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OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (September 22, 2014)
OORick - 9-22-2014 at 09:48 PM

Tonight on RAW: we turn the page and start the journey to Hell in the Cell... the obvious headliner for that show will be a Lesnar/Cena rematch, inside the Cell, presumably at the behest of John Cena (who will want the Cell to keep out interference after last night's shitty cop-out non-finish)... also, presumably, Paul Heyman will try to weasel out, since Cena got his one obligatory rematch, thus creating what will pass for "drama" before said match is eventually confirmed...

Of note: Brock, himself, will not be present at RAW, so Heyman will be handling all the talking (outside of any backstage bits Brock might have taped yesterday)...

Then, there is no doubt in my mind the #2 HitC PPV match on the depth chart will be Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins... I was sorta looking forward to milking it for a bit before Rollins was forced into another one-on-one, but with Reigns out, I just don't see a tag match that makes sense... the only real question is whether they somehow manage to turn it into a secondary Cell match, or if they'll stick to just one of those on the PPV...

As far as the HitC undercard goes, you pretty much have to grant the Usos, Ziggler, and Paige their title rematches... at the very least, I think you can save the Usos/Dusts match back till the PPV... likewise, there's no reason to pull the trigger on AJ/Paige (one on one, and free of Bellas) until HitC... but I'd be perfectly OK if they did some hijinx with the IC Title, and had Ziggler take his rematch sooner, and then rebuild the IC Title match as a 3- or 4-way at the PPV (with Sandow, at least, and possibly also Truth); there's just a lot of fun moving parts to work with, there, and it'll keep the IC Title situation fresh even as we head towards 4 months of Ziggler vs. Miz...

But past those 5 stories, pretty much everyone else is due for a reset, including some pretty big names... Randy Orton has nothing on his plate... Bray Wyatt's nemesis-free, at this point, same goes for US Champ Sheamus (no matter how much last night whet our appetites for a rematch with Cesaro)... I see nothing to be gained from doing Rusev/Henry again, so who's next for Rusev?....

Presumably, this SHOULD mean that Big Show/Henry will refocus their energies on being a tag team... if so, then you slot them against Harper/Rowan, with Bray back to his more puppet-master-y ways, only wrestling sporadically, which is a fine and dandy direction to go (and better than having him slum it by going for a secondary title, or whatever rumor it was that Meltzer was trying to float last week)... and I'm still all-in on the idea of Rusev's next Dick Move being a US Title win, so why not kill two birds with one Rusev/Sheamus feud?

Orton's a bit more problematic, but in reality, Christian not nearly as injured as Cole made him out to be last night (he's actually been cleared for a few weeks), so maybe you build on last night's little exchange, where Orton prematurely took credit for retiring Christian, and do an Orton/Christian mini-feud? After 6 straight months of losing every big match, Orton could use another "get well" program, and I think Christian would provide the right mix of credible opposition while still being essentially expendable... I wouldn't hold my breath that the matches end up as good as the ones 3 years ago, but I also don't think they'd suck...

And then you've still got all the undercard material to work with, too: we can't be too far off from the Bunny being revealed as part of the Rose vs. Slater Gator feud (Zayn and Gabriel have both played the Bunny, but neither is expected to be under the mask for the reveal; my money's still on Darren Young)... there has to be SOME kind of closure/climax to Dallas/Swagger, besides Bo just winning all the matches and hitting his catchphrase; WWE's already flushed Swagger's unexpected babyface goodwill, it seems, so do you consider having him heed Bo's advice, and dump Zeb to team with Bo?... and a bunch of the NXT guys are once again at tapings this week (as they were last week; but they weren't used as Vince wanted to focus more on building NoC), under the impression they'll get used... but how? Despite the "Next Generation" tease, I don't think it'll be a huge Radicals-style takeover/debut (I expect that tease to be a floptastic announcement regarding the 2K15 game), but I think I speak for all of us when I say any excuse to get guys like Neville/Zayn/et al on TV is a good one...

Oh, and tonight, they're in Memphis, so Jerry Lawler something something...

The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!


nOOb - 9-23-2014 at 12:41 AM

I did like how Ambrose and Cena aren't automatically friends since they both hate Rollins. Will be interested in how that plays out...next week, when the Bears don't have a MNF game. Thinking is that if I don't watch any more Raw than the first segment, it'll be good. Taking the hit for you guys.


Nikhil - 9-23-2014 at 12:44 AM

And thats why we are getting Orton vs Cena for the 891st time


PB-13 - 9-23-2014 at 02:09 AM

It'll be different this time! Kane and Rollins will be at ringside, so the odds will be stacked against John Cena!

Oh wait...


the goon - 9-23-2014 at 02:20 AM

WrestleMania XXXI main event: Brock Lesnar vs The Bunny.


gobbledygooker - 9-23-2014 at 02:24 AM

What's up with the almost-weekly new theme of somebody getting locked in a room?


G-Spot - 9-23-2014 at 02:24 AM

Whoever was the bunny tonight was white, so I wonder...if they do go with Darren Young as the reveal, do they just hope people won't notice the skin color of his arms/wrists the last few weeks?

edited to add....Last night and tonight have made me realize how much of a better actor Mark Henry is than the Bella's.

[Edited on 9-23-2014 by G-Spot]


gobbledygooker - 9-23-2014 at 02:25 AM

If Darren Young is the reveal, that will be the most anti-climactic reveal since the Gobbledygooker.


janerd75 - 9-23-2014 at 02:28 AM

Please Bellas. Stahp. Please...


denverpunk - 9-23-2014 at 02:32 AM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the excellent Ziggler/Miz match earlier. Quality stuff.


G. Jonah Jameson - 9-23-2014 at 02:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
It'll be different this time! Kane and Rollins will be at ringside, so the odds will be stacked against John Cena!

Oh wait...



CCharger - 9-23-2014 at 02:48 AM

So it's Sting in the box right? Or CM Punk? Or Austin?


G-Spot - 9-23-2014 at 02:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
So it's Sting in the box right? Or CM Punk? Or Austin?


They're in "Mayemfis Tayneesee" so I'm expecting Andy Kaufman's corpse.


gobbledygooker - 9-23-2014 at 02:54 AM

all three.

And Undertaker.


denverpunk - 9-23-2014 at 02:56 AM

Did I blink or were the Wyatts totally absent from the show?


BlueChipper - 9-23-2014 at 03:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
Did I blink or were the Wyatts totally absent from the show?


They weren't.

Guess they've officially fallen out of favor with management.


nOOb - 9-23-2014 at 03:24 AM

I figure they had a Wyatt/Big Show program planned that fell through because of either a Show injury, a Show bi-monthly vacation, Vince not wanting Show to lose, or because Show had gas. Whatever reason it is that Show constantly disappears for long periods of time.


gobbledygooker - 9-23-2014 at 03:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nOOb
Whatever reason it is that Show constantly disappears for long periods of time.


Possibly also the fact that he's in his 40's (I think? I don't care enough to Google) and he's ginormous and they don't want him to die.


First 9 - 9-23-2014 at 03:56 AM

So Seth Rollins is the no.2 heel after Lesnar right(HHH probably won't have his own angles till next year at the pace things are going)? That's pretty cool. Along with Ambrose getting four segments, his theme starting and ending the show, adn the strong reactions pretty much guarantees he's close to being made as possible for somebody not in the title hunt. Reigns is likely coming back with a super push so all three Shield guys look to have great futures.

I think Darren Young is a good pick for the bunny. He's not a bad speaker and good enough wrestler but can't connect with the audience so give him the over the top gimmick and keep guys who have found their footing away from that mess.


CM Crunk - 9-23-2014 at 04:45 AM

I've only caught the opening segment thus far, but I've gotta say that IF they were so inclined....I'd be okay with Ambrose and Cena forging a Riggs and Murtaugh-esque relationship.

And I say that as probably this bOOards biggest Ambrose mark, and as someone who's so over Cena I can't even bring myself to be mad at him anymore.


CM Crunk - 9-23-2014 at 04:45 AM

[double post]

[Edited on 9/23/2014 by CM Crunk]


whyme - 9-23-2014 at 05:01 AM

So thanks to a last minute offer from a friend, I got to attend Raw.

Hadn't been to a show in probably 4 years. Actually enjoyed most of the matches.

Miz/Ziggler was hands down the best match. Crowd was really into it.

I knew Rusev was going to win because you could see the flag above the ring waiting to be dropped.

The security guy that had the tatoo on him that was in front of the door holding Ambrose was a server at Buffalo Wild Wings. It kept driving me crazy cause I recognized him from somewhere so by the end of the night, it finally donned on me that I had seen him there a few times.

The bunny was by far my favorite part of the night. Just so random and crazy. My friend asked me how long till he was Champion.

Another highlight happened when AJ got thrown into Paige, a drunk guy in the section yelled for Paige to toss her salad. Got a chuckle from the adults in the area.

After the show went off, some moron decided to jump the barricade and charge towards Cena. He didn't get far before one of the security guys flung him to the ground. If the security guy didn't get him, the ref was about to.

One big difference I noticed between this Raw and past shows i've gone too is the amount of kids. This was by far the most vocal i've ever heard a crowd in all the different shows i've been too in Memphis and I think it has to do with the kids. It was nice seeing them act like I used to until I stumbled upon some guy called The Rick.

All in all it was a fun show.


Dominator - 9-23-2014 at 06:46 AM

* Wow, Ambrose and Cena were going to have some fun and then... FF.
* Fun I-C Match to start off.  Absolutely hysterical (as usual) was Sandow when Miz applied the Figure 4 and Damien applied his own imaginary Figure 4 on an invisible opponent on the outside.  I heartily guffawed.
* Dallas/Swagger is waning.  Need to freshen it or finish it.
* TWOODNAAVE infiltrating storylines again.  I contend this match could've been just as good if not better without said contrivings.
* Ambrose/Kane was OK.  Kane seemed a little off his game tonight.
* Y'know, I'm about sick of all these guys like the Usos, Dusts, Cesaro, and Sheamus just putting on quality matches in every environment possible, regardless of their place on the card.  It gets so redundant and boring.  This is today's Opposite Comment.
* Rusev/Henry told a better story tonight, but I still didn't like it as much as I did Rusev's battles with Swagger.
* Way to discourage BunnyMania, JBL.  If that wasn't obvious reverse psychology, I don't know what is.
* Nikki Bella promos starting to make my head hurt.  Now they're arguing over the name?  Fine.  Brianna Bryan works for me.  Nice and alliterative.  Nikki can put an N on her right breast and a B on her left and we can start calling her Nice Boobs Nikki Bella.  Yippee.  I gave these girls enough of a chance to get their act together and make this compelling.  I yield.  Sorry girls.  My script for you was so much better. http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=28863&page=1#pid471278
* Y'know, as much as they've shown Ambrose locked up, I'm sure he's going to find some way out.  By the way, I think it was 4 full recaps of the opening mess.  Way to time manage, WWE.
* So The Rick says Ambrose was hiding in the cinder block box? Who thought to store it in the same room they locked Dean in in the first place? And how did they get the box out? And why didn't they notice Ambrose missing from the room? My head hurts again.


CM Crunk - 9-23-2014 at 07:04 AM

I can't be the only one, right?



Dominator - 9-23-2014 at 07:06 AM

Cena and Punk look so different without makeup.


PB-13 - 9-23-2014 at 01:23 PM

Amazing how quickly Cena attaches himself to the latest hot act in the hopes that a few people might stop booing him.

My only guess is that Rollins has his current theme music because the Headbangers passed on it and WWE didn't want it to go to waste.

When even the commentators are wondering what the hell Would-Be-Mrs.-Cena is trying to do, that's pretty bad.


Frank Lloyd Wright - 9-23-2014 at 03:16 PM

Great match between Ziggler and Miz. I think they realized what a bad decision it was to take the belt off of Ziggler to begin with at NOC.

Everything I've read, the bunny was played by Justin Gabriel and is currently being played by Sami Zayn. When they eventually do the reveal, please don't let it still be Sami Zayn.

I know what they are trying to do for Rusev, but did they have to completely destroy Mark Henry's credibility in just 48 hours? "That's what I do!" and "Hall of Pain" have become a distant memory.....sigh

It was mentioned in the previous post, but does Cena have to glom onto everything that is hot at the moment, in this case Ambrose? The life force in my body disappeared when his music hit after Ambrose sat in the middle of the ring. Glad that Ambrose told Cena to go fuck himself.

No Wyatts....really?

[Edited on 9-23-2014 by Frank Lloyd Wright]


Count Zero - 9-23-2014 at 06:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by a few people, so I'm responding to the original quote
Did I blink or were the Wyatts totally absent from the show?

(sarcasm begins here) Well, since they haven't done anything new in MONTHS, their act is so stale that they've been pulled for repackaging. Cuz, y'know, OBVIOUSLY this gimmick is too weird and complicated and nuanced to get over with the crowds.(end sarcasm)



Holy people. These things happen occasionally. Once is a thing, twice is a whatchamacallit, three times is a pattern. Okay, so I'm paraphrasing.

[Edited on 9-23-2014 by Count Zero]


nOOb - 9-23-2014 at 06:09 PM

For the record, I do expect the Wyatts to be back next week...as main event opponents for the tag team of John Cena and Dean Ambrose (a match they won't win, BTW).


denverpunk - 9-23-2014 at 07:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero

Holy people. These things happen occasionally. Once is a thing, twice is a whatchamacallit, three times is a pattern. Okay, so I'm paraphrasing.

[Edited on 9-23-2014 by Count Zero]


You're right, because talented, over guys never get demoted without any good reason in WWE, and not being booked on a PPV (or it's attendant RAW) when you're supposedly one of the brightest new stars in the company means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Adam Rose has gotten more screen time lately.

I'm not ready to say Wyatt's being buried, but he sure as hell isn't being pushed.


Anthony - 9-23-2014 at 07:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PB-13
My only guess is that Rollins has his current theme music because the Headbangers passed on it and WWE didn't want it to go to waste.





Those two themes really sound the same to you?


First 9 - 9-23-2014 at 08:01 PM

He's treading water until a spot opens up or somebody with influence gives a shit about him again. It's why being capable of shaking off hack writing and bad booking has become such an integral part of being a succesful top guy. Punk, Bryan and others had to put up with pure crap that seemed designed to hurt them and being so good that they managed to survive it is the biggest reason they eventually made it.

Bray Wyatt has the chops to recover from the damage that's bee done to him but I feel that for him to catch fire again he'll have to change it up or get an extended personal feud with somebody.


Frank Lloyd Wright - 9-23-2014 at 08:06 PM

In regards to Wyatt, who is left for him to go against on the current roster? He has gone through Kane, Bryan, Cena, Jericho and Big Show (maybe?). My thinking is that they are going to finally have him go for some gold. Ziggler is what's being rumored. Just the contrast in character and in ring style, might make it an interesting feud. To see Wyatt with a strap over his shoulder would be a nice visual. Also, let's be realistic here, Bray Wyatt is highly thought of in the organization. They know they have a special talent there and will let it go to waste.


punkerhardcore - 9-23-2014 at 08:27 PM

On the subject of Rollins' theme music... he and Ambrose are too over to be stuck with generic guitar riffs like that. They need to contact some bands and have them redo their songs. Keep the basic music, but make it into something that stands out more.

Just like in the past when Benoit/RVD/Batista had these at first:
http://youtu.be/2-go5-VrS0c
http://youtu.be/KuoVWlW3Mi0
http://youtu.be/wbvOeMTGngw


janerd75 - 9-23-2014 at 08:30 PM

Considering the location, I'm surprised the Wyatt's weren't involved. But, I'm just glad Florida/Georgia Line got pushed at the 9.99PV. Because yokels gotta yoke.

As for Bray, I don't see what the big deal is. I'm sure he'll be back at full creepy strength in no time. Jeez, is this the place to come to bitch or what? It's like that fence-jumper that made it into the White House and now everybody's losing their minds. Hell, I was complaining when he got in five years ago and nobody was listening to me then.


PB-13 - 9-24-2014 at 01:05 AM

Rollins' theme sounds like something the Headbangers would use, anyway.


Flash - 9-24-2014 at 02:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by BlueChipper
quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
Did I blink or were the Wyatts totally absent from the show?


They weren't.

Guess they've officially fallen out of favor with management.


Not that it's entirely stopped them in the past few weeks, but there was a story going around that Luke Harper was dealing with a pretty significant eye injury which is why he and Rowan were used sparingly... I imagine the truth is closer to the WWE just doesn't have any ideas for what to do with Wyatt at the moment... Although I do think if done right giving the Wyatts a bit of a rest from TV could work with his character, but only if his return is treated like a thing, instead of him just being thrown out there on Smack down randomly, and then needed on Raw whenever HHH decides to do one of his everybody line up on stage why I talk moves that he seems to be fond of.


Paddlefoot - 9-24-2014 at 02:49 AM

All current themes pale before that of Rusev. Rusev crush! America sucks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cQe4RYi0xE

[Edited on 9/24/2014 by Paddlefoot]


First 9 - 9-24-2014 at 04:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Flash
HHH decides to do one of his everybody line up on stage why I talk moves that he seems to be fond of.


This tells me that WWE to atleast a certain level cares about Wyatt. Besides the very top guys, everyody takes part in those somewhat emasculating stand on the stage promos with the exception of Bray and his clan. More than that, he's only the heel that the Authority has used without a pointless HHH barks orders backstage promo. Orton,Kane, Cesaro and everybody else who HHH has used has to have a backstage promo where HHH orders them around but thus far Bray hasn't had to deal with that. So at the very least they are protecting the gimmick now if they could only focus on his in ring credibility we could get something going.


janerd75 - 9-24-2014 at 04:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
All current themes pale before that of Rusev. Rusev crush! America sucks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cQe4RYi0xE

[Edited on 9/24/2014 by Paddlefoot]



Paddlefoot - 9-24-2014 at 04:48 AM

That too.

*sigh*


denverpunk - 9-24-2014 at 05:14 AM

Reigns needs a new theme, too. That old Shield song has got to go. Ambrose's theme is basically Crash Holly's old theme with a better intro. Rollins theme just sucks - they've done shitty, generic metal enough. Something like Drew's old theme would work for him.

[Edited on 9-24-2014 by denverpunk]


JSpec - 9-24-2014 at 02:21 PM

How does Ambrose getting out of a locked and guarded room and hiding out in an oversized box at ringside not qualify as "embarrassed to be a wrestling fan" material? Good odds on no explanation whatsoever next week too, because really what would make any sense?

The bunny, however, now that's good stuff!

They should have a lost and dejected Mark Henry join the Wyatts - he's got the beard for it!


PB-13 - 9-24-2014 at 04:02 PM

Per Ambrose on Main Event: There was a back door.


Count Zero - 9-24-2014 at 04:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
I'm not ready to say Wyatt's being buried, but he sure as hell isn't being pushed.
Weren't people here not too long ago "praising" the return of the WWE-Midcard?

What does everybody want? Everybody in the main event, every week, all the time, as the complete and total focus of EVERY STORY EVER?

I realize I'm getting a bit hyperbolic here, but I think that's what's happening on the other side of the debate. "oh noes! guys not on tv! it's DOOOM!" Maybe they all had bad shellfish from catering, or something, and we just didn't find out about it through the smarky channels, for once. Don't worry, I'll whine & gripe if/when the Wyatts get screwed over, since I've been a huge mark for Bray since day 1 AND because I have terribly-little-faith in the WWE (qv. "how i figured they'd screw up Daniel Bryan"). I just don't think THIS is "screwed over", not yet.

People were burning out on the Wyatts, saying it was "getting stale", wanting them to add new members, etc etc etc. So they take a week off tv, and everybody's panties are bunched. Which is it?


nOOb - 9-24-2014 at 08:24 PM

The problem is that once Vince gets his projects, nothing else gets done. He's got an overly elaborate plan involving the Authority, Cena, Ambrose, and possibly Brock Lesnar, and it's very clear that he knows he struck gold with the US/Russia turmoil while having a wrestler AND valet he could make pro-Russian, so those are his two things right now: Rusev and the Main Event scene. And while that's good that the two programs they're working on involve guys who could very well be main event fixtures for a long time, the drawback is that no one else benefits. The IC Title has changed hands twice over the past four days (and a new IC title feud looks to be started on Smackdown, though how long that lasts is up in the air). Bo Dallas, after starting undefeated, inexplicably lost to R-Truth, then followed that up by looking like he had a PPV ready feud with Jack Swagger, only to have that wiped out after Swagger beat him twice cleanly on Raw. It doesn't seem like WWE knows whether or not they want the US Title to be an afterthought or a part of the show. Hell, when Reigns and Rollins weren't specifically a part of the main event scene this past month, they did their PPV match on FREE TV with a clean result before Reigns got hurt. The booking is just all over the place to the point where, if they're not fighting for or around the World Title or for 'Merica, they're out in the cold.

For the record, without spoiling anything, the Wyatts aren't on Smackdown either. And they weren't on the C Show, Main Event. And, judging from how the show goes, Wyatt really isn't left with any potential programs for HiaC.


Gobshite - 9-24-2014 at 10:40 PM

So they can leave him off TV until HiaC, then have them magically appear inside the cell during the Ambrose / Rollins Match. That could lead to them VS Ambrose, while Cena gets Rollins and Lesnar either A) misses survivor series, or B) takes on someone not named Cena.

Hell, I'm still convincing myself they'll turn Wyatt face sometime soon. They could actually do that at the end of Rollins/Ambrose, hand them protecting the loose cannon and start a Wyatts vs Authority series. We already know from the start of the year that most combinations of the Wyatts, Ambrose and Rollins worked well together, so let's have more of that...


Dominator - 9-25-2014 at 02:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
What does everybody want? Everybody in the main event, every week, all the time, as the complete and total focus of EVERY STORY EVER?

Now you understand the IWC. You are now ready to face The Trials.


denverpunk - 9-25-2014 at 02:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
]Weren't people here not too long ago "praising" the return of the WWE-Midcard?


Yes, but that's not what this is about. This is about a guy not being on the card AT ALL.

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
What does everybody want? Everybody in the main event, every week, all the time, as the complete and total focus of EVERY STORY EVER?


No.

quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
People were burning out on the Wyatts, saying it was "getting stale", wanting them to add new members, etc etc etc. So they take a week off tv, and everybody's panties are bunched. Which is it?


Why is it an either/or question? I can't speak for anybody else, but I don't recall seeing much "Hey, too much Bray" on these bOOrds. A lot of people want more of him, not less. And it's not just that he's been off TV - he hasn't been written off; they've just stopped using him. A lot of that might be because of WWE's horrible year regarding quittings and injures, but Wyatt wasn't taken out or 'written off'. He's in the middle of 'creative has nothing for you right now', without a visible plan. Not having one for a guy who most people consider to be a singular talent seems strange. Maybe it's nothing, sure, but it feels weird.

[Edited on 9-25-2014 by denverpunk]


Count Zero - 9-25-2014 at 05:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
Why is it an either/or question? I can't speak for anybody else, but I don't recall seeing much "Hey, too much Bray" on these bOOrds. A lot of people want more of him, not less. And it's not just that he's been off TV - he hasn't been written off; they've just stopped using him. A lot of that might be because of WWE's horrible year regarding quittings and injures, but Wyatt wasn't taken out or 'written off'. He's in the middle of 'creative has nothing for you right now', without a visible plan. Not having one for a guy who most people consider to be a singular talent seems strange. Maybe it's nothing, sure, but it feels weird.

[Edited on 9-25-2014 by denverpunk]
You've already made up your mind, it seems, and it leans towards "he's getting shafted". And that's sort of my point: It's not "omg he's fired" or "omg he's on tv everyweek". People need to stop freaking out if a guy who is crazy-popular doesn't show up on television in one given week.

I can't argue with your stance that "wwe creative has nothing for him", but that doesn't necessarily mean he's fallen into disfavor. "WWE creative has nothing" for a lot of people who are still employed on a weekly basis and on our television sets. (They're relying on "total divas" to provide the storylines for 90% of their female workers, for instance.) In fact, maybe you could view this as a "GOOD" break; maybe Bray has said "okay, stop throwing us out there against just everybody for no reason" and maybe somebody actually listened! (I seriously doubt this, but stranger things have happened, and it seems like he's got some 'say' over how the Wyatt Family is portrayed.)

Until Bray gets repackaged as Wyatt "Sparky" Plugg, I'm not going to hit the panic button. It's no good trying to figure out what's going on "in the mind of the WWE".

[Edited on 9-25-2014 by Count Zero]


Count Zero - 9-25-2014 at 05:13 PM

[stupid me hit quote instead of edit. ignore this space. ugh.]

[Edited on 9-25-2014 by Count Zero]


denverpunk - 9-25-2014 at 08:54 PM

It's not that I've necessarily decided that he's being buried- I just find it a little strange that he's been seemingly absent lately. It's very possible they're saving him for something cool, and I hope that's the case.


mark markham - 9-26-2014 at 12:34 AM

They should have let Bray take out Jericho. Although he won the feud, it doesn't seem like he came out much for the better.

Speaking of making guys better. I think they are wasting Brock Lesnar right now. They could have made a new star or reestablished a stale guy in a match with Brock at NOC, and gotten exactly where we are today. If they had it in there minds that Brock retains via DQ and that a looming match with Cena will come in at Hell in the Cell..why not let Caesaro or Ambrose get a lucky shot at Brock? Brock dominates but this guy, whoever he may be, makes the big comeback in the end only to have Rollins screw him over...then before Rollins gets the pin--out of nowhere Cena appears and breaks up the cash in just as he did. This would have been Cena's first appearance since Summer Slam. Nobody would no what was up with Cena. People would wonder where his mind was at. Then you make his comeback lead up to Hell in the Cell...the guy who got screwed out of the title has a ready feud with Rollins. It makes things more tidy. If they aren't doing "real" PPVs anymore they should be able to do more risky things like this and not expect much backlash. Something good might come out of it. On the other hand we got what we got instead and we're looking at Brock vs. Cena three. I just don't see how this is helpful for anyone on the roster who isn't named John Cena.


Dominator - 9-28-2014 at 03:44 PM

I thought, and still think the only way that finish made sense was if you addes Rollins, and ostensibly Ambrose, and made it a 4way title match at HIAC. So many cool possibilities could come out of it and it'd be a ripper match.