merch. So WWE gets probably 95? 96? 97%? Not that unusual.
But if you are in GFW you get zero. AT least WWE is letting the talent get some money off the merchandise.


CCharger - 7-25-2017 at 08:42 PM

Calm down, everyone. I was merely pointing out that what GFW is doing is only nominally different than the WWE. I was not defending GFW.

Please stand down.


royberto - 7-26-2017 at 02:50 PM

Here is one of Smackdown's writers showing off his maturity:

Dear haters: I've got 2 words for ya, and they ain't #FireRoadDogg #SDLive #OUDK

— Brian G. James (@WWERoadDogg) July 26, 2017



Why is this fucking clown still employed?


anglefan85 - 7-26-2017 at 02:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Calm down, everyone. I was merely pointing out that what GFW is doing is only nominally different than the WWE. I was not defending GFW.

Please stand down.


Its fine. Also, IIRC, Vince had done the same back during the pre-Attitude era, so this isn't a new practice. However, even with the WWE only giving a small cut of merchandising to their talent, they still reach a much broader audience, so the talent could still be getting a pretty decent payout.


Chris Is Good517 - 7-26-2017 at 08:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Vince's short-attention span? A genuine attempt to rejiggle the pieces that aren't quite fitting in their respective shows? Rumorcrap?



A cheap ploy to get Reigns and Strowman off the same show without giving one a decisive, feud-ending victory over the other?

Also, not a rumor, just speculation, but I'm betting that the loser of Roode-McIntyre at Takeover goes onto the main roster and a superstar shake-up is as good a way as any to get him there.


Flash - 7-26-2017 at 08:48 PM

The other thing with WWE contracts, or at least their payouts is that talent gets money for the PPV's- and from the various sources I've seen it is a nice bonus, and a cut of house show and TV cards they show up on too- There's also the various personal appearances and stuff like video games in the mix as well. I'd also guess that the WWE probably does some kind of merch' bonus- like maybe pennies on the dollar for the first 10k units, but after that maybe it bumps up to nickels on the dollar.

Bottom line in this non-debate is WWE talent make a butt load of cash, Vince isn't hurting either.

GFW may pay pennies on the dollars for the merch' that the talent are moving, but it's also a massively smaller operation... (I just went and checked out their website and the top of the page stuff is AJ styles, Sting, the Hardy Boys, and Angle.... uh.... what are you doing TNA?) Also there's no house shows to speak of, and if you are doing all of your TV tapings at one time that's a lot less walk up to a table and buy something dollars you aren't getting. I don't know if GFW is doing it the same way, but I know for guys like Lashley TNA had weird contracts where basically the talent were "guaranteed" so much money per year for signing with TNA, then they'd basically whore the talent out to independents are an increased fee when they weren't using them for their own TV purposes; all bookings had to go through TNA, TNA got paid, then paid the talent a percentage.

Some of the TNA guys did well off of some few and far between foreign tours, but let's also not forget that embarrassingly to TNA there was some talent also getting food stamps and working other non-wrestling part time jobs (People need to eat, and need jobs, no shame in that... but shame on a company of their size that is a combination of that mismanaged and screwed up, and that over pays some while starving others).


DKBroiler - 7-27-2017 at 04:12 AM

There's no need for a "Superstar shake up".

You have two brands, and they each have a GM. Have them make a god damned trade. If you want to make it dramatic then set a trade deadline. No trades after Survivor Series or something. This doesn't have to be rocket surgery.


CCharger - 7-27-2017 at 12:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
There's no need for a "Superstar shake up".

You have two brands, and they each have a GM. Have them make a god damned trade. If you want to make it dramatic then set a trade deadline. No trades after Survivor Series or something. This doesn't have to be rocket surgery.

Then this would be like a "real sport", and we all know how much Vince despises portraying what his company does as a "real sport".


Count Zero - 7-27-2017 at 05:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
There's no need for a "Superstar shake up".

You have two brands, and they each have a GM. Have them make a god damned trade. If you want to make it dramatic then set a trade deadline. No trades after Survivor Series or something. This doesn't have to be rocket surgery.
And as I have cynically pointed out, even if you do manage to make it "not sportslike" (as Charger notes Vince's dislike of such things), you have to have "rules" and stuff that you may actually be bound by. Rules get in the way of good storytelling (not really, but that's VinceThink at work), so we don't need "a trade". We need SHAKEUPS!!!


Paddlefoot - 7-27-2017 at 06:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
There's no need for a "Superstar shake up".

You have two brands, and they each have a GM. Have them make a god damned trade. If you want to make it dramatic then set a trade deadline. No trades after Survivor Series or something. This doesn't have to be rocket surgery.

Then this would be like a "real sport", and we all know how much Vince despises portraying what his company does as a "real sport".


This is like the saddest comment in the entire history of our sport.


royberto - 7-27-2017 at 11:03 PM

It's a slow news day, so Meltzer dropped this one:

*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, several WWE Raw wrestlers were at a bar after the July 17th Raw in Nashville. It was there that an alleged situation between GFW’s Karen Jarrett and WWE’s Braun Strowman took place.

According to those at the bar, Karen Jarrett approached Braun Strowman at the bar, and commented that Braun was one of her son’s favorite wrestlers and asked for an autograph for her son. Strowman was reportedly rude to Karen (it’s believed that Strowman had no idea who she was) and may have sworn at her. This turned into a scene at the bar as Karen immediately “cut a major loud promo” on Strowman for blowing her off.

Karen then reportedly yelled at Braun, mentioning that she was going to tell her son’s father (Raw General Manager Kurt Angle) about what happened. Strowman then said he would sign the autograph, begging Karen not to tell Kurt or anyone else. Strowman allegedly apologized, but Karen said she was still going to tell Kurt, which led to Braun saying he would get on his knees and beg her not to. Strowman did end up getting on his knees in front of a lot of wrestlers from WWE and begged her not to, and she basically said something like now you’re acting like that because you found out that Kurt Angle is the father of her son.


While I can believe that Karen is a bitch who loves to pull the "Do you know who I am" card and is completely capable of doing what she allegedly did, I don't believe for one second that Bruan got down on his knees and begged.


Flash - 7-28-2017 at 01:58 AM

Not that tweets don't come down, or that the absence of a tweet doesn't make something not true, but a quick scan of K.J.'s twitter feed from around that date shows nothing.

In other never ending news...

Ed Nordholm, the Anthem guy running Impact, gave an interview to Sports Illustrated where the whole "Broken" property rights, and negotiations with the Hardy's was touched on. Ed basically said the Hardy's are dragging this out, and he's done with this whole ordeal as he has more important things to do. Apparently the sum being thrown around for the trademark was $10-15k... Matt and Rebbie took to twitter like always, this time saying that all of his conversations with Ed via phone were recorded and he's contacting a lawyer over defamation.

I'm actually surprised how little they are potentially talking about... I mean yeah it's a lot for them to pay for something that basically amounts to something that Matt will probably only ever use for various post-WWE Indy shows and selling swag off his website, but for a guy worth millions it's not so much that you either need to decide if it's worth it or not to you... the constant back and forth is not good for anyone; I mean I doubt the WWE would use the idea at this point, and if GFW ever tried to use it they'd probably be laughed at... meanwhile the back and forth just makes everyone look kinda crummy.

Honestly I'm just waiting for the next story to be that Matt is pulling a Warrior and changing his first name to Broken.


First 9 - 7-28-2017 at 02:09 AM

GFW doesn't even have to use it. They did another stylized prop-filled fight with Jeremy Borash, Scott Stener, and Abyss that was on the level of the Broken segments so while they might not get use of the property, they've proven they can replicate that magic with other guys.

The Hardyz are sort of just there and definently need a revamp if they want to be more than legends living off nostalgia.


bopol - 7-28-2017 at 02:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
It's a slow news day, so Meltzer dropped this one:

*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, several WWE Raw wrestlers were at a bar after the July 17th Raw in Nashville. It was there that an alleged situation between GFW’s Karen Jarrett and WWE’s Braun Strowman took place.

According to those at the bar, Karen Jarrett approached Braun Strowman at the bar, and commented that Braun was one of her son’s favorite wrestlers and asked for an autograph for her son. Strowman was reportedly rude to Karen (it’s believed that Strowman had no idea who she was) and may have sworn at her. This turned into a scene at the bar as Karen immediately “cut a major loud promo” on Strowman for blowing her off.

Karen then reportedly yelled at Braun, mentioning that she was going to tell her son’s father (Raw General Manager Kurt Angle) about what happened. Strowman then said he would sign the autograph, begging Karen not to tell Kurt or anyone else. Strowman allegedly apologized, but Karen said she was still going to tell Kurt, which led to Braun saying he would get on his knees and beg her not to. Strowman did end up getting on his knees in front of a lot of wrestlers from WWE and begged her not to, and she basically said something like now you’re acting like that because you found out that Kurt Angle is the father of her son.


While I can believe that Karen is a bitch who loves to pull the "Do you know who I am" card and is completely capable of doing what she allegedly did, I don't believe for one second that Bruan got down on his knees and begged.


When I started reading the story, I thought it would be about Jeff Jarrett threatening Braun, which would be hilarious.


ulsterphil - 7-28-2017 at 09:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
It's a slow news day, so Meltzer dropped this one:

*According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, several WWE Raw wrestlers were at a bar after the July 17th Raw in Nashville. It was there that an alleged situation between GFW’s Karen Jarrett and WWE’s Braun Strowman took place.

According to those at the bar, Karen Jarrett approached Braun Strowman at the bar, and commented that Braun was one of her son’s favorite wrestlers and asked for an autograph for her son. Strowman was reportedly rude to Karen (it’s believed that Strowman had no idea who she was) and may have sworn at her. This turned into a scene at the bar as Karen immediately “cut a major loud promo” on Strowman for blowing her off.

Karen then reportedly yelled at Braun, mentioning that she was going to tell her son’s father (Raw General Manager Kurt Angle) about what happened. Strowman then said he would sign the autograph, begging Karen not to tell Kurt or anyone else. Strowman allegedly apologized, but Karen said she was still going to tell Kurt, which led to Braun saying he would get on his knees and beg her not to. Strowman did end up getting on his knees in front of a lot of wrestlers from WWE and begged her not to, and she basically said something like now you’re acting like that because you found out that Kurt Angle is the father of her son.


While I can believe that Karen is a bitch who loves to pull the "Do you know who I am" card and is completely capable of doing what she allegedly did, I don't believe for one second that Bruan got down on his knees and begged.


Isnt Braun meant to be a very nice guy off camera? I wouldn't put much stock in any of this story whatsoever.


GodEatGod - 7-28-2017 at 10:02 AM

That whole Karen Jarrett/Braun story reads like some sort of obscure sex fanfic that Jeff Jarrett wrote while in Bruce Prichard's coffee at the GFW office.


Paddlefoot - 7-28-2017 at 10:33 AM

Would have been awesome if Braun stayed in character and started bellowing "I'm not through you you yet, bitch!" at Karen. Then started throwing security guards all over the place just like he did on this week's RAW.


First 9 - 7-28-2017 at 12:57 PM

It's such a random story. I can buy Karen and Braun staging a fun little scenario about Braun being terrified of the kid's father for the benefit of the kid but everybody would be in on the joke or Braun having a bad night, taking it out on what he thought was another fan and then getting terrified at having one of the icons in his profession against him so he drunkedly made an over the top apology.


Slick - 7-28-2017 at 02:51 PM

Clearly Kurt was more concerned at the time with the illicit story of his illegitimate son breaking.

Further he then went on to insert Braaaaauuuuunnnn into the main event of Summer freaking Slam. Oh it's true, it's damn true!


DKBroiler - 7-28-2017 at 05:44 PM

Why didn't Jason Jordan just ask for the autograph himself?

Edit: It's real to me damnit!

[Edited on 7-28-2017 by DKBroiler]


royberto - 7-29-2017 at 06:02 AM

GFW takes another L as their trademark applications for the Broken Universe were denied by the US Patent Office:

https://411mania.com/wrestling/gfws-application-for-broken-matt-hardy-trademarks-denied/

I guess their insistance they owned the rights was a complete crock and this now hopefully gets to arbitration to resolve this once and for all.


Gobshite - 7-29-2017 at 08:40 AM

My take on the Braun/Karen Jarrett incident, if it did happen, is that it's been mis-reported. Braun strikes me as the sort of guy who, rather than doing a 180 and actually apologising, would ramp it up and go OTT with the joke/sarcasm- "oh, YOURE Karen Jarrett/Angle? Wife of the number one guy on Vinces "never ever ever" list? Pretty please, don't tell your estranged ex, who I see every week, that I was mean to you... look, I'll get down on my KNEES and BEG you please don't tell a recently returned old guy that one of Vinces current favourites was mean to someone Vince hates"....

Chances are that the good brothers were not far away from this pissing themselves laughing at it.

[Edited on 7-29-2017 by Gobshite]


anglefan85 - 7-29-2017 at 04:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
GFW takes another L as their trademark applications for the Broken Universe were denied by the US Patent Office:

https://411mania.com/wrestling/gfws-application-for-broken-matt-hardy-trademarks-denied/

I guess their insistance they owned the rights was a complete crock and this now hopefully gets to arbitration to resolve this once and for all.


Them trying to trademark it at this point just kinda proves that they don't own it.

I don't get it, either. Anthem is this multi-million dollar company and yet they're showing that they're not really much better than the previous regime. Another example of this is that I found out that there's gonna be a show happening here on Long Island next week that I only found out about because of the announcement that they had to cancel another show in Bridgeport. No TV ads, nothing on the radio, no flyers, no nothing.

[Edited on 7-29-2017 by anglefan85]


Gobshite - 7-29-2017 at 07:50 PM

They're also promoting their newest PPV... with a guy who hasn't been under contract to them for over a year. Must make their existing locker room DELIGHTED.


DKBroiler - 7-31-2017 at 05:15 PM

Rumor: Today someone will post a rumor.


Count Zero - 7-31-2017 at 05:26 PM

Sources are reporting that there was no PPV/Network Special last night. The same sources are still trying to discover the reasons and motivations behind this obviously strange decision.


DKBroiler - 7-31-2017 at 05:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Sources are reporting that there was no PPV/Network Special last night. The same sources are still trying to discover the reasons and motivations behind this obviously strange decision.


Rumor confirmed.


GodEatGod - 7-31-2017 at 05:40 PM

Not a rumor, but Jon Jones did call out Lesnar at the end of the UFC PPV. Which just goes to show that the longer it exists, the closer and closer UFC gets to being booked like pro wrestling. Lends more credence to the idea that Brock's looking to get out of WWE sooner rather than later, at least for the time being.


DKBroiler - 7-31-2017 at 06:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Not a rumor, but Jon Jones did call out Lesnar at the end of the UFC PPV. Which just goes to show that the longer it exists, the closer and closer UFC gets to being booked like pro wrestling. Lends more credence to the idea that Brock's looking to get out of WWE sooner rather than later, at least for the time being.


Oh that shit is gonna happen. Brock has about 6 months left on his suspension clock (it's paused because he "retired") and will almost certainly be subjected to the 4 months of pre fight testing that he skipped last time. My guess is that he'll drop the belt at SummerSlam, restart the clock, have the fight in February or so and then be back for his WrestleMania pay day.

On a side note, Cormier is likely done and I'll start the rumor that he'll be in WWE within 18 months. He's tight with Brock and after going 19-0 vs the world and 0-2 vs Jones he's the definition of nothing left to prove. McGregor will almost certainly follow suit after he gets a pay day or three out of Mayweather.

Like it or not I would bet that a Lesnar vs McGregor WM match will happen in the next 4 years.

[Edited on 7-31-2017 by DKBroiler]


janerd75 - 7-31-2017 at 08:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
Not a rumor, but Jon Jones did call out Lesnar at the end of the UFC PPV. Which just goes to show that the longer it exists, the closer and closer UFC gets to being booked like pro wrestling. Lends more credence to the idea that Brock's looking to get out of WWE sooner rather than later, at least for the time being.


Oh that shit is gonna happen. Brock has about 6 months left on his suspension clock (it's paused because he "retired") and will almost certainly be subjected to the 4 months of pre fight testing that he skipped last time. My guess is that he'll drop the belt at SummerSlam, restart the clock, have the fight in February or so and then be back for his WrestleMania pay day.

On a side note, Cormier is likely done and I'll start the rumor that he'll be in WWE within 18 months. He's tight with Brock and after going 19-0 vs the world and 0-2 vs Jones he's the definition of nothing left to prove. McGregor will almost certainly follow suit after he gets a pay day or three out of Mayweather.

Like it or not I would bet that a Lesnar vs McGregor WM match will happen in the next 4 years.




Sure, why not?






Paddlefoot - 7-31-2017 at 08:16 PM

All this shirtless tattooed Irish/Icelandic crap has got me like



(you give me a Florida-based weapon system like this and then think I'm not going to use it? )


janerd75 - 7-31-2017 at 08:38 PM

Rumour has it we're all going to be awful sore in that pile.



In actual roomernooz, John Cena is being advertised for the RAM-based No Mercy pay-per-view on Sept. 24. He is currently on the SD. Let the speculizing begin!


DKBroiler - 7-31-2017 at 08:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
Rumour has it we're all going to be awful sore in that pile.



In actual roomernooz, John Cena is being advertised for the RAM-based No Mercy pay-per-view on Sept. 24. He is currently on the SD. Let the speculizing begin!


He is "The Free Agent" John Cena after all.

Not to be confused with "The Entrance" Shinsuke Nakamura.


GodEatGod - 7-31-2017 at 08:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot








Jesus, gimme some warning before you sweat me in the middle of the day.

McGregor can talk his ass off and I'd kill to see to to see them get Punk back in the fold to feud with him for the promos alone.


janerd75 - 7-31-2017 at 10:56 PM

Oh you kids and your horrible gifvomit. Anywho, back to Cena rumours n' speculizin', it's not a rumour that John Cena has been cast in the new Michael Bay Tranny film as a time-travelling Mark Wahlburg that transmorphs into Cena in the 80's something something low panning slo-mo shot 'Murica 'splosions, but I guess just add this to the pile of who Cena's facing and what the outcome might be in the coming months.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/john-cena-joins-newly-dated-bumblebee/


Paddlefoot - 8-1-2017 at 12:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod

Jesus, gimme some warning before you sweat me in the middle of the day.


My internet career won't be complete until I get someone fired for having something I posted seen by their boss on their work computer.


CM Crunk - 8-1-2017 at 01:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
Oh you kids and your horrible gifvomit. Anywho, back to Cena rumours n' speculizin', it's not a rumour that John Cena has been cast in the new Michael Bay Tranny film as a time-travelling Mark Wahlburg that transmorphs into Cena in the 80's something something low panning slo-mo shot 'Murica 'splosions, but I guess just add this to the pile of who Cena's facing and what the outcome might be in the coming months.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/john-cena-joins-newly-dated-bumblebee/


If this turns the Bumblebee flick into a 2-hour version of an Auralnauts video, count me the fuck in.


(The relevance of the clip above kicks in around the 2:10 mark)


First 9 - 8-2-2017 at 04:31 PM

Looks like Bayley is out with an injury.


bopol - 8-2-2017 at 06:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod

Jesus, gimme some warning before you sweat me in the middle of the day.


My internet career won't be complete until I get someone fired for having something I posted seen by their boss on their work computer.


Punkerhardcore's avatar got me some unwanted attention once.


williamssl - 8-2-2017 at 07:16 PM

I think the shorter list is "who HASN'T gotten into some form of trouble or received unwanted attention for punker's avatar?'


gobbledygooker - 8-2-2017 at 08:17 PM

It's basically almost not even titillating to me at this point. Almost.


CCharger - 8-2-2017 at 08:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
It's basically almost not even titillating to me at this point. Almost.

Sorry, what did you say? You lost me after tit.


Chris Is Good517 - 8-2-2017 at 08:25 PM

I've seen rumors/speculation that Cena's Raw feud is going to be against Samoa Joe.


Paddlefoot - 8-2-2017 at 08:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I've seen rumors/speculation that Cena's Raw feud is going to be against Samoa Joe.
Cena actually now has a lot of new competition on RAW if he goes there permanently.
Joe, Reigns, Rollins, Strowman. Basically it's almost an entirely new program for him if he relocates there.

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
It's basically almost not even titillating to me at this point. Almost.

Sorry, what did you say? You lost me after tit.


Mmmm, tits.....





[Edited on 8/2/2017 by Paddlefoot]


DKBroiler - 8-2-2017 at 08:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I've seen rumors/speculation that Cena's Raw feud is going to be against Samoa Joe.
Cena actually now has a lot of new competition on RAW if he goes there permanently.
Joe, Reigns, Rollins, Strowman. Basically it's almost an entirely new program for him if he relocates there.

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
It's basically almost not even titillating to me at this point. Almost.

Sorry, what did you say? You lost me after tit.


Mmmm, tits.....





[Edited on 8/2/2017 by Paddlefoot]


When did Nattie dye her hair?


punkerhardcore - 8-2-2017 at 09:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I think the shorter list is "who HASN'T gotten into some form of trouble or received unwanted attention for punker's avatar?'


I'm kinda proud to be able to say that-- besides Rick-- I'm pretty sure I've had the longest run of "not changing my avatar" of any long standing, current member.


DKBroiler - 8-2-2017 at 09:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I think the shorter list is "who HASN'T gotten into some form of trouble or received unwanted attention for punker's avatar?'


I'm kinda proud to be able to say that-- besides Rick-- I'm pretty sure I've had the longest run of "not changing my avatar" of any long standing, current member.


Probably a bit TMI, but whatever. Every time I see your avatar chick in a porno I think of you.

And then I finish.


Paddlefoot - 8-2-2017 at 09:28 PM

I thought she retired ten years ago. If she's still working it must be hanging loose, Hope Solo-style times a hundred, like sleeve of wizard as the old central Asian saying goes.


DKBroiler - 8-2-2017 at 09:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I thought she retired ten years ago. If she's still working it must be hanging loose, Hope Solo-style times a hundred, like sleeve of wizard as the old central Asian saying goes.


Hahaha, it's been a while.

As for Hope Solo, her pussy looks like she launches fireworks out of it twice daily.


punkerhardcore - 8-2-2017 at 09:32 PM

Nothing wrong with a little kink.

Hope Solo's worn out roast beef made it seem like her name should be changed to Hope 500.

[Edited on 8-2-2017 by punkerhardcore]


Paddlefoot - 8-2-2017 at 09:42 PM

Good ol' Angela in the gif above has both Solo and Phoenix beat easily. In the videos of her naked and not wearing the plastic schlong it's nearly indescribable. Aside from the usual steroid-chick Chyna peen poking out from the depths, the rest of the excess surrounding tissue looks like something from the bottom of the ocean, like when an octopus fully envelopes a helpless lobster.


Count Zero - 8-3-2017 at 01:09 AM

....How do we nominate just ONE PAGE of rumorzcrap for "TrainWreck" honors? Or do we have to put the whole thread into the hat? That's going to be a big hat, if so..


Flash - 8-3-2017 at 02:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I've seen rumors/speculation that Cena's Raw feud is going to be against Samoa Joe.


I think this has the potential to be a pretty good feud, and there's probably a really good story they could craft out of some of the old footage floating around out there like the two of them out in California together (can't remember the Indy fed), Joe's tryout matches with the WWE many years ago... kind of the two roads taken kinda thing.


bopol - 8-3-2017 at 03:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I think the shorter list is "who HASN'T gotten into some form of trouble or received unwanted attention for punker's avatar?'


I'm kinda proud to be able to say that-- besides Rick-- I'm pretty sure I've had the longest run of "not changing my avatar" of any long standing, current member.


It's also so much a part of the site that I've gotten to the point that I totally ignore that it is a porn star licking a glass dildo in front of the American flag. Then someone at my desk when I'm showing them one of Janerd's nutty videos goes, what is that? Ummm, well, it's a porn star licking a glass dildo in front of the American flag.

Probably lucky it didn't get reported to HR.


Paddlefoot - 8-3-2017 at 11:36 AM

And just to wrap up a very Florida-centric week here at OO,



Follow her eyes. "Hey! Nice wheelbarrow!".


Thom - 8-3-2017 at 01:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I think the shorter list is "who HASN'T gotten into some form of trouble or received unwanted attention for punker's avatar?'




I'd be in that club.


First 9 - 8-3-2017 at 01:10 PM

Enzo being somebody whose severely limited in the ring but still over and moving merch has management scrabbling to find a role for him. Rumors are they'll dump him back to NXT or move him to 205.

205 seems like a no-brainer. He won't bust out a classic against anybody but the fans will care about the match he has.


CCharger - 8-3-2017 at 01:27 PM

So, Enzo is golden on the mike but very limited in the ring. He's also over and can move merch.

If this guy doesn't have manager written all over him, I don't know who does. I know today's WWE isn't big on "managers", but give this guy a heel stable of under-utilitized guys and see what he can do.

Am I wrong?


First 9 - 8-3-2017 at 02:12 PM

Titus Brand Cruiserweights vs cruiserweights managed by Enzo could actually have people give a shit about the flippy guys who get no love.


DKBroiler - 8-3-2017 at 05:43 PM

I was very happy to see the exchange on Bring it to the Table where Enzo and Kalisto to 205 Live was brought up. Rosenberg brought it up as a demotion and JBL instantly said, "it wasn't a demotion for Neville".

Now they just need to port over that flippy Irish demon and you have a show worth tuning into every week.

Then again I believe the cruiserweight title should be the equal of the WWE and Universal championships, but what do I know?


First 9 - 8-3-2017 at 06:31 PM

I get JBL's point but Neville wasn't doing anything for months. Enzo is a featured performer every week on RAW. If he gets moves to 205, which I hope happens, he'd be the first of a regular performer joining the Purple Squared Circle.

But to DK's point of making 205 work. Throwing already over stars on it would just generate a positive but short buzz. What made CW in WCW work and what made the CWC so special was taking advantage of undersized guys have by using moves at a pace and crispness that regular sized guys can't. I like Batista and Luke Harper but none of their Sit Out PowerBomb ever looked as pretty as the ones Kota Ibushi busted out multiple times in the CWC. It's not a knock against them, Ibushi's size and the size of his opponent allowed for better control which they took full advantage of. AJ, Rollins, and Zayn are all innovative high flyers but we saw shit that none of them do in the CWC matches.If the Cruisers just wrestle like everybody with nothing that makes them special, they'll always have a negative stigma.

[Edited on 8-3-2017 by First 9]


Paddlefoot - 8-3-2017 at 07:55 PM

JBL and Graves were indicating that Enzo's career might not have much longevity to it given how much genuine heat he has backstage. That incident with Reigns kicking him off the bus has been confirmed to have happened, with it being pretty clear now that backstage-Enzo isn't much different than in ring-Enzo except that the real life version is a hell of a lot more foul-mouthed, abrasive, rude, and genuinely annoying. Aside from Miz, who really only made the mistake of letting food get too close to someone else's luggage, JBL said that no one who's gotten on the bad side of the entire locker room has lasted very long once the heat on them picked up. Hey, what's the Joisey Ratt doing in the GFW Zone, Josh?!?!?


williamssl - 8-3-2017 at 08:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
the real life version is a hell of a lot more foul-mouthed, abrasive, rude, and genuinely annoying.






This is scary. Like "inconceivable" scary. The only thing I can think of that would make him more annoying was having to be around him more than the allotted time per week he's on RAM and possibly a PPV, where I FF the first and multi-task endure the latter.

Being around him for an hour would be pure hell.


DKBroiler - 8-3-2017 at 08:22 PM

You make good points for sure but I always feel like the "demotion" stigma is our own doing. So many of us wanted more cruiserweights but now that we have them the same crowd treats them like 2nd class citizens.

Moving Enzo, Kalisto, Finn and Gable (who is amazing as a singles guy) onto 205 would turn the division into damn near 1998 WCW levels of talent. Then, if one of them wins the right to face the HW champ via MITB or the Rumble or some other one off way, it makes for a great underdog story.

At the end of the day, Neville has been the single most dominant performer this year. They either need to feed him opponents closer to his level (in ring or on the mic), have him start competing for the Universal Title as the CW champ or have him drop it and move away effectively killing the whole division.

Edited to add: I cannot stress enough how impressive Gable has been lately. He's like Dynamite Kid crossed with pre-brain trauma Voldemort. I never knew.


DKBroiler - 8-3-2017 at 08:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
the real life version is a hell of a lot more foul-mouthed, abrasive, rude, and genuinely annoying.






This is scary. Like "inconceivable" scary. The only thing I can think of that would make him more annoying was having to be around him more than the allotted time per week he's on RAM and possibly a PPV, where I FF the first and multi-task endure the latter.

Being around him for an hour would be pure hell.


Being our resident expert on all things New Jersey ... I'd probably get along with him well. Spending 10 minutes with HBK might make me run into traffic though. This really is an amazingly diverse land here in Murrica.


First 9 - 8-3-2017 at 08:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You make good points for sure but I always feel like the "demotion" stigma is our own doing. So many of us wanted more cruiserweights but now that we have them the same crowd treats them like 2nd class citizens.




That's because they look like 2nd class citizens. They're doing the exact same flippy shit that guys like Zayn and Rollins do except there's barely any story and they're exclusively fighting guys their own size. Brian Kendrick in the CWC was one of the best performers in all of WWE last year. Insipiring underdog turned into a nasty, hungry vet clawing and scratching for his chance at relevance was phenomenal character work and he just moves with so much more urgency and crispness than he displays nowadays.

I like all the guys you mentioned but they're going to look like losers by having the announcers go on and on about how innovative and special they are while they're doing the same shit we see in regular matches.


Matte - 8-3-2017 at 08:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You make good points for sure but I always feel like the "demotion" stigma is our own doing. So many of us wanted more cruiserweights but now that we have them the same crowd treats them like 2nd class citizens.

They are treated as a separate part of the roster, though. They aren't usually showcased well on Raw, and when they are, the ropes and lighting are (were) changed out so everyone knows that the cruiserweights aren't really "Raw" guys. And all of their stories happen on a separate show that you have to pay to watch, so when they come out on Raw, nobody knows what they're fighting for. They're kind of like special guests on the main show.


GodEatGod - 8-3-2017 at 09:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matte
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You make good points for sure but I always feel like the "demotion" stigma is our own doing. So many of us wanted more cruiserweights but now that we have them the same crowd treats them like 2nd class citizens.

They are treated as a separate part of the roster, though. They aren't usually showcased well on Raw, and when they are, the ropes and lighting are (were) changed out so everyone knows that the cruiserweights aren't really "Raw" guys. And all of their stories happen on a separate show that you have to pay to watch, so when they come out on Raw, nobody knows what they're fighting for. They're kind of like special guests on the main show.


This. The Cruiserweight title doesn't inherently have to be a step down, but everything about how the division has been treated and presented post-CWC has made it just that. By making it a totally separate division, not interacting with everyone else and putting the storylines on a show most people don't watch, they've more or less told the audience "this isn't that important". Hell, I watch the Hulu version of RAW most weeks and, as a resultl, I don't even see the Cruiserweights 95 percent of the time because they get edited out as insignificant.


First 9 - 8-3-2017 at 09:29 PM

Much like the new ECW led to the blueprint for NXT as a developmental brand. I hope 205 Live can teach them what not to do and in a couple yeras they find a set up that works. The current presentation is doomed to stay as it is.


janerd75 - 8-4-2017 at 12:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
the real life version is a hell of a lot more foul-mouthed, abrasive, rude, and genuinely annoying.






This is scary. Like "inconceivable" scary. The only thing I can think of that would make him more annoying was having to be around him more than the allotted time per week he's on RAM and possibly a PPV, where I FF the first and multi-task endure the latter.

Being around him for an hour would be pure hell.


Being our resident expert on all things New Jersey ... I'd probably get along with him well. Spending 10 minutes with HBK might make me run into traffic though. This really is an amazingly diverse land here in Murrica.


Broiler please...please don't do this...



He did naht hit her, HE DID NAAAHHHT! Oh wait, he did.



Please...


DKBroiler - 8-4-2017 at 01:46 AM

I love Florida.


janerd75 - 8-4-2017 at 02:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
I love Florida.



CamstunPWG187 - 8-4-2017 at 03:29 AM

Wait, which porn star is that in Punker's avatar?

I always thought it was Tory Lane. Guess not?


williamssl - 8-4-2017 at 04:08 AM

Turn safe search off and do a google image search for Lauren Phoenix from work and/or in a public shared environment. Trust me - this is the only way to find out who she is. If you do it any other way you get AIDs or something.


CCharger - 8-4-2017 at 02:29 PM

This guy pretty much nails why the Cruiserweight Division sucks:

http://deadspin.com/how-wwe-botched-the-cruiserweight-division-they-dont-ne-1797392191


Slick - 8-4-2017 at 05:34 PM

What a sad day in the history of this great industry.

WWE and Eva Marie have mutually agreed to part ways.

She was stylish, elegant, bewitching, eternally beguiling and continually charismatic!


DKBroiler - 8-4-2017 at 06:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
This guy pretty much nails why the Cruiserweight Division sucks:

http://deadspin.com/how-wwe-botched-the-cruiserweight-division-they-dont-ne-1797392191


Great find. You guys are totally right about the purple ropes being a "you can tune out" signal that I had not considered previously but is brought up again in this article. Here is my plan to rebuild the division.

At SS ...

1 - Bray and Finn have their feud through Hell in a Cell but the seeds are planted at SummerSlam because ...

2 - Neville wins decisively.

3 - Back stage interview where Neville yaps about how no cruiser can beat him. Finn walks by. Insta feud.

4 - They continually tease the feud but don't have the match until the Rumble. In the meantime Neville can drop the title to Kallisto and win it back before the Rumble. This will allow Neville to have a really good fall program and still keeps Finn floating between the heavyweights and the cruisers for the time being.

5 - Mixing in Enzo for a one off isn't a terrible idea either.

6 - At the Rumble we can have either a fatal 4 way, a triple threat or the 1 on 1 match.

7 - At Mania we absolutely have the one on one match. Throw a ladder in there and it's an instant classic.

8 - Post mania have the loser win the MITB but STAY in the cruiserweight division. Let the world know that the Cruiserweight title is their primary focus always (Neville would be great at this) but that when the time is right the WWE Championship will come to him as well. A cruiser as HW champ should only be done under very specific circumstances that mostly tend to be heel tactics.

9 - The CW champ post Mania can move into a program with Gable.

---

None of this is especially hard to do assuming that the WWE isn't trying to make this fail which would be idiotically counter productive. Hopefully one of these days HHH and company venture onto the OO forum, ignore the tranny gifs (actual HHH might like them on second thought but I digress) and they pull the trigger on something of the sorts. They have the best collection of cruiserweights in America in 20 years. It's a damn shame if they don't fix their division with these few easy steps.


DKBroiler - 8-4-2017 at 06:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Slick
What a sad day in the history of this great industry.

WWE and Eva Marie have mutually agreed to part ways.

She was stylish, elegant, bewitching, eternally beguiling and continually charismatic!


I'd like to wish her the best on her future endeavors (in my pants).

[Edited on 8-5-2017 by DKBroiler]


DevilSoprano - 8-5-2017 at 05:01 AM

People need to stop with this idea that Finn can and/or should save the 205 Live Show/division. What needs to happen and it kinda sorta seemed like it might with Titus Worldwide is there just needs to be actual interaction and stories between the wrestlers. There is absolutely zero reason that the 205 guys can ONLY wrestle other 205 guys. Get some matches and stories going between guys beyond what their weight is. Even if its just as simple as something like Crews & Tozawa vs. Kendrick & Sampson. The fact that 205 Live exists in its own universe is the problem, not that Finn isn't part of the show. And this isn't about a tier system because if it felt natural to move Finn into a feud with Neville, so be it, but Finn still has issues on the heavyweight side of things even after he's done with Wyatt. It's actually one of the things WWE should go back and look at how TNA handled the X-Division at points. And I know the X-Division had an easy way to intermingle their roster because there was no size restrictions, but even on a normal basis, they interacted as part of the entire roster, not in their own little box. And AJ Styles wasn't moved their to save the division unless it was a natural progression of other stories.


Paddlefoot - 8-5-2017 at 06:49 AM

All it would do would end up ruining Balor's career because it's highly unlikely that WWE will ever allow someone the same general size as Rey Mysterio to come out of the cruiser ranks to end up on top of the roster. Finn goes cruiser and he's stuck there forever, which would successfully kill off most interest in one of the greatest NXT graduates yet. 205 is unsalvagable anyway. No matter how good the CWC first was it received two death blows as soon as it was over and the division got moved to the main roster. The first was that they didn't do much during the CWC itself to develop more rounded characters for these guys; they all should have been sent to NXT for at least a year to work on that portion of their game. And the second knock it received is the same one that's bedeviling every single bit of the WWE product right now - once it was off the Network and onto RAW & SD it came under the control of Vince & Dunn who chose to put their patented print on it with the soap opera antics they way they do with everything else that they get their hooks into.

I don't know in what universe the guys in charge of a wrestling show actually think that a cruiserweight spotfest "just doesn't make good TV". Maybe it's in the universe where the boss isn't interested in wrestling anymore, and hasn't been for a very long time, because he's so obsessed with "entertainment" instead. Regardless of all that the cruisers are fucked and the odds are far greater that they'll all get future endeavoured and the division completely shut down in a round of cost-cutting someday that they'll be fixed and allowed by Dumb & Dumberer to shine in the way spot monkeys like that are so good at.


DKBroiler - 8-5-2017 at 02:07 PM

Rumor: Paddlefoot needs to hug a puppy and eat some ice cream.

[Edited on 8-5-2017 by DKBroiler]


denverpunk - 8-5-2017 at 03:40 PM

With their current CW roster, the only current true star is Neville. Perhaps they could get the division over through him. Someone mentioned a few weeks ago that Neville could be put through the roof with a big, clean win over someone like Lesnar. Now I know that's not in the cards, but I think something like King of the Ring could work. Basically, they could put someone in the first round like Curt Hawkins or someone else who clearly has no chance of winning against a favorite. Neville pearl harbors Hawkins, cuts a nasty promo, and then beats said favorite and moves on to win the whole tournament while still holding the CW belt. That first opponent, though, has to be an upper carder. Miz and Ambrose lose too much for it to matter. In a perfect world, the best candidate would be Reigns, but it'd probably be Seth Rollins. This would create instant heat for Neville, create several feuds, and elevate the CW belt, and by proxy the division.

The only thing I can think of offhand would be someone like Kenny Omega coming in and leading some sort of loose cannon invasion angle. I'm not holding my breath for either scenario.

[Edited on 8-5-2017 by denverpunk]


Count Zero - 8-5-2017 at 05:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Rumor: Paddlefoot needs to hug a puppy and eat some ice cream.

Other sources have a conflicting report that Pad needs to eat a puppy and hug some ice cream.

Can we get somebody working the phones, and trying to sort this out?


CamstunPWG187 - 8-5-2017 at 06:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
With their current CW roster, the only current true star is Neville. Perhaps they could get the division over through him. Someone mentioned a few weeks ago that Neville could be put through the roof with a big, clean win over someone like Lesnar. Now I know that's not in the cards, but I think something like King of the Ring could work. Basically, they could put someone in the first round like Curt Hawkins or someone else who clearly has no chance of winning against a favorite. Neville pearl harbors Hawkins, cuts a nasty promo, and then beats said favorite and moves on to win the whole tournament while still holding the CW belt. That first opponent, though, has to be an upper carder. Miz and Ambrose lose too much for it to matter. In a perfect world, the best candidate would be Reigns, but it'd probably be Seth Rollins. This would create instant heat for Neville, create several feuds, and elevate the CW belt, and by proxy the division.

The only thing I can think of offhand would be someone like Kenny Omega coming in and leading some sort of loose cannon invasion angle. I'm not holding my breath for either scenario.

[Edited on 8-5-2017 by denverpunk]


I lub you


janerd75 - 8-6-2017 at 07:00 AM

Rumours of Paige's return:

"I just had my CT scan today and I do my last checkup on Monday with my good friend and doctor, Dr. Uribe, in Arizona. Hopefully I'll be back sooner rather than later but I don't know at this point, I don't know where it is. But I can't wait to get back to work. It's been since Oct. 19 that I had my surgery, so it's been a while. So I'm like 'just get me back, I want to be wrestling again.' It feels so weird not to be wrestling for so long. I got to travel a little bit with Alberto but it's not the same when you're not in the ring yourself. I'm excited to get back to WWE."

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/8/3/16093142/paige-wwe-return-update

Briefly checked her Twatter and many of the WWE Women recently gave her "We miss you" tweets, so clearly no 'keep your distance from her' hammers have fallen from on high. But does WWE miss her? Guess we'll find out soon enough if the Crazy Train is pulling into the station. Also her sick uncle, the one Alberto hoped died, obliged him the other day. So, there's that.



ETA: GO HERE TO BE A VIDEO/GIFVOMIT LOVIN' SHITHEAD SO THE RUMO(U)RS SECTION HAS LESS EYE CANCER BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE VISUAL A.I.D.S.

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=32165

[Edited on 8-6-2017 by janerd75]


CamstunPWG187 - 8-6-2017 at 09:54 AM

They are the definitive piece of shit, trashy couple. Like, that photo is just a perfect example of how unattractive someone can become when you realize what lowlife piece of shit they are.


First 9 - 8-6-2017 at 04:51 PM

In other news, Cody Rhodes is reportedly making 3x as much money working around for several promotions than his stint in WWE. Looks like Dusty knew exactly how much his son was worth when he told him to ditch WWE back in 2012.

Also, Jerry Lawler is going to face Cody for the ROH Title.


GodEatGod - 8-6-2017 at 09:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
In other news, Cody Rhodes is reportedly making 3x as much money working around for several promotions than his stint in WWE. Looks like Dusty knew exactly how much his son was worth when he told him to ditch WWE back in 2012.

Also, Jerry Lawler is going to face Cody for the ROH Title.


I mean, his stint in the WWE is a large reason why he's able to command that much money. That and his heritage. Pretty specific circumstances. But I give Cody plenty of credit, as he's hustled and sold himself well, too, and done a great job of carrying himself like a star whatever promotion he shows up in, whether it's ROH, NJPW or some rinky dink bingo hall. The only place he didn't really flourish is TNA/GFW and nobody flourishes there anymore. They salted the earth.


Paddlefoot - 8-6-2017 at 09:33 PM

Speaking of TNA/GFW and Rhodes', Brandi's done with them too. Apparently she was doing some non-wrestling related work at a local TV station in Atlanta. GFW wanted her to cough up a percentage of her pay to them so she rightfully told them to fuck off.

[Edited on 8/6/2017 by Paddlefoot]


First 9 - 8-6-2017 at 11:04 PM

I think the timing Dusty recommended would have netted him similar results. The alternatives maybe weren't as strong as they are right now, but Cody was in a much better position back then.

On GFW's vicious policies. I wonder if one of the head honchos is just looking at that company as a short tem investment and is trying to squeeze out as much money from it as possible before selling his shares in a few years. Did the ability to now being able to pay talent on time make them believe they're owed a cut of every single little thing the talent does?


CCharger - 8-7-2017 at 03:04 PM

* There is reportedly no heat on Nakamura for the Cena-Lands-On-His-Noggin Spot

* WWE is considering a "ROH Invasion" angle for NXT using all the recently signed and soon-to-be signed ROH talent

* Breezango are way over with Vince and Triple H, and could be getting a huge push moving forward.

* WWE is going Double Top Secret on the finish to the Universal Title Match at SummerSlam to the point that only Vince, HHH, Steph, and Bucky the Beaver will know going into the show who is going to win and that the wrestlers will only be told the finish minutes before walking out.


gobbledygooker - 8-7-2017 at 03:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Also, Jerry Lawler is going to face Cody for the ROH Title.


Wait, huh?


CamstunPWG187 - 8-7-2017 at 03:09 PM

Meanwhile, moments before the match result is told, Lesnar is heard from outside his private locker room counting by 100 and seems to be at the 799,100 mark.

Rumor has it that it's a shitload of cash.


Fandom - 8-7-2017 at 08:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

* WWE is considering a "ROH Invasion" angle for NXT using all the recently signed and soon-to-be signed ROH talent




Oh man I am so looking forward to this. It's been a while since the WWE put over an outsider faction for one week then had them job to John Cena.


First 9 - 8-7-2017 at 09:12 PM

Naah, they'll have Cena turn on WWE and join Team ROH as it's leader. Come SS it's Team ROH vs Team WWE with the final two being Cena vs Reigns. Also Shane O Mac and Miz are part of team ROH aswell.


CCharger - 8-7-2017 at 10:00 PM

Right. And the words "Ring of Honor" or "ROH" will never be uttered on any WWE programming during the duration of the angle.


Count Zero - 8-7-2017 at 11:34 PM

The Honorable Alliance.


lz4005 - 8-8-2017 at 12:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
The Honorable Alliance.


Team Honorable Mention


CamstunPWG187 - 8-8-2017 at 11:26 AM

I can't wait for the 400 diehard Indy fans in the audience's hearts to sink realizing that their boys are gonna get trounced at survivor Series.

Sounds like a good time.


DKBroiler - 8-8-2017 at 02:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
I can't wait for the 400 diehard Indy fans in the audience's hearts to sink realizing that their boys are gonna get trounced at survivor Series.

Sounds like a good time.


Nah ... one of them will get a random mid card push like RVD. Who? I have no idea.


OORick - 8-9-2017 at 05:38 AM

A super-duper-double-secret-probation-story that nobody's gonna talk about, but which might turn out to be a big deal several years from now:

Disney (which is ESPN/LucasFilm/Marvel, on top of Disney) just quit Netflix, and is starting its own OTT streaming service in 2019. For all their back-end infrastructure, they've already been partnered with MLB Advanced Media's BAMTech. BAMTech already hosts ESPN3, with plans on the books to spin that off as its own OTT service. Now, Disney owns 33% of BAMTech, and is adding a stand-alone General Entertainment service to the plans, too.

Oh, by the way, WWE Network is entirely hosted by BAMTech, too, and is -- by all accounts -- a rousing success story for a niche product.

Obviously, the synergy that Disney gets with ESPN OTT offerings is obvious. Less obvious is that this might drive HBO (owned by Time Warner) and any other partners with "upstream" corporate ownership away.... streaming services exist to cut out the middle man (cable/satellite companies) to reward the content producers, but efficient bundling of that content is still gonna be A Thing. [e.g. I am Lord King Dork of Star Trek Fandom, and there's no way in hell I'm paying for a stand-alone CBS streaming service just to see the new spin-off. You need MORE STUFF to ask people to pay for it.]

WWE is in a good place: in bed with NBCU, which is also Hulu, but also, Hulu kinda sucks and is the dirty outhouse of current streaming services. If BAMTech, now driven by Disney (and ESPN and Marvel and Lucas, and some other scraps they pick up), wants to really put the heat to Netflix, and create a streaming service that is rightfully viewed as a Super Bundle, don't be shocked if they figure out a way to work the WWE Network into it.

Alternately, WWE Network might be viewed as a better fit with the ESPN OTT service. More likely, when all is said and done, Disney will probably end up offering the two services as a package deal.... maybe not as a single product, but definitely with a package discount and some crossover between the two. Either way: WWE could make out like a bandit when it comes time to ditch their own little standalone effort.

I've actually tried to work out the future of OTT Streaming vs. Bundled Offerings (cable/etc) in my head a few times, and I always come down to favoring the prospects of the Content Producers over the middlemen.... but the exact amount of partnering necessary for a streaming service to reach "pay-for-it-able" status has always been my stumbling block. HBO can do it alone, WWE is doing great alone but may not be able to last in the Afterscape... mostly, you gotta be Netflix Big to be in the game (or offer your product as a microtransaction; $4/mo. or something, cuz $10 and up is for the big boys); Amazon is really the only other place I take seriously as a OTT Streaming Monster; Hulu, but only with more exclusive content.

BAMTech, losing HBO (for corporate reasons), but with the full Disney family, plus other existing relationships? Strong. WWE might wind up in bed with them by 2019, which is when their current NBCU deal expires.

Just sayin'.....


Rick

[Edited on 8-9-2017 by OORick]


CCharger - 8-9-2017 at 03:33 PM

Rick,

You're going to piss off Crunk because you didn't start a separate thread for that. Shame on you.

Other rumorz:

* The Rock is being strongly considered as a headliner for next year's WWE HOF.


Cherokee Jack - 8-9-2017 at 05:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* The Rock is being strongly considered as a headliner for next year's WWE HOF.
It's probably time. Even if he comes back to work another match at some point, the chances of him ever working another long-term angle again are slim to none. Combine that with WWE always trying to get mainstream publicity and Rock still being the hottest thing in Hollywood, and it feels like a no-brainer.

Also could come down to Undertaker and whether he's ready to really call it a career. If he's ready, he should be a "first-ballot" type and you do Rock next year. Otherwise Rock is a fine choice.


DKBroiler - 8-9-2017 at 05:38 PM

Rumor: Braun Strowman isn't a good fit for Juno 2.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCXwKBDvWl8


Gobshite - 8-9-2017 at 07:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OORick
Disney (which is ESPN/LucasFilm/Marvel, on top of Disney) just quit Netflix, and is starting its own OTT streaming service in 2019.



They've already done that here in Europe - its called Disney life, and is £5 a month for access to most of their back catalogue of animated films, some Disney channel tv shows and music. I'm waiting for the day they quit BSKYB over here, as that will fuck up our tv providers quite a bit.


Flash - 8-9-2017 at 09:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Rumor: Braun Strowman isn't a good fit for Juno 2.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCXwKBDvWl8


Stuff like this is what goes a long way towards making Braun a star that will last longer than his current push... just being able to laugh at himself and show a personality in other avenues.


CamstunPWG187 - 8-10-2017 at 07:37 AM

Braun's cool. I've actually really warmed up to him.

Meanwhile, here's something I read recently on 411:

-While most people backstage saw Shinsuke Nakamura’s dropping John Cena on his head during last week’s Smackdown as a fluke, one important name didn’t. Sports Illustrated reports that Vince McMahon was livid over the incident, particularly since Cena is still considered the face of the company at this point.

The site notes that McMahon being “furious” was not an indictment of Nakamura, but rather a defense of Cena. The site says that McMahon has not lost faith in Nakamura despite his anger over the situation. However, if Nakamura makes another mistake like that in a major spotlighted moment, he will likely have a very different opinion of the Japanese star.


Paddlefoot - 8-10-2017 at 09:39 AM

Be nice if they gave the same less-than-subtle warning to Nia Jax before she ends up putting one of the other girls in a wheelchair. Too strong, too big, too inexperienced, and too reckless is a shitty, dangerous combination all in one person for the other talent to face on a regular basis.


CCharger - 8-10-2017 at 12:48 PM

I'm sure janerd can make a meme out of this somehow:

Seth Rollins breaks Cena's nose, nearly cripples Sting, dislocates Finn Balor's shoulder, and no one says a word.

Shin Nakamura gives Cena a headache and EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS


Cherokee Jack - 8-10-2017 at 01:49 PM

To be fair, they did take the buckle bomb (the move responsible for two of those three situations) out of Rollins' arsenal.

Though I maintain that Cena bears at least some of the responsibility on that botch. The way he goes up with the move doesn't look like he's preparing to essentially do a full backflip on the bump, and it also looks like he might have tucked his chin at the end rather than have his head back, which also how (I think it was?) Yoshi Tatsu broke his neck taking a Styles Clash.


Gobshite - 8-10-2017 at 03:13 PM

I also thought it was just as much on Cena that the move went wrong. Surely he should have bee trying to do a complete flip over, and land on his front? That's why he was telling Nakamura to not be sorry.


GodEatGod - 8-10-2017 at 03:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
I also thought it was just as much on Cena that the move went wrong. Surely he should have bee trying to do a complete flip over, and land on his front? That's why he was telling Nakamura to not be sorry.


Yeah, it seemed to me more like he realized he wasn't going to get enough rotation to do the full flip and was just trying to salvage it as best he could. Honestly, it's amazing moves go smoothly 98 percent of the time, the margin for error in this shit is so low. Throw in it being your first time wrestling a guy (and on live TV in a big main event for that matter) and, yeah, it's just an accident, shit happens.


janerd75 - 8-10-2017 at 06:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
I'm sure janerd can make a meme out of this somehow:

Seth Rollins breaks Cena's nose, nearly cripples Sting, dislocates Finn Balor's shoulder, and no one says a word.

Shin Nakamura gives Cena a headache and EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS


So it is written, so shall it come to pass...in this delightful new goo non-rumo(u)r thread!

Catch-As-Catch-Can: The Non-Specific Wrestling Thread


PB-13 - 8-12-2017 at 12:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Be nice if they gave the same less-than-subtle warning to Nia Jax before she ends up putting one of the other girls in a wheelchair. Too strong, too big, too inexperienced, and too reckless is a shitty, dangerous combination all in one person for the other talent to face on a regular basis.


It's okay, she's Not Like Most Girls(tm).


Paddlefoot - 8-12-2017 at 01:12 AM

I formally request a Janerd-ification of the lyrics to Nia Jax' entrance theme.


janerd75 - 8-12-2017 at 03:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I formally request a Janerd-ification of the lyrics to Nia Jax' entrance theme.


Quit scummin' up the Rumo(u)rs thread and go here, Cana


DKBroiler - 8-14-2017 at 05:53 PM

Rumor: I miss the rumor thread.

MRTGA


Paddlefoot - 8-14-2017 at 08:05 PM

* WWE signed Adam Cole and he will be reporting to NXT soon

* acting even slower than Donald Trump in condemning a Nazi riot where people got killed, GFW finally stripped ADR of the championship title over the domestic violence incident with Paige at the Orlando airport; in addition there's talk that he and Paige also had a huge blowup backstage about three weeks ago at GFW with Alberto getting out of control and this too factored into GFW's decision


Chris Is Good517 - 8-14-2017 at 09:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Seth Rollins breaks Cena's nose, nearly cripples Sting, dislocates Finn Balor's shoulder, and no one says a word.



Nobody needed to say anything; Bret Hart wouldn't shut the fuck up about it for months.


Count Zero - 8-15-2017 at 06:10 PM

From Rajah:

quote:
There is another report from Sportskeeda that Naomi is expected to hold the Smackdown Women's title for the remainder of 2017 mainly due to the fact that WWE is looking to market her new look belt. However, the strap isn't expected to be available for sale until after Christmas.


I say the following with no irony or sarcasm. Is this essentially creating Female John Cena Spinner Belt? He was given a bit of leeway after the Smoking Skull et. al. proved popular, or somebody was given the leeway at least, and the Spinner Belt became a ginormous part of his eventual success.

So now, here we have The LED Belt For The New Generation, and it happens to be around the waist of a lovely lady. For someone thought by some as a "transitional champion, she's certainly taken the ball and run with it. I'm glad her "glow" caught fire, since I've been supporting RVShe since the days of Ass Voltron.

...Mmmm. Ass Voltron. Man, who -else- misses those days?


Flash - 8-15-2017 at 08:11 PM

When I went to the Raw in Toronto last week I was astonished by how many spinner belts people were walking around with.... hell, just how many belts of various levels of quality period (the 2 guys in front of me had 3 belts between them that looked like they cost a few hundred apiece). I only half glanced at the merch' table that had the belts on it, but I think they were still selling the spinner belts.

So yeah; I could see how Vince et al are salivating over what a Naomi neon belt might net them.... hell, even adding any old belt variation seems to be a potential cash cow.


lz4005 - 8-15-2017 at 10:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
When I went to the Raw in Toronto last week I was astonished by how many spinner belts people were walking around with.... hell, just how many belts of various levels of quality period (the 2 guys in front of me had 3 belts between them that looked like they cost a few hundred apiece). I only half glanced at the merch' table that had the belts on it, but I think they were still selling the spinner belts.

So yeah; I could see how Vince et al are salivating over what a Naomi neon belt might net them.... hell, even adding any old belt variation seems to be a potential cash cow.


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DKBroiler - 8-16-2017 at 01:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
When I went to the Raw in Toronto last week I was astonished by how many spinner belts people were walking around with.... hell, just how many belts of various levels of quality period (the 2 guys in front of me had 3 belts between them that looked like they cost a few hundred apiece). I only half glanced at the merch' table that had the belts on it, but I think they were still selling the spinner belts.

So yeah; I could see how Vince et al are salivating over what a Naomi neon belt might net them.... hell, even adding any old belt variation seems to be a potential cash cow.


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Totally random but that picture just reminded me of how RVD won the WWE Title. About a decade later I think I can safely say that the RVD v Cena match doesn't get the historical reverence that it should. It was EASILY one of the 10 best overall WWE championship matches in the Wrestlemania era when the atmosphere is considered.

"If Cena wins we riot" is the second best sign I've ever seen behind only "Batista loves fish sticks".


Jumbie - 8-16-2017 at 06:54 AM

Cena fans from the spinner era are in their 20s now and have disposable nostalgia income.


Flash - 8-16-2017 at 08:25 AM

Less rumour, and more of a statement, but the fallout from ADR and Paige's airport ordeal has now cost ADR the Impact title. The company in a statement said that while ADR was unfairly maligned by rumours as to what, happened, they still feel that he didn't conduct himself the best and that they expect more out of their talent, especially their champion. They went on to say that the matter of when ADR will be reinstated to the Impact roster is a private matter between he and them.

ADR in damage control mode tweeted out that it was his idea to have himself stripped of the title to show that everyone on the roster is equal.

TNA just brought on John Morrison/Mundo in what is expected to be a major role with the company.

Meh... this feels like one of those things where Impact is doing something more so it looks like it looks like they are doing something, as opposed to doing something.


CCharger - 8-16-2017 at 02:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Less rumour, and more of a statement, but the fallout from ADR and Paige's airport ordeal has now cost ADR the Impact title. The company in a statement said that while ADR was unfairly maligned by rumours as to what, happened, they still feel that he didn't conduct himself the best and that they expect more out of their talent, especially their champion. They went on to say that the matter of when ADR will be reinstated to the Impact roster is a private matter between he and them.

ADR in damage control mode tweeted out that it was his idea to have himself stripped of the title to show that everyone on the roster is equal.

TNA just brought on John Morrison/Mundo in what is expected to be a major role with the company.

Meh... this feels like one of those things where Impact is doing something more so it looks like it looks like they are doing something, as opposed to doing something.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

1. This was posted a few pages ago. Keep up.

2. Paige/ADR have their own thread. This should have been posted there.


Flash - 8-16-2017 at 04:44 PM

Well, as of this writing the ADR/Paige thread is now on page 2 of the current stuff forum (so out of sight, out of mind), and well... have you looked through the last few pages of this thread and tried to follow anything on it?

I will aspire to do better so that your policing of the website isn't so onerous for you.


Count Zero - 8-16-2017 at 05:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
Cena fans from the spinner era are in their 20s now and have disposable nostalgia income.
THIS may partially explain the success of fidget spinners? They're getting their kids hooked on spinny things?


CCharger - 8-16-2017 at 05:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Well, as of this writing the ADR/Paige thread is now on page 2 of the current stuff forum (so out of sight, out of mind), and well... have you looked through the last few pages of this thread and tried to follow anything on it?

I will aspire to do better so that your policing of the website isn't so onerous for you.

THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT


CamstunPWG187 - 8-16-2017 at 06:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
When I went to the Raw in Toronto last week I was astonished by how many spinner belts people were walking around with.... hell, just how many belts of various levels of quality period (the 2 guys in front of me had 3 belts between them that looked like they cost a few hundred apiece). I only half glanced at the merch' table that had the belts on it, but I think they were still selling the spinner belts.

So yeah; I could see how Vince et al are salivating over what a Naomi neon belt might net them.... hell, even adding any old belt variation seems to be a potential cash cow.


]


Totally random but that picture just reminded me of how RVD won the WWE Title. About a decade later I think I can safely say that the RVD v Cena match doesn't get the historical reverence that it should. It was EASILY one of the 10 best overall WWE championship matches in the Wrestlemania era when the atmosphere is considered.

"If Cena wins we riot" is the second best sign I've ever seen behind only "Batista loves fish sticks".


Hmmm, i agree with you but I also CAN disagree, since Vince made sure Cena was protected insanely so during the end game of that match. At a certain point, Cena had the match won. It wasn't going to go RVD's way. He had him beat.

To any ECW fan out there reading this, yes, I know, RVD winning in the way that he did was not unlike a lot of his TV title defenses having lots of interference, but this was a half decade past that point. RVD had been a significant part of WWE in terms of popularity with fans since the Invasion era, and Fonzie was not with him. Most people watching him had never seen that side of RVD, and if they had, it was whatever select matches were spread across several DVD's featuring ECW matches at the time.

Basically, to most fans watching, RVD didn't win cleanly whatsoever. He stole the belt from Cena and didn't really feel like a true WWE champion, even after his victory over Edge at the PPV a few weeks later.

Not to mention RVD got caught with pot with Sabu, and it just doesn't look to well for him. He was a blip on the radar in terms of past WWE Champions, which is a shame since I guarantee he would have held onto all the belts all summer long.

in fact, his getting caught with MJ along with Sabu might have been one of the big factors in influencing Vince to completely bury the brand within 6 months.

I love the match. Watching it a few years ago, it's still a brilliant atmosphere and one of the best matches I've ever seen from a sheer entertainment standpoint.

However, I'll never forget my old friend Dale Roberts saying under his breath during the celebration in my room - "it's just not the same". I'll never forget that and how it embodied the entire ending to the PPV.


CCharger - 8-16-2017 at 07:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
I'll never forget my old friend Dale Roberts


Wait. Is this the same Dale Roberts from Summerville who used to do bong hits out of a reconstructed 1972 Pinto muffler? Used to buy high school girls booze in exchange for hand jobs? Got arrested for impersonating an astronaut? Died last winter racing a train on the Old South Tressle with a snowmobile?

THAT Dale Roberts?

[Edited on 8-16-2017 by CCharger]


Paddlefoot - 8-16-2017 at 07:37 PM

The same Dale Roberts who got arrested in Charlottesville for trying to set a synagogue on fire? I heard a lot of former ECW fans were there for the march.


DKBroiler - 8-16-2017 at 08:10 PM

Camstun,

Rather than quote a quote of a quote that's been quoted (or something) figure hit a fresh reply. Everything you said is right. Essentially everything that could go wrong after the fact for RVD did, and no, One Night Stand was not the same as The ECW Arena shows. By the time ONS had aired we had already turned a bit of a societal corner where an exact replica simply wasn't ever going to happen, but I digress.

The match itself ... purely in a vacuum ... was on the level of Rock v Hogan for pure mark out excitement and in many ways MADE JOHN CENA which the historical significance of cannot be understated. Hell, it partially made Edge too. RVD might have actually gained the least from it in the long run.

But still ... if a non wrestling fan gave me one shot to make them a WWE fan I'd have to consider showing them that match because it's so easy to get invested in. Punk v Cena at MITB is probably the only one not involving the Undertaker or HBK in the last decade that reaches that level.


CamstunPWG187 - 8-17-2017 at 07:47 AM

Poor Dale


Count Zero - 8-17-2017 at 04:27 PM

Yeah, I can't even tell if Dale is a real person or a running gag, and I still feel bad for his life-choices despite that.


Paddlefoot - 8-17-2017 at 10:16 PM

I thought Dale Roberts was murdered at Black Flag's last concert. No, sorry, that was MadStepDad.

* both Petey Williams and Jim Cornette are allegedly going to be at the GFW tapings tonight; it looks like Petey is coming out of retirement but it's unknown as of right now as to what role (if any) Cornette will have with the company


First 9 - 8-18-2017 at 03:01 AM

Shelton Benjamin looks to be ready to be back anyday now.

With how crowded RAW is and how barren SD looks(their own fault for not using Harper and Tye though) I hope we get Shelton Benjamin answering AJ Styles US Open Challenge after SummerSlam.


Count Zero - 8-18-2017 at 04:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Shelton Benjamin looks to be ready to be back anyday now.

With how crowded RAW is and how barren SD looks(their own fault for not using Harper and Tye though) I hope we get Shelton Benjamin answering AJ Styles US Open Challenge after SummerSlam.
If he wins the US Belt in his first match back??

AIN'T NO STOPPIN HIM NAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! (I hate myself for doing that, and also for not being able to stop myself. )


DKBroiler - 8-18-2017 at 02:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Shelton Benjamin looks to be ready to be back anyday now.

With how crowded RAW is and how barren SD looks(their own fault for not using Harper and Tye though) I hope we get Shelton Benjamin answering AJ Styles US Open Challenge after SummerSlam.
If he wins the US Belt in his first match back??

AIN'T NO STOPPIN HIM NAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! (I hate myself for doing that, and also for not being able to stop myself. )


You, Count Zero, are the real Gold Standard.


rranddm - 8-18-2017 at 03:36 PM

Obviously not a rumor, but the second season of Southpaw Wrestling just dropped on the network.


CCharger - 8-18-2017 at 04:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Yeah, I can't even tell if Dale is a real person or a running gag, and I still feel bad for his life-choices despite that.

#dalerobertslifemattered


royberto - 8-18-2017 at 06:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rranddm
Obviously not a rumor, but the second season of Southpaw Wrestling just dropped on the network.
Youtube, not the network.


First 9 - 8-18-2017 at 09:40 PM

Bryan gave some strong accusations about the ''my doctors vs WWE's doctors'' battle.

Basically, his doctor cleared him, two WWE doctors cleared him but Vince himself insisted on another test. 4th doctor says he has a ''lesion'' in his brain. Bryan informs Vince, Vince busts out the waterworks and tells him to publicly retire days after. Original doctor rings Bryan up, asks him ''what the hell?''. Bryan tells him about the last doc and OG doc tells him that a lesion can mean anything and it isn't a literal cut in his brain.

OG doc thenl looks at the report says that they wrote in lesion because Bryan's reflexes are ''slower than expected'' but since they had no baseline they were comparing Bryan to MMA fighters(among other athletes). So there's a chance his reflexes weren't slow at all and Bryan is just closer to an average person than a big pro fighter. Bryan cries that his prime years were wasted.

On the upside(well from Bryan's POV) so much time off has done wonders to his brain and body. So it's a matter of when not if regarding Bryan coming back to the ring.


bopol - 8-19-2017 at 12:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by rranddm
Obviously not a rumor, but the second season of Southpaw Wrestling just dropped on the network.
Youtube, not the network.


Not as good as I hoped. I felt they relied too much on what amounted to a high school ish goofing off in front of the camera instead of trying to mimic old timey territorial wrestling.

Honestly, and the Netflix's GLOW series backs me up, but the truth of the era would totally make a great sitcom. A Buddy Landell character crashing 3 cars every year. Hercules Hernandez smacking the shit out of a fan that interfered in his match. The creating of a new monster heel (Kamala in Memphis). The characters of the era are so rich, it would be awesome.


CCharger - 8-19-2017 at 02:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Bryan gave some strong accusations about the ''my doctors vs WWE's doctors'' battle.

Basically, his doctor cleared him, two WWE doctors cleared him but Vince himself insisted on another test. 4th doctor says he has a ''lesion'' in his brain. Bryan informs Vince, Vince busts out the waterworks and tells him to publicly retire days after. Original doctor rings Bryan up, asks him ''what the hell?''. Bryan tells him about the last doc and OG doc tells him that a lesion can mean anything and it isn't a literal cut in his brain.

OG doc thenl looks at the report says that they wrote in lesion because Bryan's reflexes are ''slower than expected'' but since they had no baseline they were comparing Bryan to MMA fighters(among other athletes). So there's a chance his reflexes weren't slow at all and Bryan is just closer to an average person than a big pro fighter. Bryan cries that his prime years were wasted.

On the upside(well from Bryan's POV) so much time off has done wonders to his brain and body. So it's a matter of when not if regarding Bryan coming back to the ring.

Huh.

I wonder why Vince was so quick to urge Bryan to retire? And so reluctant to allow him back?

I wonder if it has anything to do with not wanting heat stolen from the guy whose name rhymes with Bowlin' Frames.


Katie Vick killer - 8-19-2017 at 03:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger

I wonder why Vince was so quick to urge Bryan to retire? And so reluctant to allow him back?

I wonder if it has anything to do with not wanting heat stolen from the guy whose name rhymes with Bowlin' Frames.


I wouldn't be surprised. Apart from changing his name from Bryan Danielson to Daniel Bryan, he is pretty much a self made man and not a Vince creation.

I would be very happy to see him in NJPW.


First 9 - 8-19-2017 at 03:49 AM

Bryan did make a point about saying he doesn't think less of WWE and understands the position they were in. He's just upset that his gut was telling him he could still go but he relented.

Honestly, I can see WWE's point. Bryan was a liability, much more than any other injury prone performer. He got into screaming matches with HHH about wanting to wrestle despite suffering a concussion mid-match and he LIED to them about previous concussions. When you got a performer who looks like they won't play ball in trying to be safe I can't flat out say it was the wrong decision to think ''you know what, fuck you! At the very next chance we get we're benching your ass for good.''

Hopefully this all works out for the best. Bryan leaves and helps build the profile of another company and pulls a Shawn Michaels-like return. Meanwhile with how careful WWE were with him, they're content just letting him go knowing that anything that happens going forward can't be blamed on them.


GodEatGod - 8-19-2017 at 04:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Katie Vick killer


I would be very happy to see him in NJPW.


I dunno. Oh, he could have killer matches, no doubt, and would be an immediate top contender. Bryan/Omega, Bryan/Okada, Bryan/Naito are all immediate, top-flight dream matches.

But after Shibata turned his brains into pudding with a headbutt earlier this year, I am...wary of someone with Bryan's history of concussions working strong-style.


GodEatGod - 8-19-2017 at 04:40 AM

Double post to add that Zack Sabre Jr to the list of guys I'd want to see Bryan wrestle.

[Edited on 8-19-2017 by GodEatGod]


CheMateo - 8-19-2017 at 09:33 AM

I am not particularly worried. I feel like enough doctors cleared Bryan that he should be well enough to perform. That is assuming Bryan changes his style up. So maybe we can get that beard vs mask match in Mexico for a sweet payoff for the Danielsons.

Bryan already developed a new style that is similar to the Monkey Kung Fu that Ricardo Morra used in Bloodsport. Bryan had actually developed this new style to use in a match with Brock. Man, I wish that match happened.

https://youtu.be/KWE7ywDyeeI

I do not particularly feel like the company is necessarily being 100% altruistic. They just do not want another mess on their hands. Hoping to avoid another Benoit/concussion fiasco.

Of course I could be way off base.


First 9 - 8-19-2017 at 03:29 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking Mexico is more likely, at least to start. Bryan has been going on forever about it. Although with the alliance between CMLL and NJPW he'd probably do both.

He also admitted that he talks with guys like Harper about how they're misusing him and think how much money he could make outside the WWE.


CamstunPWG187 - 8-19-2017 at 07:00 PM

Well, considering who he's tagging with at the moment, I'd say it's high time Harper got the fuck out of dodge.

Has he seen what certain promotions (*cough* PWG *cough*) are charging for their shows per ticket?

Go back and clean up.


GodEatGod - 8-19-2017 at 07:52 PM

Harper, I think, just got weirdly screwed by being with Bray Wyatt. It gave him an immediate aura and position, but he became a flunky. He's a big man who can move and wrestle and even cut a good promo if they let him, but fans are always going to see him as part of the Family. Maybe if they let him shave his beard and cut off his hair, but that would take an interest in him that I don't think the higher ups have at this point. One problem of having so much talent to choose from, including coming up from NXT, is guys who didn't quite live up to their potential at first don't get a chance to be a reclamation project.

That or they go from jobber to world champion in five weeks.

[Edited on 8-19-2017 by GodEatGod]


Paddlefoot - 8-19-2017 at 08:08 PM

* some protesting has been occurring around the Barclays Center in advance of Takeover and Summerslam by anti-Trump WWE fans who want Trump removed from the WWE HOF; they've been handing out flyers stating that if Hulk Hogan got removed from the HOF for racism then Donald Trump should be kicked out to; apparently, in an extension of the brutal persecution of anyone at RAW who shows up with a "who booked this crap?" sign, at today's protest where the flyers were being handed out a couple of WWE officials were seen trying to take away signs from the protesters


First 9 - 8-19-2017 at 08:46 PM

Wait Hogan's no longer a HOFer? It's a thin line but there's a difference between being a ''persona non grata'' with WWE not mentioning him and scrubbing him his image from a lot of crap compared to formally taking away his accomplishments.

It's not like when it's cool to talk to him again, WWE will reintroduce him into the HOF.


Flash - 8-20-2017 at 04:00 AM

I don't think Hogan was ever actually formally removed from the HOF (and if he was it's news to me); as in they issued a formal statement... more they gave him the quasi Jimmy Hoffa treatment and just "disappeared" him from a lot of stuff. Like if you search the HOF he's not there; but he's still there in the title lineage and stuff... and per the Wikipedia entry he's still in there in print publications as of 2016, they just moved him out of the online one.

Honestly the HOF is a nice nod, but you've got guys in there who've done little to nothing with the WWE, wife beaters, drug users, drunk drivers, murderers, and all manner of other reprehensible human behaviour. What Hogan said was shitty (even if it was a private conversation), but hardly the low water mark for grounds for being expelled from the HOF.


Katie Vick killer - 8-20-2017 at 04:26 AM

Eventually Hogan, Hall and Nash will all be re-inducted as a group (like Flair was) in to the stable wing of the HoF. Like herpes, Hogan will be back. However I wouldn't be surprised as a political move that DX will go in before the nWo.

What Hogan said was wrong and the HoF is full scumbags.

Wasn't there a movement to have Moolah removed due to sexual abuse claims?


Flash - 8-20-2017 at 04:58 AM

Yeah, I think there was maybe not a movement, but at least some noise about Moolah's past business practices.

It's probably why the WWE is putting more of a push on Mae Young for it's tournament and other stuff rather than Moolah despite Moolah being the more decorated performer (9 time world champ).


GodEatGod - 8-20-2017 at 06:31 AM

Personally, I think Halls of Fame should include the scumbags if they're important scumbags. A real Hall of Fame is a history museum and otherwise you're just whitewashing history and acting like it was full of nothing but heroes and champions and lah dee dah. That goes for regular sports, too - hell, probably moreso since WWE's Hall of Fame is only virtual.

Oh, and on the rumory front, somebody snapped a photo of Taker arriving in New York on an airplane on Saturday. Speculate away!


Paddlefoot - 8-20-2017 at 07:52 AM

* in the on-going defamation lawsuit by Dr. Chris Amman against CM Punk, WWE has made a legal application to the court that Punk be obligated to pick up half the legal costs which now total almost $250,000

* Tyrus/ex-Broadus Clay is no longer with GFW

* rumour is that the reason Baron Corbin's MITB was accelerated and resulted in a loss is that he has major heat backstage due to his incessant fighting on Twitter with numerous people, including Dave Meltzer; apparently Corbin's gone as far as to block other WWE personnel on Twitter as well that have confronted him


Flash - 8-20-2017 at 08:27 AM

It's hard to imagine Corbin having heat for what he wrote; I mean it's no different then the party line they gave Reigns 3 years ago about how you can't judge a wrestler without having stepped in the ring yourself (I did love Meltzer's retort to think before he tweets as by that logic his boss's opinion didn't count until 1998). At the end of the day verbally sparring with Meltzer isn't going to change anyone's opinion of Corbin; hell the WWE beats the dirt sheets to the punch half the time anyway, and the other half seems to be fed to TMZ.

As far as fighting with people on twitter A) he's been doing it for months now, B) He's a heel, and the WWE frequently uses twitter to push stories, and C) he's hardly alone on the WWE roster in calling critical fans/twitter trolls basement dwellers and other names.

Him dropping the MITB case is one of those things where it keeps the case fresh as not everyone wins automatically, and it puts a bit more heat on his match with Cena... which given Cena's limited schedule now is at least somewhat of a push; win or lose to do business with Cena. Plus; it's wrestling... it's not out of the realm of possibility that the cash in is voided.


royberto - 8-22-2017 at 02:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Yeah, I think there was maybe not a movement, but at least some noise about Moolah's past business practices.

It's probably why the WWE is putting more of a push on Mae Young for it's tournament and other stuff rather than Moolah despite Moolah being the more decorated performer (9 time world champ).
I think using Mae Young for the tournament was a Stephanie thing as Stephanie was close to Mae rather than anything Moolah may or may not have done.


bigfatgoalie - 8-22-2017 at 06:16 PM

Saw this on Scott Keith's blog...the wrestling sleaze list: http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/kotdm15/listsleeze.html

400+ wrestling urban legends.


Paddlefoot - 8-22-2017 at 08:26 PM

^ That list was actually posted here long ago in Retro and became the basis for one of the better threads we've had her. Lots of laffs available apparently from tales of the Valiants and Valentines shitting all over tables in hotel rooms.

Today's newz:

* Dana Brooke's boyfriend Dallas "Big Country" McCarver (age 26), a gigantic Bigg McLargeHuge type from the body-builder circuit, was found dead at home today, apparently having choked on some food while eating alone

* police have wrapped up their reports on the Paige/ADR incident at the Orlando airport from a couple months ago and no charges will be pursued against either of the coked-out alcoholic delinquents

* apparently the heat on Baron Corbin that led to the MITB cash-in loss is being blamed on his taking the kayfabe role too seriously and insulting a serving military person on Twitter

* Bobby Roode has been spotted today backstage at the Barclays for tonight's Smackdown show


First 9 - 8-22-2017 at 08:30 PM

Roode not even caring to try and get his rematch but instead immediately moving up after one defeat is perfect character work.


Matte - 8-22-2017 at 09:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
* apparently the heat on Baron Corbin that led to the MITB cash-in loss is being blamed on his taking the kayfabe role too seriously and insulting a serving military person on Twitter

And to anyone who doesn't know the story: Someone tweeted at Baron insulting him in some fashion, to which Baron replied along the lines of "you've done nothing important in your useless life" which garnered the guy to respond with his military rank or whatever, after which Baron apologized and thanked him for his service.

So if Baron got any heat for the exchange, it sets a precedent that nobody on the roster should say anything insulting to a fan on the internet because there's a chance that fan might be or have been in the service. Which is dumb.


Paddlefoot - 8-22-2017 at 09:30 PM

That's the schizophrenic way Vince rolls though. Any possible embarrassment that might cause public trouble for WWE's relationship with the military will end with whoever causes the issue to get tossed under the bus for a while. It's no-win for the talent. They're pushed to amplify their Twitter/FB/Instagram to an insane degree but if any minor controversy results they end up in the doghouse. Not fair, but working for a madman will always have it's drawbacks. Like happened with Titus last year over something really minor it's just Corbin's turn to eat shit for a while.


bopol - 8-22-2017 at 10:22 PM

Based on memory that can mean possible errors, but


George "The Animal" Steele told a story about how he was wrestling Sammartino in Boston Garden and they sing the National Anthem before the main event. Well, Sammartino faced the flag and the Animal attacked him. After it was over, he said, what could he do - he is an Animal. He's not going to stop for the National Anthem.

George Steele would be losing his main event push today...


punkerhardcore - 8-22-2017 at 11:25 PM

So dumb. Just because someone happens to be in the military doesn't mean they can't also be a raging asshole. And that guy can't be all that great of a person if he spends his free time insulting random TV personalities via Twitter.

But that's just me, I think all that shit in general is pathetic... the social media arguments, stuff like that. Unfortunately for Corbin, like Pad said, all Vince and Co. see is one of their employees insulting a 'MURICAN HERO, so he eats shit for it.


First 9 - 8-22-2017 at 11:55 PM

I think it's less WWE being petty and rather trying to prevent any hassle with their partners in the military. Finlay got fired one time for the old ''heel interrupts the national anthem'' shctick in a house show.

But I think the blocking WWE personnel on twitter is the real cause of the issue here.

[Edited on 8-22-2017 by First 9]


Paddlefoot - 8-23-2017 at 07:01 AM

* Big Cass had an MRI done today on his injured knee and it confirmed an ACL tear; he'll be out for upwards of nine months depending on the severity of the damage


CCharger - 8-23-2017 at 02:57 PM

Apparently the backstage heat is getting even worse for Enzo as Meltzer reports that "everyone hates him". Even JBL slammed him in a recent interview saying "the odds are against him making it" in the company.

"Now here's what's bad about it. Most of those guys except for Miz - Miz is the only one - never made it. Once the locker turned against these guys - they were sprayed with human repellent or whatever - they never made it. So the odds are completely against Enzo. Now I think he's very talented, I've had a good working relationship with him but apparently there's a lot of problems with him and the rest of the world."

The issue is that Enzo is an obnoxious loudmouth backstage who strikes many of the veterans as "disrepectful" to them and to the business, and he is disliked by many because they feel he never "paid his dues" in the business, but rather started out in NXT.

There is also the sense that the crowd is losing interest in him which could spell the end of Enzo in WWE.


Paddlefoot - 8-23-2017 at 03:10 PM

Enzo will be safe for a while, probably for at least another year, especially after he got a bigger pop by himself last night than all the other cruiserweights put together when he joined 205 Live. And there's also the inevitable reunion with Big Cass too when the tall dude returns from injury because that would be the sort of moment that WWE doesn't want to miss out on. Even in this new era I doubt Vince is going to start getting rid of guys, especially ones that can draw attention and money, just because other performers don't like him.


punkerhardcore - 8-23-2017 at 04:38 PM

Wait... Enzo is an obnoxious dick in real life, is disliked because he didn't pay his dues and only started out in NXT and the crowds are cooling off and/or turning on him?

Then why is he being punished? I thought that was the exact formula that led to one getting three straight Wrestlemania main events.


CCharger - 8-23-2017 at 04:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Wait... Enzo is an obnoxious dick in real life, is disliked because he didn't pay his dues and only started out in NXT and the crowds are cooling off and/or turning on him?

Then why is he being punished? I thought that was the exact formula that led to one getting three straight Wrestlemania main events.

I like the cut of your jib.

However, the answer to your question is that Bowlin' Lanes is the #1 merch mover for full time wrestlers.

Enzo Odiare is not.


First 9 - 8-23-2017 at 05:19 PM

You don't have to pay dues if daddy already did. Remember Orton beating Shawn Michaels on ppv at 23 years old?

The paying dues crap is bullshit anyway. It's come off as a bunch of pussies being bitter at hwo their boss hired but not having the balls to actually tell the boss.

It must be hilarious to see a lot of the old school fucks wants to lay it to Enzo but having to hold back because of HR.


CCharger - 8-23-2017 at 05:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
You don't have to pay dues if daddy already did. Remember Orton beating Shawn Michaels on ppv at 23 years old?

The paying dues crap is bullshit anyway. It's come off as a bunch of pussies being bitter at hwo their boss hired but not having the balls to actually tell the boss.

It must be hilarious to see a lot of the old school fucks wants to lay it to Enzo but having to hold back because of HR.

What old school fucks are still on the roster?


First 9 - 8-23-2017 at 05:29 PM

Most of them are now non-wrestlers, JBL, Road Dogg, Hayes, but considering how much Bill Demott fucked with Enzo back in developmental atleast a few probably wish they could do something but hold themselves back out of discretion.


DKBroiler - 8-23-2017 at 06:09 PM

That JBL quote is about a month old from Bring it to the Table.


royberto - 8-23-2017 at 06:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
So dumb. Just because someone happens to be in the military doesn't mean they can't also be a raging asshole. And that guy can't be all that great of a person if he spends his free time insulting random TV personalities via Twitter.

But that's just me, I think all that shit in general is pathetic... the social media arguments, stuff like that. Unfortunately for Corbin, like Pad said, all Vince and Co. see is one of their employees insulting a 'MURICAN HERO, so he eats shit for it.
He shouldn't be insulting people on twitter to begin with. You are being paid to be a professional. Corbin needs to act like it.


CCharger - 8-23-2017 at 06:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
That JBL quote is about a month old from Bring it to the Table.

A quote from a month ago can't be described as "recent"?

You know what else is a month old? My date last Friday night.


Chris Is Good517 - 8-23-2017 at 09:30 PM

I don't know if anybody else has seen it/heard it anywhere, but one of my buddies told me he saw a rumor that Rusev asked for his release a few weeks back, it was not granted to him, and then ten second job out to Orton at SummerSlam was in response.


First 9 - 8-23-2017 at 09:33 PM

WWE brass is said to be extremely high on Bobby Roode. They're already envisioning him as one of the top 5 guys in the company and will be booked accordingly.

Color me shocked that one of the most WWE-flavored guys outside of WWE is giving the higher ups boners. I can imagine Vince rolling his eyes at all the indy and international talent NXT has brought up and then taking a look at Roode and thinking ''Goddamn,finally! This guy I get.''

In other news JR and Lita had to redub their commentary for the Women's tournament.

[Edited on 8-23-2017 by First 9]


DevilSoprano - 8-23-2017 at 11:48 PM

Could they possibly have redubbed it with anyone other than JR?


CCharger - 8-23-2017 at 11:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Could they possibly have redubbed it with anyone other than JR?

Seriously? My guess is they had to redub it because Lita sucks ass on commentary and always has.


Paddlefoot - 8-24-2017 at 12:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I don't know if anybody else has seen it/heard it anywhere, but one of my buddies told me he saw a rumor that Rusev asked for his release a few weeks back, it was not granted to him, and then ten second job out to Orton at SummerSlam was in response.


Some of the dirtsheets are covering it now, with them saying that Lana will leave with Rusev too. Hey, what are Vladimir Bruisov and CJ The Breakdancin' Gator Girl doing in the GFW Zone, Josh?!?!?


Count Zero - 8-24-2017 at 12:12 AM

Heh. This is.... Heh.

http://pwinsider.com/article/111846/wwe-bans-beach-balls-last-night.html?p=1

quote:
Following a number of incidents involving beach balls at Summerslam and Monday Night Raw this week, WWE officially banned not just beach balls but all pool-related paraphenalia from last night's Smackdown.

We are told an edict from WWE was issued to all security staff at the Barclays Center informing them that beach balls, pool noodles or any other inflatable items that could be bounced around were banned from the event. There were several moments where fans sent beach balls out to be bounced around during Smackdown's broadcast, but the balls were quickly confiscated by Barclays Center staff and removed from the arena.

One would think the ban will be permanent going forward.

So. Apparently Beach Ball's popularity was a threat to Project Roman? You're not supposed to get yourself over, Ball. We wish you all the best in your future endeavours.


salmonjunkie - 8-24-2017 at 02:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Could they possibly have redubbed it with anyone other than JR?

Seriously? My guess is they had to redub it because Lita sucks ass on commentary and always has.


Word it is, the original commentary was fine, but Vince and Kevin Dunn wanted it redubbed with Jerry Lawler as their third.


janerd75 - 8-24-2017 at 04:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Hey, what are Vladimir Bruisov and CJ The Breakdancin' Gator Girl doing in the GFW Zone, Josh?!?!?


Hey, Assbutt!


Paddlefoot - 8-24-2017 at 05:03 AM

Yeah, but the real reason I don't care is precisely because football is so stupid.



[Edited on 8/24/2017 by Paddlefoot]


First 9 - 8-24-2017 at 06:42 PM

In what I think is a BS speculation, New Day simple dropped the Titles to regain them soon. Despite already being the longest reigning tag team Champions, WWE has chosen them to be the tag team with the most amount of reigns and the booking of the SD Tag Team division will be centered around that.

I can see WWE looking at New Day as a merch machine they want to keep milking for a few more years and to have them be The John Cena of the tag division. Being the main act with or without the belts. However, going out of their way to net them more tag reigns just to beat another record is a bit random.

[Edited on 8-24-2017 by First 9]

[Edited on 8-24-2017 by First 9]


bigfatgoalie - 8-24-2017 at 07:27 PM

So apparently Corbin's depush was more Cena saying Corbin wasn't ready than Twitter shenanigans.

If so...does preventing Corbin from becoming Swagger 2.0 make Cena a good guy? Or is he burying talent? Corbin looked dumb...but better than Sandow. And was in the main event on Thursday as the ref.

This may be one time where waiting to form an opinion is the best option.


Jumbie - 8-24-2017 at 09:25 PM

Which tag team currently has the most titles record and how many is it?


salmonjunkie - 8-24-2017 at 09:50 PM

The Dudley Boyz
WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time)
WWF/World Tag Team Championship (8 times)
WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time)
ECW World Tag Team Championship (8 times)
NWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time)
TNA World Tag Team Championship (2 times)
IWGP Tag Team Championship (2 times)

According to wikipedia, WWE recognizes them as the most decorated tag team in company history, with 18-time world tag team championship reigns (the 10 from WWE and 8 from ECW) while TNA recognizes them as 23-time world tag team champions (includes NWA, TNA, and IWGP)


First 9 - 8-24-2017 at 10:26 PM

I could see WWE focusing on the company only title reigns and just having New Day reach ten. Granted, that's still 7 more reigns they'd need to break that record. Unless they hot potato the belt like Sasha and Charlotte for a good long while that's still a few years away.

If they are into having today's talents be the record holders. I'd love to see Miz beat Honky as the longest reigning IC Champion.


the goon - 8-24-2017 at 11:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
So apparently Corbin's depush was more Cena saying Corbin wasn't ready than Twitter shenanigans.

If so...does preventing Corbin from becoming Swagger 2.0 make Cena a good guy? Or is he burying talent? Corbin looked dumb...but better than Sandow. And was in the main event on Thursday as the ref.

This may be one time where waiting to form an opinion is the best option.


If Cena saved us from WWE champion Baron Corbin, especially after continuing to suffer through WWE champion Jinder Mahal, he automatically gets my vote for Wrestler Of The Year (and possibly Greatest Man That Ever Lived).


salmonjunkie - 8-25-2017 at 12:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
I could see WWE focusing on the company only title reigns and just having New Day reach ten. Granted, that's still 7 more reigns they'd need to break that record. Unless they hot potato the belt like Sasha and Charlotte for a good long while that's still a few years away.

If they are into having today's talents be the record holders. I'd love to see Miz beat Honky as the longest reigning IC Champion.


The Usos have 4 reigns while The New Day have 3. Might be fun to see them go back and forth to get each other to 10.

The second most after the Dudleys is Edge and Christian with 7


DKBroiler - 8-25-2017 at 01:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by First 9
I could see WWE focusing on the company only title reigns and just having New Day reach ten. Granted, that's still 7 more reigns they'd need to break that record. Unless they hot potato the belt like Sasha and Charlotte for a good long while that's still a few years away.

If they are into having today's talents be the record holders. I'd love to see Miz beat Honky as the longest reigning IC Champion.


Funny you say that ... I was thinking today that I'd love to see a Miz v Joe program where Joe takes it from him and he keeps the IC Title for a lonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg time. Personally, I want Miz to win The Rumble. I know it's a pipe dream but that dude deserves a Universal Title run.

As long as they are smart about it and he uses his "annoying whatever it is that he does" (Joe said it perfectly) Miz should chicken shit the fuck out of the UT. The guy is money.


GodEatGod - 8-25-2017 at 01:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler

As long as they are smart about it and he uses his "annoying whatever it is that he does" (Joe said it perfectly) Miz should chicken shit the fuck out of the UT. The guy is money.


What Miz does is what they want to do with Jinder, except, y'know, effectively and with non-cheap heat. Not that Miz doesn't use cheap heat sometimes, but Miz uses every kind of heat. He really has become one of the very best heels of all time.


Jumbie - 8-25-2017 at 04:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod Miz uses every kind of heat. He really has become one of the very best heels of all time.


God, his little face run several years back, when he got the figure 4 off Flair wass soo bad.

But he's a natural heel. And he does so many small things right, from hair and makeup to posture and hand movements...


DKBroiler - 8-25-2017 at 03:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod Miz uses every kind of heat. He really has become one of the very best heels of all time.


God, his little face run several years back, when he got the figure 4 off Flair wass soo bad.

But he's a natural heel. And he does so many small things right, from hair and makeup to posture and hand movements...


That face run set him back about 3 years. I recall Steph busting his balls in a promo about peaking too early and, as shitty as it sounds, at the time she was right. Little did she know that Miz would then turn a MITB loss to Zach Ryder into 18 straight months of 1986 Flair level heelery.

If this was baseball we'd be trying to steroid test the guy for going full on Mark McGuire with his career arc. Except you can't test for whatever verbal steroids Miz seemingly invented.


Jumbie - 8-25-2017 at 06:38 PM

Annoyadrol


DKBroiler - 8-25-2017 at 07:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
Annoyadrol


Well played Jumbie, well played.


Paddlefoot - 8-25-2017 at 07:23 PM

Enzo once overdosed on that shit when he was a kid and hasn't been tolerable ever since.


DKBroiler - 8-25-2017 at 07:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Enzo once overdosed on that shit when he was a kid and hasn't been tolerable ever since.


Nah ... he just ate paint chips and meth.


Paddlefoot - 8-25-2017 at 08:04 PM

Vince is gonna ask Linda to ask Donny to re-legalize lead in paint and gasoline so we end up with more guys like Enzo just because he thinks folks like that are so goddamn funny.


DKBroiler - 8-26-2017 at 03:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Vince is gonna ask Linda to ask Donny to re-legalize lead in paint and gasoline so we end up with more guys like Enzo just because he thinks folks like that are so goddamn funny.


Undoubtedly Enzo will be great. He will be huge. He will be so greatly, huge, Enzo will be the most bigly great huge thing since ever. Since sliced bread. And let me tell you about sliced bread. No one knows sliced bread like me. I once owned a casino that sliced bread ...

and


Paddlefoot - 8-26-2017 at 05:30 PM

Not that it's ever gonna happen in these days of 100% scripted promos but it would be beyond hilarious if Enzo had a spastic encounter of some kind with someone who can think on their feet (like Ambrose, or Miz, or Alexa) and they simply said to him "what's wrong with you? lemme guess, you ate too many paint chips when you were a baby?".


Paddlefoot - 8-27-2017 at 08:39 PM

* Bad incident at an AAA event last night. In a triple-threat match Sexy Star put an armbar on Rosemary and legit injured her on purpose by using the move to cause an arm dislocation. Rosemary will miss some time but luckily the injury isn't as severe as originally reported. Twitter blew up last night with most of the GFW women blasting Star for her recklessness and overall attitude. Apparently Vampiro made Star go back to the ring and apologize but it came across as totally insincere. The backstage atmosphere was described as awful with the third woman in the match, Lady Shani, wanting to get at Star because Star was trying to injure her too.

Footage here. It's pretty bad.

Footage Of @LuchaElRey's #SexyStar Going Into Business For Herself At #TriplemaniaXXV Injuring @ImpactWrestling's @WeAreRosemary #Disgusting pic.twitter.com/DJ4awpZHCu

— Andre Corbeil (@andre_corbeil) August 27, 2017



[Edited on 8/27/2017 by Paddlefoot]


williamssl - 8-27-2017 at 10:24 PM

Does this end a person's career? Like....who would want to work with her ever again after this? Or is it a "someone gets revenge and fucks her up and then it's all good the end" kinda like baseball and the "code" of nailing people with the ball?


janerd75 - 8-27-2017 at 10:53 PM

So you watched Sexy Star at #TriplemaniaXXV last night too? https://t.co/98IULBtKw9

— ec3 (@therealec3) August 27, 2017




rranddm - 8-27-2017 at 11:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75






That looks like she's working. Clips from Pride when someone's elbow blows out show the attacker applying constant pressure and pushing his hips up to move the fulcrum and allow for pulling the victim's hand arm past straight. Sexy's shoulders hitting the mat are a limiting factor in how far Rosemary's elbow got stretched. It's definitely deliberate, and injuries happen even when everyone's on the same page, but there's room for this to be a work. Stay tuned.

[Edited on 8-27-2017 by rranddm]


Paddlefoot - 8-27-2017 at 11:35 PM

If the reactions of the other women wrestlers is genuine then it seems like Sexy Star is kind of universally despised, and was even before this due to her general attitude and because to her being over-pushed (in their opinion). Reading between the lines it looks to me like she has protection, from Vampiro and whoever else has the stroke in AAA, because she's also being openly blamed for Taya Valkyrie being stripped of the women's title and signing with GFW. So who knows if she'll retire or if anything will even happen to her because of this? Justice would be someone taking her out for good but odds are greater that after this none of the other women will get in the ring with her again.

Rosemary's injury has been updated to include some kind of a triceps tear as well, severity of which is unknown at the moment.


Count Zero - 8-28-2017 at 02:46 AM

All I knew about Star was that she was 1) sexy, like the same says and b) 'popular'. Appaaaaarently not back stage, she ain't (popular). That's a clown move, brah... er, sis. Rosemary always seemed to be a really good team player, especially during the Broken Era. She probably doesn't deserve this kinda crap from a diva (not in the WWE Diva sense, either).


anglefan85 - 8-28-2017 at 04:54 AM

https://twitter.com/WeAreRosemary/status/901970530684866560


Flash - 8-28-2017 at 04:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Does this end a person's career? Like....who would want to work with her ever again after this? Or is it a "someone gets revenge and fucks her up and then it's all good the end" kinda like baseball and the "code" of nailing people with the ball?


You would imagine that intentionally injuring your "partner" in the ring would be like THE cardinal sin in wrestling right? I mean you are essentially trusting your life in some spots to people, so for someone to take advantage of that trust and physical vulnerability you would think that would be a quick way to being shown out the door; and/or no one being willing to work with you ever again.

History tells us though that if you are Perry Saturn you get the Moppy gimmick, and if you are JBL you have to job to the blue meanie... I think Hard core Holly had to job to Sylvain Grenier(?)... so not exactly a harsh punishment.

Maybe it's dealt with in a such a lax way because shooting on your opponent, or stiffing someone is about as old as the business itself, and has been part of the history of dealing with guys with too big of a head, leaving the territory, or holding up a promoter for a pay day... I remember in one of the Rumbles Guerrero, Benoit, and Holly just chopping the shit out of Daniel Puder; odds are Vince opted to look the other way on that one because of the whole Angle/Puder fiasco... or you've got Verne Gagne actively putting a bounty on someone (Sheikh) breaking Hogan's leg when he left the AWA.

If anyone ever does a paper on wrestlers code of ethics/justice and the whole locker room traditions and all that jazz it would probably be one of the more interesting reads.


CCharger - 8-28-2017 at 02:39 PM

* Asuka will make her first appearance at TLC and will be on the RAW brand

* The Observer reports that part of Enzo's backstage heat is that he brags about his living in LA and how much money he makes/spends.

* Lo Ki left GFW because they asked him to lead the X Division, but he wanted to remain in the World Title picture.


williamssl - 8-28-2017 at 03:42 PM

I'm sure Enzo didn't endear himself by posting a picture of his (face value) $10k ticket to the M/Mc fight Saturday....

💰

A post shared by Enzo Amore (@real1) on





Mr. Owens had a solid response.


Hey, look! I made a better decision than Enzo did today. @WWE pic.twitter.com/0lHJkElfTD

— Kevin Owens (@FightOwensFight) August 27, 2017


lz4005 - 8-28-2017 at 03:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* The Observer reports that part of Enzo's backstage heat is that he brags about his living in LA and how much money he makes/spends.



Wouldn't be a surprise, considering how big a deal he makes of wearing a new pair of limited edition Jordans in every televised match. I'm sure he's got a hookup to re-sell them after, but jeez.


Flash - 8-28-2017 at 04:25 PM

I love that on Enzo's $10k ticket it says that $1 from the ticket sale will be given to amateur unarmed combat in Nevada... so generous. (I get that that this is probably standard boiler plate on all tickets, even the cheap ones).

I think it was the most recent Bring it to the Table that Graves touched on the Enzo heat; he basically said that Enzo lives IS his character 24/7. I'm sure he does okay enough off merch' and showing up on TV most of the time, but man... you'd think he'd realize that he's not exactly destined to move up the card any further, that his gimmick probably has a shelf life, and hey... pissing off all of your co-workers isn't the best idea. If Ric Flair can go broke living the gimmick anyone can.


salmonjunkie - 8-28-2017 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I'm sure Enzo didn't endear himself by posting a picture of his (face value) $10k ticket to the M/Mc fight Saturday....



FWIW, WWE.com covered him being at the fight, taking photos with Jamie Foxx, Chance The Rapper, and Jeremy Piven.

http://www.wwe.com/article/enzo-amore-in-attendance-for-mayweather-vs-mcgregor


Count Zero - 8-28-2017 at 05:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I'm sure Enzo didn't endear himself by posting a picture of his (face value) $10k ticket to the M/Mc fight Saturday....

I, too, love how $1 of the ticket price goes toward supporting Amateur Unarmed Combat in the state of Nevada, and the other 9999$ mostly went into Pretty Boy's Moneybags.

And would this work as a "reboot" of the Million Dollar Man? Enzo Amore, The Jet-Setting Jersey Motormouth? What I'm getting at, is what if they're embracing his "big-time douchebro" self, and sending him to things to get his photo taken with the other big-time douchebags. Not -likely-, I know; he probably paid for his own ticket and everything. I guess I'm bored and my imagination kicked in.

[Edited on 8-28-2017 by Count Zero]


royberto - 8-28-2017 at 05:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Does this end a person's career? Like....who would want to work with her ever again after this?


Hold my beer.

[Edited on 8-28-2017 by royberto]


DKBroiler - 8-28-2017 at 06:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Does this end a person's career? Like....who would want to work with her ever again after this?


Hold my beer.

[Edited on 8-28-2017 by royberto]


Roy wins.

I feel like it's time to haze someone else now. Someone just teach him our secret handshake*.






* Not Janerd.


janerd75 - 8-28-2017 at 07:32 PM

God DK, now I gotta put all my special handshake equipment away.


williamssl - 8-28-2017 at 07:47 PM

What did Jarrett do? Serious question.


denverpunk - 8-28-2017 at 08:29 PM

Well, the whole place was run by people who refused to pay Daffney' s medical bills after she had her career ended, so maybe that?


First 9 - 8-28-2017 at 08:50 PM

Also after Zema Ion was nearly paralyzed the scummy diots made a public announcement that said that they'd look after him then did jack shit as they let the all the burden fall on Zema's family.


DKBroiler - 8-28-2017 at 08:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
God DK, now I gotta put all my special handshake equipment away.




You never disappoint man. Hahahaha


bopol - 8-29-2017 at 01:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash


History tells us though that if you are Perry Saturn you get the Moppy gimmick, and if you are JBL you have to job to the blue meanie... I think Hard core Holly had to job to Sylvain Grenier(?)... so not exactly a harsh punishment.



Perry claimed to be out on his feet and realized he was out of control and tried to dump the jobber from the ring while he got control of himself. But, when he dumped him, he did it in a way where the jobber really could have gotten hurt. Honestly, I tend to think that Saturn wasn't totally responsible for his actions.

In JBL's case, the jobbing to Meanie meant several unprotected chair shots delivered with intent. Basically, Meanie and Stevie Richards got a free pass to beat the shit out of JBL and they did.

I don't remember the Holly/Grenier case.


Flash - 8-29-2017 at 05:42 AM

Yeah, I felt a bit conflicted about including Saturn on that list as I knew he had said that he was pretty out on his feet at the time... but then I thought; he did mess up enough that the WWE did feel compelled to punish him, and said punishment amounted to Moppy... which just underscores the point that they largely don't do a whole lot.

I think Meanie just got the one chair shot on JBL- and even his win came via Batista interference... Now going back and watching the vid' it was a stiff chair shot even by that era's standards, but I'm thinking JBL bladed for the spot, so it probably looked worse than it was... in saying that; who knows, maybe his did bust him open hard way.

As for Holly; my bad, it was Dupree, not Grenier; in a nutshell Dupree had asked if he could use Holly's rental car; Holly said no problem. Problem was Dupree got a ticket and didn't tell Bob about it- fast forward a few months and Holly has his license suspended and a bench warrant issued over the fiasco causing him to have to miss a weekends worth of shows and pay for the flight to Spokane to clear up the ticket. Apparently Holly gave Dupree a few chances to apologize/own up to it and he kept dodging him on it, so Holly kinda jumped him in the ring... Vince fined Holly $10k for doing it in the ring, but Dupree eventually owned up to it afterwards.

Holly also separate from the Rumble chop fest with Purer stiffed him individually in the ring as Purer was running his mouth about beating Bob multiple times on the house show circuit. Given the whole going into business for himself bit with Angle it sounds like there wasn't any heat on him for the Puder bit as Puder was universally despised backstage.


CCharger - 8-29-2017 at 12:58 PM

The issue with Saturn was he beat up Mike Bell who despite being a jobber was respected and well-liked by everyone backstage - especially Vince. Saturn has said he was concussed and didn't know what he was doing, but Vince didn't buy it and was furious.


Chris Is Good517 - 8-29-2017 at 09:49 PM

Holly was by virtually every account a dick in general who took liberties whenever he thought he could get away with it though. I remember Mick Foley mentioning in his book that Holly hit harder in a worked match than most people did in a legit fight. When you listen to wrestlers from that time period on podcasts and they mention "oh yeah, I loved so-and-so, he was a great guy", you know who you NEVER hear them mention? Bob Holly.

Anyway:

- Samoa Joe injured his knee at a house show in Jonesboro, AR on Sunday night and is expected to possibly miss up to six weeks.

- Xavier Woods injured his knee at a house show in Texarkana, AR last night and I haven't heard a timetable yet for him.

If Arkansas is where wrestlers' knees come to die, Smackdown is in Little Rock tonight so I have hopes for Randy Orton.


bopol - 8-29-2017 at 11:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Yeah, I felt a bit conflicted about including Saturn on that list as I knew he had said that he was pretty out on his feet at the time... but then I thought; he did mess up enough that the WWE did feel compelled to punish him, and said punishment amounted to Moppy... which just underscores the point that they largely don't do a whole lot.

I think Meanie just got the one chair shot on JBL- and even his win came via Batista interference... Now going back and watching the vid' it was a stiff chair shot even by that era's standards, but I'm thinking JBL bladed for the spot, so it probably looked worse than it was... in saying that; who knows, maybe his did bust him open hard way.

As for Holly; my bad, it was Dupree, not Grenier; in a nutshell Dupree had asked if he could use Holly's rental car; Holly said no problem. Problem was Dupree got a ticket and didn't tell Bob about it- fast forward a few months and Holly has his license suspended and a bench warrant issued over the fiasco causing him to have to miss a weekends worth of shows and pay for the flight to Spokane to clear up the ticket. Apparently Holly gave Dupree a few chances to apologize/own up to it and he kept dodging him on it, so Holly kinda jumped him in the ring... Vince fined Holly $10k for doing it in the ring, but Dupree eventually owned up to it afterwards.

Holly also separate from the Rumble chop fest with Purer stiffed him individually in the ring as Purer was running his mouth about beating Bob multiple times on the house show circuit. Given the whole going into business for himself bit with Angle it sounds like there wasn't any heat on him for the Puder bit as Puder was universally despised backstage.


With Saturn, I tend to believe him because I can't think of why he would lie, but he did put Bell at risk.

With JBL, when I watched the match, I noticed that JBL also worked very light on Meanie (compared to how he normally worked). Only the clothsline from hell looked rough and JBL certainly popped Richards and Nova good, but the chairshot he took was nasty. I took that to be "you need to accept the punishment" type of deal.

With Holly, I always felt that Vince let him get away with shit because somehow he admired the tough guy act (or maybe it was legit). But yeah, you never heard about people liking Holly.

The whole Puder thing was bullshit. Puder made Angle look bad, but the whole thing was really set up to make the Tough Enough contestants look bad. Puder didn't go off script, he just did what was told to him and he had the decency to not break Angle's arm. But I took the whole 'kick the shit out of him' act to be one to give Vince another boner.

It's funny but all this shit was happening around 2005 too. Things seem to have settled in WWE since then.

As far Sexy Star, yeah, I'd be very careful when working in the US now, because someone might shoot on her ass.


punkerhardcore - 8-30-2017 at 12:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bopol
As far Sexy Star, yeah, I'd be very careful when working in the US now, because someone might shoot on her ass.


I think there's a video of Brad Maddox doing that to Paige.


Paddlefoot - 8-30-2017 at 12:06 AM

I was a seaman back in dubya-dubya-two. They sent me over there. Now I just send it all over my wife's ass.

- Kissel


janerd75 - 8-30-2017 at 12:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bopol
...because someone might shoot on her ass.




I've worked with better. But not many. Thank you.


bopol - 8-30-2017 at 02:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
Originally posted by bopol
As far Sexy Star, yeah, I'd be very careful when working in the US now, because someone might shoot on her ass.


I think there's a video of Brad Maddox doing that to Paige.


POTY. Meltzer gives it 6 1/2 stars.


Gobshite - 8-30-2017 at 11:50 AM

So, is Mike Kanellis the new record holder for shortest amount of time between WWE debut and taking time off to go to rehab?

He made his WWE Debut at money in the bank on June 18th and entered rehab on July 15th. That's just 27 days! Is this a victory of sorts for the wellness policy maybe - not failing for a banned substance, but detecting high levels of stuff that has forced Mike to confront his demons?


DKBroiler - 8-30-2017 at 01:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
So, is Mike Kanellis the new record holder for shortest amount of time between WWE debut and taking time off to go to rehab?

He made his WWE Debut at money in the bank on June 18th and entered rehab on July 15th. That's just 27 days! Is this a victory of sorts for the wellness policy maybe - not failing for a banned substance, but detecting high levels of stuff that has forced Mike to confront his demons?


So he really was overdosing on love? Amazing.


royberto - 8-30-2017 at 05:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Gobshite
So, is Mike Kanellis the new record holder for shortest amount of time between WWE debut and taking time off to go to rehab?

He made his WWE Debut at money in the bank on June 18th and entered rehab on July 15th. That's just 27 days! Is this a victory of sorts for the wellness policy maybe - not failing for a banned substance, but detecting high levels of stuff that has forced Mike to confront his demons?
His rehab was supposedly before he started with WWE. Also he stated he was two months sober so that puts him in rehab before July 15th.

[Edited on 8-30-2017 by royberto]


CCharger - 8-30-2017 at 08:59 PM

* The part of the Cena/Reigns promo where Reigns forgets his line and Cena mocks him for it has been edited from the WWE's YouTube and Twitter accounts

* It is believed that Cena will beat Reigns at No Mercy and eventually win the title from Lesnar. Their rematch will be at Wrestlemania where Cena will return the favor and pass the torch to Reigns.


Chris Is Good517 - 8-30-2017 at 09:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* It is believed that Cena will beat Reigns at No Mercy and eventually win the title from Lesnar. Their rematch will be at Wrestlemania where Cena will return the favor and pass the torch to Reigns.


Call me crazy but I actually like this better than Reigns beating Lesnar. Don't ask me why.

As to Bennett, I don't know anything about his rehab but he's sure the most compelling argument I've seen yet as to why yes, guys should have a run through NXT before appearing on the main roster. Yikes. Aj is the exception, not the standard.


Paddlefoot - 8-30-2017 at 10:27 PM

I think with Bennett and Maria it's more of a case that they saddled them with a really uninteresting gimmick than can't draw a dime on it's own than from any failure on the performer's part. Maria and Mike could also be looking at it in the same way that Christian and Gail Kim did with their last times in WWE, as in "fuck it, we're still getting paid better now than we ever were before". And, as has been seen a hundred times before with outside talent that came in, Vince just isn't interested in using whatever characters the performers built for themselves outside of WWE. Maria turning herself into a hyper-sexy perfect-assed jezebel in ROH and Japan, or an evil uber-bitch in TNA, wasn't something that WWE was going to do with her at all.


salmonjunkie - 8-30-2017 at 10:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bopol
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Yeah, I felt a bit conflicted about including Saturn on that list as I knew he had said that he was pretty out on his feet at the time... but then I thought; he did mess up enough that the WWE did feel compelled to punish him, and said punishment amounted to Moppy... which just underscores the point that they largely don't do a whole lot.



With Saturn, I tend to believe him because I can't think of why he would lie, but he did put Bell at risk.



Saturn's comments:
"“Moppy” started as a punishment, but it worked out because the character got over. I worked with a guy named Mike Bell, and he accidentally put me on my head twice in the match. He did not do it deliberately, but it just knocked me out on my feet. I blacked out and just beat the sh– out of him and didn’t even realize it. WWE was pissed, and when I explained to them what happened, I explained that I was out on my feet and I didn’t really know what I did. “Moppy” came out of my explanation to where they used it like a punishment-type thing. I didn’t want to do it, but you have to do what they want to do, but it ended up getting over for them."

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/768967-perry-saturn-comments-on-traumatic-brain-injury-diagnosis-being-thankful-for-recent-help-how-his-moppy-gimmick- started

[Edited on 8-30-2017 by salmonjunkie]


Paddlefoot - 8-30-2017 at 10:43 PM

Plus it led this kind of greatness:


Flash - 8-31-2017 at 12:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
* It is believed that Cena will beat Reigns at No Mercy and eventually win the title from Lesnar. Their rematch will be at Wrestlemania where Cena will return the favor and pass the torch to Reigns.


I really hope that's not true; Cena's been THE guy for you for so long, and beating Flair's record is a pretty monumental achievement that should happen on the big WM stage with a proper story line behind it; not handed the title in an off PPV just to be fed to project Roman in a scene that can't help but be booed.

I guess that's the difference between the WWE creating history, and staging history... Reigns doesn't need a hand off; I mean putting him over Undertaker did nothing for him other than continue to cement a dislike for him... now you want to put him in direct opposition with Cena for the love of those that cheer for him?


Paddlefoot - 8-31-2017 at 12:43 AM

Cena/Reigns should get as long to build and flourish as Cena/Edge or Reigns/Strowman did. They're both too big to wrap it up over several minor PPV's. This needs to burn all the way from No Mercy to Survivor Series to RR and then Mania.


Flash - 8-31-2017 at 04:52 AM

I don't object to Reigns versus Cena; I think with the right build it could be good to great as both guys can work; but I think if you throw it out there with the Rock/Cena build people are going to shit on it. Maybe you turn the tables and put the title on Reigns- that way he finally gets his win over Lesnar, and could get some wins over Cena... that way the story is Reigns standing in Cena's way from capturing a record 17th title and Reigns get's the big wins en route to finishing the story.

Or... don't put the title in the mix there. Spread the wealth around... Cena versus Reigns will be pretty big anyway; why not save Lesnar for someone else to make their bones on.


First 9 - 8-31-2017 at 05:47 AM

I don't know about Reigns vs Cena turning into a long spanning rivalry like the ones Pad metioned. The closest equivalents would be Cena vs HHH and Cena vs Batista as far golden boy vs golden boy goes and those weren't year long series of matches.

Face vs face is tough to extend to the length of something like Cena vs Edge which started in January, ended it's first big chapter in September of the same year and would be rewindled several times through out the years.


SpiNNeR72 - 8-31-2017 at 12:12 PM

The problem is the payoff. There are lots of cool options to go down, earning of mutual respect, simmering hatred leading to "shoot" beatdowns, hell even comedic possibilities.

Cena can give everything he has to anything they come up with, but as long as the payoff is a Reigns victory...


Cherokee Jack - 8-31-2017 at 12:49 PM

First off, we're going to move the title from one part timer to another? Meh.

Secondly, after the kind of dominance Brock has show over his run, the guy they're finally going to relay some of that heat to is John friggin Cena? JFC.

Finally, did they not learn their lesson when they tried to do that "passing the torch" ending at WM a few years back with Rock and Cena when the crowd was booing the shit out of it?

No, evidently they did not.


Katie Vick killer - 8-31-2017 at 01:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cherokee Jack
First off, we're going to move the title from one part timer to another? Meh.



Actually it'll be the 3rd part timer in a row,
Goldberg > Lesnar > Cena. Extra Meh.


DKBroiler - 8-31-2017 at 03:59 PM

All of this is really a moot point because no matter what happens from now until January the Rumble will reset Raw this year.

Cena wins the Rumble if they want 17 at WM.
Reigns wins if they must do Brock v ReBOO.
Brock wins if he drops the title and needs a rematch v Strowman.
Strowman wins if he has truly surpassed ReBOO.

And, then, if it has all gone to shit The Miz is due for a signature win.

Only then should a SD guy be considered this year. Long story short, the next 4 months seem to all be booked towards January, and not April.


anglefan85 - 8-31-2017 at 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
quote:
Originally posted by bopol
As far Sexy Star, yeah, I'd be very careful when working in the US now, because someone might shoot on her ass.


I think there's a video of Brad Maddox doing that to Paige.


You nearly owed me a new laptop after I almost spat out my coffee on my screen


GodEatGod - 8-31-2017 at 11:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler

Only then should a SD guy be considered this year. Long story short, the next 4 months seem to all be booked towards January, and not April.


Honestly, I was kind of hoping for AJ to win this year. If they do eventually put the title on Shinsuke, AJ's the best WM opponent for him and the company's supposedly high on him. Only downside is that it would, indeed, be two Smackdown guys in a row and god forbid that happen. But Randy shouldn't have fucking won it last year to begin with.


williamssl - 9-1-2017 at 02:09 AM

There had been talk of Styles/Shinsucky at Summerslam. If true they definitely have it on their minds and WM would be a great place for it.


Flash - 9-1-2017 at 05:49 AM

This will sound a bit conflicting; but what I want for the Rumble is that for the first time in the last several years we don't get the most obvious choice... but at the same time; it's always good when you get a winner that organically fits into a storyline so the win feels like it achieved something (maybe an early spot guy goes the distance... hasn't happened for 10 years).

You can kinda have both when you put in enough work on the storylines before hand so that the winner steps into a ready made/must see feud... they just need to do enough work to keep the field wide enough that the finish is in doubt for once by giving enough guys storylines.

I just look at the last few years of the rumble and it feels like a damaged brand to an extent (although easily fixed by having a good rumble)... Obvious winners, no one to really get excited about...

2014- Batista
2015- Reigns
2016- HHH
2017- Orton

Why not throw a wrench into the mix this year and have a completely off the board winner like Zayn or Cesaro win it... You could then have the heel GM's be against him getting the spot and try and take it off him.

Also; we've got enough to ladies now that they could do a 20 person female RR... so maybe SD wins one, and Raw wins the other?


GodEatGod - 9-1-2017 at 06:09 AM

I definitely did not expect Orton to win this year. While I expected him to feud with Bray, I didn't expect it to be for the title. His winning was a very big WTF to me.


Paddlefoot - 9-1-2017 at 06:23 AM

I wonder how much gasoline fumes, simultaneous with a massive stroke rocketing into his brain, Vince would have to huff before he decided that having Enzo win the RR would be a great idea?

Having a Miz, Cesaro, or Rusev win the RR would definitely be unexpected. Just can't see it happening as WWE had just gotten that much more conservative and hidebound and predictable with that event over the last half-decade. Ahh, fuck it. It's not worth worrying over. All I'm looking forward to is posting more insane reaction clips from Twitter when Roman enters the damn thing again.


G. Jonah Jameson - 9-1-2017 at 11:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I definitely did not expect Orton to win this year. While I expected him to feud with Bray, I didn't expect it to be for the title. His winning was a very big WTF to me.


Yeah, seriously. There were zero in in-storyline hints that Randy Orton was going to win the Royal Rumble this year; the only reason anyone predicted it was because word somehow leaked out from the WWE offices. Were it not for that factor, I suspect he would have barely cracked the top 10 of potential winners; definitely behind Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Chris Jericho, the Undertaker, the Miz, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt and a returning Finn Balor, if you can count him. Though, having said that, if WWE wanted to have an unpredictable winner this year, there were a lot of better choices than Orton.

Personally, though of course I appreciate unpredictability, I think a predictable Rumble winner is perfectly acceptable if it's done right. Chris Benoit was the most obvious choice going into 2004, but his win was still a great moment (for another three and a half years, anyway). Ditto Batista in 2005 and Rey Mysterio in 2006.


DKBroiler - 9-1-2017 at 03:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by G. Jonah Jameson
quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
I definitely did not expect Orton to win this year. While I expected him to feud with Bray, I didn't expect it to be for the title. His winning was a very big WTF to me.


Yeah, seriously. There were zero in in-storyline hints that Randy Orton was going to win the Royal Rumble this year; the only reason anyone predicted it was because word somehow leaked out from the WWE offices. Were it not for that factor, I suspect he would have barely cracked the top 10 of potential winners; definitely behind Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Chris Jericho, the Undertaker, the Miz, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt and a returning Finn Balor, if you can count him. Though, having said that, if WWE wanted to have an unpredictable winner this year, there were a lot of better choices than Orton.

Personally, though of course I appreciate unpredictability, I think a predictable Rumble winner is perfectly acceptable if it's done right. Chris Benoit was the most obvious choice going into 2004, but his win was still a great moment (for another three and a half years, anyway). Ditto Batista in 2005 and Rey Mysterio in 2006.


For what it's worth, somewhere in this site is a post from me from early last fall where I said "Orton has been jobbing so much that it's almost like ... oh no ... he's gonna win the Rumble." Granted I pulled it squarely out of my ass but it happened. We might want to just keep an eye on whatever top 10 guy who starts relentlessly jobbing over the next 3 months for our most "WWE logical" winner.


Flash - 9-1-2017 at 05:24 PM

Maybe I "hindsighted" Orton's win and latched onto the rumours going around at the time than what happened on tv- my bad; but it was still so knowingly underwhelming to the WWE that they sent Reigns out there so everyone would boo the shit out of him maybe winning again that Orton was made palatable by comparison... that's not good booking, or how they should end the kick off PPV for the road to Wrestlemania.


DKBroiler - 9-1-2017 at 06:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Maybe I "hindsighted" Orton's win and latched onto the rumours going around at the time than what happened on tv- my bad; but it was still so knowingly underwhelming to the WWE that they sent Reigns out there so everyone would boo the shit out of him maybe winning again that Orton was made palatable by comparison... that's not good booking, or how they should end the kick off PPV for the road to Wrestlemania.


I wonder how many people even remember why we started booing ReBOO? Say what you will about Philly not being as intense as it used to be, but the flood of ReBOO hate poured out from them on Rumble night. Doubling down on the Bootista move of not letting Daniel Bryan win the Rumble, while in retrospect was right (Bryan had like 3 matches left give or take), was such a colossal screw up its insane. All they had to do was not what they did and people would like ReBOO 5000 times more than now.

Only a few months before this ReBOO was a big fan favorite in that Fatal 4 Way where he jumped to the main event.

Lesson learned: don't fuck with Daniel Bryan.


First 9 - 9-1-2017 at 11:09 PM

I wouldn't be suprised if SD wins again. During the last Brand Split SD dominated, from 03 to 11 there were only 3 winners from RAW(Batista, Cena, and Orton). For a while(06-11 with one exception) it seemed like they worked with the set up of one brand getting the Rumble win and the other getting the WM Main Event spot.

So yeah, it might AJ getying the Rumble win and to get the simple build heading to Mania while the Cena/Reigns/Braun/Brock set up is figured out for the real headlining match.


Flash - 9-2-2017 at 03:56 AM

There's also always the old rule that the winner of the rumble chooses his own opponent; so really the brand that wins matters less than the brand that is ultimately chosen.


Paddlefoot - 9-2-2017 at 10:57 PM

* new stories are making the rounds about what exactly it was that caused Baron Corbin's sudden de-push; apparently, in a pre-show meeting several weeks ago, the talent were assembled and addressed by Dr. Joseph Maroon, WWE's medical director and retired neurosurgeon, for a refresher/safety talk about concussions and CTE; word is that Corbin kind of got in the doctor's face several times and was basically hijacking the discussion with some kind of running "blah blah I played football and boxed blah blah I don't need you to tell me about concussions blah blah" commentary; WWE officials in the meeting were not impressed and re-jigged the storylines for Corbin to lose the MITB cash-in and in addition be made to look like a schmuck in his Summerslam match with John Cena; there is no indication so far that the return to the mid-card for Corbin had anything to do with Cena pulling rank on him


janerd75 - 9-3-2017 at 12:08 AM

'Twas reading some of the same things aboot WWE's own Dr. Mengele. CM Punk, no doubt, would like a word.

This human hatrack is still a thing??...what a con man pic.twitter.com/hbQBoEmqWP

— Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) July 26, 2017



A quote from a poster in the redditverse:

He stated in a paper a few years ago (2015) that CTE was over-exaggerated in contact sports and a "rare phenomena". In the same paper he failed to disclose his 30 plus year working relationship with the NFL and his then 7 plus year working relationship with the WWE. This is all to say that his position is just about what the movie Concussion and the documentary League of Denial paint him as.


Paddlefoot - 9-3-2017 at 12:14 AM

Then again.....

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/01/05/portrayal-of-steelers-doctor-in-concussion-ignites-anger/


Count Zero - 9-3-2017 at 12:33 AM

When "Doctor Maroon" tries to tell you anything, his name ought to disqualify him.

Maroon is a terrible color.

(Sheesh, whatta maroon!!! *facepalm*)


williamssl - 9-3-2017 at 11:59 PM

LET'S GO CAMRY!
CAMRY SUCKS!


Count Zero - 9-4-2017 at 06:03 AM

JBL is in that commercial, if you look really closely...


First 9 - 9-4-2017 at 05:33 PM

Graves is set to replace JBL on SD.

That's going to make those SD vs RAW matches a bit awkward.


williamssl - 9-4-2017 at 06:53 PM

But ....this already has its own thread...

...and you posted in it, so you know it existed.


...and this isn't rumor.



First 9 - 9-4-2017 at 06:55 PM

My bad,


williamssl - 9-4-2017 at 06:59 PM


CamstunPWG187 - 9-7-2017 at 06:48 PM

Holy fuck, thats the single most annoying gif I've ever seen.

Seriously, get it the fuck out of here


Count Zero - 9-8-2017 at 03:51 AM

Okay, this is not a RUMORZ but it doesn't really deserve a whole thread, unless it is in the "games" section -- tech version I mean. I looked there, and I didn't see any Madden-related threadery, so... Here I'se goes.

The commercial featured during the 3rd Quarter of the Pats vs Chiefs Gridiron (football) game for the New Madden game had Marshawn Lynch (I think? I wasn't recording the game, so I can't double-check) in it. Stuff happens, and then in the background I heard a very familiar song. Shazam confirmed my suspicions, and this is what it wuz:



[Edited on 9-8-2017 by Count Zero]


denverpunk - 9-8-2017 at 04:30 AM

I noticed that too. I've definitely heard the Hardy Boys and Owen Hart's themes during ESPN highlight reels over the years, not to mention Booker T's in Kids in the Hall.


Flash - 9-8-2017 at 09:34 AM

I was reading a bit about this, and basically whatever Jim Johnston (or these day's CFO$) wouldn't write, the WWE would just use something called "production music"- which is basically dirt cheap music to license because there are (to my understanding... ie I read the first paragraph on wiki... I'm not a music guy, so this whole post might be a "duh, everyone knows this kinda thing- if so sorry) no artists to pay fee's to, instead it is work for hire and the whole music is owned by a production library that has a catalogue of thousands of songs/bits of music that they can then rent out to TV/radio or whatever.

Apparently WCW was notorious for using this cheap source of music as a cost cutting measure... hence why said music could appear on both Kids in the Hall and as Booker's entrance (ditto for the Hardy's and ESPN). It sounds like the WWE actually went ahead and bought some of these bits of music years after they were using them, so you'll probably see less of this now/going forward unless the WWE is licensing out the song- ie the Cena music spot a few posts above.

Fun fact: Booker's entrance music is called "Dead white guys"...


G. Jonah Jameson - 9-8-2017 at 11:15 AM

Yeah, there's tons of production music out there. It's more geared toward companies with less money to spend, but WWE used to use it on occasion for guys who were just starting out, if they weren't sure how much to invest into them or didn't have a clear sense of what their music should sound like. You can see that with a handful of specific themes. Like, if you look up one called "Rough Rock," you'll probably recognize it as the music Marc Mero used when he came back in 1997 with the boxer gimmick, but it was also used by the Renegade in WCW and briefly by Bill DeMott when he dropped the Hugh Morrus gimmick in WWE. I believe Jamie Noble's initial WWE theme has also been reused by multiple people -- at least for Jack Swagger in his first few matches.

Usually WWE drops the production music after a little while and goes with something recorded in-house, but sometimes the production music fits the wrestlers so well that it gets super over, and then they can't switch it, as happened with the Hardy Boyz. I had kinda thought "U Look Fly 2day" was a WWE original until I saw it in that commercial recently, but I guess that explains why WWE switched Too Cool to that "Bangin' it" theme for no apparent reason.

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Fun fact: Booker's entrance music is called "Dead white guys"...


That's his King Booker theme. I believe the WCW holdover he's best known for is called "Rap Sheet."


janerd75 - 9-8-2017 at 03:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
I noticed that too. I've definitely heard the Hardy Boys and Owen Hart's themes during ESPN highlight reels over the years, not to mention Booker T's in Kids in the Hall.



Count Zero - 9-8-2017 at 06:15 PM

I didn't even realize the Rikishi/2 Cool song even had a name... Like, all the years I heard them using it, and I didn't realize the guy was saying "you look fly today".

That Kids In The Booker T thing is amazing. I wish I had seen it when I was younger, when both Harlem Heat & Kids in The Hall were still both things on tv.

What's even sillier is that I am aware of production music (SportsTV uses a ton of it), and I just realistically assumed that Jim J. really DID write -everybody's- themes. So when I heard the 2 Cool music in the commercial, I thought it was a case of WWE letting their music be used for "popular things" like Madden. Derps!


DKBroiler - 9-8-2017 at 06:22 PM

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